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Mandar Amelana
Creative Residual Income and Banking
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Posted - 2015.06.08 00:55:47 -
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So I'm just throwing an idea out there to see where people stand on it.
No doubt many of us have read the article about the Rorqual sabotage.
I'm basing what I'm about to propose off the following quote from the article:
Quote:Rorquals are industrial capital ships, incredibly rare with minimal uses for combatGÇömeaning they are rarely ever vulnerable.
After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about, or perhaps it is just me. It just seems to me that if losing a ship really only happens from gross negligence or extremely elaborate plots like the one highlighted above, it might be good to talk about alternatives (educate me if I'm completely misunderstanding how often Rorqs actually get downed).
So I'm tossing out the following idea, and I encourage you to amend it and flesh it out in whatever direction would make the game better:
Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode. |

Urziel99
Unified Research Zone
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Posted - 2015.06.08 01:17:45 -
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Mandar Amelana wrote:So I'm just throwing an idea out there to see where people stand on it. No doubt many of us have read the article about the Rorqual sabotage. I'm basing what I'm about to propose off the following quote from the article: Quote:Rorquals are industrial capital ships, incredibly rare with minimal uses for combatGÇömeaning they are rarely ever vulnerable. After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about, or perhaps it is just me. It just seems to me that if losing a ship really only happens from gross negligence or extremely elaborate plots like the one highlighted above, it might be good to talk about alternatives (educate me if I'm completely misunderstanding how often Rorqs actually get downed). So I'm tossing out the following idea, and I encourage you to amend it and flesh it out in whatever direction would make the game better: Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode.
Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed. bad idea.
As to the Rorqual. It's primary purpose is to support mining operations with bonuses and mobile compression. only a few are brave/crazy enough to have them in the open, and given their cost and lack of defensive power that is justifiable. |

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.06.08 01:20:40 -
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It's not just industrials, from what I gather from the state of the economy from fanfest last year (think it was that one), it looks more likely any capital outlives any highsec ship by leaps and bounds. With the new ship dirt system thingy going into game, expect to see moving parts to fall off and rust trails behind caps in the near future and forever. Your caps will probably outlive you, literally. |

Mandar Amelana
Creative Residual Income and Banking
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Posted - 2015.06.08 01:21:18 -
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Quote:Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed
How so? They'd have access once the timer expires. |

William Weatherwax
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.06.08 01:27:36 -
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Mandar Amelana wrote: After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about
Considering that Eve is a Sandbox game, can you claim that your assumption on what the game is about is the correct one?
It seems to me as if Rorquals are getting downed quite regularly (https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/) and the article just tried to make the achievement (he had to maintain his cover for many months which I think should count as an achievement itself) look bigger.
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Urziel99
Unified Research Zone
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Posted - 2015.06.08 01:32:58 -
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Mandar Amelana wrote:Quote:Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed How so? They'd have access once the timer expires.
They'd be sitting ducks outside the tower and be unable to reship. In mass evictions the first move is to RF all towers. |

McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
747
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Posted - 2015.06.08 01:35:06 -
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Rorquals are dying at a rate of 20-30 per month. I wouldn't call that a problem considering their role. Camp low sec jump routes systems without stations and you'll find one to kill in a lot less than 9 months.
There are all our dominion
Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
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Mandar Amelana
Creative Residual Income and Banking
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Posted - 2015.06.08 01:38:45 -
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Quote: Rorquals are dying at a rate of 20-30 per month. I wouldn't call that a problem considering their role. Camp low sec jump routes systems without stations and you'll find one to kill in a lot less than 9 months.
Yeah, saw similar figures from the killboard linked above just now. I don't think they were that high, but still at a rate that is far more frequent than I was originally thinking.
Quote:Mandar Amelana wrote: Quote: Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed
How so? They'd have access once the timer expires.
They'd be sitting ducks outside the tower and be unable to reship. In mass evictions the first move is to RF all towers.
What if it were amended so that access was granted but original reinforce timer booted all free floating ships?
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Urziel99
Unified Research Zone
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Posted - 2015.06.08 01:45:22 -
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Mandar Amelana wrote:Quote: Rorquals are dying at a rate of 20-30 per month. I wouldn't call that a problem considering their role. Camp low sec jump routes systems without stations and you'll find one to kill in a lot less than 9 months. Yeah, saw similar figures from the killboard linked above just now. I don't think they were that high, but still at a rate that is far more frequent than I was originally thinking. Quote:Mandar Amelana wrote: Quote: Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed
How so? They'd have access once the timer expires.
They'd be sitting ducks outside the tower and be unable to reship. In mass evictions the first move is to RF all towers. What if it were amended so that access was granted but original reinforce timer booted all free floating ships?
Why are you wanting free kills on pos trash? Kill the stick and then steal/kill the free floating ships. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.06.08 05:09:54 -
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Don't worry about Rorquals, as CCP Fozzie is on the case.
May 1st, 2014.
Any minute now.
As for the ones that were destroyed mining, or with only capital tractor beams fitted:
CCP Fozzie wrote:... you never put it in a belt, because that would be silly. |

Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
218
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Posted - 2015.06.08 05:14:23 -
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The solid gold trampolines are in danger? Why haven't they all been reprocessed yet?
I survived Win95
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
674
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Posted - 2015.06.08 09:04:57 -
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Reading your post, you don't seem like a guy that ever deployed and used a POS
Or shot one for that matter.
You're either trolling or truly out of touch with EVE
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:39:05 -
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This idea is soo farr gone it isn't even stupid anymore, if you're after pos loot/caps, kill the damn stick.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
716
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:47:05 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:This idea is soo farr gone it isn't even stupid anymore, if you're after pos loot/caps, kill the damn stick.
Dear Mr. King-Griffin,
I am writing to you on behalf of my client, the OP of this thread, to inform you that we find your use of logic to be both offensive and heretical. Any further use of said logic may be subject to punitive actions, including, but not limited to, redress in the Imperium Court of Interstellar Law.
Please refrain from using logic in any further posts, so you will not distress my client any more.
Thank you.
Elenahina, Voluntary Thread Lawyer
Disclaimer: The Imperium Court of Interstellar Law does not endorse this post, and may not even exist.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:51:08 -
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Elenahina wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:This idea is soo farr gone it isn't even stupid anymore, if you're after pos loot/caps, kill the damn stick. Dear Mr. King-Griffin, I am writing to you on behalf of my client, the OP of this thread, to inform you that we find your use of logic to be both offensive and heretical. Any further use of said logic may be subject to punitive actions, including, but not limited to, redress in the Imperium Court of Interstellar Law. Please refrain from using logic in any further posts, so you will not distress my client any more. Thank you. Elenahina, Voluntary Thread Lawyer Disclaimer: The Imperium Court of Interstellar Law does not endorse this post, and may not even exist.
This post is epic, I thought of this while reading it. 
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
716
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Posted - 2015.06.08 13:05:58 -
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I'm sorry, I thought you was corn. LOL
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.08 13:33:48 -
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Mandar Amelana wrote:... Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode. They are planning to make POS replacements that don't have shields. Only an "attach" option that works like docking.
I think that people would just stop flying Rorquals under those conditions and have a proposal of how to get them into belts even with the current mechanics.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1089
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Posted - 2015.06.08 15:28:55 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Mandar Amelana wrote:... Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode. They are planning to make POS replacements that don't have shields. Only an "attach" option that works like docking. I think that people would just stop flying Rorquals under those conditions and have a proposal of how to get them into belts even with the current mechanics. P.S. That article ... it seems like fan fiction or something. EVE can't really be that over the top and steeped in excitement, can it?
Don't you think the rumored AoE links would handily do that for you? |

Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.08 15:38:43 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:...Don't you think the rumored AoE links would handily do that for you? Nope, the Rorquals are too vulnerable and squishy as they are now. Risk far exceeds the reward of putting them in an asteroid belt. They will simply mine without boosts.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2165
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:49:50 -
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i.. what?
So you basicly want it so no one can fight any of the attackers off if they are attacking there pos.
This makes zero sense.
As someone already said, either you have never deployed or never worked with a pos. i'm sorry.. but i am now going to add this idea to the 'worst ideas ever in one sentence thread' lord this is bad.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
2311
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Posted - 2015.06.08 16:58:20 -
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Urziel99 wrote:Mandar Amelana wrote:So I'm just throwing an idea out there to see where people stand on it. No doubt many of us have read the article about the Rorqual sabotage. I'm basing what I'm about to propose off the following quote from the article: Quote:Rorquals are industrial capital ships, incredibly rare with minimal uses for combatGÇömeaning they are rarely ever vulnerable. After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about, or perhaps it is just me. It just seems to me that if losing a ship really only happens from gross negligence or extremely elaborate plots like the one highlighted above, it might be good to talk about alternatives (educate me if I'm completely misunderstanding how often Rorqs actually get downed). So I'm tossing out the following idea, and I encourage you to amend it and flesh it out in whatever direction would make the game better: Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode. Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed. bad idea. As to the Rorqual. It's primary purpose is to support mining operations with bonuses and mobile compression. only a few are brave/crazy enough to have them in the open, and given their cost and lack of defensive power that is justifiable. Here's a question, why do mining links project outside of POS force fields yet combat links do not?
(silence..sound of crickets...)
Second question, we seem to always hear about cries of making combat links only work 'on grid' with a pvp fleet. I am sure you also support the selfsame change to mining links, and that mining command ships should also be 'on grid' with mining fleets to work?
F
Would you like to know more?
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DaReaper
Net 7
2165
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Posted - 2015.06.08 17:18:06 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Urziel99 wrote:Mandar Amelana wrote:So I'm just throwing an idea out there to see where people stand on it. No doubt many of us have read the article about the Rorqual sabotage. I'm basing what I'm about to propose off the following quote from the article: Quote:Rorquals are industrial capital ships, incredibly rare with minimal uses for combatGÇömeaning they are rarely ever vulnerable. After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about, or perhaps it is just me. It just seems to me that if losing a ship really only happens from gross negligence or extremely elaborate plots like the one highlighted above, it might be good to talk about alternatives (educate me if I'm completely misunderstanding how often Rorqs actually get downed). So I'm tossing out the following idea, and I encourage you to amend it and flesh it out in whatever direction would make the game better: Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode. Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed. bad idea. As to the Rorqual. It's primary purpose is to support mining operations with bonuses and mobile compression. only a few are brave/crazy enough to have them in the open, and given their cost and lack of defensive power that is justifiable. Here's a question, why do mining links project outside of POS force fields yet combat links do not? (silence..sound of crickets...) Second question, we seem to always hear about cries of making combat links only work 'on grid' with a pvp fleet. I am sure you also support the selfsame change to mining links, and that mining command ships should also be 'on grid' with mining fleets to work? F
I'll toss in my .02 isk. I do. I always felt the rorq should of been a capital mining ship, with a capital strip miner, and now as a way to mine current moon ore (from hence forth i'll call it T2 ore) from roid feilds (i think T2 ore should be active mined) and links should work on grid. Remove the compression function and give it like a refining, reacting, or some other type of industry function. The rorq should become a 'mining operations command and support ship' and should be deployed on the field.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4961
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Posted - 2015.06.08 17:19:13 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Here's a question, why do mining links project outside of POS force fields yet combat links do not?
(silence..sound of crickets...) From CCP Fozzie's Fanfest 2014 presentation I linked above:
CCP Fozzie wrote:Its always a ship that has kind of languished as its got the bonuses for tractor beams, but then you never put it in a belt, because that would be silly.
Its got the gang link bonuses, but it kind of also needs to be inside a force field, which is why we gave the mining links the exception when we removed all gang links from force fields. |

flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2986
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Posted - 2015.06.08 17:44:13 -
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William Weatherwax wrote:Mandar Amelana wrote: After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about
Considering that Eve is a Sandbox game, can you claim that your assumption on what the game is about is the correct one? It seems to me as if Rorquals are getting downed quite regularly (https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/) and the article just tried to make the achievement (he had to maintain his cover for many months which I think should count as an achievement itself) look bigger.
Just counted the losses of may on zkilboard , 27 in total.To be honest was more then i expected.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1648
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Posted - 2015.06.08 17:54:47 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:... Second question, we seem to always hear about cries of making combat links only work 'on grid' with a pvp fleet. I am sure you also support the selfsame change to mining links, and that mining command ships should also be 'on grid' with mining fleets to work?
F I do; with my design plan.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
269
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Posted - 2015.06.08 18:20:37 -
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Mandar Amelana wrote:So I'm just throwing an idea out there to see where people stand on it. No doubt many of us have read the article about the Rorqual sabotage. I'm basing what I'm about to propose off the following quote from the article: Quote:Rorquals are industrial capital ships, incredibly rare with minimal uses for combatGÇömeaning they are rarely ever vulnerable. After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about, or perhaps it is just me. It just seems to me that if losing a ship really only happens from gross negligence or extremely elaborate plots like the one highlighted above, it might be good to talk about alternatives (educate me if I'm completely misunderstanding how often Rorqs actually get downed). So I'm tossing out the following idea, and I encourage you to amend it and flesh it out in whatever direction would make the game better: Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode.
you have no idea how a POS works do you? lolz
stupid stupid stupid stupid. |

DaReaper
Net 7
2166
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Posted - 2015.06.08 18:35:47 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:... Second question, we seem to always hear about cries of making combat links only work 'on grid' with a pvp fleet. I am sure you also support the selfsame change to mining links, and that mining command ships should also be 'on grid' with mining fleets to work?
F I do; with my design plan.
link?
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Gorinia Sanford
Seventh Element Shadow of xXDEATHXx
111
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Posted - 2015.06.08 18:55:55 -
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Urziel99 wrote:Mandar Amelana wrote:So I'm just throwing an idea out there to see where people stand on it. No doubt many of us have read the article about the Rorqual sabotage. I'm basing what I'm about to propose off the following quote from the article: [quote]Rorquals are industrial capital ships, incredibly rare with minimal uses for combatGÇömeaning they are rarely ever vulnerable. After having played this game for nearly four years, that struck me as a little antithetical to what this game is about, or perhaps it is just me. It just seems to me that if losing a ship really only happens from gross negligence or extremely elaborate plots like the one highlighted above, it might be good to talk about alternatives (educate me if I'm completely misunderstanding how often Rorqs actually get downed). So I'm tossing out the following idea, and I encourage you to amend it and flesh it out in whatever direction would make the game better: Whenever a POS is put into reinforced mode, it jettisons all currently free floating ships that are within the bubble. Ships cannot enter the bubble while it is in reinforced mode. Wormholers would never have a chance after a tower was reffed. bad idea. As to the Rorqual. It's primary purpose is to support mining operations with bonuses and mobile compression. only a few are brave/crazy enough to have them in the open, and given their cost and lack of defensive power that is justifiable.[
True, few risk a Rorqual out in the open, but someone that I know from a previous alliance told me some corp (I think they're a part of Brave Newbies or some such) took 10 Rorquals and did a gate camp with them using sentry drones. Funniest damn thing I heard in a long time. |

Black Panpher
Middle-aged pony tail
4110
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Posted - 2015.06.08 18:57:30 -
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What would be the point in playing a game where "doing everything right perfectly" would still get you killed? |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4961
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Posted - 2015.06.08 19:40:47 -
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Gorinia Sanford wrote:True, few risk a Rorqual out in the open, but someone that I know from a previous alliance told me some corp (I think they're a part of Brave Newbies or some such) took 10 Rorquals and did a gate camp with them using sentry drones. Funniest damn thing I heard in a long time. If it is something crazy mining related, my first thought would be Bovril.
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