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Kharak'khan Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:25:00 - [1] Edited by: Kharak''khan on 19/11/2006 20:27:05 I can understand people warping to saftey in crashes but the continual use of control-q/logging when jumping into bubbles etc makes me sick. An example is just now i scan an astarte. I warp to his spot he logs before i get into scramble range with my recon ship so i move in a wait. 20 mins later he logs on warps in again im now waiting with a stabber. He comes out of warp sees the stabber and logs again! We now have him scrambled but obviously cant deal enough damage before he dissapears within a few seconds. As we didnt aggress before he pressed CTRL-Q he basically exploited and escaped poor tactics from a poor pilot!!! Im asking please Devs you need a way to fix this exploit rubbish or should accept it happens, and penalise players who do this, PVP pilots must find this allover the Eve your thoughs please!.
C Duggan Gallente Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:47:00 - [2] Edited by: C Duggan on 19/11/2006 20:48:34 simmilar thing happened to me and some friends a week or two ago, we were camping in low sec, 2 bs and a command ship sitting on gate, our scout sees a freighter come to gate and jump. we engage, scram, web, drones, the works, we get him to around about 1/4 armour before he warps off to a random spot, he'd logged :( oh well, cowards will be cowards. oh, sorry, no, people will use the games mechanics to their advantage. so we get a covert to come and probe, shouldnt be a problem, we can easily find and kill him before his agro timer runs out. and we would then probe down the pod and kill that, we would have ranosmed him, but now we will just kill him, same difference to me, freighter looks nice on the kb but the word came back from the prober, "i cant find him, hes not on scanner" "you did shoot him, right?" it took a few seconds for the first of us to realise what happened, the "user of game mechanics" had logged as soon as he saw us, before he had decloaked. this ment that any damage we did was done after he logged, and thus didnt agro him. dont quite know what to do about that tbh, lucky him we didnt have a gank force that could have killed him before he warped, and i understand that ppl do crash, and that isnt their fault. imho, everyone should have 20 minute timer untill they vanish in space, but they should warp to a point >12au from any point, so that they can be probed, but it would take several minutes. people who genuinely CTD, will log back on before they get found, people who decide "im gonna fly my freighter, without a scout, or support, through low sec space, and reap the rewards of the shorter trade route, adn if i get caught, ill just log," will be catchable and killable. much fiarer i feel. _________________________________________ 2/3 of the earth is covered in water...please stop crying.....I cant swim!!!!
Kharak'khan Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:57:00 - [3] I totally agree with the long warp bit +12 au, then you will have several minutes to re-log which is possible in genuine cases! Warp Bubbles from interdictors/anchored! Should also class as some sort of aggression when they log so the target dosnt just warp and disappear!
Kai'Lee Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Kharak'khan I totally agree with the long warp bit +12 au, then you will have several minutes to re-log which is possible in genuine cases! Warp Bubbles from interdictors/anchored! Should also class as some sort of aggression when they log so the target dosnt just warp and disappear! how about a forced change of ship name to "I crtl + Q'd at gate" if they hit the buttons within 30 secs of jumping (decloak time i think). make it last a day or three, that should do it :) never gonna happen i know but would be cool
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Kharak'khan waa waa, someone got away .... nerf themm ..... NERFF THEMMMMMM!!!!!! tough, cry some more .
