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Cyborg Girl86 Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2015.06.09 22:13:33 - [1] - Quote Hello everyone! Yes I know this is probably a topic that has been beaten to death, but I've done a lot of research on it from other sources and have played a ton of different MMO's and I would just like to make the argument for Walking in Stations and how it could be of benefit to the game. If anyone has any objections feel free to post them, this is a discussion and I'm well aware other people won't share my point of view. Without rambling on here goes: 1. Creation of content through different forms of player interaction. This one's pretty obvious. By letting capsuleers roam around in the station they're docked at and interact face-to-face with others opens up an entire can of worms and endless possibilities. Here's a hypothetical situation: You just docked up in an NPC station after an exciting roam in LS and decide to unwind. You step out of your CQ and walk through the hallways, witnessing other players making small talk or trading with each other in the hallway. You arrive at the local pub/bar/nightclub and order a drink for a few ISK, then sit down at a table watching The Scope from a nearby hanging holopanel. A player who happens to be bored sits down at your table and challenges you to a minigame that you can actually play installed in the table itself for either money (i.e. gambling) or for fun. He beats you, takes some of your ISK and tells you "good game". After that you relax watching the ships belonging to other players undocking and flying close to the station through the window beside you) This is just an example scenario, but if WiS was ever implemented the sheer amount of new and fun minigames, content and ways to interact with new people you've never met would add a whole new sense of immersion to the game, which brings me to my next point... 2. An All new level of immersion Being able to walk around and interact with New Eden with your toon would enable the Devs to inject and implement a ton of material from the EVE Lore into the game. I absolutely love the lore behind this game. Its so rich, vast and detailed. I think I read just about all of the EVE Chronicles. And yet there's a level of disconnect from the game itself. Imagine being in an NPC station and seeing Amarrian NPC scholars or priests walking down the halls, Gallente exotic dancers trying to entice you, Minmatar tribesman telling each other myths or Caladari business moguls arguing over how to run their corp. Being able to interact with NPCs like these (which serve to enrich the atmosphere a la Skyrim) and have them explain little tidbits about the empires or other facets of the game's rich sci-fi environment would really immerse those who are more inclined towards the RPing side of things. And yes, even though the NPCs may say the same things over and over again would get repetitive, but for new subs the new players could learn a lot about the history and stories behind New Eden. 3. New ways to manage Corps/Alliances Imagine the sheer possibilities for corps and alliances WiS would bring. You corp office in station could have strategic planners, market share information on giant holopanels or terminals your toon could walk up to and manage the corp from. It would also provide a place where toons and friends from the same corp could gather together and hang out in a lounge or something, do minigames or simply stand around AFK surrounded by friends and wingmen. These are just some of the ideas I came up with off the top of my head. If anyone wants to add more or make your arguments against WiS please feel free.
Dominique Vasilkovsky BFG Tech 258	Posted - 2015.06.09 22:17:05 - [2] - Quote It's dead Jim, CCP tried and failed miserably. Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard Once known as: Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
Jonni Favorite Red Slice Enterprise 181	Posted - 2015.06.09 22:22:17 - [3] - Quote Hah this should go well!
Lena Lazair Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion 494	Posted - 2015.06.09 22:23:45 - [4] - Quote Cyborg Girl86 wrote: Hello everyone! Yes I know this is probably a topic that has been beaten to death, but I've done a lot of research on it from other sources and have played a ton of different MMO's and I would just like to make the argument for Walking in Stations and how it could be of benefit to the game. If anyone has any objections feel free to post them, this is a discussion and I'm well aware other people won't share my point of view. I don't think anyone but the harshest of trolls would make any real claim that WiS couldn't be an awesome addition to EVE. The problem is that CCP does not have infinite budget and developer resources, so it's not really a question of how interesting WIS would be on its own merits. It's a question of priorities, and how much WiS couild add to the EVE experience for the cost vs all the other space-shippy-things CCP could be spending their time doing. And put in context and taken out of the vacuum, it becomes evident that a huge portion of the player-base would rather see CCP focusing their limited resource pool on improving the core game that includes spaceships as I think most people feel it's a better experience/cost return. The real missed opportunity, I think, is that while CCP apparently had money and devs to burn on WoD and Dust415, they COULD have instead burned those resources on a WiS addon/module/whatever for EVE, but didn't. I can't imagine they would have gone through the money any faster, and couldn't possibly be in a worse place for it than they are now. Too late for that now though...
Lupe Meza Hedion University Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2015.06.09 22:24:09 - [5] - Quote I think it would work at cross purposes of the strength of the game, the spaceships. We should encourage players to leave stations and go into space, not promote spending hours in stations. I mean it already happens as an avoidance technique as it is the one "safe" area in the game; but now it would be practically incentivized. Now if I could smuggle guns in there and have dust style shoot outs until security ejects me I'd be on board. Shoot the player, clear the isk on the gaming table and make a run for my ship. Or have a station alert put out an APB and bounty out for such a player. You get capped in station you lose any implants and isk on hand. But already it's a different game, more GTA Online than EVE. It is hard enough to execute a game when you have concrete focus and vision on what you want to be, cobbled on side features that add very little to that central vision are probably a bad idea. Fix space first before you worry about a whole new layer of Meta. At the end of the day though I think it honestly would detract from more content creation than it would bring to the table.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9987	Posted - 2015.06.09 22:43:26 - [6] - Quote Pinches nose =]\|[=
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 542	Posted - 2015.06.09 23:16:11 - [7] - Quote It's very humbling and heartwarming to see a WiS thread on GD again. Here's to hoping It may prosper and many good features may be discussed and added when CCP finally releases the long due and praised by the big majority of EVE community important feature Walk In Station that will allow us to see face of enemy when docked in station. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1661	Posted - 2015.06.09 23:20:21 - [8] - Quote Cyborg Girl86 wrote: ... If anyone has any objections feel free to post them, ... The current direction of making everything lifeless and dull, default ship skins, Neocom, et cetera. I would rather WiS creation is postponed until the development direction changes. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Ripblade Falconpunch Centurion Logistics 165	Posted - 2015.06.09 23:21:03 - [9] - Quote Cyborg Girl86 wrote: Blah blah blah..... Second Life is that way --------->
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6686	Posted - 2015.06.09 23:23:17 - [10] - Quote Such hopes and dreams as it were. But the spergian people of "muh ISK/stats" won that war. Now go die in a bubble camp or something and pretend it's "immersive". Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1187	Posted - 2015.06.09 23:24:21 - [11] - Quote I think at some point it needs to happen. But having never done game development, or knowing CCP's structure I have no idea how feasible it is for them to even try to do it. Seems like spending a lot of time QAing art assets. then again pretty much every game seems to have walking around as a feature so it can't be that hard can it? @ChainsawPlankto
DrSmegma Smegma United 291	Posted - 2015.06.09 23:25:21 - [12] - Quote Lena Lazair wrote: I don't think anyone but the harshest of trolls would make any real claim that WiS couldn't be an awesome addition to EVE. The trolls are right though. Nobody plays Eve because of the stations. People who like to walk around and customize their character won't play Eve just because of WiS. It's pointless. Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11313	Posted - 2015.06.09 23:38:55 - [13] - Quote Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote: It's dead Jim, CCP tried and failed miserably. This. Some people are so unrealistically hopeful and utopian that no amount of failure ever dissuades them from something they think they want. Literally everything CCP has done that involved some form of walking has either failed (Incarna, WoD), been disappointing at best (DUST, even if it's true that it is profitable) or been a myth that's probably been discontinued with little fanfare (Legion, EVA exploration). What has worked? Spaceships. Period. The WiS crowd's solution to the above history of Walking around stuff from CCP? Pour even more money and time down the same drain that's failed to produce much for 12 years. Seriously, WTF guys?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1188	Posted - 2015.06.10 00:05:18 - [14] - Quote DrSmegma wrote: Lena Lazair wrote: I don't think anyone but the harshest of trolls would make any real claim that WiS couldn't be an awesome addition to EVE. The trolls are right though. Nobody plays Eve because of the stations. People who like to walk around and customize their character won't play Eve just because of WiS. It's pointless. Given there isn't really any in station content currently that isn't much of a leap to make. Look at what unique items go for, I'd say there is a lot of room for vanity in eve. Add in something like Casinos, and I think WiS will be a lot more successful than people think. There are some who like the in space stuff, but want the in character stuff too. @ChainsawPlankto
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9990	Posted - 2015.06.10 00:22:13 - [15] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: DrSmegma wrote: Lena Lazair wrote: I don't think anyone but the harshest of trolls would make any real claim that WiS couldn't be an awesome addition to EVE. The trolls are right though. Nobody plays Eve because of the stations. People who like to walk around and customize their character won't play Eve just because of WiS. It's pointless. Given there isn't really any in station content currently that isn't much of a leap to make. Look at what unique items go for, I'd say there is a lot of room for vanity in eve. Add in something like Casinos, and I think WiS will be a lot more successful than people think. There are some who like the in space stuff, but want the in character stuff too. let me play poker with isk, that i can get behind, that i would dock for =]\|[=
Cyborg Girl86 Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2015.06.10 00:29:35 - [16] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote: It's dead Jim, CCP tried and failed miserably. This. Some people are so unrealistically hopeful and utopian that no amount of failure ever dissuades them from something they think they want. Literally everything CCP has done that involved some form of walking has either failed (Incarna, WoD), been disappointing at best (DUST, even if it's true that it is profitable) or been a myth that's probably been discontinued with little fanfare (Legion, EVA exploration). What has worked? Spaceships. Period. The WiS crowd's solution to the above history of Walking around stuff from CCP? Pour even more money and time down the same drain that's failed to produce much for 12 years. Seriously, WTF guys? I can understand the bitter resentment the older players have for this concept based on past experiences, and I'm not here to start flame wars or ceaseless bickering. Just elaborating on my thoughts here. It doesn't even really need to be an extremely complex system, in fact it WiS could be made simple enough in order to not overtax and overwork the devs, art team, etc. For some quick examples, when you click on the door to your CQ, a menu could pop up that gives you a list of different locations around the station. That list could be small at first limited to 2 or 3 different spots like a bar, a casino like someone mentioned earlier and maybe some kind of market for toon clothes or something. Instead of rendering and programming all of the hallways for the toons to walk around in, simply bring up a loading screen going from your CQ to that location on the menu you picked after clicking on the door control panel. It could start small at first by like having only 2 or 3 locations on the station to go to, but if the whole WiS thing becomes more popular, CCP could add more locations based on player feedback. Also, each of these locations could be "pre-rendered copies" like how all the different empire NPC station CQ look the same. Just some more ideas here. No need for hostilities please, just voicing some opinions that you can take or leave.
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 223	Posted - 2015.06.10 00:33:17 - [17] - Quote The result of a wandering mind. I survived Win95
Amonios Zula Aeon Ascendant 44	Posted - 2015.06.10 00:36:14 - [18] - Quote If it doesn't allow casual murder of other pilots & station traders and being able to jack starships from other peoples hangars then no thanks
Cyborg Girl86 Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2015.06.10 01:12:38 - [19] - Quote Jeez, crazy amounts of backlash here lol I'm not here to step on anybody's toes, just giving out some ideas that seemed good to me when I decided to write them. The forums are harsh I know, so no hard feelings on my end cause like I said earlier, everyone's got their own opinions on the matter and I knew beforehand what I was getting myself into when I decided to open this Pandora's Box of topics.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11320	Posted - 2015.06.10 01:33:35 - [20] - Quote Cyborg Girl86 wrote: Jeez, crazy amounts of backlash here lol I'm not here to step on anybody's toes, just giving out some ideas that seemed good to me when I decided to write them. The forums are harsh I know, so no hard feelings on my end cause like I said earlier, everyone's got their own opinions on the matter and I knew beforehand what I was getting myself into when I decided to open this Pandora's Box of topics. I find it really weird because the idea of WiS seems to be universally rejected on these forums but a huge amount of the people I talk to in-game actually support the concept of WiS. Maybe I just happened to be talking to the right people and its all one big coincidence. I dunno. No, there are forum people who want WiS, sometimes rabidly so. We tend to clash, I believe because some of us are pragmatic types (speaking for myself, I like the spaceship focus of the game and hate the idea of the WiS 'distraction) and most of them are imo utopian "immersion" type players who want an all inclusive sci fi universe that CCP once said they wanted to make....but failed to deliver at every turn. I think the past should teach us something, and it's foolish to think that a company that just hasn't been able to deliver on a fraction of their previously revealed "visions" is not the company to screw around with trying (AGAIN) to do WiS. It's like taking your car to a mechanic 15 times and having that mechanic fail to fix the problem 15 times and thinking "one more time will do it!" lol.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 164	Posted - 2015.06.10 02:22:04 - [21] - Quote Cyborg Girl86 wrote: Jeez, crazy amounts of backlash here lol ... I find it really weird because the idea of WiS seems to be universally rejected on these forums but a huge amount of the people I talk to in-game actually support the concept of WiS. Maybe I just happened to be talking to the right people and its all one big coincidence. I dunno. As someone who started after Incana, I've only a recent perspective, but I get the impression that WiS should not come before the focus of this game which involves spaceship in space. It's ok for WiS to be somewhere on a wishlist but I see (from discussions on the forums) that there are other more serious issues.
