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Kyozoku
Loot
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Posted - 2006.11.20 21:43:00 -
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It's you that sucks donkey balls not the ship.
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Cleron
Antares Fleet Yards
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Posted - 2006.11.20 22:49:00 -
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Well what do you expect from a ship using weapons that are 2x more cap hungry then Glenty weapons and at worst 3x with Tachs. That 50% Weapon cap bonus only begins to equal things out at ship lvl 5 & with out that most Amarr ships are rather worthless unless they have a secondary weapon or other less combat orientated role.
I still don't know why lasers continue to have this problem thrust upon them in an age where the laser & Amarr are no longer king. If anything all Amarr ships should have the Weapon cap bonus as a 3rd bonus if CCP can't come up with another alternative because most Amarr ships simply can't function properly with out that bonus. Maybe something along the lines of a "faction" skill would work too. Replace the ship cap bonus with the faction skill & give Amarr back there second bonus while also giving them a much easier way to train up that weapon cap reduction with out having to train every god dam ship lvl to 5.
As for the Abaddon... it's not a bad ship but like all Amarr ships it really dose need that 50% weapon cap reduction to function in a half decent way. Using close range Pulse lasers is far to limiting and Mega beams & Tachs simply chew through the cap far to fast. While Cap boosters can work for a while they aren't that easy to get your hands on in 0.0 with out a carrier jumping them in & even then they have limited ability in things like fleet combat etc because your likely to be gone far longer then your cap booster supply will last.
Any way i think the point I'm trying to make is the ship ain't all that bad it's just that Amarr still have the laser nerf from yonks ago roped around there necks even though things have changed quite a lot since then in the favor of the other races. For Amarr to get back on to the horse the EAN issue needs to be fixed, some fitting issues need another look & like i said above they also need to re-think the cap penalty on lasers.
For the moment I'd suggest sticking to the Armageddon. It will be 1/3 the cost when the new T3 BS's hit TQ & from the looks of things at the moment it's far better bang for buck.
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nexvis
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: nexvis on 21/11/2006 00:50:19
 Originally by: Krav
Just curious... With the HP bonus (much longer combat) has ANYONE managed to fit enough cap boosters to last through a battleship engagement?
yep.
I gave up with the hyperion, and went back into the FFA's with the tried and true blasterthron, mirroring my fit exactly from TQ without using any mods i wouldn't or couldn't afford to use on the ship. Technically downgraded a bit as I dont have hull upgrades 5 on sisi. Since cap boosters now take 28m3, i had enough room for 24 boosters in cargo (no spare ammo) and 4 in the booster. Went back and forth betweeen FFA's and station averaging 2 or 3 battleship kills (several of them 2v1), docking for more and reloading guns, and right back into the fight. Averaging 8:1 kill ratio against BS's most of the night, ate up about 600 cap boosters throughout my *ahem* "testing"
I'm such a fanboy; blasterthron was, and still is, the pwn. Even with everyone fitting stupid amounts of nos, i really only ran into cap booster issues when fighting 2 nos heavy BS's at once. On sisi i'm missing a few skills, so I dont have the grid left to fit a nos of my own, nor t2 hardeners, so I'm at a bit of a disadvantage over my TQ fit. But point is, gank > tank, and reduced cap booster size makes them very managable, even if i do still go through them like tic-tacs 
As for the OP, loading up with cap rehcargers was probably your first mistake.
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Dave10
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:52:00 -
[34]
Originally by: nexvis
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so youre comparing the hyperion to a megathron using the FFA for your comparasons?
good idea 
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nickky01
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.11.21 01:08:00 -
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on sisi my setup was
5 heavy pulse (t1) 3 heavy nos
cap injector, 20k scram, web, multispec II (yeah it got nerfed, but on sisi its the only way to defend against rokh/abbadon/typhoon/whatever fitted with 8 NOS)
2 LAR ('accoms), DC, 3 hardners
1v1 nobody ever beat me, though at the end of most fights i was in structure...with 1-2 friends in BS it was unstoppable until you ran out of charges...finally got killed this morning...was fighting a dev in a rattlesnake in FFA1...holding my own pretty well...at about 10% of my armor a few ppl warped in and started shooting him to, at about 80% structure i hit my first jam on him...thought it was gonna let me rep up a bit as he was at about 5% shields...what i didn't know was that if you jam a dev they just /kill you :(
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.21 07:11:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Dave10
Originally by: nexvis
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so youre comparing the hyperion to a megathron using the FFA for your comparasons?
good idea
But he wants to pwn but got pwned and wants his ship pimped up to pwnage status  |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Cap rigs.
