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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 04:26:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Halkin
Originally by: Xendie
there has been E-R members doing it CJ, i had one of them on fraps also.
then there was alot of other people in the E-U alliance that does it constantly and i mean constantly.
also -TCA- alliance that E-R had down to help out did it, CDC does it repetedly, Pure has done it 4-5 times and now D2 also.
what amazes me is that everytime we go through the same gate none of us and i mean nobody in our corp has ever crashed and disconnected at that gate.
amazing isnt it?, whats the statistical propability for that?
and no i dont have any of the 145gb fraps left that i have collected in BWF, ive had a total computer breakdown where my motherboard was on fire.
funny as it looked it was not so funny as i have to buy new stuff, hence why i havent been to bwf the last week.
this crap comp cant take the load of pvp action.
ordered new stuff so ill be out there shooting you soon enough again.
Who cares about your personal problem, I dont give a rats ass. Fact: your 'fraps' got fried. so prove it or lose your rep and go down as a liar
your whole attitude seems abit "ooh they almost got me busted but i got away with it"
im sure there will be more opportunities for me to fraps you logging off.
as for my reputation you cannot even come near my level of reputation for fair play and never bull****.
i have never seen you stand up against exploiting and metagaming in this community.
and i can understand that you dont give a rats ass about someones personal problems, you seem to have so many already.
been to the shrink lately for that temper of yours?
i merely stated the reason for me not having any fraps left and wich is also the reason for me not being over there atm shooting at you 23/7.
and i dont have any reason to lie either as the occurance of CTRL+Q in your alliance can not have gone unnoticed as you even instructed your alliance to stay clear of BWF multiple times due to us being there.
and as soon as i get my new computer i will be back there again to shoot at you.
and this time i will be able to run fraps even better with my hardware upgrade.
you better get that temper looked at by a proffessional before the real christmas season kicks in, wouldnt want your top to blow at a mall somewhere and get you arrested would we?
have a nice day overreacting E-R member.
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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oodin
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.20 04:35:00 -
[62]
wtf is metagaming? 
no pc skills \o/
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oodin
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.20 04:37:00 -
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but xendie you have to agree that these are some serious accusatiopns you made against e-r and since you cant back it up with proof then those accusation has no place on here.
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Crimsonjade
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 04:38:00 -
[64]
Originally by: oodin
Edited by: oodin on 20/11/2006 04:16:37
i see the sig has changed from e-r to e-u.tnx..any chance you can put this in ( not e-r,they rock) 
all post are my opinion and do not reflect the veiws of my Beloved emporer. and the voices in his head dont like you guys anymore 
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Halkin
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.20 05:14:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Halkin
Originally by: Xendie
there has been E-R members doing it CJ, i had one of them on fraps also.
then there was alot of other people in the E-U alliance that does it constantly and i mean constantly.
also -TCA- alliance that E-R had down to help out did it, CDC does it repetedly, Pure has done it 4-5 times and now D2 also.
what amazes me is that everytime we go through the same gate none of us and i mean nobody in our corp has ever crashed and disconnected at that gate.
amazing isnt it?, whats the statistical propability for that?
and no i dont have any of the 145gb fraps left that i have collected in BWF, ive had a total computer breakdown where my motherboard was on fire.
funny as it looked it was not so funny as i have to buy new stuff, hence why i havent been to bwf the last week.
this crap comp cant take the load of pvp action.
ordered new stuff so ill be out there shooting you soon enough again.
Who cares about your personal problem, I dont give a rats ass. Fact: your 'fraps' got fried. so prove it or lose your rep and go down as a liar
your whole attitude seems abit "ooh they almost got me busted but i got away with it"
im sure there will be more opportunities for me to fraps you logging off.
as for my reputation you cannot even come near my level of reputation for fair play and never bull****.
i have never seen you stand up against exploiting and metagaming in this community.
and i can understand that you dont give a rats ass about someones personal problems, you seem to have so many already.
been to the shrink lately for that temper of yours?
i merely stated the reason for me not having any fraps left and wich is also the reason for me not being over there atm shooting at you 23/7.
and i dont have any reason to lie either as the occurance of CTRL+Q in your alliance can not have gone unnoticed as you even instructed your alliance to stay clear of BWF multiple times due to us being there.
and as soon as i get my new computer i will be back there again to shoot at you.
and this time i will be able to run fraps even better with my hardware upgrade.
you better get that temper looked at by a proffessional before the real christmas season kicks in, wouldnt want your top to blow at a mall somewhere and get you arrested would we?
have a nice day overreacting E-R member.