Jonni Favorite Red Slice Enterprise 181	Posted - 2015.06.10 02:22:38 - [22] - Quote It's not that there wouldn't be any interest in WIS, and I"m pretty sure even those that seem heavily opposed to it would check it out if CCP all of a sudden came out and said 'hey guys guess what we've been working on in secret for 6 years', and the addition actually rocked. But... 1. This topic has been beaten into the ground, with CCP pretty much saying the project has been abandoned and there are no future plans for it and. 2. The resources needed to produce anything of even mediocre quality are just not available, and if they were, they would be taken away from improving the core game. I was a huge supporter when this all started, but you have to face reality some times
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 458	Posted - 2015.06.10 03:49:16 - [23] - Quote I don't think many are necessarily against WiS, just the idea of devoting that much time away from the "in-space" content. CCP tried that before and were pretty roughly chastised by the player-base for it, though people were already pissed for various other reasons by that point as well. I'm not all surprised if CCP were reluctant to even think about WiS, even now or anytime soon. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Sibyyl Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 25501	Posted - 2015.06.10 04:27:16 - [24] - Quote Some counterarguments for you.. Cyborg Girl86 wrote: 1. Creation of content through different forms of player interaction. I think CCP should build a casino right in Jita that is ISK based. It should have all kinds of games, and none of it needs to be WIS based at all to be very popular. Just like PLEX is a way to curb RMT, CCP's casino would be a way to curb 3rd party gambling sites, which in my opinion would be a good thing. Quote: 2. An All new level of immersion Being able to walk around and interact with New Eden with your toon would enable the Devs to inject and implement a ton of material from the EVE Lore into the game. You are underestimating how much work this would take. CCP has massively stepped up their lore development through Scope videos, lore updates on various social media, and lore tie-ins to game mechanic changes. Asking them to do all this in realtime 3D on a game engine that is a major resource hog at the moment has a lot of complexities that CCP probably wouldn't have the manpower for.. without sacrificing the core game. You won't be able to argue for sacrificing the core game to develop WIS. I feel that the company won't ever want to make that sort of decision ever again. Quote: 3. New ways to manage Corps/Alliances Imagine the sheer possibilities for corps and alliances WiS would bring. You corp office in station could have strategic planners, market share information on giant holopanels or terminals your toon could walk up to and manage the corp from. Have you used Slack? Have you seen some corp webpages? Here's an example. Have you seen siggy? Have you seen Tripwire? Have you seen the tools on Steve's homepage? I could list you a thousand examples, but my point is all of this infrastructure is better built by third parties. A corp's IT infrastructure is part of the blood, sweat, and tears of building the corp. CCP unlocks all this capability through character/corp API, CREST, and the open EVE database access APIs so that CCP isn't spending time building tools EVE players can build for themselves. Lights will guide you home And ignite your bones
DaReaper Net 7 2187	Posted - 2015.06.10 04:31:18 - [25] - Quote There is room in eve for WiS, or avatar game play. But to be 100% honest, i am not sure what ccp is doing in way of direction. they keep flip flopping. in 2013 it was EVE everywhere! in 2014 it was Eve on PC all game playing together eventually! in 2015 it was, yea lets be stupid cautions and only show what we can deliver this year... oh and btw here are some random bits we are working on vr, which is kinda outside of new eden.. except nemesis which is an eve shooter.. but contrary to last year, this won;t be on pc. I got the feeling that at fan fest 15 ccp had made a hefty promise at 14, jumped the gun on legion and decided to pull WAY back and go slow. My honest hope is eve vegas and fan fest 16 set a good ground work for whatever the hell ccp as a companies future plans and goals are, cause this confusing crap needs to stop. Then they can bring in avatar play, but it needs a place and a way to play, so first ccp needs to get a goal and stick to it damn it, OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 190	Posted - 2015.06.10 04:33:22 - [26] - Quote I want WiS so we can all make love and cyber in each other's Captian Quarters. Itll be a massive orgy in dodixie and a giant harem house in amarr erryday. Seriously we get baribies that we play dress up with. Next logical move is love barbies. Just like the Sims!!!! Sims WahhHoooo!!!
DaReaper Net 7 2187	Posted - 2015.06.10 04:43:12 - [27] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote: It's dead Jim, CCP tried and failed miserably. This. Some people are so unrealistically hopeful and utopian that no amount of failure ever dissuades them from something they think they want. Literally everything CCP has done that involved some form of walking has either failed (Incarna, WoD), been disappointing at best (DUST, even if it's true that it is profitable) or been a myth that's probably been discontinued with little fanfare (Legion, EVA exploration). What has worked? Spaceships. Period. The WiS crowd's solution to the above history of Walking around stuff from CCP? Pour even more money and time down the same drain that's failed to produce much for 12 years. Seriously, WTF guys? There is a reason for this. CCP did not have a clear director for WoD, and kept changing the damn thing. Same with incarnia. Ambulation in 2007 was AMAZING, then somewhere along the way ccp said 'naw thats stupid lets go this really **** way instead' Its mostly about no real direction, just pie in the sky ideas, that are poorly executed. Dust had this huge ambition. but we got.. crap. CCP forgot the important thing... us. Dust might be profitable, but it failed. and contrary to popular belief no, it did not fail because it 'was not on pc' Dust failed because ccp forget the most important thing. US. The eve community. We needed a reason to give a about dust, and we didn;t have one. If we HAD we would of done more to bridge the gap and make it fun for dust bunnies. And i think this is something ccp learned about Valkyrie. When you let eve players use it, try it, and give you feed back, we start to care about it. If you make the eve community really care about the product, then it will be successful. WiS failed, not because of just incarnia, bu the other issues hitting ALL at once. CCP lost its way a long time ago, got bogged down in becoming bigger then they were. forgot about us, and **** up. I see that ccp is remembering without there players caring, anything in the eve universe will fail. And they really need to sotp biting off more then they can chew and focus. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
DremDorun Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 58	Posted - 2015.06.10 05:22:18 - [28] - Quote Nothing is wrong with so-called space-barbies. Many WiS objectors quite enjoy playing with the avatar creator, which perfectly lands them in space-barbie category. Nevertheless, pro-spaceship crowd freaks out each time the "dead horse" is brought up to be beaten up. Problem is CCP probably cannot develop WiS that won't fry our GPU's again - even after all this time. Jita Bars, Casinos? Nah... Too much crowd. The avatars would have to be dumbed down. What a shame would it be! Sibyyl wrote: You are underestimating how much work this would take. CCP has massively stepped up their lore development through Scope videos Well, not any less work than any generic MMOs would. Scope videos are great, except every "character" looks oh so dead in them, I think it's pretty embarrassing. Is that "massively" stepped up development or rather "Sorry, we cannot do any better than this?" Sibyyl wrote: You won't be able to argue for sacrificing the core game to develop WIS. TBH, I am not quite sure what the *core* game development of EvE for CCP is any more. The recent tweaks of UI - neocom, overview or even damage control icon, ffs, were not necessary. But maybe, just maaaybe, gave hopes about drone UI to be reworked? Probably not. The only reason for not developing ambulation any further would be not having any developers left, which is probably the case (WoD team disbanded, other developers layed off or ran off.)
Falken Falcon 31984	Posted - 2015.06.10 05:37:16 - [29] - Quote Would very much like to see WIS, but i most likely never will. Maybe far far in the future.. Maybe Aye, Sea Turtles
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 1004	Posted - 2015.06.10 08:31:24 - [30] - Quote Unless WiS contributes something to the game (like having someone get kicked out of station, stealing his stuff and generally being able to mess around with other players) there is no point to it. Hell, even providing "windows" (a way to see who camps the station flying what) could be considered a contribution. Just Walking in Stations to show off some clothes can not. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 1171	Posted - 2015.06.10 08:47:15 - [31] - Quote The fact is, CCP took their best shot (personally, I would argue they took their second best shot, Ambulation was far closer to what we had asked for than the abortion that was Incarna), and they fumbled it so badly, that ultimately scrapping the whole thing and starting from scratch would have to be a serious consideration in the best way to develop avatar play. Ultimately we aren't opposed to the [bi]vision[/i], but we have serious, well founded and supported by ample evidence, belief that CCP is physically and mentally unable to deliver. And last time, the attempt was such an embarrassment to CCP, and so detrimental to the game as it stands, that a second attempt can not even be contemplated without serious and sincere reassurance that the game wont be allowed to grow mouldy in the corner again while they make the attempt. The game survived WiS, and some would argue that in the end we profitted from it, since the violence of the backlash drove CCP out of the melaise of half-baked features and in to repairing and improving the games core. But a repeat performance might drive the stake in for good. The second problem is that the dream has long outstretched any sensible possibility (ask anyone what they think WiS should include and you'll get a list of insane in-the-sky features), such that the only result of any attempt will be another round of crushing disappointment. Add to the fact that any attempt at a multiplayer WiS probably means the entire avatar system has to be rebuilt from the ground up (we still, in all these years have seen no evidence that the current avatar system wouldn't collapse and meltdown utterly with multiple characters operating in the same instance), which risks alienating those members of the community who are satisfied and enjoy the current avatars and clothing. And finally, the arguement for WiS has always proclaimed "But Star Citizen and other games will have Avatars". Well, there is no prize in this competition for second place. Devoting money and dev time in to becoming "also has avatars, but not as good as" is no improvement. Better CCP focus on EvE's strengths, and what draws players to it, and ensure those players are happy and staying around, than cater to the audience of another game that does that feature better, and gain nothing from the effort.
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 390	Posted - 2015.06.10 08:52:25 - [32] - Quote Lena Lazair wrote: I don't think anyone but the harshest of trolls would make any real claim that WiS couldn't be an awesome addition to EVE. . Cool! I'm a troll. I never cared about WiS and never will. In my opinion WiS doesn't add any thing and will not add any thing awesome to the game I learned to love.
Ragnar Rancidbreeks SYNDIC Unlimited 4	Posted - 2015.06.10 08:58:52 - [33] - Quote Hijacking thread here :: Since it is agreed that WiS is dead, may I ask if there is anyone (apart from trolls) who can find merit in its first iteration, CQ. Does this add anything to EvE ? I can't myself, think of anything, and I think that CSM ought to look at asking EvE to decommission it, thereby releasing the additional resources tied into CQ for a more useful prupose -- perhaps the reduction of HiSec to noob systems, and a trade hub or two, to allow for a more open relationship between predator and prey, or the abandonment, little by little, of CONCORD activity, as the Empires turn to deal with the Sleeper menace.