Yes, because while other people are using rigs to make their ships even better than they already are, Abaddon pilots need them to plug holes.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
It's great being Amarr, ain't it? |
Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.11.21 09:26:00 -
[38]
Template for future use in these situations:
Dear CCP,
I have x million skillpoints.
I was just owned by a character with:
[ ] x/2
[ ] x/3
[ ] x/4
skillpoints.
Because I have x skillpoints, I should have won this fight, and for me to lose it is wrong.
The player in question was using:
[ ] A better setup than me, though I don't care to admit it
[ ] Something that I consider cheating, like Nos, and refuse to use
[ ] A Rokh
I died because:
[ ] I was using a gimp setup
[ ] I'm pretty poor at this game and don't really know how to use my ship, despite having x skillpoints
[ ] He was in a Rokh
I feel that an appropriate course of action for CCP to take would be:
[ ] Buff my ship so I can win more
[ ] Nerf (insert random ship/module he was using) because I don't like it
[ ] Balance the Rokh
Your sincerely,
(insert name here)
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DarkElf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.21 10:29:00 -
[39]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Imhotep Khem
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 20:55:00 -
[40]
Classic.
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"If your not dyin' your not tryin'."
"Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle |
Rajon Kelper
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:41:00 -
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MAYBE. just MAYBE...
CCP have decided roles for certain ships, and your just whining now because they gave the ship you can fly a role you dont want. Instead of living with the roles assigned, you whine about how you need to get unnerfed and how uber caldari are, because for ONCE theyre getting a couple ships that arent gonna suck at solo pvp. 
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"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving." |
Monoklas
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Posted - 2006.11.22 00:05:00 -
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All i can say is... they changed the RoF bonus to a dmg bonus effectivley just adding a 5% laser cap usage reduction bonus. This thing is a big geddon with an extra turret, better resistences and a MUCH higher alpha strike, how can you not like it?
Thank you CCP this is a major step in the right direction to 'fixing' Amarr.
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Royaldo
KVA Noble Inc.
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.11.22 00:27:00 -
[43]
lmao at the retard pointing to cap rigs
LMAO
designed my ass for cap rigs...
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2006.11.22 00:33:00 -
[44]
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425853&page=2
read post by tux.
move on from the objecting to how low cap is at the moment he's said it will be fixed so if you can kill something now without running out of cap you will still be able to do the same post kail without running out of cap can we PLEASE stop this the moaning about kali totally nerfing amarr with the new armour increase? it's going to be fixed STOP THE SODDING MOANING
did i say stop the moaning yet?
and now the link one more time incase anyone missed it
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425853&page=2
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Royaldo
KVA Noble Inc.
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.11.22 00:42:00 -
[45]
yeah that will solve this ships problem
I CANT ROLL MY EYES ENOUGH
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Altrex Stoppel
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.22 01:15:00 -
[46]
Testy Mctest is my hero
Omg, Dark Shikari got pregnant with the forums! |
Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.22 01:44:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 22/11/2006 01:46:40
hehe indeed Testy.
Originally by: Kuolematon
I got Mega Pulse II's with Conflage crystals along side with 3 WASP's. I had 4 CAP II's, 3 HS II's, 3 EAN II's and one LAR II.
Using the wrong T2 modules < using right t1 modules.
20m sp + no player skill < 6m sp + player skill
Multiple things wrong here:
1)Using cap recharges on a PvP setup.
2)Using 3x EANM T2's instead of 2x EANM T2's + DC
3)LAR II on a ship using a base of 40cap/sec for its guns without a cap booster then fitting 3x HS II's upping cap use to 55cap/sec (so your total cap use is the same cap use of a Mega with blasters and dual rep tank, but they don't try and do that without a cap booster thankfully or forums will be full of complaints like yours).
Originally by: Kuolematon
Sure, having cap injector would have been option but.. meh.
Sure "meh" is the best arguement i've ever heard, I fully agree with you! .
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Originally by: "Lord Violent"
EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.22 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dristra
btw the ROF is now a DMG bonus, so its a little easier on the cap
It is? *drops to knees* THANK GOD!
Now, all that need to be done is:
-Replace the resist bonus with cap reduction bonus
-Give resist bonus to Apoc in lieu of capacitor bonus
-Give back the Harbinger its RoF bonus
-Un-nerf the Hurricane
-Un-nerf the ganking of the Drake, nerf its tanking
FOR THE EMPEROR!