Kharak'khan Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Radioactive Babe Originally by: Kharak'khan waa waa, someone got away .... nerf themm ..... NERFF THEMMMMMM!!!!!! tough, cry some more . By your response, Im sure you may be one of the people who use this poor tactic! Constructive please. Not just Alt flames
DangermanUK	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:25:00 - [7] Quote: imho, everyone should have 20 minute timer untill they vanish in space, but they should warp to a point >12au from any point, so that they can be probed, but it would take several minutes. people who genuinely CTD, will log back on before they get found, people who decide "im gonna fly my freighter, without a scout, or support, through low sec space, and reap the rewards of the shorter trade route, adn if i get caught, ill just log," will be catchable and killable. much fiarer i feel. Well if people genuinely CTD its usually down to a loss of Internet service, power failure or crash. It is not always possible recover form this in 20 minutes. My ISP lost service in my area for several hours once.....is it my fault? No. Do I deserve to lose a ship in that instance? No. Quite frankly there is no easy answer to this so-called exploit.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:33:00 - [8] Originally by: DangermanUK Quote: imho, everyone should have 20 minute timer untill they vanish in space, but they should warp to a point >12au from any point, so that they can be probed, but it would take several minutes. people who genuinely CTD, will log back on before they get found, people who decide "im gonna fly my freighter, without a scout, or support, through low sec space, and reap the rewards of the shorter trade route, adn if i get caught, ill just log," will be catchable and killable. much fiarer i feel. Well if people genuinely CTD its usually down to a loss of Internet service, power failure or crash. It is not always possible recover form this in 20 minutes. My ISP lost service in my area for several hours once.....is it my fault? No. Do I deserve to lose a ship in that instance? No. Quite frankly there is no easy answer to this so-called exploit. well .. if you expect to get rid of the exploit without harming people with genuine computer/network problems .. i have to say - good luck. there will be everytime some people who will lose their ships due to anti-exploit game mechanics. to the OP - i am the same opinion like you ... one thing though - stop bull****ing in your signature ... if you see someone from E-R/E-U using this exploit - write a mail to Alphamarine or one of the directors (and better add some proof like screens/fraps to react efficiently) they will deal with the person in question. and don't forget - our residents are NOT E-R/E-U ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Kharak'khan Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:41:00 - [9] Well we got him when he finally logged back in sensor boosters a pilgrim and scramble! :) And he even admit it in local look to image!
Crimsonjade Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:44:00 - [10] look ma im IBTL and flamage
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Kharak'khan By your response, Im sure you may be one of the people who use this poor tactic! Constructive please. Not just Alt flames Nope I do not use this tactic, but when someone with a -10 standing comes on here crying it just means that they didnt get that epeen extension they were looking for <nelson>ha, ha</nelson>
Kharak'khan Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:49:00 - [12] There was no crying i was posting a point whilst patiently waiting for the guy to log on again with a modified setup! He even had his alliance check i was alone. He is dead and shamed, His lesson learnt i hope. And let all of the people who do it know i fraps and screenshot!
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Kharak'khan And let all of the people who do it know i fraps and screenshot! then it shouldn't be much of a problem to send our CEO those fraps/screens .. so far i only saw accusations by you (in your sig, in the posted screen of the chat-log, in other threads on E-O) - but not one piece of proof to back it up. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:00:00 - [14] If you're scrambled, you should never warp off. The timer should start when you're unscrambled. Simple as. (No, that dosn't fix SOME of the ways peole abuse logging off, BUT it will fix quite a few of them and there are very very few possible counter-arguments you can make!) //Maya
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:01:00 - [15] OMG! even D2 has sunk that low? i thought atleast they were above that kind of lameness. i knew that E-R and hangarounds does the "ctrl+q" alot but apparently it is contagious to everyone that works with E-R and hangarounds. ive seen astral wolves, CDC, PURE do it also. its amazing how many ppl that actually "gets disconnected" when they see that F-E is the ones on the gate and not their alliance mates. silly ppl. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
oodin Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:01:00 - [16] we ask for proof that e-r/e-u does it since thats in your sig and you post some d2 guy statement.wtf
Kharak'khan Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:04:00 - [17] Well ive obviously hit a nerve there and there have been several complaints from and by our CEO, to do with the E-U alliance. Im not about to start smack/flame on forums and this is not ontopic with my original post.
Kai'Lee Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Kharak'khan There was no crying i was posting a point whilst patiently waiting for the guy to log on again with a modified setup! He even had his alliance check i was alone. He is dead and shamed, His lesson learnt i hope. And let all of the people who do it know i fraps and screenshot! all i have to say is.... (after looking at the screenie) did yuo get the pod?
Kai'Lee Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Xendie ...when they see that F-E is the ones on the gate and not their alliance mates if no one else loves you you gotta love yourself right?