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 463	Posted - 2015.06.10 09:23:19 - [34] - Quote Ragnar Rancidbreeks wrote: Hijacking thread here :: Since it is agreed that WiS is dead, may I ask if there is anyone (apart from trolls) who can find merit in its first iteration, CQ. Does this add anything to EvE ? I can't myself, think of anything, and I think that CSM ought to look at asking EvE to decommission it, thereby releasing the additional resources tied into CQ for a more useful prupose -- perhaps the reduction of HiSec to noob systems, and a trade hub or two, to allow for a more open relationship between predator and prey, or the abandonment, little by little, of CONCORD activity, as the Empires turn to deal with the Sleeper menace. They'd waste the least amount of time to just simply leave it as is, which is exactly what they seem to be doing. CQ is far from a finished product it was meant to be. It's pretty much seemingly decommissioned already since nothing has really come out relating to it since Incarna, minus what patch work and optimization was needed to make it more stable and less likely to smoke people's rigs. If you don't like it or don't use it, then don't use it or continue not using it. Some people still like hopping on the couch after a rough day and watch old RnK or Garmination vids on the tv. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Jonni Favorite Red Slice Enterprise 183	Posted - 2015.06.10 09:29:15 - [35] - Quote Sobaan Tali wrote: Ragnar Rancidbreeks wrote: Hijacking thread here :: Since it is agreed that WiS is dead, may I ask if there is anyone (apart from trolls) who can find merit in its first iteration, CQ. Does this add anything to EvE ? I can't myself, think of anything, and I think that CSM ought to look at asking EvE to decommission it, thereby releasing the additional resources tied into CQ for a more useful prupose -- perhaps the reduction of HiSec to noob systems, and a trade hub or two, to allow for a more open relationship between predator and prey, or the abandonment, little by little, of CONCORD activity, as the Empires turn to deal with the Sleeper menace. They'd waste the least amount of time to just simply leave it as is, which is exactly what they seem to be doing. CQ is far from a finished product it was meant to be. It's pretty much seemingly decommissioned already since nothing has really come out relating to it since Incarna, minus what patch work and optimization was needed to make it more stable and less likely to smoke people's rigs. If you don't like it or don't use it, then don't use it or continue not using it. Some people still like hopping on the couch after a rough day and watch old RnK or Garmination vids on the tv. I wonder if anyone would notice if the CQ button/link disappeared all of a sudden =)
Cyborg Girl86 Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2015.06.10 09:30:53 - [36] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: The fact is, CCP took their best shot (personally, I would argue they took their second best shot, Ambulation was far closer to what we had asked for than the abortion that was Incarna), and they fumbled it so badly, that ultimately scrapping the whole thing and starting from scratch would have to be a serious consideration in the best way to develop avatar play. Ultimately we aren't opposed to the [bi]vision[/i], but we have serious, well founded and supported by ample evidence, belief that CCP is physically and mentally unable to deliver. And last time, the attempt was such an embarrassment to CCP, and so detrimental to the game as it stands, that a second attempt can not even be contemplated without serious and sincere reassurance that the game wont be allowed to grow mouldy in the corner again while they make the attempt. The game survived WiS, and some would argue that in the end we profitted from it, since the violence of the backlash drove CCP out of the melaise of half-baked features and in to repairing and improving the games core. But a repeat performance might drive the stake in for good. The second problem is that the dream has long outstretched any sensible possibility (ask anyone what they think WiS should include and you'll get a list of insane in-the-sky features), such that the only result of any attempt will be another round of crushing disappointment. Add to the fact that any attempt at a multiplayer WiS probably means the entire avatar system has to be rebuilt from the ground up (we still, in all these years have seen no evidence that the current avatar system wouldn't collapse and meltdown utterly with multiple characters operating in the same instance), which risks alienating those members of the community who are satisfied and enjoy the current avatars and clothing. And finally, the arguement for WiS has always proclaimed "But Star Citizen and other games will have Avatars". Well, there is no prize in this competition for second place. Devoting money and dev time in to becoming "also has avatars, but not as good as" is no improvement. Better CCP focus on EvE's strengths, and what draws players to it, and ensure those players are happy and staying around, than cater to the audience of another game that does that feature better, and gain nothing from the effort. +1 From me Very well said and some good points brought up by everyone else here. I can see now why it would be much better for CCP to focus on the game's strengths and core gane mechanics. I'm pretty convinced and now feel the same way as the "against WiS" crowd. One of the best ways to survive is to adapt and change one'e point of views after some convincing I suppose.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 377	Posted - 2015.06.10 10:41:44 - [37] - Quote IBL... really this thread topic keeps getting raised from the dead every few months or so. They only thing that happens more often is the eve is dying threads. WiS just doesn't work with what eve IS. People claim they can go to some virtual bar and make some shady deal would be cool. But the fact is that that sort of game play doesn't work in a game like eve. Open and sandbox where you can get shot even in the safest place in the galaxy. It works when you have essentially single player minigames strapped to the main game with no real interaction with other players. aka quests in WoW. Note the total safety in WoW. Others think that getting in and out of spaceships is fun and makes the game better. After the first 5 times, and having to watch the same walk to the market every bloody time you undock, and everyone will want to turn it off. And right now, if its THEE feature to have. Play star citizen. Oh wait its not a MMO. Yea cus doing stuff like having 2000 people walking around in mass is easy as pie program. WoW and co have shards, servers and now phases because their servers simply can't do it. Why would ccp be able to? Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 31703	Posted - 2015.06.10 10:43:37 - [38] - Quote Saw the title and expected it to be a Carrie-Anne Moss thread. Weird. Leaving without reading the OP. o/ Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
evotta Territorial Hanseatic League 5	Posted - 2015.06.10 10:58:32 - [39] - Quote This topic comes up quite often. Hopefully one day CCP will finish what they have long ago started
Pixie Tickle Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.06.10 11:00:42 - [40] - Quote ((let's see if I get this right, haven't had coffee yet)) I bought me this shirt. It looks like a long white dress! And my figure! Oh boy my figure!! Ain't I looking hot as hell??? LOOK AT HOW IMMERSED I AM! I'd looove to have WiS around so all the whiny losers storm this game and start spamming the forums with complaints about how they got ganked, cheated on and stuff stolen from because we ruin their immersion. ((please rate this post in regards to it's authenticity. Took me 10min to get it this way. Thank you - Mr. Tickle))
Scarlett Anstian An My Webed and Scrammed 28	Posted - 2015.06.10 11:13:54 - [41] - Quote DrSmegma wrote: Lena Lazair wrote: I don't think anyone but the harshest of trolls would make any real claim that WiS couldn't be an awesome addition to EVE. The trolls are right though. Nobody plays Eve because of the stations. People who like to walk around and customize their character won't play Eve just because of WiS. It's pointless. I started playing the game based on the WiS future content that was discussed. It sounded pretty cool and yes lots of others games will have WiS so lets not pretend its because CCP can't do it. More the case that some vocal players dont want it. They dont like change and complain about everything anyway. "CCP needs to fix space first", well lets be honest no one will ever be 100% happy so just let CCP do their stuff and moan later. Everyone is too reluctant for change but how does it really effect you? Sure the money spent developing it would take away from others areas for a while but so what. Let them make their game and lets see how it turns out. I agree completely that there is major disparity between the game lore and how the game is played. I feel like I need to search high and low to find scraps of info about the lore as I havent read the chronicles. More effort needs to be made to show everyone how great it is and WiS is the way to do it.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 377	Posted - 2015.06.10 11:22:52 - [42] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: . It sounded pretty cool and yes lots of others games will have WiS so lets not pretend its because CCP can't do it. More the case that some vocal players dont want it. They dont like change and complain about everything anyway. No they don't. Even WoW doesn't get close to what eve would need for WiS. Star Citizen is not really even a MMO. Getting 2000 people or more to walk around in a single station is not trivial. In fact the standard way right now to deal with that is to run shards/phases and of course you have different non interacting "realms" between sections of the station. So happens when your 100 man corp docks? you all even up in the same station yet can't see each other.... And yet why? for what? what does it add to eve? If you want to sit on a space toilet with a few dozen people per server, go play star lamo... Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 475	Posted - 2015.06.10 11:23:55 - [43] - Quote WiS is a logical extension - without it, Internet spaceships will wither and stagnate, as can be seen now. I think non-Eve projects didn't pay off in the end, so here we are. DUST, however, can be truly linked to EVE via WiS. Welcome back, CCP. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Argyle Jones Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 35	Posted - 2015.06.10 11:32:52 - [44] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Cyborg Girl86 wrote: ... If anyone has any objections feel free to post them, ... The current direction of making everything lifeless and dull, default ship skins, Neocom, et cetera. I would rather WiS creation is postponed until the development direction changes. I feel exactly the opposite. I'd much rather that CCP returned to their more visionary way of thinking. EVE would never have existed in the first place, if they'd been listening to all the nay-sayers and the nit-pickers, but it seems to me that that's what they've been doing ever since the first 'burn Jita' event. What we're getting now is small, incremental changes, minor improvements and the occasional overhaul of already existing features, be it industry/sov/etc. When's the last time CCP came out with something for EVE that just blew your mind? When's the last time we saw something completely new, rather than some incremental add-on or change to old content? Don't get me wrong, there was a time when EVE was in bad repair, and needed some updates, but I feel like that time has passed, and now's the time to really push for something extraordinary. I'd love to see WiS or maybe a Valkyrie tie-in to the EVE universe, or in a perfect universe both, rather than just another "fix" or "overhaul".
Kaivar Lancer Little Rat Company 613	Posted - 2015.06.10 11:36:50 - [45] - Quote Why won't CCP setup a Kickstarter / gofundme for this?
Scarlett Anstian An My Webed and Scrammed 29	Posted - 2015.06.10 11:41:33 - [46] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: Scarlett Anstian wrote: . It sounded pretty cool and yes lots of others games will have WiS so lets not pretend its because CCP can't do it. More the case that some vocal players dont want it. They dont like change and complain about everything anyway. No they don't. Even WoW doesn't get close to what eve would need for WiS. Star Citizen is not really even a MMO. Getting 2000 people or more to walk around in a single station is not trivial. In fact the standard way right now to deal with that is to run shards/phases and of course you have different non interacting "realms" between sections of the station. So happens when your 100 man corp docks? you all even up in the same station yet can't see each other.... And yet why? for what? what does it add to eve? If you want to sit on a space toilet with a few dozen people per server, go play star lamo... So just because you can't imagine how it would work it won't? Please, its 2015 its doable for a company like CCP. But you don't want it to work so everything is unobtainable. Its not constructive or helpful to say "go play star lamo" etc to people that came to play this game based on CCP's vision for the future. That future included WiS, bars, clubs, shops, industry and corp spaces to chill with friends etc. So don't tell me to go play something else just because you are stuck in the past. I love spaceships and I love this game which is why I play, WiS is a part of that. Right now its in dire need of some love.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 1172	Posted - 2015.06.10 11:53:47 - [47] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: Let them make their game and lets see how it turns out. We did, and we have. And the fact that the fruit of that is not sufficient for even you (as someone who wants WiS), because you are here asking for more, should be a stronger indication of the problem than anything we say to you. We have WiS. It's here, it's released, and it's utter, unforgivable crap. If CCP had the ability to satisfy your dreams, this arguement would be moot, because we would have it, sitting there in game. Instead they gave us what they were capable of, and its so far removed from the vision that you are talking as if it doesn't exist.
Alpheias Euphoria Released Triumvirate. 8776	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:09:42 - [48] - Quote As a core concept, WiS is still a very cool idea but the EVE community has already given enough reasons as to why WiS shouldn't be added to EVE. But having said that, CCP should salvage what they can from WoD and reshape WiS into a single-player RPG set in the EVE universe. People who want the WiS experience gets one, people who don't want to play EVE get a experience in the EVE universe and CCP gets to have a new game on the market. Everybody wins! \o/ Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord. Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25278	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:10:27 - [49] - Quote Pro: GÇó It would be neat in a couple of vague, undefined, and non-general ways. Contra: GÇó The cost:benefit ratio approaches infinity. There. That covers pretty much all of it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Scarlett Anstian An My Webed and Scrammed 29	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:13:04 - [50] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: Scarlett Anstian wrote: Let them make their game and lets see how it turns out. We did, and we have. And the fact that the fruit of that is not sufficient for even you (as someone who wants WiS), because you are here asking for more, should be a stronger indication of the problem than anything we say to you. We have WiS. It's here, it's released, and it's utter, unforgivable crap. If CCP had the ability to satisfy your dreams, this arguement would be moot, because we would have it, sitting there in game. Instead they gave us what they were capable of, and its so far removed from the vision that you are talking as if it doesn't exist. Yes it doesn't exist in its current capacity but that doesn't mean it can't. What we have currently is not the grand scope and vision they had for WiS so yes I am asking for more but I pay to play this game still and I love it. Just want CCP to flesh it out a bit, not saying they should pour all their time and resources into it but at least give it a bit of loving every expansion until its up to scratch. There are many things in the game which have been worked on, improved and balanced to bring us what we have today. More time spent on WiS is only a good thing as its here and its here to stay so let's bring it up to scratch with the rest of the game.
Scarlett Anstian An My Webed and Scrammed 29	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:14:11 - [51] - Quote Tippia wrote: Pro: GÇó It would be neat in a couple of vague, undefined, and non-general ways. Contra: GÇó The cost:benefit ratio approaches infinity. There. That covers pretty much all of it. Well arent you smart and clever, thanks for the input.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25278	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:15:27 - [52] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: Well arent you smart and clever Yes. Everything beyond those points is largely pointless at this point. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Scarlett Anstian An My Webed and Scrammed 29	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:17:29 - [53] - Quote Tippia wrote: Scarlett Anstian wrote: Well arent you smart and clever Yes. Everything beyond those points is largely pointless at this point. Those werent points at all, in fact you pretty much said nothing. You must be one of those people that has to post in every thread even if you have nothing to say or contribute. Great for you have a blast on the forum but if its pointless discussing this for you then simply don't.
Pops Tickle Tickle Industries 7	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:21:17 - [54] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: Tippia wrote: Scarlett Anstian wrote: Well arent you smart and clever Yes. Everything beyond those points is largely pointless at this point. Those werent points at all, in fact you pretty much said nothing. You must be one of those people that has to post in every thread even if you have nothing to say or contribute. Great for you have a blast on the forum but if its pointless discussing this for you then simply don't. They were points. You could at least try to understand them or ask. I understand that many people are against it, but being ignorant simply because it opposes your viewpoint is not what a discussion should be about. Ask and you shall receive or ignore and face opposition. CCP Rise wrote: "We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed." Source
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25280	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:23:18 - [55] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: Those werent points at all Yes they were GÇö just not the points you were hoping for. It's a 100% accurate and fully inclusive answer to your question. Your fundamental problem is that you're not adding anything remotely relevant or interesting that will alter the debate on WiS. Until you do, this thread falls entirely in line with those two points (hell, it did so in less than 5 posts). The remaining time will just be spent with everyone GÇö including you GÇö proving this one more time, with one party desperately trying to convince you of this indisputable fact and the other party desperately trying to dispute it anyway. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Scarlett Anstian An My Webed and Scrammed 29	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:23:48 - [56] - Quote Pops Tickle wrote: They were points. You could at least try to understand them or ask. I understand that many people are against it, but being ignorant simply because it opposes your viewpoint is not what a discussion should be about. Ask and you shall receive or ignore and face opposition. Funny that you didn't clarify then
Alpheias Euphoria Released Triumvirate. 8776	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:24:48 - [57] - Quote gets the popcorn Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord. Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Pops Tickle Tickle Industries 7	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:30:25 - [58] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: Pops Tickle wrote: They were points. You could at least try to understand them or ask. I understand that many people are against it, but being ignorant simply because it opposes your viewpoint is not what a discussion should be about. Ask and you shall receive or ignore and face opposition. Funny that you didn't clarify then You quoted the wrong person? I tried pointing out that you are not helping yourself by being ignorant of what other people say. I have no personal opinion on the matter. I can adjust my character's viewpoints accordingly. Pixie, for example, is no fan of it at all and would abuse the features to exploit players, while Luxy would love to have a more personal way to approach others. I have picked role-players from the forums as role models for them. If you want clarification, ask the one who brought them up. CCP Rise wrote: "We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed." Source
Satan's Spawn Satan's Enterprises 16	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:32:40 - [59] - Quote Lena Lazair wrote: Cyborg Girl86 wrote: Hello everyone! Yes I know this is probably a topic that has been beaten to death, but I've done a lot of research on it from other sources and have played a ton of different MMO's and I would just like to make the argument for Walking in Stations and how it could be of benefit to the game. If anyone has any objections feel free to post them, this is a discussion and I'm well aware other people won't share my point of view. I don't think anyone but the harshest of trolls would make any real claim that WiS couldn't be an awesome addition to EVE. The problem is that CCP does not have infinite budget and developer resources, so it's not really a question of how interesting WIS would be on its own merits. It's a question of priorities, and how much WiS couild add to the EVE experience for the cost vs all the other space-shippy-things CCP could be spending their time doing. And put in context and taken out of the vacuum, it becomes evident that a huge portion of the player-base would rather see CCP focusing their limited resource pool on improving the core game that includes spaceships as I think most people feel it's a better experience/cost return. The real missed opportunity, I think, is that while CCP apparently had money and devs to burn on WoD and Dust415, they COULD have instead burned those resources on a WiS addon/module/whatever for EVE, but didn't. I can't imagine they would have gone through the money any faster, and couldn't possibly be in a worse place for it than they are now. Too late for that now though... they could cut the budget on re-designing the graphics in game, and add that to the WiS budget for starters. Plus the tonnes of other 're-work-that-isn't-needed' stuff to boot. Is a massive missed opportunity. Wouldbn't change the existing game format that we love so much, at all. but it would add a massive dynamic addition game that is 'directly' related to it.
