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Erin brooklin
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Posted - 2006.11.20 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Erin brooklin on 20/11/2006 01:53:14
Hey, I need a setup for the Moros dread designed specificaly for large scale fleet combat, I need a setup that can do damage to BSs and still be able to make its escape if things get hairy.
Im heavily Drone specialized so the Moros is an obvious choice for me however the 60km maximun range is realy going to be a problem in epic sized confrontations. Is it worth sacrificing a precious highslot for a drone link augumentor?
Here is a Posible setup(remember I have fleet combat in mind not POS ganking)
Highs:
2x Drone link Augumentor
1x Seige mod
1x dual 1000mms/siege ions
Meds:
1x drone navigation computer
1x sensor booster II
2x cap recharger II
lows:
1x capital rep
2x (named) thermic armor hardener
2x (named)explosive armor hardener
1x (named) kinetic armor hardener
1x (named) EM armor hardener
and of course a full set of TEC 2 heavy drones
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Benglada
Finite Horizon
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.20 02:02:00 -
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Give me your moros. NOW.
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 Originally by: Arkanor
0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
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nexvis
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Posted - 2006.11.20 02:03:00 -
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My god.
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Erin brooklin
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Posted - 2006.11.20 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: nexvis
My god.
er.. ok im guessing its not the greatest setup then. Thats why Im asking on here before I take this baby into combat 
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.11.20 02:22:00 -
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W T F 
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.20 02:34:00 -
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Let me see if I can set him straight guys.
I think what they're saying is the moros is too slow and inflexible to "make" any kind of escape, or even make a weak attempt at escaping.
...and that secondly youre not going hit hit jack with that gun that isnt triple webbed.
...and long range drones in a fleet are a joke
...and "seige mod" and "escape" do not belong in the same post together.
...and so if you just want a "fleet" drone platform you should use an ishtar
...and as we said, long range drones are a joke.
...so fugettaboutit.
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Erin brooklin
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Posted - 2006.11.20 02:49:00 -
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Well thats realy put a downer on things, if long range drones arnt an option and XL guns wont hit stuff unless heavily webbed is there even such a thing as a decent fleet combat dreadnaught?
Hmm Maybe I should just go with a carrier...
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Raivi
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2006.11.20 02:52:00 -
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Unfortunetly trying to find a good fleet combat Dread setup is like trying to find a good tackling setup for a battlecruiser. The ship was never designed for that role so there's almost no chance it'll work better than a BS.
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Lienzo
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Posted - 2006.11.20 03:44:00 -
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Edited by: Lienzo on 20/11/2006 03:45:01
Outside of seige mode, you only get about half the dps of a typical fleet mega with a maxed fit with your primary weapons. More likely you get about 1/5th damage of 425s with top skills with a normal dread tank.
This move was to discourage large alliances from "upgrading" their primary long-range fleets.
For close skirmish weapons, a Moros fleet is somewhat formidible, if relatively immobile.
Locktime advantage is all thats needed for more nimble fleets to pwn you though, close or long range. You're better off with a Carrier, but then again probably not.
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Crellion
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 20/11/2006 03:56:53
The Moros can be very usefull in particular situations but if you judge the situation wrongly it will be a very bad day for you...Weird strategies I have seen working include:
1) Undock a Moros on a small camp (say 20 BS and support) station, pop Valkyries (I think it was), pop suport, undock the rest of your gang, deagress, redock, rest fight enemy BSs and can warp out since support is popped (10+ support was popped in this experiment in less than two minutes -only need to lock the first rly- and quite a few of the enemy BSs were popped by second undock wave - perpetrator Aeon Yukati, coflict -V- v RA early 2006)
2) Have a Moros engage enemy fleet 10 mins before DT enter siege mode kill a few enemy BS with OgresII then tank until downtime (perpetrator Light Darkness again -v- v RA)
I have some more examples but more recent so would rather not share here in the hope not many peeps are aware...
Note: Numerous attmepts to use Caital blasters while in siege mode against enemy BSs triple webbed by tech I disposable frigs were not entirely unseccesful. Problem is however you cant fill the mids with track comps and tank forever...