I can say for fact i havent engaged a member of F-E for over 1.5 years, going back to when I first went through p3e. So by the power of Sherlock you again are a liar. How can you shoot me when I havent even seen you? You are no more than a clinker on the ass of a chokepoint, plain and simple.
As for the shrink, its time for your ego to pay a visit.
Originally by: Hygelac
"There's three sides to every story, your side, our side and the Truth!"
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Kai'Lee
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.11.20 05:36:00 -
[66]
I found Xendie for you
2006.11.20 05:30
The scumsucker is located at Bawilan V - Republic Security Services Assembly Plant station in the Bawilan system
of the Wyllequet constellation.
With regards,
lol, an ebil f-e pirate sat in a cluster of .5's in gallente space. and maybe even 20+ jumps from bwf lmao. pew pew indeed
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 05:48:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Kai'Lee
I found Xendie for you
2006.11.20 05:30
The scumsucker is located at Bawilan V - Republic Security Services Assembly Plant station in the Bawilan system
of the Wyllequet constellation.
With regards,
lol, an ebil f-e pirate sat in a cluster of .5's in gallente space. and maybe even 20+ jumps from bwf lmao. pew pew indeed
wow im impressed, you wasted isk on finding out where my character was amazing.
and then to have no balls you post with a alt, priceless.
doing pvp on a crappy computer that gives you on a good day between 5-15 fps is not good.
cya when i get my new kit up and running.
you have your hands full already with the other guys in F-E anyway.
to Oodin, i did have proof, not anymore as i said my comp burned up a week ago.
if you doubt me ever having any proof of anything just go look at the thread named cans and count the number of cans in the screenie after all of D2 and E-U alliance claiming it was only 3-4 cans
i do document as much as i can when i can but this time the harddrive that the fraps was on died together with the mobo, processor and graphicscard.
if you choose to believe it or not is not my problem, im sure that there will be more opportunitys to document more.
and im sure that the other guys in F-E will start to document every occurance also.
i was planning on releasing a vid called ctrl+q as almost all that 145gb fraps i had was of ctrl+q's.
but with the amount of ctrl+q in bwf im sure ill have 200gb more in notime as soon as i get it going again.
and to that nutter from E-R with a need for a shrink, when i said you i ment E-R and E-U alliance, did that make your inflated extremety ontop loose air?
btw.. why is it that you have never been shooting at or been shot by us?, ctrl+q at the first sight of one coming into local?
good night ladies, sleep well.
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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CamMan
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.20 06:12:00 -
[68]
Originally by: DangermanUK
Well if people genuinely CTD its usually down to a loss of Internet service, power failure or crash. It is not always possible recover form this in 20 minutes. My ISP lost service in my area for several hours once.....is it my fault? No. Do I deserve to lose a ship in that instance? No. Quite frankly there is no easy answer to this so-called exploit.
So you are telling me that ISPs or power failures occur at exactly the time you warp through a gate with hostiles on the other side? or exactly at that point in combat when you know you are losing?
i support 15 minute timers for everyone whether they are agressed or not. Leave them at 1 000 000km. people that ctrl+q deserve to die and get podded. People that genuinely crash in a hostile situation will log back in before a cov ops probes them down. People that just so happen to lose power in a hostile situation, well bad luck, but you cant blame CCP for your power company or ISP.
Originally by: Bender
Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.20 07:28:00 -
[69]
I think that Ctrol-Q should bring up a menu that ask, "Are you Sure you want to Quit(y/n)" WIth the default as No. So the person must either move the mouse or use a 2 key combination for it to work.