Satan's Spawn Satan's Enterprises 16	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:35:17 - [60] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: Scarlett Anstian wrote: . It sounded pretty cool and yes lots of others games will have WiS so lets not pretend its because CCP can't do it. More the case that some vocal players dont want it. They dont like change and complain about everything anyway. No they don't. Even WoW doesn't get close to what eve would need for WiS. Star Citizen is not really even a MMO. Getting 2000 people or more to walk around in a single station is not trivial. In fact the standard way right now to deal with that is to run shards/phases and of course you have different non interacting "realms" between sections of the station. So happens when your 100 man corp docks? you all even up in the same station yet can't see each other.... And yet why? for what? what does it add to eve? If you want to sit on a space toilet with a few dozen people per server, go play star lamo... is there that much difference between 100 ships on grid with moving parts, and 100 people in a room?
Scarlett Anstian An My Webed and Scrammed 29	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:35:28 - [61] - Quote Pops Tickle wrote: Scarlett Anstian wrote: Pops Tickle wrote: They were points. You could at least try to understand them or ask. I understand that many people are against it, but being ignorant simply because it opposes your viewpoint is not what a discussion should be about. Ask and you shall receive or ignore and face opposition. Funny that you didn't clarify then You quoted the wrong person? I tried pointing out that you are not helping yourself by being ignorant of what other people say. I have no personal opinion on the matter. I can adjust my character's viewpoints accordingly. Pixie, for example, is no fan of it at all and would abuse the features to exploit players, while Luxy would love to have a more personal way to approach others. I have picked role-players from the forums as role models for them. If you want clarification, ask the one who brought them up. If I am ignorant of what people say, its because they never said it in the first place. Hence my comment. I didn't quote the wrong person I was quoting you for a reason. You shouldn't be ignorant of that reason so I will clarify. The reason I quoted you was because you said it was easy to understand the points so it was rather funny that you didn't even say what they were. I don't roleplay I am a human at a computer with a viewpoint which I am expressing via this forum post.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25280	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:45:28 - [62] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: If I am ignorant of what people say, its because they never said it in the first place. GÇªor, as in this case, because you haven't been paying attention or done any research on the matter. Whether it's wilful or not remains to be seen, but a worrying trend is starting to appear hereGÇª Quote: The reason I quoted you was because you said it was easy to understand the points No, he didn't. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Scarlett Anstian An My Webed and Scrammed 29	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:49:24 - [63] - Quote Tippia wrote: Scarlett Anstian wrote: If I am ignorant of what people say, its because they never said it in the first place. GÇªor, as in this case, because you haven't been paying attention or done any research on the matter. Whether it's wilful or not remains to be seen, but a worrying trend is starting to appear hereGÇª Quote: The reason I quoted you was because you said it was easy to understand the points No, he didn't. Or because you spend so much time on the forums you have seen this brought up a dozen or so times you can't be bothered to explain clearly and concisely what it is you have to say and instead just come out with jibberish? Quote: They were points. I said they weren't. EDIT: Oh and by research I guess you mean reading every forum topic on WiS? No I havent, clearly you spend a lot more time here than I do. I play the game, that's research enough for me to have and express a viewpoint. If the argument is tired and old for you then perhaps you should ignore this thread and move on.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25280	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:55:37 - [64] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: Or because you spend so much time on the forums you have seen this brought up a dozen or so times So what you're saying is that you're ignorant of what people say, not because it hasn't been said, but because you haven't been paying attention or done any research on the matter. After all, it's a topic where the historical threadnoughts are pretty trivial to find. Even the OP seems to be familiar with the history of the topic, whereas you choose to ignore it for some unconceivable reason, and instead choose to get upset when people tell you that you're not adding anything to the conversation GÇö something you should already know. Quote: I said they weren't. What you said doesn't change what he said, nor does putting words in his mouth. He gave you a piece of advice, and you'd be well advised to follow it unless you want that worrying trend to continueGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Scarlett Anstian An My Webed and Scrammed 35	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:05:19 - [65] - Quote Tippia wrote: Scarlett Anstian wrote: Or because you spend so much time on the forums you have seen this brought up a dozen or so times So what you're saying is that you're ignorant of what people say, not because it hasn't been said, but because you haven't been paying attention or done any research on the matter. After all, it's a topic where the historical threadnoughts are pretty trivial to find. Even the OP seems to be familiar with the history of the topic, whereas you choose to ignore it for some unconceivable reason, and instead choose to get upset when people tell you that you're not adding anything to the conversation GÇö something you should already know. Quote: I play the game, that's research enough for me to have and express a viewpoint GÇªbut not to add anything relevant to the conversation. That's why you need to actually do the research first, or people will just dismiss you as flogging a dead horse. Quote: I said they weren't. What you said doesn't change what he said, nor does putting words in his mouth. He gave you a piece of advice, and you'd be well advised to follow it unless you want that worrying trend to continueGÇª No I didn't search through the forums to find every comment ever said about WiS and I don't think anyone needs to. Likewise I could say to you that you are ignorant for not looking up my post history to see every comment I have made in a WiS thread but that would be fruitless and not worth bringing up. This is a new topic and if its left open by the moderators then its clear that we can contribute new information to the discussion. Seems to me like you were never interested in discussing it in the first place hence your poorly explained post. I have added something relevant to the discussion by saying its still worth CCP working on. Anyone here should be free to post and express their views without fear of saying something that has been said before because we don't all sit with 25,000 likes bemoaning old arguments. How about you just stay away from the thread if it doesn't interest you? You may dismiss me as flogging a dead horse but please don't try and speak for everyone because you aren't that special dear. Sorry now I sound upset when I really am not, but I am sure you won't believe that so enjoy the fake tears.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 379	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:13:08 - [66] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: So just because you can't imagine how it would work it won't? Please, its 2015 its doable for a company like CCP. No amount of imagination make something the way you want it. CCP imagined a awesome epic WiS. Yea that didn't work out so well. For every MMO out there there are 10 that failed that imagined amazing things... Sooner or later imagination hits reality. Yea this sort of thing is my day job. Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 481	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:14:56 - [67] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: Scarlett Anstian wrote: So just because you can't imagine how it would work it won't? Please, its 2015 its doable for a company like CCP. No amount of imagination make something the way you want it. CCP imagined a awesome epic WiS. Yea that didn't work out so well. For every MMO out there there are 10 that failed that imagined amazing things... Try to understand why that didn't happen to be awesome, or be at all, rather. The base and most intricate avatar creation & detailing system is there. They didn't go further. Did they say it was due to technical limitations? I don't recall reading that. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 379	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:17:21 - [68] - Quote Satan's Spawn wrote: is there that much difference between 100 ships on grid with moving parts, and 100 people in a room? Yes in the current form of eve with 1 sec server ticks. This would be unbearable with First person interactions. Other interactions and stuff are harder as well. Since local geometry is more important and typically a bigger server burden. Don't get me wrong. It could be done. But dam if WoW started using phasing to fix their performance issues when they make billions, i think it pays not to underestimated the difficulty of the task for a company much smaller than Blizzard. Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 581	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:23:51 - [69] - Quote I would really love WiS ... that in a squad wearing my armor suit, a riffle and fighting my way to the core to take over station control. I'm my own NPC alt.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 3584	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:23:54 - [70] - Quote reads thread about WiS checks for the usual trolls, trolling as usual sighs It's been 8 years since the original plans for Ambulation. It's about to be 4 years since Incarnageddon. WiS was the future. Now EVE no longer haves a future, rather a ongoing present attempting to replay the past with Apochrypha 2.0 (New zero security space. And this time you're meant to colonize it. It worked in 2009, so why take any chances?) All pros and cons of WiS have been said many times. So I'll try to summarize it in a single sentence: EVE with WiS would be a different EVE, and CCP is no longer attempting that. 73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 482	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:27:55 - [71] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: Satan's Spawn wrote: is there that much difference between 100 ships on grid with moving parts, and 100 people in a room? Yes in the current form of eve with 1 sec server ticks. This would be unbearable with First person interactions. Other interactions and stuff are harder as well. Since local geometry is more important and typically a bigger server burden. Don't get me wrong. It could be done. But dam if WoW started using phasing to fix their performance issues when they make billions, i think it pays not to underestimated the difficulty of the task for a company much smaller than Blizzard. This is a topic about civilian WiS - instances fixes everything. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25284	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:36:11 - [72] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: No I didn't search through the forums to find every comment ever said about WiS No-one is asking you to. You simply need to look at the broad strokes of the large threads, and especially the ones with dev statments in them. Quote: This is a new topic and if its left open by the moderators then its clear that we can contribute new information to the discussion. No, it's just a new thread on a very old and very tried topic where nothing new has come up in many years GÇö hence the reason it can be abbreviated into the two points mentioned. Until something new is actually added, those two points remain accurate and comprehensive. Quote: I have added something relevant to the discussion by saying its still worth CCP working on. Not really, no. GankYou wrote: Try to understand why that didn't happen to be awesome, or be at all, rather. The base and most intricate avatar creation & detailing system is there. They didn't go further. Did they say it was due to technical limitations? I don't recall reading that. It happened and was awesome, but they threw it away. Then they did it again. And againGÇª They kept increasing or altering the scope to just beyond what they were capable of delivering on a performance and gameplay standpoint until they had lost all the money invested and could no longer rely on their main source of income to maintain it. Technical limitations were part of it; money was part of it; and good-will was part of it. Funnily[?] enough, the first public demo in 2008 was probably their best bet and seemed to deliver what most people wanted (most notably multi-avatar interaction), except for one thing: it didn't have the flash CCP required for WoD. Had they stuck with that, we would have had full WiS with ageing graphics (that might be worth upgrading) now, rather than a tech-demo with ageing graphics and no value or redeeming qualities to warrant an upgrade. These days, the technical limitations may be ever so slightly behind us, but instead the building blocks have become old and crusty and not all that good a foundation for anything any more. This means they have to lower their aim, re-build a lot from scratch (again), and yet somehow convince a slowly dwindling community that this time it'll work, if people suspend their wish for constant improvement just one more timeGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 482	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:38:18 - [73] - Quote Tippia wrote: It happened and was awesome, but they threw it away. Then they did it again. And againGÇª They kept increasing or altering the scope to just beyond what they were capable of delivering on a performance and gameplay standpoint until they had lost all the money invested and could no longer rely on their main source of income to maintain it. Technical limitations were part of it; money was part of it; and good-will was part of it. Explain. Was interaction between several players in the same room available at any point? I was AFK then. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25285	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:47:37 - [74] - Quote GankYou wrote: Explain. What interaction between several players in the same room available at any point? I was AFK then. If you watch the old 2008 presentations (here, here, and here), you'll notice that the environments are more complex and expansive and GÇö most importantly GÇö contain several avatars at once. How well that would scale with actual players controlling them is up for grabs, as would the issue of having everyone in the same place at the same time, but the demo allowed for something the Incarna engine simply could not do at launch: run multiple avatars in one scene. The hands-on demo that we were allowed to play with at FF2008 was, if not spectacularly fast, then at least in working order in this one crucial regard. The rest, as you say, can be done with some intelligent form of instancing (which matters less in the type of environment WiS was supposed to offer, as opposed to open space). Later peeks at WoD suggested that they might have overcome that, but by then it was too late. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11331	Posted - 2015.06.10 13:49:39 - [75] - Quote Cyborg Girl86 wrote: +1 From me Very well said and some good points brought up by everyone else here. I can see now why it would be much better for CCP to focus on the game's strengths and core gane mechanics. I'm pretty convinced and now feel the same way as the "against WiS" crowd. One of the best ways to survive is to adapt and change one's point of views after some convincing I suppose. This post right here demonstrates that you are superior to at least 97.8% of humanity For me WiS is something I could take or leave, I play other games that allow for 'walking around' (SWTOR, Star Trek Online) and it's no big deal, no great thing either. I can walk in real life, what I can't do in real life is fly a faster than life space ship, and one of the best things about EVE for me (and I'll risk speaking for others and say that there are at least a few people like me in EVE) is that it's FOCUSED on what it's about (spaceships), almost in the way that World of Tanks is focused on the Tanks (and yep, what happens here happens to them too lol) One of the biggest reason for such staunch resistance to WiS stuff isn't just the past, it's the concepts fans. As has been said in this thread, this issue comes up like the Elvis and Tupac sightings every few weeks/months and the WiS concept's sycophantic followers come out of the wood work, still failing to understand that their activism turns of many a potential supporter.. Hell, in the last big WiS discussion, people were talking about having 'hanger briefings (like this is Wing Commander lol) or simply sitting in a station watching a sun set or moon rise... The WiS community being slightly less looney would go a long way towards building a community consensus on the issue.
