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Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.22 19:37:00 - [181] Originally by: Avon I think the humour of BLs post was possibly a litte too subtle... No it was too over the top. He was trying to make a joke about what he perceives is whining and played to the stereotype of Bob flaming on the forums. i just don't find attempt funny or helpful.
Needer moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.22 19:49:00 - [182] Originally by: Avon I think the humour of BLs post was possibly a litte too subtle... wow, nowaday Bob is also claiming to be funny. This is real propaganda. I like this roleplay thingy!
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:24:00 - [183] Originally by: Needer Originally by: Avon I think the humour of BLs post was possibly a litte too subtle... wow, nowaday Bob is also claiming to be funny. This is real propaganda. I like this roleplay thingy! Roleplay am good!
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:51:00 - [184] Originally by: Liet Traep Originally by: Avon I think the humour of BLs post was possibly a litte too subtle... No it was too over the top. He was trying to make a joke about what he perceives is whining and played to the stereotype of Bob flaming on the forums. i just don't find attempt funny or helpful. Oh give it a rest, you had my real thoughts on the matter on page three, which were pretty much ignored by the BoB haters, yet as soon as I post something that was as much a humorous dig at us playing the bad guy as it was anyone else you're all over it. Go back to page three and comment on that post if you want to have a debate about this nonsense rather than just playing the holier than thou card. Blog
Needer moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.22 21:01:00 - [185] Oh wait.... here is the roleplaying answer quoting one of your members from Page 1 Originally by: Nira Li You suck and we are better then you. Oh and you are wrong!
Amy Smart Caldari moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.22 21:43:00 - [186] Originally by: Needer Oh wait.... here is the roleplaying answer quoting one of your members from Page 1 Originally by: Nira Li You suck and we are better then you. Oh and you are wrong! court the HIGHCOMMANDER! and clap the hands! bend down lil fairy wish is a wish! -------------------------------------------------- - moon7empler :: Dusk and Dawn - - Madam Adminstrator of Venal -
dodo dedere Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.22 22:33:00 - [187] Edited by: dodo dedere on 22/11/2006 22:40:33 I've just read you're post on page three Blacklight. Well thank you for taking that time to write you're own feelings, i have to say that vast majority of it I agree with, that is I agree with your assesment of what EVE is compared to other games and why thats good. A few things though: I disagree with you're statement that the people who do not 'roleplay' nastiness in the forums always communicate it through different methods such as eve mail... In fact there are plenty of people who just don't communicate nastiness in anyway to their opposition... at all. I don't particularly and I know plenty of people who do even less than me. They aren't role-playing they are just being themselves. Compare the role playing done between Amaar loyalists and Minmatar loyalist corporations, thats different to what you do. They want the other guy to scream "Amarr pig" back at them... It is my belief that what you do is non consensual, you 'role play' the nasty guy belittling the opposition without the opposition particularly role playing or wanting to role play back. You're role play is designed to stop the opposition from logging on and fighting you, the other is designed to get a fight, to make EVE for fun for both sides. I don't think there is a place for one over the other in EVE, both have their place but that doesn't mean I like them both equally. It also doesn't mean I'm not gonna complain when I believe you take it too far. In the end I think it comes down to. "I want ASCN's space... whats the quickest way to do that? aha, demoralise them. Hmmm... whats the quickest way to do that? Point out every failure however small and twist every succes into a failure" That is Propaganda, and that why you should be ignored, but thats why you never will. Dodo
Itzena Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.22 23:15:00 - [188] What I don't understand is people saying things like "I used to like BoB but zomg they were mean to ASCN so I don't like them any more" BoB's recent behaviour is nothing new - in fact, I'd say it's their standard modus operandi: 1) Declare war. 2) Start smear campaign on forums to try and turn the rest of EVE against their latest victim(s). 3) At some point, declare victory and leave. Whether BoB's original goals were achieved is immaterial - their pet forum warriors will spin whatever the end result was into a resounding success. 