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Dawn Verragan Lunar Association Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.21 00:14:00 - [1] Tried to do forum search and nothing found in General Discussions from today. I guess someone else already found it (forum wh...ring anyone?), but I'll challenge my luck ;) The votings for the MMORPG.COM Readers Choice 2006 Nominees were opened today. In this first round, the nominees for the actual voting are picked. So this is the chance for all us fanbois to do some clickies: mmorpg.com Already seeing this thread hijacked in form of "eve lags, no votes from me", but I thought some info would be handy. Cya, Dawn
Abbadon Caldari Pukin' Dogs Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.21 00:23:00 - [2] Thanks for linky and votes cast . Dancers plz. o/ --Jorauk boogies-eris booty bounces - Cortes bodypops - Cathath
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.21 00:23:00 - [3] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/11/2006 00:24:17 Its time to SPAM THE AWARDS!1!11 CCP, please put this on the front page as you did last year. Every bit will help -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Brolly Caldari The Department of Justice	Posted - 2006.11.21 00:32:00 - [4] We'll have to wait for next year to vote for best graphics If I had ú1 for every intelligent comment posted in general discussion, I'd be hideously in debt
Esplin	Posted - 2006.11.21 00:52:00 - [5] Done and done. Thanks for the reminder.
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 01:02:00 - [6] lol they need to get KAIL out and start useing fine tuneing tools befor it get some voting. place the NERF HAMMER away and fix things instead of busting them and it will be the best and worthy of the votes
Skawl GeoTech	Posted - 2006.11.21 01:20:00 - [7] Done!
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.11.21 02:20:00 - [8] Eve Online ftw tbh
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.21 02:52:00 - [9] Got my votes in. Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Nate D Naughty Ambitious Temptatious Endeavours	Posted - 2006.11.21 03:05:00 - [10] Voting done! Most Anticipated Game: Pirates of the Burning Seas Best New game: RF Online (sucked but the only other one I had played was Dungeons and Dragons... which... was probably the worst game that I have ever played.) The Rest: EVE-Online -NateÖ --- Voice Comms are Coming ...SoonÖ [Click]
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 03:26:00 - [11] Yarr! Give our luvin' baby some deserved recognition! --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus	Posted - 2006.11.21 05:07:00 - [12] whats the competition like ?
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.21 05:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Miss Overlord whats the competition like ? Since it's nominations, every MMO on the market for the most part is on the list. However, the true competition with probably be pretty predictable: Everquest II, Guild Wars, WoW, Saga of Ryzom, etc. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
GrumpyCat	Posted - 2006.11.21 05:46:00 - [14] I think its time for a change. /me votes for wow for pvp and second life for favorite graphics.
mechtech	Posted - 2006.11.21 06:31:00 - [15] Votes cast. That said, 2006 was a HORRIBLE year for mmos, with such amazing games as DDO and dark and light. EvE should have no trouble pulling it off again, the only competition has aged worse than EvE.
Templer Relleg FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.21 06:46:00 - [16] Voted for eve all the way(Even PvE Not that i like PvE in eve, but eve is WIN). The game i'm looking forward to is darkfall
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus	Posted - 2006.11.21 06:49:00 - [17] as long as the content is boosted then eve has a good PVE potential outcome
Shadow Lightbringer Nightghosts Inc	Posted - 2006.11.21 07:13:00 - [18] Done. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that EVE will pull off a repeat again this year. ---
4rc4ng3L Gallente DarkSide Inc	Posted - 2006.11.21 07:25:00 - [19] Well i put my votes in. Lets hope EVE comes out on top this year too Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.21 11:18:00 - [20] Is there an option in 2006 for "the year of 2006 sucked so badly that not a single worthwhile game came out"? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.21 11:39:00 - [21] Well... they keep asking "what was your favourite ... this year?", and... I've only played Eve. So, there go all my votes :)

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.21 11:52:00 - [22] Put my votes in :) though i agree 2006 was a bad year for new mmorpg's. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long Actually we call you "Hutch" because people might get the wrong idea of 'God of Young Boys' - Cortes, sigjacker extrodinaire You can't match my sig-jacking skills Cortes!! Oh and we call you Hutch because your the anti-Hitch - Petwraith