This process means they will general be caught.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.20 07:36:00 -
[70]
How about force the client not to quit unless Esc + Exit Game button is pressed. And when that happens the client sends a signal to the server that says 'Manual Client Termination' and the server decides it wasn't a crash and leaves the ship AND pod in space.
If the client is killed by Windows Task Manager, have the client log that also as an MCT.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
"It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar." |
Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.11.20 08:04:00 -
[71]
some ppl just dont like loosing stuff then there are the kiddings if they dont get insta ganks and have to work hard for their kills they whine complain and whinge
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.20 09:12:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Miss Overlord
some ppl just dont like loosing stuff then there are the kiddings if they dont get insta ganks and have to work hard for their kills they whine complain and whinge
Nobody likes losing stuff, but people should use their brains to avoid losing stuff and not Ctrl-Q. I'd like to know how you can 'work hard' to catch loggers. I don't see any whining going on.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
"It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar." |
Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
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Posted - 2006.11.20 09:14:00 -
[73]
oh hey i never log out if im going to die i die - teaches me to be stupid otherwise ( check youre map etc etc u can avoid being ganked most of the time) CCP are removing the log out timer and boosting it to 30 minutes which is great.
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Admiral Hayes
Caldari
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.20 09:18:00 -
[74]
/signed
having same problem whit hostiles doing this ****
/pod whit no clone i under stand
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Kharak'khan
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 11:23:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Kharak''khan on 20/11/2006 11:29:42
In reply to E-R my signature was wrong i thought E-R was the alliance when this was made it is actually E-U i have changed it apologies to those distressed.
I will look through my list of names after work and see if i have any E-R caught on fraps if i do i will contact dellie or one of the other E-R bosses. I wasnt after a flame war but if this is seen by the people in question maybe they will realise that Ctrl-Q out of bubbles etc is not acceptable and we have started to "try" and fraps it when it happens.
If your alliance are prone to it then it tarnishes everyone who is in space with them under that banner. And i have no respect for liars but screenshots are rubbish for showing logging fraps is the only way. Also that some people post or try to incite flames with alts is sad :(
We all know it happens and it is annoying with bubbles on the gate watching several E-U (they were mining biatches at the time) logged out on jump in.
But this is still way offtopic of a proposal to prevent it from happening. Maybe a 15 mins or 10 mins timer but a longer warp so 3au probes cant be used, and its so true eve is a game the loss of a 3d model is nothing in reality. Most real CTDs i have (like one i suffered in Oij last night) do not stop you from logging in within several minutes, hardware failure/isp is hard luck but normally when eve goes down the server goes down. Also if you feel hard-done by send proof and get the ship reimbursed, it takes time but wallet loss is minimal and the kill mail is still there for the aggressing party.
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Quineverre
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Posted - 2006.11.20 11:31:00 -
[76]
Al the suggestions given to make the server see if the client was killed by the player or by its system will fail if the player just pushes the on/off button on his computer or even jerks out the powercord.
As a carebear I even agree its a sad tactic but I dont see how you can stop it.
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Awox
Finite Horizon
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:02:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Quineverre
Al the suggestions given to make the server see if the client was killed by the player or by its system will fail if the player just pushes the on/off button on his computer or even jerks out the powercord.
As a carebear I even agree its a sad tactic but I dont see how you can stop it.
That's because you don't want to see. Here's how you stop it: Stop trying to emergancy warp people if they crash. You lost a ship because you crashed? So what. Petition it..
Annoying CCP hide behind this "we don't want to penalize valid CTDs".. fact of the matter is CTD on jump-ins usually log back in anyway and CTD in combat almost always results in ship destruction anyways so CCP just need to get rid of emergancy warps.
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Quineverre
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:30:00 -
[78]
Personally I would consider that a bad solution for two reasons:
1. It would lead to tons of petitions and probably to a new backlog of weeks
2. It would punish those that actually loose connection for they loose a ship not due to their player skills or lack thereoff but due to their system, their ISP's system or CCP's system.
Living with it is the only option I think. Its a pathetic childish tactic but it aint the only pathetic childish tactic in Eve. We live with most the others and complain about few or we only complain about those that do not suit our style of play and hush up about te others.