The Fourth NtV (Noob to Vet) Lottery |
Arian Snow
Minmatar
Megalomaniacs at Arms
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Posted - 2006.11.22 02:29:00 -
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so you are saying the abbadon sucks based on 1 fking bad experience ... I believe that speaks volume more about you than the Abbadon!
I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all! |
Miri Tirzan
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 02:51:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Arian Snow
so you are saying the abbadon sucks based on 1 fking bad experience ... I believe that speaks volume more about you than the Abbadon!
Since there have been many posts about the short comings of the Abaddon since the stats were first released, you must be a troll.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Lock out
Bald Industrial Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.22 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Originally by: Dristra
btw the ROF is now a DMG bonus, so its a little easier on the cap
It is? *drops to knees* THANK GOD!
It's actually a damage reduction at the moment.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.22 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lock out
It's actually a damage reduction at the moment.
They must have forgotten to change it from -5% to +5% per level.
LOL! Awesome! Tux is really hammering the point in: Amarr are meant to suck! 
Seriously though, I'm very happy that they changed it. Fleet Tachyboat FTW! Now... where's my squire and his energy-transfer Augoror?
FOR THE EMPEROR!
The Fourth NtV (Noob to Vet) Lottery |
Arian Snow
Minmatar
Megalomaniacs at Arms
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Posted - 2006.11.22 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Miri Tirzan
Originally by: Arian Snow
so you are saying the abbadon sucks based on 1 fking bad experience ... I believe that speaks volume more about you than the Abbadon!
Since there have been many posts about the short comings of the Abaddon since the stats were first released, you must be a troll.
Lol ... well so its all 'bout the number of posts now ? ... ahh nowonder us minmatar often gets shaftet ... we need to post more making our claims more valid!
My Amarr alt loves the new Abbadon. Its a great BS if a bit redundant!
I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all! |
1 Up
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Posted - 2006.11.22 07:08:00 -
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It seems to me every race is gonna have problems after this patch.
Minmatar need replacement for sniping, Amarr need more cap, Galantee need more drone space and caldari need...more..wait a minute, caldari gain shield recharge and need nothing? omfg nerf caldari passive tanks or we'll see even MORE ravens ;DDDDDD
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Alpha Prime
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 09:20:00 -
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If he was in a blastership, orbeting you at his range. The fight ended up as it should have. Gunships using longrangeguns should be/are useless at those ranges due to their tracking.
If you lost against a Megathron using rails, you should know that the Mega still does more dmg then the Hyperion due to its tracking bonus.
On a personal note, the Hyperion suxx.
Having Tux fixing the blasterships is like having
a blind man teaching you how to drive. Just wont work.
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OrangeAfroMan
Minmatar
Suffoco Noctis
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.11.22 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Yes, it looks nice and will be collecting dust on my hangar.
Why? I just got "owned" in sisi by character with 6mil SP and no gallente specialization. He was using T1 items while I was using full T2 fit.
I got Mega Pulse II's with Conflage crystals along side with 3 WASP's. I had 4 CAP II's, 3 HS II's, 3 EAN II's and one LAR II.
Thank you CCP. I love this ship. Why did I die? Ran out of cap. Sure, having cap injector would have been option but.. meh.
On the otherhand, having 500k in missile skills and no shield skills, I owned people in Drake. How fun!
It probably has more to do with the fact that you clearly suck at PvP, specifically not realizing that having him double webbed at 9.5km would greatly reduce his DPS, along with using a cap injector, and possibly thinking that MAYBE that last heatsink would be better off replaced with an EANM, increasing your tank as well as reducing the draw from your cap.
Or you could just rant.
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OrangeAfroMan
Minmatar
Suffoco Noctis
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dristra
Guess what: The other ships don't have to fit cap rigs to even function, they just fit damage and tank rigs, and hey, then they out-perform the abaddon even more!
btw the ROF is now a DMG bonus, so its a little easier on the cap
Not sure what battleships used for PvP nowadays DONT use cap injectors, if not to run their guns but to run their tanks and MWDs....
Nice try though.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: OrangeAfroMan
Originally by: Dristra
Guess what: The other ships don't have to fit cap rigs to even function, they just fit damage and tank rigs, and hey, then they out-perform the abaddon even more!
btw the ROF is now a DMG bonus, so its a little easier on the cap
Not sure what battleships used for PvP nowadays DONT use cap injectors, if not to run their guns but to run their tanks and MWDs....
Nice try though.
Sniping battleships don't use cap boosters.
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
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