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Mang0o
Caldari
Cosmic Fusion
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Posted - 2006.11.20 04:41:00 -
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I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris |
Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.20 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Shardrael on 20/11/2006 04:46:48
I think the moros and the pheonix both show alot of potential to be used in smaller fleets right now, and possibly larger ones come kali, but you are risking a whole hell of alot and you better not enter any situation without knowing fullwell what the enemy has and doesnt have.
sentry drones on a moros might be kind of fun, if they are affected by the moros dmg bonus
but again almost everyone will scream bloody murder at you for trying something unusual like this, I applaud you and hope your testing can develop some new strategies to fleet warfare
edit: one useful bit of info that was touched on here, capital turrets are almost completely useless at hitting anything not anchored, or moving 0m/s so your gonna have to step outside of the traditional point shoot kill method, secondly the officer warp jammers with capital size fittings might be your friend, 40km is nice, and you have to find a way to do something about that locking time.
one last thing, I hope you have alot of disposable income as I would expect to lose a few dreads before I got in any sort of rhythm.
good luck
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.11.20 05:11:00 -
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I have seen one webber on a raven from a moros and that moros almost insta popped the raven (blasters)
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.20 08:35:00 -
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Anything moving at a transversal over 7-8 m/sec won't be hit even by blasters in siege mode. Unless you put 3-4 target painters on where huzzah you can hit BS's going at 20m/sec or so transversal.
Testing using stealth bombers, uncloaking, tripple webbing and painting were mostly unsuccessful as a BS takes too long to decelerate even when tripple webbed.
Yes sentry drones do get the moros damage bonus.... bouncers are your best friend 
The moros is easily the most useful dread to have out of POS sieges.At lvl 4 dread, 5 ogres will kill a moderately tanked BS in 30 seconds or so.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.20 09:53:00 -
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In a way, using dreads in fleet combat is a very cool idea.
Say a drone link aug/railgun setup with wardens and a huginn supporting it by webbing and targetpainting targets.
An awesome idea. You can hit and single volly battleships. Alone. With guns. And the drones can run their own kill list on the side.
But. Unforunetly the dreads are not so durable...
So expect to lose em
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.20 10:03:00 -
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If you were sneaky and slightly insane, you have have a covops get close to the bulk of their fleet and pop cynos for a Moros or preferably multiples of them to pop out of and *****the enemy fleet w/ webs.
That being said, the chances of that working? Close to nil - it'd be **** funny though .
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.11.20 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
But. Unforunetly the dreads are not so durable...
So expect to lose em
Can you say ... +400% hp, +50% cap in kali? ;-)
(= 187500 armor HP before skills)
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Mordorg
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.11.20 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
If you were sneaky and slightly insane, you have have a covops get close to the bulk of their fleet and pop cynos for a Moros or preferably multiples of them to pop out of and *****the enemy fleet w/ webs.
That being said, the chances of that working? Close to nil - it'd be **** funny though .
It would be funny, but its also a good way to lose all those dreads. And you better be 110% sure they don't have more then a couple carriers anywhere that they could get to you in time.
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Auman
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
If you were sneaky and slightly insane, you have have a covops get close to the bulk of their fleet and pop cynos for a Moros or preferably multiples of them to pop out of and *****the enemy fleet w/ webs.
That being said, the chances of that working? Close to nil - it'd be **** funny though .
Not a good idea as you'll enter space with about 35% cap. Moros is a great ship and it's easy to pop, well, anything that attacks you during a siege. I don't think it has a place in fleet combat unfortunately :(
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:51:00 -
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I've seen dreads in general used quite effectively with heavy webber drones. It slows a BS down enough that you _can_ hit them whilst in siege mode. Doesn't work quite so well with a phoenix though, as you still have explosion radius problems.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
If you were sneaky and slightly insane, you have have a covops get close to the bulk of their fleet and pop cynos for a Moros or preferably multiples of them to pop out of and *****the enemy fleet w/ webs.
That being said, the chances of that working? Close to nil - it'd be **** funny though .
Actually the chances are exactly NIL, since you can't put a cloaker and a cyno on the same ship....
You could however warp a cyno ship to the cloaker and hope it didn't die before the jump was initiated.
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StarLite
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:16:00 -
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or just warp the dread in :)
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:33:00 -
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I've heard paragon soul is great place to test dread fleet abilities. 
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Mirasta
Caldari
Enigma Enterprises
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:35:00 -
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3 Large smarties seige mod cap boosters and some kind of uber tank... warp that bad boy in and cash that insurance.
Would be pretty comedy against a support fleet though.
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