Pops Tickle Tickle Industries 8	Posted - 2015.06.10 14:27:16 - [76] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: Pops Tickle wrote: Scarlett Anstian wrote: Pops Tickle wrote: They were points. You could at least try to understand them or ask. I understand that many people are against it, but being ignorant simply because it opposes your viewpoint is not what a discussion should be about. Ask and you shall receive or ignore and face opposition. Funny that you didn't clarify then You quoted the wrong person? I tried pointing out that you are not helping yourself by being ignorant of what other people say. I have no personal opinion on the matter. I can adjust my character's viewpoints accordingly. Pixie, for example, is no fan of it at all and would abuse the features to exploit players, while Luxy would love to have a more personal way to approach others. I have picked role-players from the forums as role models for them. If you want clarification, ask the one who brought them up. If I am ignorant of what people say, its because they never said it in the first place. Hence my comment. I didn't quote the wrong person I was quoting you for a reason. You shouldn't be ignorant of that reason so I will clarify. The reason I quoted you was because you said it was easy to understand the points so it was rather funny that you didn't even say what they were. I don't roleplay I am a human at a computer with a viewpoint which I am expressing via this forum post. I never said it's easy. It's essential to take time to read, think about and understand other people's posts. You do not do so, thus I will not dignify your drivel with further responses. Please take my post as a hint and a sign that you could improve your behaviour. CCP Rise wrote: "We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed." Source
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 391	Posted - 2015.06.10 15:09:27 - [77] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Saw the title and expected it to be a Carrie-Anne Moss thread. Weird. Leaving without reading the OP. o/ Don't leave just yet ... CA Moss is hidden in the topic and posted a piece of her common nonsense.
Cyborg Girl86 Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2015.06.10 15:26:49 - [78] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Cyborg Girl86 wrote: +1 From me Very well said and some good points brought up by everyone else here. I can see now why it would be much better for CCP to focus on the game's strengths and core gane mechanics. I'm pretty convinced and now feel the same way as the "against WiS" crowd. One of the best ways to survive is to adapt and change one's point of views after some convincing I suppose. This post right here demonstrates that you are superior to at least 97.8% of humanity For me WiS is something I could take or leave, I play other games that allow for 'walking around' (SWTOR, Star Trek Online) and it's no big deal, no great thing either. I can walk in real life, what I can't do in real life is fly a faster than life space ship, and one of the best things about EVE for me (and I'll risk speaking for others and say that there are at least a few people like me in EVE) is that it's FOCUSED on what it's about (spaceships), almost in the way that World of Tanks is focused on the Tanks (and yep, what happens here happens to them too lol) One of the biggest reason for such staunch resistance to WiS stuff isn't just the past, it's the concepts fans. As has been said in this thread, this issue comes up like the Elvis and Tupac sightings every few weeks/months and the WiS concept's sycophantic followers come out of the wood work, still failing to understand that their activism turns of many a potential supporter.. Hell, in the last big WiS discussion, people were talking about having 'hanger briefings (like this is Wing Commander lol) or simply sitting in a station watching a sun set or moon rise... The WiS community being slightly less looney would go a long way towards building a community consensus on the issue. Thanks for the compliment! I must admit, WiS is still something that deep down I would love to eventually see, but after reading the well-constructed posts by some of those who are against it, I'm happy to settle with the game without it. Its not my job nor in my interests to start some crazy crusade to make it a reality while pissing off a lot of people. I like to avoid conflict, unless I'm being shot at while in my ship in space
Di Mulle 98	Posted - 2015.06.10 15:42:01 - [79] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: [quote=DrSmegma Sure the money spent developing it would take away from others areas for a while but so what.. Meaning money spent on WIS. "Sure the money spent developing it would take away from others areas for a while but so what" Now I mean money spent on a spacegame, which takes money away from a WIS. So what. Sure we are establishing a nice way to present our points, don't we ? `<<Insert some waste of screen space here>>`
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3442	Posted - 2015.06.10 16:02:45 - [80] - Quote CCP has been "fixing the core game" now for several years. The result? Concurrent user count is typically lower than just after Incarna. It has not worked. CCP needs some balance here. WiS is an incomplete, broken feature. Just like all other incomplete, broken features, it needs to be fixed and completed in parallel with the other work. Oddly, the last WiS related thread was titled "drinking in stations". It was a fairly popular thread, with quite a bit of support. I think we need "Drinking and gambling in stations." It would not allow you to shoot other players, but it would be funny to see someone gamble away their Titian. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Sibyyl Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 25542	Posted - 2015.06.10 16:06:13 - [81] - Quote Jenn, stop spreading your lies. Tupac and Biggy aren't dead. Lights will guide you home And ignite your bones
Commissar Kate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 404009	Posted - 2015.06.10 16:07:27 - [82] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Oddly, the last WiS related thread was titled "drinking in stations". It was a fairly popular thread, with quite a bit of support. I think we need "Drinking and gambling in stations." It would not allow you to shoot other players, but it would be funny to see someone gamble away their Titian. lol, The point of that thread was to have some fun and to poke fun at another WiS thread more than anything else. But I'm happy that someone remembered it! -k8 My Faclub
DaReaper Net 7 2189	Posted - 2015.06.10 16:13:37 - [83] - Quote WiS could add gameplay elements that people might use, but not quite how they think. If ccp was to really redo walking in stations, they need to kill incarnia and rebuild ambulation. If you have no idea what ambulation was, try and find the presentation from fan fest 2007. But for now, wis is dead, untill space gets stable, because lets face it, it will never be fixed. I still want ccp to do the 2014 vision, and combine all games into one platform, with easy of switching between them, to compete with other games that are coming. and no, not just Scam citizen. As i said, ccp needs to make the eve player care, becuase if we do, even a ****** ccp game could succeed. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3444	Posted - 2015.06.10 16:32:20 - [84] - Quote Commissar Kate wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: Oddly, the last WiS related thread was titled "drinking in stations". It was a fairly popular thread, with quite a bit of support. I think we need "Drinking and gambling in stations." It would not allow you to shoot other players, but it would be funny to see someone gamble away their Titian. lol, The point of that thread was to have some fun and to poke fun at another WiS thread more than anything else. But I'm happy that someone remembered it! The thing is, it actually showed the path to having some content in WiS, content that links to the rest of the game. That's what is needed to have a viable reason to get WiS fixed and completed. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 483	Posted - 2015.06.10 16:45:37 - [85] - Quote Tippia wrote: GankYou wrote: Explain. What interaction between several players in the same room available at any point? I was AFK then. If you watch the old 2008 presentations (here, here, and here), you'll notice that the environments are more complex and expansive and GÇö most importantly GÇö contain several avatars at once. How well that would scale with actual players controlling them is up for grabs, as would the issue of having everyone in the same place at the same time, but the demo allowed for something the Incarna engine simply could not do at launch: run multiple avatars in one scene. The hands-on demo that we were allowed to play with at FF2008 was, if not spectacularly fast, then at least in working order in this one crucial regard. The rest, as you say, can be done with some intelligent form of instancing (which matters less in the type of environment WiS was supposed to offer, as opposed to open space). Later peeks at WoD suggested that they might have overcome that, but by then it was too late. I'll watch the presentations later, but it looks like they were done on the old avatar engine. There's also no need to upvote your own posts with alts. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25298	Posted - 2015.06.10 16:54:48 - [86] - Quote GankYou wrote: I'll watch the presentations later, but it looks like they were done on the old avatar engine. Of course. That was before the infinite rewrite culture took hold, and when what was available was good enough (but GÇ£good enoughGÇ¥ was itself not good enough for releaseGÇª). I can't quite remember if the idea of Carbon code sharing had come up by then, but it's entirely possible that its casual-interaction style turned out to be unsuited for the kind of core engine role that was required for WoD. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11334	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:04:14 - [87] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: CCP has been "fixing the core game" now for several years. The result? Concurrent user count is typically lower than just after Incarna. I don't know why people stick on this, but I would surmise that these were the same people who believed that "EVE Online has 500,000 "players" when CCP kept saying that in 2012. No one outside of CCP know how many real people play (and even they might not know), 'concurrent user count" doesn't count users it count logged on accounts, and CCP made a whole bunch of changes that made Alts less necessary (like multiple character training) and less useful (jump fatigue nerfing individual player independence making cyno alts redundant). Add to that people shedding accounts as PLEX rise and you get a picture that CCPs old statement of "2.2 alts per player" probably decreased. For all anyone outside of CCP knows, the amount of 'real players' of EVE online could have gone up (probably hasn't), but the fact is we don't and can't know, concurrent user count tells us very little.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11334	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:05:32 - [88] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Jenn, stop spreading your lies. Tupac and Biggy aren't dead. I saw Tupac on 42nd street selling Biggie T-Shirts 2 for 10 dollars!
DaReaper Net 7 2190	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:03:35 - [89] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: CCP has been "fixing the core game" now for several years. The result? Concurrent user count is typically lower than just after Incarna. I don't know why people stick on this, but I would surmise that these were the same people who believed that "EVE Online has 500,000 "players" when CCP kept saying that in 2012. No one outside of CCP know how many real people play (and even they might not know), 'concurrent user count" doesn't count users it count logged on accounts, and CCP made a whole bunch of changes that made Alts less necessary (like multiple character training) and less useful (jump fatigue nerfing individual player independence making cyno alts redundant). Add to that people shedding accounts as PLEX rise and you get a picture that CCPs old statement of "2.2 alts per player" probably decreased. For all anyone outside of CCP knows, the amount of 'real players' of EVE online could have gone up (probably hasn't), but the fact is we don't and can't know, concurrent user count tells us very little. about all we know form someone who did an artical is ccp did shead some money last year, there rev was down i think 5m for the year or soemthing OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Memphis Baas 448	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:13:55 - [90] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: For all anyone outside of CCP knows, the amount of 'real players' of EVE online could have gone up (probably hasn't), but the fact is we don't and can't know, concurrent user count tells us very little. Chribba's eve-offline.net is useless, might as well turn it off.
Pops Tickle Tickle Industries 11	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:17:19 - [91] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: For all anyone outside of CCP knows, the amount of 'real players' of EVE online could have gone up (probably hasn't), but the fact is we don't and can't know, concurrent user count tells us very little. Chribba's eve-offline.net is useless, might as well turn it off. On the contrary. It is extremely useful to determine if there are any server-side issues. It might lack accuracy regarding the server's population, but your statement was not limited to that. CCP Rise wrote: "We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed." Source
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11334	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:42:17 - [92] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: CCP has been "fixing the core game" now for several years. The result? Concurrent user count is typically lower than just after Incarna. I don't know why people stick on this, but I would surmise that these were the same people who believed that "EVE Online has 500,000 "players" when CCP kept saying that in 2012. No one outside of CCP know how many real people play (and even they might not know), 'concurrent user count" doesn't count users it count logged on accounts, and CCP made a whole bunch of changes that made Alts less necessary (like multiple character training) and less useful (jump fatigue nerfing individual player independence making cyno alts redundant). Add to that people shedding accounts as PLEX rise and you get a picture that CCPs old statement of "2.2 alts per player" probably decreased. For all anyone outside of CCP knows, the amount of 'real players' of EVE online could have gone up (probably hasn't), but the fact is we don't and can't know, concurrent user count tells us very little. about all we know form someone who did an artical is ccp did shead some money last year, there rev was down i think 5m for the year or soemthing That suggests CCP received less revenue, but tells us nothing about how many play at any given time, how many people shed alt accounts due to changes, how many fewer store purchases there were etc. Could mean a lot of things, only one of which is fewer actual players.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 543	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:58:29 - [93] - Quote Why can't CCP just give us some WiS little things? Each time I walk in station I want to see face and body of other enemies docked in station, but right now I have to click each one on the guest list and then "show portrait" or "show full body". This is too boring. It would be easier if we just had a special window where we could browse through all the characters' bodies and clothes instantly, even maybe undress them some of the clothing pieces if we think they look better that way. There's so many capsuleers out there that lack a sense of style and wear so many ratchet threads. Maybe add a cool flashy ambient in the "show full body" scene too because that grey background gets old really fast and doesnt help the mood. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25298	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:06:08 - [94] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Why can't CCP just give us some WiS little things? [GÇª] maybe undress them some of the clothing pieces That's why. Also, because there are no GÇ£little thingsGÇ¥ that sit in the way of making it a good and fully-functioning feature. There's no point in adding little things if there is no thing there to add them to. It's a non-system. Oh, and it's 50/50 chance that it has joined the pantheon of legacy code that no-one knows how to work with any more. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 16520	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:16:10 - [95] - Quote Oh look, it's this thread again. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11336	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:18:59 - [96] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Oh look, it's this thread again. The content might be the same, but the author isn't, he was asking an honest question.