Kharak'khan Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:09:00 - [20] No the guy was aligned and warped and our interdictor was elsewhere. So fair play to the guy :)
oodin Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:13:00 - [21] well i can only speak for myself.i have never and will never log in combat!!.the day i do is the day i leave eve.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Kai'Lee Originally by: Xendie ...when they see that F-E is the ones on the gate and not their alliance mates if no one else loves you you gotta love yourself right? No idea, I'll bow to your superior knowledge on that one. But seriously, instead of "we don't do it", let's hear some support for measures to counter it being POSSIBLE. //Maya
Kai'Lee Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Kai'Lee Originally by: Xendie ...when they see that F-E is the ones on the gate and not their alliance mates if no one else loves you you gotta love yourself right? No idea, I'll bow to your superior knowledge on that one. But seriously, instead of "we don't do it", let's hear some support for measures to counter it being POSSIBLE. probaly isnt a way around it. i noticed a while ago that in game logs a note is written to say that the game was quit, so in that case the doesnt start to warp for maybe 30 secs. this wouldnt affect ppl in station (obviously) and if your safe is semi cool and you've checked for probes you are also good to go. taken from logs folder, history.txt 2006.11.19 22:21:52SHUTDOWN [1236]User requesting close Service alert : 0.000 sec surely the client can make the server aware it was an intentional shutdown if it writes this to my hd still wouldnt stop ppl turing off their whole machine or unplugging the internet connect, which really wouldnt suprise me
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:33:00 - [24] Kai'Lee, re-read my first post: I'm proposing that if you're warp scrambled, you never warp away, even if you log. //Maya
Kai'Lee Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Maya Rkell Kai'Lee, re-read my first post: I'm proposing that if you're warp scrambled, you never warp away, even if you log. tbh i generally skip right over what you post, a habit i acquired over time to keep the wheat from the chaff so to speak. but yeh i see what you said now, and you are correct. in all honesty i didnt think it was possible and it shouldnt be.
oodin Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:43:00 - [26] make it impossible to log within the grid of celestial objects.(stations/gates/planets/bla bla) logging is lame and i would be VERY VERY surprised to see any e-r member doing it tbh.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:50:00 - [27] Originally by: oodin make it impossible to log within the grid of celestial objects.(stations/gates/planets/bla bla) logging is lame and i would be VERY VERY surprised to see any e-r member doing it tbh. respect for you saying its lame. but there has been multiple instances where E-U alliance has done this and not just once or twice, more like 3-4 a day. and on a busy day its more like 6-8. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Kai'Lee Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: oodin make it impossible to log within the grid of celestial objects.(stations/gates/planets/bla bla) logging is lame and i would be VERY VERY surprised to see any e-r member doing it tbh. respect for you saying its lame. but there has been multiple instances where E-U alliance has done this and not just once or twice, more like 3-4 a day. and on a busy day its more like 6-8. i sense some ill fealing here between you lot, so lets see the proof once and for all and have done with it?
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Kharak'khan Edited by: Kharak''khan on 19/11/2006 20:27:05 I can understand people warping to saftey in crashes but the continual use of control-q/logging when jumping into bubbles etc makes me sick. An example is just now i scan an astarte. I warp to his spot he logs before i get into scramble range with my recon ship so i move in a wait. 20 mins later he logs on warps in again im now waiting with a stabber. He comes out of warp sees the stabber and logs again! We now have him scrambled but obviously cant deal enough damage before he dissapears within a few seconds. As we didnt aggress before he pressed CTRL-Q he basically exploited and escaped poor tactics from a poor pilot!!! Im asking please Devs you need a way to fix this exploit rubbish or should accept it happens, and penalise players who do this, PVP pilots must find this allover the Eve your thoughs please!. Hey guess what? There's absolutely nothing CCP can do about it. The problem of control Q goes even deeper that I think you realise judging by your post. All the changes suggested so far can be circumvented. Any ship that can tank for more than 30 seconds is effectively immune to destruction if the pilot knows how to exploit the game. He can even shoot you first and make his escape. It sucks. The problem isnt really CCP, its that there are alot of babies playing this game, who can't seem to play things in the spirit it was intended if that means losing their imaginary spaceship. I agree its totally pathetic, but unfortunatley I don't see a solution in the short term. The only people the most obvious changes will hurt are those people who are genuinely crashing out, as opposed to those willing to stoop to any level to save their ship.
oodin Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: oodin make it impossible to log within the grid of celestial objects.(stations/gates/planets/bla bla) logging is lame and i would be VERY VERY surprised to see any e-r member doing it tbh. respect for you saying its lame. but there has been multiple instances where E-U alliance has done this and not just once or twice, more like 3-4 a day. and on a busy day its more like 6-8. well i cant speak for my alliance.if they log or not i feel is up to you to prove,but i do feel i can speak for e-r after flying with them some months now. and i can say for sure that e-r is a good bunch of guys out to have some good fights and some good fun.no logging/exploiting or any crap like that.

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