4) Fill up stockpiles with spares again, then find someone else to pick on. Go to step one. -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.22 23:53:00 - [189] Edited by: welsh wizard on 23/11/2006 00:11:27 Where I come from respect is garnered through friendship and positive action. This has been said many times before but its very true, pretty much every entity in Eve-Online has its fair share of halfwits. It's just that in my experience the entity in question seem to harbour a disproportionately large number of nasty people who take their attitude too far even on the internet. Of course you can just dismiss my bias opinion as I happen to be part of an group that has a particuarly rocky history with said entity. Thing is I think a rather large number of sensible people from all walks of 'Eve life' share my view. In fact said entity, its got as far as a point where you need to ask yourselves, "Is it because they're jealous of my own and my organisations 'internet gaming skills' or is there some truth to their ramblings?" The single thing that annoys me most is that the many civil and intelligent people in said entity appear to condone the actions of these few morons and even go as far as to support their borderline psychotic ramblings. I'm pretty ** sure the reasonable types in said entity know that I'm right. As this is the internet you have to take much of what is said with a rather large pinch of salt. Despite this there are decent ways to act regardless of whether this is the internet or not, some people just push it too far. This post will come across as particuarly scathing, because it is. Sorry. edited. Originally by:** anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Drusus Rensus Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.11.23 00:22:00 - [190] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 23/11/2006 00:27:41 Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 23/11/2006 00:23:54 Quote: I'm fairly certain the thread was set up by the OP the devolve into an ASCN vs. BoB thread. Classic flamebait. Thus I don't think you derailed his intent, but helped it. FWIW, it really wasn't. That's why I stressed that I would have preferred if uninterested 3rd parties (i.e. Not BoB and ASCN) responded. Yeah, I named names in the post, but I didn't state anywhere in the original post that I thought it was "ebil". If I had posted that same thing without mentioning BoB by name, is there anyone here, really, who wouldn't have known exactly who I was talking about? Nah. It wouldn't have been three posts before someone said "well, of course your're talking about BoB", and the end result would have been the same. I really was interested in what those (not ASCN and BoB) reading along thought of these posts, since, because they're posted here, the "Eve public" is obviously part of the intended audience for them. So, calling this thread flame-bait is kind of like calling cheddar cheese fish bait. It probably only looks that way if you were a fish to begin with.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 00:39:00 - [191] Unfortunately your wording of the OP gives the impression that "propoganda" is the exclusive domain of BoB. Different, more careful, wording may have resulted in a far more constructive thread. I tend to aim my posts at the level of the thread, and I am sorry to say that this particular one didn't really encourage me to engage much in the way of higher cerebral function, sorry. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 02:59:00 - [192] Actually, i think it's quite a nice one...now all you ASCN and BoB guys go and have at it in your own threads, this is were the rest of us get to play the weird neighbours looking through your windows with a telescope, calling each other on the phone and talking gossip about you Seriously now, it would be a shame if this gets past the maximum allowed flame treshold and get's locked. If anyone in ASCN or BoB wants to know what the community thinks of them, they should let this roll without intervention on their part, this will give the most accurate results on public opinion. If any of these two parties interferes to steer the conversation where it suits them or get it locked,then it can only mean they can't stand people having a different opinion than their own and they also want to shut them up for fear of more onlookers thinking the same. I'm sure that despite all the vitriol and drama, since everyone claims roleplay reasons for their behaviour here, they are mostly decent people and they will let us go on without meddling on their part. After all, it's not like they don't have material for themselves, there's an ASCNvsBoB thread for them every other day. It is a public forum after all and people on the outside have as much right to discuss the situation, the only thing that grants posting privileges here is an active account and a characer in a non-NPC corp, not the actual contents of someone's corp ticker
Needer moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.23 05:38:00 - [193] Originally by: Avon Unfortunately your wording of the OP gives the impression that "propoganda" is the exclusive domain of BoB. Different, more careful, wording may have resulted in a far more constructive thread. I tend to aim my posts at the level of the thread, and I am sorry to say that this particular one didn't really encourage me to engage much in the way of higher cerebral function, sorry. If you need higher cerebral function to understand, that a question to the community regarding BOB shoudn¦t be answered from BOB, you may have a bigger problem!