DaReaper Net 7 2190	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:29:42 - [97] - Quote Tippia wrote: raven666wings wrote: Why can't CCP just give us some WiS little things? [GÇª] maybe undress them some of the clothing pieces That's why. Also, because there are no GÇ£little thingsGÇ¥ that sit in the way of making it a good and fully-functioning feature. There's no point in adding little things if there is no thing there to add them to. It's a non-system. Oh, and it's 50/50 chance that it has joined the pantheon of legacy code that no-one knows how to work with any more. this alone is why if i was hilmar i would of set asides a few devs to start a complete reworking of eve, eve 2, then switch eve over to that when complete. But i'm not ccp ceo. so meh. the other way is how they are doing it, one toe at a time OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 485	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:32:14 - [98] - Quote Tippia wrote: raven666wings wrote: Why can't CCP just give us some WiS little things? [GÇª] maybe undress them some of the clothing pieces That's why. Also, because there are no GÇ£little thingsGÇ¥ that sit in the way of making it a good and fully-functioning feature. There's no point in adding little things if there is no thing there to add them to. It's a non-system. It looks like a fully-functioning avatar system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iu4iekX3WE The Door just stays closed. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
chaos666wraith Cyber Chaos Crew 61	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:35:50 - [99] - Quote Hello meatbags, I have come once again to remind you what real EVE developers have to say about this matter because your memory seems to have been wiped or corrupted once more: CCP t0rfifrans wrote: Saying that EVE is just about spaceships, is a bit like saying that phones should only be about making voice phone calls one on one with other people. Indeed they did start out like that, but as technology evolved, they become something much bigger. We hope you guys stay with us long enough for that dream to materialize. For future visions please watch this video I have stored in my Solid State Drive. Be well. CyberChaosCrewTV Saying that EVE is just about spaceships, is a bit like saying that phones should only be about making voice phone calls one on one with other people.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 485	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:47:26 - [100] - Quote EVE truly can be that much more - the people responsible know it all too well, they just were AFK for some time. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25300	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:57:17 - [101] - Quote chaos666wraith wrote: Hello meatbags, I have come once again to remind you what real EVE developers have to say about this matter because your memory seems to have been wiped or corrupted once more: CCP Bayesian wrote: Team Avatar doesn't exist anymore. As per the thread linked earlier our prototype has been shelved for the time being. CCP Bayesian wrote: There are a bunch of people internally still enthusiastic about creating some things to actually do as an avatar but until such time as it's a priority for our Executive Board it's not going to happen. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 21784	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:58:24 - [102] - Quote I found some links on WiS that might be relevant. Heres a good one. This one too. Good info here. South Park talked about WiS. Might be helpful. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 271	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:01:03 - [103] - Quote i think its pretty ignorant (yeah strong word used) to consider removing walking in stations, you're basically trying to force everyone to play with you, meanwhile there are players who actually enjoy the interiors while monitoring the markets and such. next thing you know when and if it gets removed. you'll go right back into the circle of endless debates trying to place blame on something else. I look at it this way, eve needs to evolve and grow up and stop all the endless debating. other games are coming far along and competition is on its way, and guess what.. They have Walking in stations.. hec you get your own Hanger for pete's sake.. you can walk around in your HANGER! oh my gosh new idea here.. but eve goes "we want to make sure no one sits in station and is forced to play with us cause we're dying numbers already and players are leaving for better games.. so force them to undock ccp.. force them to do it!".. I know there's plenty of denial with some of you but again players casual and mainstream have plenty options to go out and enjoy instead of sitting here waiting for slowpokes at ccp to figure out where they went wrong, debate about it, debate when to fix it, debate when to evolve, debate when to move forward, debate when to fix it, and lastly debate when to finally change. get with the program ccp, you guys are slow, awfully slow and you remove the walking in stations watch just how boring this game speeds up becoming. whats the point of selling gear for your avatar when in fact no one else can even share the same room with you.. whats the point of "the scope" videos when in fact you never allowed people to stand/sit in the same dang room. it just doesn't add up and welp plenty or finally waking up and departing and ending their recurring subs due to it.
Brapi Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:08:54 - [104] - Quote So, I'm new. Imagine for a second that I advocated changes to flying in spce, shooting spacey type things. -> And someone checked my killboard. Now, imagine If I wanted WiS to be implemented fully within EVE. With provision for 'common area', time limitation (make those locator agents work for you) like 1hr per day with 'let me know when s/he leaves his/her quarters' requests. War Dec active members of enemy corps can fight each other in station. You can overspend your time in station, lose your clone and it's implants and wake up at your med clone facility and need to fly back for your ship. If I said all this as a character that had spent many hours docked in a station this would be legitimate If I was saying "CCP throw all your money at PvP, don't worry my friends know my main has 99% kb efficiency on it's own sheet" from this sheet, would it not identify the attempt to derail a thread / troll the now conformist OP? I think for CCP to consider reasons for and against WiS they should consider the playerbase, absolutely. That same 'winning' playerbase is still sat with an idea of a dwindling population, despite having their choice selected as corporate output from the hosting company CCP hf. Tweetfleet Slack - 1225 Members - 421 in Lore channel. This tells you that more than a third of all players in the same chat client as CCP Devs want LORE. This forum explains that it's not worth the effort. In more advocation for WiS the number of 'loose' games out there (mainly having trouble solving avatar jumps) with healthy player bases is very large. There are many successful clones of the concept 'players log in, walk around, and interact' most of them have more PvE servers than PvP servers. Yes this kinda points to last bastion of all things pvp and holy. You'd be somewhat right, were it not for the fact that EVE is the number one Science Fiction based Game on the market. It's in a very good position in respect of ingame fighting, Valkyrie looks good at it's initial Alpha, Dust yeye sure same time as PlanetSide2 and on PSN as well, just as PS offered PS4 instead of PS3 last year and Dust is locked to PS3, we get that. Finishing WiS / EVA Relic site escalation / Dust-to-EVE avatar interaction would bring CCP hf. closer to that 'commonly idolised utopian but undeliverable vision' that would also be needed for Legion. Considering the income stream for WoD was not WoD pre-order, you can safely work from the footing that the money was there, and by attempting to branch out into vampire territory the reputed brand did not penetrate the market sufficiently to justify further expenditure. EVE would have riots where people quit if the same budget was spent on WiS, yet they say 'not a lot' in respect of WoD here. ripper in pepperonies
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 982	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:32:02 - [105] - Quote While I wouldn't mind putting the torch to orher players CQ, it's certainly not a priority either. Remove insurance.
Hal Morsh Aliastra Gallente Federation 317	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:44:43 - [106] - Quote Thank you tippia. At least I have a "no" now. Ccp should make leaving the CQ a dangerous thing if it were to ever happen, and not make every station walkable. More along the lines of only corporate headquarters placed in space can be walked around in. Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 757	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:31:38 - [107] - Quote Everyone needs to quiet down for a moment and listen up. Something far more significant than WiS discussion has occurred here. I'd like to take this opportunity to be the first to congratulate Ralph King-Griffin for his 10,000th like on the EVE forums! I am honored to say I am personally responsible for the like in question. This thread may have started as a discussion on WiS, but it will always be more important reasons. I am proud to have been a part of it. There are all our dominion Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 185	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:37:24 - [108] - Quote Looks at recent updates, looks at OP post, looks at recent updates again, shakes head and leaves...
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 272	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:44:54 - [109] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Looks at recent updates, looks at OP post, looks at recent updates again, shakes head and leaves... it took them 11 years to finally figure out that update release schedule 11 years to change the way they rolled out expansion.
molly666trillions Cyber Chaos Crew 50	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:56:40 - [110] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: Everyone needs to quiet down for a moment Just link them some VRporn I'm sure that will quiet them for a while. Regarding WiS I don't think CCP has the ballz to release it anytime soon, Many people including myself have offered them free money that would be transfered to CCP's bank account immediately upon launch but nothing was done. CyberChaosCrewTV Offering a (small) ISK bonus for doing community work in a provable way is from my personal perspective fine.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 5786	Posted - 2015.06.10 22:22:54 - [111] - Quote Removed a hilariously inappropriate link. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
molly666trillions Cyber Chaos Crew 50	Posted - 2015.06.10 22:28:39 - [112] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: Everyone needs to quiet down for a moment Just link them some VRporn, I'm sure that will quiet them for a while. Regarding WiS I don't think CCP has the ballz to release it anytime soon. Many people including myself have offered them free money that would be transferred immediately into CCP's bank account upon release but nothing was done. CyberChaosCrewTV Offering a (small) ISK bonus for doing community work in a provable way is from my personal perspective fine.
Ursula Thrace Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 353	Posted - 2015.06.10 22:51:28 - [113] - Quote OP, i see your points and where you're going, but eve is a game about internet spaceships. i have no great desire to walk around in a station and "interact" with other players. eve is a fantastic game as is and i don't feel it's needed. having said that, i have to admit that some of your descriptions of what you'd like to see implemented are enticing, but a few of them would require an insane amount of code and artwork to apply seamlessly, and i'm left wondering how much lag it would consistently introduce to each node? eve online original intro
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 13381	Posted - 2015.06.10 22:52:05 - [114] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Removed a hilariously inappropriate link. I missed it, someone message me that link. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 185	Posted - 2015.06.10 22:58:06 - [115] - Quote Ursula Thrace wrote: how much lag it would consistently introduce to each node? No lag, its completely separated from the nodes, all you get is chat and who is inside station, actione is just on the other node in EVE. Its how I understand it from dev explanations, but maybe my memory is fading. About costs, you are right, they are putting money in Valkyrie and probably other projects in VR, or even DUST on PC (very silently). http://eve-online.info/uploads/captains-quarters.jpg You can always dream about it.
Ursula Thrace Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 353	Posted - 2015.06.10 23:10:26 - [116] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Ursula Thrace wrote: how much lag it would consistently introduce to each node? No lag, its completely separated from the nodes, all you get is chat and who is inside station, actione is just on the other node in EVE. Its how I understand it from dev explanations, but maybe my memory is fading. nana, thanks for clarifying that and educating me. eve online original intro
Jenshae Chiroptera 1665	Posted - 2015.06.10 23:12:34 - [117] - Quote Argyle Jones wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Cyborg Girl86 wrote: ... If anyone has any objections feel free to post them, ... The current direction of making everything lifeless and dull, default ship skins, Neocom, et cetera. I would rather WiS creation is postponed until the development direction changes. When's the last time CCP came out with something for EVE that just blew your mind? When's the last time we saw something completely new, rather than some incremental add-on or change to old content? Point missed. I am not saying, they should never bring out WiS. I am saying that they would get it wrong if they tried right now. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Memphis Baas 449	Posted - 2015.06.10 23:28:32 - [118] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I am saying that they would get it wrong if they tried right now. Like these guys did? (the link is another space flight game that "attempted walk-in-stations too") I agree, but that's because I'm a bittervet who still clings to her "it's CCP what do you expect" point of view (it was reinforced about a month ago).
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 21790	Posted - 2015.06.11 00:19:48 - [119] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I am saying that they would get it wrong if they tried right now. Like these guys did? (the link is another space flight game that "attempted walk-in-stations too") I agree, but that's because I'm a bittervet who still clings to her "it's CCP what do you expect" point of view (it was reinforced about a month ago). Don't bring X:Afterbirth into this. There was a reason everyone downloaded the "never enter stations again" mod. The ONLY thing it got right... holographic table dancers. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 272	Posted - 2015.06.11 00:43:49 - [120] - Quote Elite PVP'ist says.. "YOU SHOULD NOT WANT WiS, YOU SHOULD ONLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR SPACESHIP!" Normal gamer says....."but I like to wear different shoes, hairstyle, socializing with other players, I like sitting on the couch, I want to RP a scope news movie date in my CQ, I want to hold a meeting with friends in my CQ and show them my fleet ships, etc" Elite PVP'ist says... "YOU SHOULD NOT WANT ANY OF THAT! THATS NOT CONTENT! YOU SHOULD UNDOCK AND FIGHT!! FIGHT! FIGHT!... BE UBER AND AWESOME LIKE ME AND PRESS THE F1 button...SCREW CQ's" Normal Gamer says.... "this place is just boring, no innovation, nothing but everyone suggest pew pew im buying a PS4 and screw this mmo..i'll go enjoy final fantasy instead" CCP says "at this time we have to lay off employee's cause revenue dried up and we cant figure out what happened" Fozzie says ... "but cloaky camping wasn't a problem," - eve closure 20XX
Tao Dolcino Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 407	Posted - 2015.06.11 01:09:40 - [121] - Quote I would have loved Walk in Station. But CCP is not competent. Maybe will i find it in another game. CCP 2015 : "Fluff is good"