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:38:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Bill Shankly on 20/11/2006 13:38:01
we need to stop people logging out ?
lol
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Flyyn
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:47:00 -
[80]
If it is your right to attack anyone you so chose, then dont complain about their right to shut down the game when they chose.
I know its lame, and alot concider it an exploit, but you dont pay their monthly dues. If they decide to leave the game, be it in a middle of a fight, yeah its lame, but its their right.
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KingKenny
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:47:00 -
[81]
I for one would use this to save my ship/cargo/pod/implants.
Whilst I agree its lame its just as lame as the tactics employed by many sniper pirates (the OP being one of them) to avoid sentry fire by sitting just outside sentry range.
Of course getting up close and personnel to lock me down quick means taking fire from the sentrys.
Lame pirates and lame carebears. IF CCP wanted to they could fix both issues but it would appear they don't want to thus the situation continues.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.11.20 14:09:00 -
[82]
If we just keep giving lamer campers whatever they whine for, what do you think the most ludicrous thing is that you think they could come up with?
A big frickin magnet and a keyboard and mouse disabler for the opponent?
Registration of gate camps, and nobody is allowed through a gate until all the registered campers are in place, and wearing "I'm not lame, I'm UUUUUUBER!" badges?
Come on people, what level of lame patheticness do you think they can stoop to before the Eve community turns round and says "Oh yeah... camping is lame after all, why on earth did we ever decide it was uber?"
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Kharak'khan
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 14:15:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Kharak''khan on 20/11/2006 14:16:21
I agree there are plenty of lame tactics in eve, but during all my pirate days and pvping ive never seen the problem so bad. Ive had people (new normally) do it in belts but i accept it better! a noob who is paniced and has been told it will save him rather than a several year old char spouting he is uber! then logging when we have finally pinned his safe down.
CCP could address these issues or at least trial fixes, even if its on the test server initially to see how it works out.I noticed someone complaing about sniping (lame :?), It only happens to counter sentries in low sec etc, You can kill a sniper with an organised grouph (but thats off topic).
If it is your right to attack anyone you so chose, then dont complain about their right to shut down the game when they chose.
Flyn to be honest dont come into a dangerous area if you have this poor attitude!
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.11.20 14:22:00 -
[84]
Originally by: DangermanUK
Well if people genuinely CTD its usually down to a loss of Internet service, power failure or crash. It is not always possible recover form this in 20 minutes. My ISP lost service in my area for several hours once.....is it my fault? No. Do I deserve to lose a ship in that instance? No. Quite frankly there is no easy answer to this so-called exploit.
I would be perfectly willing to put up with a ship loss every once in a while from the few acctual long-term disconnects you get when it means getting kills on all those people who just log.
Logging in space should never be safe IMO, that entire mechanic is total WoW bohoo I don't want to lose stuff crap, and quess what, it's exploited more often then it helps you.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.11.20 14:24:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Gaven Blands on 20/11/2006 14:25:12
I'd rather see CCP fixing the reasons behind doing log off rather than fixing log off itself. Sadly, the majority view is that giving people no option but logoff* is UUUBER, and to take logoff away from them nearly completes the Circle Of Eve.
All that is then required is a device to forcibly log accounts in. And then forcibly warp them from wherever they are to your camped gate. Jackpot. The circle is complete, and the uberness becomes a beautiful synergy of Unity and Infinity.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Kharak'khan
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 14:52:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Gaven Blands
Edited by: Gaven Blands on 20/11/2006 14:25:12
I'd rather see CCP fixing the reasons behind doing log off rather than fixing log off itself. Sadly, the majority view is that giving people no option but logoff* is UUUBER, and to take logoff away from them nearly completes the Circle Of Eve.
All that is then required is a device to forcibly log accounts in. And then forcibly warp them from wherever they are to your camped gate. Jackpot. The circle is complete, and the uberness becomes a beautiful synergy of Unity and Infinity.