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 06:48:00 - [194] Quote: If anyone in ASCN or BoB wants to know what the community thinks of them, they should let this roll without intervention on their part, this will give the most accurate results on public opinion. I don't belive that for a second. People who have the incentive to write here are either bored senseless, or have a hidden agenda. The community at large does not post, and a few pages of banter between the usual suspects is not representative of any statistical truth. - If these forums were ever printed and published for mass consumption, it would have to be sold with tins of lard to accurately depict the transparency some of you seem to possess. Its one thing to have opinions. Its another to go around preaching in every thread, hoping to convert unbelievers with this senseless gospel. Yet, entitlement of opinion continues to be mistaken for some divine power of judgement. As if your own alliance were the pinnacle of success, and its holy radiance has bestowed upon you the forum omnipotence needed to explain just how screwed up the Band of Brothers really are. Forgive me for crashing this fragile fantasy, but that is a calculated and deliberate assault. Nothing more than the propaganda spiels you all claim to denounce in this unscrupulous display of forum pandering. Once again, the vast majority of our enemies would rather sit on their ergonomic weight-adjusted ass retainers focusing energy towards image fluffing. Frankly it doesn't matter if we are seen as priests or pariahs, the end result is always the same.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 07:50:00 - [195] Quote: In fact said entity, its got as far as a point where you need to ask yourselves, "Is it because they're jealous of my own and my organisations 'internet gaming skills' or is there some truth to their ramblings?" No thanks. If you want us to eat the humble pies, avoid insulting our intelligence at every opportunity. Until then, I nor anyone else will submit to the ridiculous belief that our enemies have BoB's best interests at heart. Even when they're not whining about our mythical cheats or seething with jealousy. Yeah BoB we all know you're great, BUUUUT.. We very much appreciate your concern, your advice and most of all, your endless baiting. Without these devices it would be very hard to guage just how uncomfortable we make the competition feel. The very same competition taking notes on how we play is offended we're not "gracious winners" and merely "bullying" the enemy. Well class is in session, so pay attention: - If you're going to mail us love notes on how much you respect BoB when its fighting your enemies, then scream bloody murder when we invade you - we might think you're hypocritical twofaced liars. - Hiring a forum junkie to PR-mask this abhorrent stupidity from the public only serves to reinforce this belief. It may even encourage us to share these contradictory public/private personas of your alliance with the community. Better yet, take your own advice. Originally by: Metacannibal can you guys give it a rest already? there will always be spies in alliance of this size. given the moronic behaviour of some people in this alliance, there will always be someone mocking these people, and most of the time rightfully so.
Needer moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.23 08:42:00 - [196] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Its one thing to have opinions. Its another to go around preaching in every thread, hoping to convert unbelievers with this senseless gospel. Yet, entitlement of opinion continues to be mistaken for some divine power of judgement. As if your own alliance were the pinnacle of success, and its holy radiance has bestowed upon you the forum omnipotence needed to explain just how screwed up the Band of Brothers really are. I think you are the best proof, that you didnt understand your own roleplaying concept where the name Dbpreacher is the only content!
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.23 09:24:00 - [197] someone said "there is only 5 threads about bob and ascn" guys most the threads are highjacked by one of the two parties. And about the posts of bob, my guess is most of the ppl are bitter about bob or have joined bob, not cause there are such great roleplayers but they are i win button and ppl tend to allign with the best or most present one - take pick out of the two. About the post in general - we all know ascn has probally the lowest pvp ability of the big alliances in the game so why chestbeat about it.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 09:45:00 - [198] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 About the post in general - we all know ascn has probally the lowest pvp ability of the big alliances in the game so why chestbeat about it. Becouse our chests give us good rytham for dancing. We are proud of our chests. at least I am on mine Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Kin Hanyerec Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 10:59:00 - [199] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 About the post in general - we all know ascn has probally the lowest pvp ability of the big alliances in the game so why chestbeat about it. ASCN has great pvp ability due to its numbers, its pilots and its wealth. How that ability is put into practice is a different matter. I dont think they are weak, just inexperienced. Regional warfare is very different from roaming with the hope to catch and destroy some lone ship. That kind of experience can be only earned while fighting with claws and teeth to keep or conquer a region. It seems trivial but experience is the oil that makes the machine work smoothly.
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:10:00 - [200] Originally by: Kin Hanyerec ASCN has great pvp ability due to its numbers, its pilots and its wealth. How that ability is put into practice is a different matter. The word your looking for is potential >: )
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:23:00 - [201] Originally by: Kin Hanyerec Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 About the post in general - we all know ascn has probally the lowest pvp ability of the big alliances in the game so why chestbeat about it. ASCN has great pvp ability due to its numbers, its pilots and its wealth. How that ability is put into practice is a different matter. I dont think they are weak, just inexperienced. Regional warfare is very different from roaming with the hope to catch and destroy some lone ship. That kind of experience can be only earned while fighting with claws and teeth to keep or conquer a region. It seems trivial but experience is the oil that makes the machine work smoothly. You are CYVOKS alt in BoB....?? Honestly..if they didn't learned it by now or app. 6 months before now, i personal don't see any potential at all. It's not, that they had no chance to practice before and still lacking the very same department as app. 1 year before. --

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