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 13381	Posted - 2015.06.11 01:11:34 - [122] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Memphis Baas wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I am saying that they would get it wrong if they tried right now. Like these guys did? (the link is another space flight game that "attempted walk-in-stations too") I agree, but that's because I'm a bittervet who still clings to her "it's CCP what do you expect" point of view (it was reinforced about a month ago). Don't bring X:Afterbirth into this. There was a reason everyone downloaded the "never enter stations again" mod. The ONLY thing it got right... holographic table dancers. God, that game was an abomination. That was the first time I have ever had to test Steam's refund policy. Not just the stations part, either, the entire game was one ****** up experience after another. The controls alone warrant putting that game down for good, let alone the gamebreaking bugs, unplayable combat, unintuitive rules, and the fact that you're stuck in one freaking ship the whole game. Much like WiS itself. Decent concept, worst possible execution. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1669	Posted - 2015.06.11 01:14:58 - [123] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: Elite PVP'ist ... Elite? Fanatical. Memphis Baas wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I am saying that they would get it wrong if they tried right now. Like these guys did? (the link is another space flight game that "attempted walk-in-stations too") I agree, but that's because I'm a bittervet who still clings to her "it's CCP what do you expect" point of view (it was reinforced about a month ago). If you have an artist that is going through a long depression, painting really dark abstract stuff, it might not be the right time to commission a light and breezy landscape with rainbows and fairies in it. (Unless you want decapitated fairies and not want to know what the spring rain is.) CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25304	Posted - 2015.06.11 01:48:09 - [124] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: Elite PVP'ist says.. "YOU SHOULD NOT WANT WiS, YOU SHOULD ONLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR SPACESHIP!" Normal gamer says....."but I like to wear different shoes, hairstyle, socializing with other players, I like sitting on the couch, I want to RP a scope news movie date in my CQ, I want to hold a meeting with friends in my CQ and show them my fleet ships, etc" Elite PVP'ist says... "YOU SHOULD NOT WANT ANY OF THAT! THATS NOT CONTENT! YOU SHOULD UNDOCK AND FIGHT!! FIGHT! FIGHT!... BE UBER AND AWESOME LIKE ME AND PRESS THE F1 button...SCREW CQ's" Normal Gamer says.... "this place is just boring, no innovation, nothing but everyone suggest pew pew im buying a PS4 and screw this mmo..i'll go enjoy final fantasy instead" CCP says "at this time we have to lay off employee's cause revenue dried up and we cant figure out what happened" Fozzie says ... "but cloaky camping wasn't a problem," - eve closure 20XX This conversation (both sides) is something that has only ever happened in your head. Don't worry, there are medications for that these days. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 151	Posted - 2015.06.11 01:55:08 - [125] - Quote Cyborg Girl86 wrote: Hello everyone! Yes I know this is probably a topic that has been beaten to death, but I've done a lot of research on it from other sources and have played a ton of different MMO's and I would just like to make the argument for Walking in Stations and how it could be of benefit to the game. If anyone has any objections feel free to post them, this is a discussion and I'm well aware other people won't share my point of view. Without rambling on here goes: 1. Creation of content through different forms of player interaction. This one's pretty obvious. By letting capsuleers roam around in the station they're docked at and interact face-to-face with others opens up an entire can of worms and endless possibilities. Here's a hypothetical situation: You just docked up in an NPC station after an exciting roam in LS and decide to unwind. You step out of your CQ and walk through the hallways, witnessing other players making small talk or trading with each other in the hallway. You arrive at the local pub/bar/nightclub and order a drink for a few ISK, then sit down at a table watching The Scope from a nearby hanging holopanel. A player who happens to be bored sits down at your table and challenges you to a minigame that you can actually play installed in the table itself for either money (i.e. gambling) or for fun. He beats you, takes some of your ISK and tells you "good game". After that you relax watching the ships belonging to other players undocking and flying close to the station through the window beside you) This is just an example scenario, but if WiS was ever implemented the sheer amount of new and fun minigames, content and ways to interact with new people you've never met would add a whole new sense of immersion to the game, which brings me to my next point... 2. An All new level of immersion Being able to walk around and interact with New Eden with your toon would enable the Devs to inject and implement a ton of material from the EVE Lore into the game. I absolutely love the lore behind this game. Its so rich, vast and detailed. I think I read just about all of the EVE Chronicles. And yet there's a level of disconnect from the game itself. Imagine being in an NPC station and seeing Amarrian NPC scholars or priests walking down the halls, Gallente exotic dancers trying to entice you, Minmatar tribesman telling each other myths or Caladari business moguls arguing over how to run their corp. Being able to interact with NPCs like these (which serve to enrich the atmosphere a la Skyrim) and have them explain little tidbits about the empires or other facets of the game's rich sci-fi environment would really immerse those who are more inclined towards the RPing side of things. And yes, even though the NPCs may say the same things over and over again would get repetitive, but for new subs the new players could learn a lot about the history and stories behind New Eden. 3. New ways to manage Corps/Alliances Imagine the sheer possibilities for corps and alliances WiS would bring. You corp office in station could have strategic planners, market share information on giant holopanels or terminals your toon could walk up to and manage the corp from. It would also provide a place where toons and friends from the same corp could gather together and hang out in a lounge or something, do minigames or simply stand around AFK surrounded by friends and wingmen. These are just some of the ideas I came up with off the top of my head. If anyone wants to add more or make your arguments against WiS please feel free. Hey Cyborg Girl86 WIS is long gone and ccp said if I have remembered that quite a few years back. Back then People did not want CCP to introduce WIS into the game as EvE Online is based on flying ships in space and did not want people to walk in stations as what you have quoted above. CCP are building allot better game and EvE had been allot more stable over the last few years than when I first started playing EvE back in 2006. CCP should be Congratulated for the effort and hard work they had put in this game of EvE over the last few years. And one happy customer :) On a side note WIS is put on CCP back burner and to never be released ever. CCP Fozzie keep up on the hard work what your team is doing for the new sov changes You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe
Jenshae Chiroptera 1669	Posted - 2015.06.11 02:05:05 - [126] - Quote What we really need is empty corridors linking our quarters and a panda race. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 273	Posted - 2015.06.11 02:06:24 - [127] - Quote Tippia wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: Elite PVP'ist says.. "YOU SHOULD NOT WANT WiS, YOU SHOULD ONLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR SPACESHIP!" Normal gamer says....."but I like to wear different shoes, hairstyle, socializing with other players, I like sitting on the couch, I want to RP a scope news movie date in my CQ, I want to hold a meeting with friends in my CQ and show them my fleet ships, etc" Elite PVP'ist says... "YOU SHOULD NOT WANT ANY OF THAT! THATS NOT CONTENT! YOU SHOULD UNDOCK AND FIGHT!! FIGHT! FIGHT!... BE UBER AND AWESOME LIKE ME AND PRESS THE F1 button...SCREW CQ's" Normal Gamer says.... "this place is just boring, no innovation, nothing but everyone suggest pew pew im buying a PS4 and screw this mmo..i'll go enjoy final fantasy instead" CCP says "at this time we have to lay off employee's cause revenue dried up and we cant figure out what happened" Fozzie says ... "but cloaky camping wasn't a problem," - eve closure 20XX This conversation (both sides) is something that has only ever happened in your head. Don't worry, there are medications for that these days. Tippia don't go there with me.. Broski im just improvising on the entire debate of the debates on why eve is failing and how WiS removal shall bring forth even more of its failure. Eve is really stinking right now and its going to get worse cause of froggi-sov.
Lulu Lunette Custodes Olim United Systems of Aridia 25	Posted - 2015.06.11 02:20:16 - [128] - Quote Well, I'm a new player as of 2 months ago and I prefer captain's quarters over staring at the hangar. I'd love for there to be more to do in it. I change my portrait like once a week too. @lunettelulu7
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 13381	Posted - 2015.06.11 02:20:21 - [129] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: im just improvising on the entire debate of the debates on why eve is failing and how WiS removal shall bring forth even more of its failure. Eve is really stinking right now and its going to get worse cause of froggi-sov. No, you're grandstanding, spewing the "EVE is dying because the puerile niche that I want isn't being catered to!" bullshit, misrepresenting pretty much every opposing point of view, regurgitating a variety of tired, long standing whines, all the while trying to paint yourself as "normal gamer". You don't speak for a single damned person besides yourself. I am a "normal gamer", and if CCP revisits WiS I will cease playing this game, as they will have demonstrated an irredeemable commitment to go in the wrong direction. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Mina Sebiestar Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate 893	Posted - 2015.06.11 02:24:11 - [130] - Quote Reasons for wis.... Would be walking in derelict ships and ruins expanding exploration to a whole new lvl of awesome. Take over invasion\incursion of said ships or stations for the sake of profit or glory. Transit point in to and from eve legion and valkyrie. Stealing stabbing shady deals in pirate stations...racing training and pve interactions in secure stations. Reasons against.... Going to pub to drink isk and watch scope. Watching Gallente exotic dancers and Amarrians in skirts. Having a dude in corp hq called strategic planner. Sorry I don't think I am wis material.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 9289	Posted - 2015.06.11 02:40:12 - [131] - Quote They're already working on WiS, and it's now called Legion. You're all so behind the times "WiS" was pure fail, dead and gone. It'll probably be back just as soon as CCP finishes working on a Necromancer class for EVE Online, with 110 levels to grind.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25306	Posted - 2015.06.11 02:45:16 - [132] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: Tippia don't go there with me. You're confusing me with you. You're the one making up a 100% nonsensical double strawman. I'm the one telling you not to go there. Quote: im just improvising on the entire debate of the debates Not really. Improvisation rests on a basis of reality, adjusted for things you didn't quite foresee GÇö you're just making **** up whole cloth. There's a difference between improvisation and hallucination. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Rexxorr Zero Corp Tax3 86	Posted - 2015.06.11 02:47:51 - [133] - Quote WIS... well CCP could a new room every now and then.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 275	Posted - 2015.06.11 03:14:58 - [134] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: im just improvising on the entire debate of the debates on why eve is failing and how WiS removal shall bring forth even more of its failure. Eve is really stinking right now and its going to get worse cause of froggi-sov. No, you're grandstanding, spewing the "EVE is dying because the puerile niche that I want isn't being catered to!" bullshit, misrepresenting pretty much every opposing point of view, regurgitating a variety of tired, long standing whines, all the while trying to paint yourself as "normal gamer". You don't speak for a single damned person besides yourself. I am a "normal gamer", and if CCP revisits WiS I will cease playing this game, as they will have demonstrated an irredeemable commitment to go in the wrong direction. if this is one way of getting rid of gank fanboys then wis 2 indeed should happen can i have your stuff eve is dying if this guy leaves ccp better not make him angry ooooooooh im so terrifed of code losing 1 temper tandrum player
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 275	Posted - 2015.06.11 03:17:51 - [135] - Quote Tippia wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: Tippia don't go there with me. You're confusing me with you. You're the one making up a 100% nonsensical double strawman. I'm the one telling you not to go there. Quote: im just improvising on the entire debate of the debates Not really. Improvisation rests on a basis of reality, adjusted for things you didn't quite foresee GÇö you're just making **** up whole cloth. There's a difference between improvisation and hallucination. yeah having like jump fatige in a shuttle.
Tanthalassa State War Academy Caldari State 186	Posted - 2015.06.11 03:39:59 - [136] - Quote According to a CCP WiS development is on back-burner, which could mean anything anyway. The last WiS threadnaught reached its almost 200 pages lifespan: Team Avatar and the future of our prototype. The beast died due to abundance of general forum trolls naturally. As I understand CCP doesn't want to develop anything but "meaningful" gameplay, which could be station combat, much better exploration (not the silly minigame.) or maybe even DUST/PI hybrid. But the issue is "meaningful" budget is also needed, which after all the development issues encountered, CCP might no longer has. Anything less than meaningful could mean no development also. Perfect excuse to not work on it. It's much easier to juggle Ishtar stats around isn't it?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25307	Posted - 2015.06.11 03:51:49 - [137] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: yeah having like jump fatige in a shuttle. You're either drunk or on drugs. Either way, you are lapsing further and further into abject incoherence. Go to bed and sleep it off and see if you make any sense in the morning. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 9290	Posted - 2015.06.11 04:06:56 - [138] - Quote "back-burner" hahahahahahahaaha That's one way to put it, eh? You know, other mmo's have risen and fell in the timespan between now and when old CCP started on WiS? That's a long time watching and waiting for that pot to boil.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 277	Posted - 2015.06.11 04:10:23 - [139] - Quote Tippia wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: yeah having like jump fatige in a shuttle. You're either drunk or on drugs. Either way, you are lapsing further and further into abject incoherence. Go to bed and sleep it off and see if you make any sense in the morning. WiS content would be to add an alarm clock in my CQ since it even comes with a bed i cant even lay down on! i seriuosly think they need to add more value to their product by finishing with the WiS content hec i like looking at my booty in the mirror i want my friends to admire it as well in my CQ. i deserve to speak on the subject no matter what you think tippia-chucky face! roleplayers deserve having WiS content also eve is supposed to be about everything every gamestyle rather you like that or not.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25307	Posted - 2015.06.11 04:19:09 - [140] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: i seriuosly think they need to add more value to their product by finishing with the WiS content To what end? Quote: i deserve to speak on the subject Not really, no. You deserve some much-needed sedation and possibly a bit of forced withdrawal. It'll be nasty, but you'll be better off for it. Quote: roleplayers deserve having WiS content also eve is supposed to be about everything every gamestyle rather you like that or not. No, it really isn't, and even if it were, the hypocrisy of such a statement from you is outright laughable when considering the kind of gameplay-hating you've engaged in only a few posts back. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 45783	Posted - 2015.06.11 04:31:02 - [141] - Quote It's like reading people debating "Reasons for/against natural evolution". Results kinda predictable. Some things just happen eventually for natural reasons. A combination of forces. It's simple progression imo, along with survival of the fittest. A form of avatar interaction (note: Not "WiS" per say) in EVE is inevitable. My credit card, and those of hundreds like me, stands ready. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel Gû+ -+eep+¦ng -+y pro-++¦-òe -ò+¦nce 17\|12\|116 GÖÑ Gû+ wor-+-+ole d+¦ary + c-+arac-éer -¦+¦o-ò