Firstly if this is your main how much experiance have you had with the problem in question in 25 days. If this is your ALT use your main rather than adding useless dribble whilst hiding your true identity. The logoff (rip your network out of the wall) ctrl-q whatever they do is a fault! Why should people with this simple and effective method avoid your 0.0 gatecamp or other pvp trap laid out when you have been waiting for hours etc. Im sure most experianced PVP have had this happen at some point, Its annoying frustrating and could be fixed.
Why should people log out in space at all and dissapear?????.
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Mira deVorsha
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:16:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Quantum Joe
Mine some Veldspar, refine the tritanium, build a bridge and get over it!
ROFLMAO....
Seriously though.
This whole ctrl-Q issue is never going to be fixed on the client. There are just too many ways to circumvent the client to fake a crash and thereby leaving.
So it needs a server change, however there are ways to crash other players so any change would have to take that into account. In fact losses to crashes are more likely to annoy a player then anything else.
It becomes an issue of lowering support calls as well then.
So now how do you resolve it? Well here is a suggestion.
(first condition sets it)
You are the aggressor or stole a can = Delay on logging.
.5 or greater space = log out as normal.
In system owned by your corp = log out as normal.
In system where corp is hostile to you = delay on logging (based on how hostile).
.4 space or lower and no other condition met = log out as normal.
Would need tweaking but would mean more planning and a somewhat level of fairness.
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Becham
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:20:00 -
[88]
I really don't get the CTRL-Q thing. I mean honestly, it's just a pixel ship and pixel cargo. Why rob yourself of the thrill of getting away legit?
I got impatient hanging around empire and decided to run the gauntlet at EC (a hot zone into northern 0.0 space if you didn't know) last night in a freighter without instants, no warp stab, and an expensive (for a noob) load of blueprints and ship mods. All I had fitted besides cargo expanders was a 10mn after burner and a medium shield booster. Pretty stupid risk I know, but sometimes you have to take a chance in a game.
I got through the camp by some miracle, but my ship was shot to hell - all armor gone, down to about 300 structure. I got through the warp and chugged the last 10k km toward the jump gate, willing my ship to make it to the gate. The campers were in hot pursuit, I guess not knowing which gate I went for, finally warped in to the right gate with me at 3500 KM. I made the jump, then managed to put some distance between me and them.
That was some thrilling drama for me. Much more thrilling than it could ever be just hitting Ctrl Q as soon as you spot a hostile and then playing games with logging on and off to try and get away.
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xenorx
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:24:00 -
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This issue goes far beyond what one alliance may or may not have done. Who cares really. Its an issue all over EVE now, not just one alliance or other.
CCP put in the 15 minute aggro timer to help counter loggers in the first place. It did help for a while until the loggers realized they could just log before they got aggro'd to get around it. As long as they log while still cloaked they are immune. They just emergancy warp away and disapear.
You could have a fleet of insta locking intercepters there and throw 100 points of scramble on a target that logs off while cloaked and it would not matter.
The same problem exists for the interdictor bubble. You can drop a bubble and have the target inside it and regardless of whether they are aggro'd or not they log and warp.
I get amazed at the silly number of ppl who dont call this an exploit. Clearly, ppl are using a known game mechanic in an unintended way for personal gain. That is the very definition of an exploit IMO.
The simple solution to the problem is to remove the emergency warp when aggro'd or inside a bubble. Make the bubble a form of aggression in it self so the 15 minute timer applies as well. This would solve 99.9% of the logging problem and the few who die to a legit CTD are acceptable losses as far as I am concerned.
No one can hear you scream in space, so just shut up and die already. |
Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:30:00 -
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IMHO, the logout is lame. They should just change the game so that if you log out, you're still right there where you were.
When the ship decloaks (per normal), there you are, still a target.
At the same time, I think that people who sit around gates all day long, putting bubbles on them and zapping every ship that comes through the gate need to get a life.
Every once in a while, to test a gate, I'll send an alt in a shuttle through. Sure enough, five or six ships will open up simultaneously on a shuttle trapped in a bubble.
They have enough people to be able to keep that up 24/7 - that's got to be as boring as mining veldspar.
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