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 278	Posted - 2015.06.11 04:32:23 - [142] - Quote Tippia wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: i seriuosly think they need to add more value to their product by finishing with the WiS content To what end? Quote: i deserve to speak on the subject Not really, no. You deserve some much-needed sedation and possibly a bit of forced withdrawal. It'll be nasty, but you'll be better off for it. Quote: roleplayers deserve having WiS content also eve is supposed to be about everything every gamestyle rather you like that or not. No, it really isn't, and even if it were, the hypocrisy of such a statement from you is outright laughable when considering the kind of gameplay-hating you've engaged in only a few posts back. Only elitist in eve online cant seem to understand the level of content walking in stations provides, we should have a Cantina type lounge where all players could meet up and chat, drink, even dance. there should be far more animations our avatars could do. imagine having a CCP guard perform RP Rap songs in Jita. would be nice to see two players atleast having an actual trade rather than this out of date right click "trade/accept" window mess going on.. I want to see more WiS content. it doesn't have to be hard, im sure there are some here that wishes for that.. they want a trap door placed somewhere to add risk vs reward while walking to your own ship as an example. This subject is not going away and I support it fully..no matter what flame on!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25307	Posted - 2015.06.11 04:39:32 - [143] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: we should have a Cantina type lounge where all players could meet up and chat, drink, even dance. there should be far more animations our avatars could do. Again, to what end? Quote: would be nice to see two players atleast having an actual trade rather than this out of date right click "trade/accept" window mess going on. So you basically want a ridiculously inefficient UI that everyone will ignore after 30 minutes because it serves no useful purpose, much like how people demanded that the regular hangar menus be restored after Incarna took them away. Yeah, no. That kind of pointless waste of everyone's time is not something CCP should really engage in (again). Quote: it doesn't have to be hard, im sure there are some here that wishes for that. That's why it will never happen: because it is hard. Just wishing something does not mean it's even remotely a good idea GÇö it actually has to serve a purpose. If you can't make the effort of thinking of one, then guess what GÇö you've just stumbled on the easiest of the many obstacles on the path between idea and worth-while game addition. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 278	Posted - 2015.06.11 04:45:49 - [144] - Quote Tippia wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: we should have a Cantina type lounge where all players could meet up and chat, drink, even dance. there should be far more animations our avatars could do. Again, to what end? Quote: would be nice to see two players atleast having an actual trade rather than this out of date right click "trade/accept" window mess going on. So you basically want a ridiculously inefficient UI that everyone will ignore after 30 minutes because it serves no useful purpose, much like how people demanded that the regular hangar menus be restored after Incarna took them away. Yeah, no. That kind of pointless waste of everyone's time is not something CCP should really engage in (again). Quote: it doesn't have to be hard, im sure there are some here that wishes for that. That's why it will never happen: because it is hard. Just wishing something does not mean it's even remotely a good idea GÇö it actually has to serve a purpose. If you can't make the effort of thinking of one, then guess what GÇö you've just stumbled on the easiest of the many obstacles on the path between idea and worth-while game addition. its only difficult cause you debaters make it difficult.. just shut up and trade me plex cause this is boring while I wait for ccp to add good content to the game.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25307	Posted - 2015.06.11 05:51:07 - [145] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: its only difficult cause you debaters make it difficult. No. It's difficult because no-one can answer that fundamental question, not even CCP. Quote: while I wait for ccp to add good content to the game. It's not really CCP's job to do that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 547	Posted - 2015.06.11 05:53:37 - [146] - Quote Everybody stop commenting! Someone took my popcorn! CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 278	Posted - 2015.06.11 05:55:49 - [147] - Quote Tippia wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: its only difficult cause you debaters make it difficult. No. It's difficult because no-one can answer that fundamental question, not even CCP. Quote: while I wait for ccp to add good content to the game. It's not really CCP's job to do that. it is their job, they're the game lords, game masters, game creators, if they can add drifter content then they can and should add all other content. you guys provided them an easy cop out from creating story content with that stance which is why eve takes so long to even progress further. fact is still after all these years you can ask a new player what is the lore behind this and that faction and they'll answer atleast "welp amarr are religious fanatics with a huge titan that looks like a *****". fact is no one understand whats going on and when and why.. that's hype train not content. give us content and you'll then get provided with ship rebalancing, juggling stat numbers here and there, receiving UI updates as content with no story behind it all. whats next??? whats around the corner?? Pvp mining.. priceless!!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25307	Posted - 2015.06.11 06:00:32 - [148] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: it is their job You have fundamentally misunderstood everything about EVE. Quote: fact is no one understand whats going on and when and why.. that's hype train not content. Wrong on all three accounts. Again, you should probably stop with the intoxicants and get some rest and rehab. Quote: whats next??? whats around the corner?? Pvp mining.. priceless!! Mining has been PvP since day -200. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 279	Posted - 2015.06.11 06:09:29 - [149] - Quote Tippia wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: it is their job You have fundamentally misunderstood everything about EVE. Quote: fact is no one understand whats going on and when and why.. that's hype train not content. Wrong on all three accounts. Again, you should probably stop with the intoxicants and get some rest and rehab. Quote: whats next??? whats around the corner?? Pvp mining.. priceless!! Mining has been PvP since day -200. and CCP has fundamentally misunderstood how come their current player levels are this low right now and sinking even further. like it or not buddy.. your demographic population is changing.. I stand here dancing in the moonlight as eve online changes to more kinder "easier comprehensible playstyles" like the new icons (which I still hate) or the renaming of mods that didn't even need renaming just to confuse me more.. hey that's content right?? right??? guessing why the 1MN MWD became the 5MN MWD... exciting.. yeah I want to really send them money for this content.. awesome idea. mining is a pve hobby and shouldn't even be involved with pvp.. but you know those pvp'ers just love shooting something that cant shoot back. folks love kicking puppies and then epeening they're so Uber and Pro its sickening.. really
Webvan All Kill No Skill 9291	Posted - 2015.06.11 06:11:09 - [150] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Everybody stop commenting! Someone took my popcorn Waaaait, I remember youuuu. Yeaaaah, it's you. You're that dude that totally regequit EVE to go play SC at beta because it had WiS type play. Soooo... you're back! Well, wb I guess >.> Darn those future EVE killers, eh?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25309	Posted - 2015.06.11 06:12:47 - [151] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: and CCP has fundamentally misunderstood how come their current player levels are this low right now and sinking even further. Not really, no. Quote: mining is a pve hobby and shouldn't even be involved with pvp. Incorrect on both accounts. Not only is mining PvP through and through GÇö it would not even exist without PvP involvement. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 279	Posted - 2015.06.11 06:21:42 - [152] - Quote Tippia wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: and CCP has fundamentally misunderstood how come their current player levels are this low right now and sinking even further. Not really, no. Quote: mining is a pve hobby and shouldn't even be involved with pvp. Incorrect on both accounts. Not only is mining PvP through and through GÇö it would not even exist without PvP involvement. pvp wouldn't exist without mining. pvp'ers should be forced to go find real good fights and allow us to Walk in Stations in peace. so debate on as much as you want to.. push us out or away and your numbers will continue to drop even further. its exciting to go to various websites discussing how eve treats newbs, new players, and pushes them away at the same time cause the vets have no more victims to abuse. your loss not ours.. im satisfied with sending money to another company to become the next big thing just cause its taken eve 12 yrs to begin getting it right and they still cant.
Pops Tickle Tickle Industries 11	Posted - 2015.06.11 06:37:11 - [153] - Quote Good evening everyone. I see the topic has somewhat shifted. I see addicted people hating this game, but they can't leave it. I see - a negative number of days! What? Ms. Tippia, when was day -200?? CCP Rise wrote: "We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed." Source
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 3594	Posted - 2015.06.11 06:50:24 - [154] - Quote Webvan wrote: They're already working on WiS, and it's now called Legion. You're all so behind the times "WiS" was pure fail, dead and gone. It'll probably be back just as soon as CCP finishes working on a Necromancer class for EVE Online, with 110 levels to grind. No, it's not called Legion. The trademark expired. Be my guest to figure what could mean that a company lets expire the trademark of a new product they announced in 2014's big PR event and wasn't even mentioned again in 2015's big PR event... 73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 547	Posted - 2015.06.11 06:52:35 - [155] - Quote Let's not get intoxicated on all that kool-aid! Leave some for the cool kids! CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 279	Posted - 2015.06.11 06:54:14 - [156] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Webvan wrote: They're already working on WiS, and it's now called Legion. You're all so behind the times "WiS" was pure fail, dead and gone. It'll probably be back just as soon as CCP finishes working on a Necromancer class for EVE Online, with 110 levels to grind. No, it's not called Legion. The trademark expired. Be my guest to figure what could mean that a company lets expire the trademark of a new product they announced in 2014's big PR event and wasn't even mentioned again in 2015's big PR event... LMAO............................................. hey Maybe Legion will show up at this weekend's E3 event..
Webvan All Kill No Skill 9294	Posted - 2015.06.11 07:19:01 - [157] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Webvan wrote: They're already working on WiS, and it's now called Legion. You're all so behind the times "WiS" was pure fail, dead and gone. It'll probably be back just as soon as CCP finishes working on a Necromancer class for EVE Online, with 110 levels to grind. No, it's not called Legion. The trademark expired. Be my guest to figure what could mean that a company lets expire the trademark of a new product they announced in 2014's big PR event and wasn't even mentioned again in 2015's big PR event... Well they were calling it Project Legion, anyway. Usually a name with "Project" in it is not always the final name (e.g production title or working title as it's called). Nope, no mention of it recently, but then like WoD they haven't announced a closure to it as they did there. So likely they are still working on it, but just likely in it's alpha stage with a small band of core programmers.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 9294	Posted - 2015.06.11 07:25:06 - [158] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: LMAO............................................. hey Maybe Legion will show up at this weekend's E3 event.. It's possible, but I doubt it at this stage. Likely the focus will be on Valkyrie for now. Why, you holding out hopes for WiS? You do know they disbanded that team long ago, restructured CCP and "back burner" isn't even in any existing context with what CCP has become? But keep up the good laughs with these threads, always good for some late night humor. Just don't get yourself all ragequitty worked up over it like some have done hehehe.
Luxy Tickle Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.06.11 07:27:18 - [159] - Quote I - I think WiS a good idea. Why can't we have some nice place where we can meet and talk? Make friends? What about a disco? Everyone loves dancing and we might even find mates and it would definitely help growing the population too! But that would only work if we could take someone with us into our quarters! I'm so alone.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 382	Posted - 2015.06.11 07:32:56 - [160] - Quote Luxy Tickle wrote: I - I think WiS a good idea. Why can't we have some nice place where we can meet and talk? Make friends? What about a disco? Everyone loves dancing and we might even find mates and it would definitely help growing the population too! But that would only work if we could take someone with us into our quarters! I'm so alone. How many friends have you made on second life? Yea WiS would never be any of that. You would use the same tools we do now for that sort of thing. Just like you do in games with Avatar gameplay. Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 9294	Posted - 2015.06.11 07:52:18 - [161] - Quote Luxy Tickle wrote: I - I think WiS a good idea. Why can't we have some nice place where we can meet and talk? Make friends? What about a disco? Everyone loves dancing and we might even find mates and it would definitely help growing the population too! But that would only work if we could take someone with us into our quarters! I'm so alone. Yeah, aren't MMORPG's wonderful? (Middle-aged Men Online Role-Playing Girls)
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 279	Posted - 2015.06.11 07:58:56 - [162] - Quote Webvan wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: LMAO............................................. hey Maybe Legion will show up at this weekend's E3 event.. It's possible, but I doubt it at this stage. Likely the focus will be on Valkyrie for now. Why, you holding out hopes for WiS? You do know they disbanded that team long ago, restructured CCP and "back burner" isn't even in any existing context with what CCP has become? But keep up the good laughs with these threads, always good for some late night humor. Just don't get yourself all ragequitty worked up over it like some have done hehehe. our avatars should be wearing armor not clothes, they should have atleast a flightsuit on not leagher pants. and why is ccp afraid of skirts and dresses? clearly there are womem that play this game seagull and that awfully hot redhead is not the only girls in this game. WiS is a must im tired of having discussion with a spinning ship. i want a roommate, i want to hangout in my CQ and in the same room with friends
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1890	Posted - 2015.06.11 08:08:14 - [163] - Quote None of my friends want to actually see me staggering to the head, crawling back to my bunk, and summarily puking all over my fedo. None of my enemies want me hanging out by their CQ door with a hacking kit and a rusty straight razor. CCP has done us all a favor. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Luxy Tickle Hedion University Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.06.11 08:25:58 - [164] - Quote Webvan wrote: Luxy Tickle wrote: I - I think WiS a good idea. Why can't we have some nice place where we can meet and talk? Make friends? What about a disco? Everyone loves dancing and we might even find mates and it would definitely help growing the population too! But that would only work if we could take someone with us into our quarters! I'm so alone. Yeah, aren't MMORPG's wonderful? (Middle-aged Men Online Role-Playing Girls) But but but I'm only 23 !
Pixie Tickle Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2015.06.11 08:28:37 - [165] - Quote Luxy Tickle wrote: Webvan wrote: Luxy Tickle wrote: I - I think WiS a good idea. Why can't we have some nice place where we can meet and talk? Make friends? What about a disco? Everyone loves dancing and we might even find mates and it would definitely help growing the population too! But that would only work if we could take someone with us into our quarters! I'm so alone. Yeah, aren't MMORPG's wonderful? (Middle-aged Men Online Role-Playing Girls) But but but I'm only 23 ! Can confirm, she's 23. Now get ya hands out of ya pockets, dirty old pervs!
Pops Tickle Tickle Industries 12	Posted - 2015.06.11 08:43:30 - [166] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: Webvan wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: LMAO............................................. hey Maybe Legion will show up at this weekend's E3 event.. It's possible, but I doubt it at this stage. Likely the focus will be on Valkyrie for now. Why, you holding out hopes for WiS? You do know they disbanded that team long ago, restructured CCP and "back burner" isn't even in any existing context with what CCP has become? But keep up the good laughs with these threads, always good for some late night humor. Just don't get yourself all ragequitty worked up over it like some have done hehehe. our avatars should be wearing armor not clothes, they should have atleast a flightsuit on not leagher pants. and why is ccp afraid of skirts and dresses? clearly there are womem that play this game seagull and that awfully hot redhead is not the only girls in this game. Because they fear sexualization will "offend" the US customers. Remember: Nipples are monsters. CCP Rise wrote: "We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed." Source
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 13381	Posted - 2015.06.11 10:20:43 - [167] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: if this is one way of getting rid of gank fanboys then wis 2 indeed should happen can i have your stuff eve is dying if this guy leaves ccp better not make him angry ooooooooh im so terrifed of code losing 1 temper tandrum player Is that all you've got? An ad hominem and a trollish rant wrapped up into one run-on sentence? Tippia wasn't kidding, you are drunk. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 189	Posted - 2015.06.11 10:48:49 - [168] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I am saying that they would get it wrong if they tried right now. Like these guys did? (the link is another space flight game that "attempted walk-in-stations too") I agree, but that's because I'm a bittervet who still clings to her "it's CCP what do you expect" point of view (it was reinforced about a month ago). Ha ha, b ut dont forget that CCP showed us something more even earlier on Fanfest with demo that was completely scraped. Nothing of it is now in game. And people were doing their own videos about how it could have been for new player. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IOVRRV-Ow Nothing ever happened like that. Its something like a sad feeling when you see it from future into past.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 5800	Posted - 2015.06.11 11:22:24 - [169] - Quote Quote: Forum rules 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked. As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. This seems to have gone on long enough. Thread closed for the rules stated above. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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