Menkaure Amarr Vanitas Corp.	Posted - 2006.11.21 11:59:00 - [23] The mmorpg.com community hate it when we do this. Even more reason to keep at it...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:33:00 - [24] Back to the top! This thread needs a sticky. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.21 23:41:00 - [25] Seriously guys, we know Eve rocks. We don't have to rig the vote And yeah, I voted Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Mirasta Caldari Enigma Enterprises Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.22 00:11:00 - [26] We all voteing for WoW, Right? Of couse, You are now reading my sig.
Dooshotron Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.11.22 00:13:00 - [27] Just peeped this in an EvE screenshots section of mmorpg.com http://images.mmorpg.com/images/screenshots/082006/8282.jpg No blasters, no point.
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 00:17:00 - [28] Cool setup... -- Nobody stays behind

kieron	Posted - 2006.11.22 00:55:00 - [29] Applying some glue to the topic. Let's stuff the ballot box again! kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.22 01:03:00 - [30] Originally by: kieron Applying some glue to the topic. Let's stuff the ballot box again! Thanks Kieron -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 01:16:00 - [31] I voted for runescape in the pve section and eve everywhere else that was applicable. logs into runescape Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.22 01:59:00 - [32] Originally by: Nyphur I voted for runescape in the pve section and eve everywhere else that was applicable. logs into runescape -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Stouman Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.22 02:25:00 - [33] Edited by: Stouman on 22/11/2006 02:26:51 Edited by: Stouman on 22/11/2006 02:26:30 Yeah, you have to register, but it only takes 5 minutes.... Long live EVE Online - the greatest game ever created! No pressure CCP, no pressure
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.22 03:20:00 - [34] Went and voted :) Btw, reading their forums over there... was trying to get a handle when the DX9 graphic updates are due, is it for Kali 2? Blog
Oreh Anavrin No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:20:00 - [35] Haha avernus I read the thread and had the same question. Eve ftw, most anticipated was Pirates of the Burning Sea, of course. The thread on it was funny, most people saying they voted Eve for overall and PVP (and a little less for graphics) and then a select few whining eve would take it again.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:36:00 - [36] Edited by: Nyphur on 22/11/2006 04:36:36 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Nyphur I voted for runescape in the pve section and eve everywhere else that was applicable. logs into runescape See, you think I'm joking but I maintain that runescape is one of the best MMOs ever made. EDIT: To be honest though, that's not saying much. Competition in the fantasy MMO market is pathetic. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:53:00 - [37] hmm... best pvp... which should i vote for... eve or maple story................... 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:59:00 - [38] Originally by: mazzilliu hmm... best pvp... which should i vote for... eve or maple story................... Maple story has PvP? O_o Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.11.22 07:38:00 - [39] EVE got my vote on best PvP. .. and I still dislike forced votes like this. "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" PERVS \o/
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.22 08:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: mazzilliu hmm... best pvp... which should i vote for... eve or maple story................... Maple story has PvP? O_o technically no, but i used to kill people in it anyways \o/ (and it was the only mmo i played before eve so i cant really vot for anything else) 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Hydraxian Gallente Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.22 09:07:00 - [41] Eve, Eve, Eve oh and Eve..... who do you think i voted for?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.22 11:10:00 - [42] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/11/2006 11:10:09 Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Nyphur I voted for runescape in the pve section and eve everywhere else that was applicable. logs into runescape See, you think I'm joking but I maintain that runescape is one of the best MMOs ever made. EDIT: To be honest though, that's not saying much. Competition in the fantasy MMO market is pathetic. Wait a minute. You're serious? A game where every single activity is designed to be a grind (making World of Warcraft look like absolutely NOTHING by comparison), for the sole purpose of getting little kids to play longer, is good? I know someone who is total level 1350 or so and rising. Runescape is the second worst MMORPG ever made. The worst is Maple Story. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
BillyBong2 Amarr Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:59:00 - [43] Voted!
Feyd Darkholme Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:53:00 - [44] Voted... They need to add a couple categories, Most Anticipated MMO Expansion and Best MMO Expansion... it'll liven things up a bit for years when things are slow, like this past year. There are just as many expansions coming out every year as new games, and some of them improve existing games quite a bit. Hmmmm, and maybe a category for Most Improved MMO? ---------------
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:55:00 - [45] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/11/2006 11:10:09 Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Nyphur I voted for runescape in the pve section and eve everywhere else that was applicable. logs into runescape See, you think I'm joking but I maintain that runescape is one of the best MMOs ever made. EDIT: To be honest though, that's not saying much. Competition in the fantasy MMO market is pathetic. Wait a minute. You're serious? A game where every single activity is designed to be a grind (making World of Warcraft look like absolutely NOTHING by comparison), for the sole purpose of getting little kids to play longer, is good? I know someone who is total level 1350 or so and rising. Runescape is the second worst MMORPG ever made. The worst is Maple Story. Lol Agreed. EVE with a PvE only server = Runescape :) Now to vote with your alts... --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:03:00 - [46] Edited by: Adam C on 22/11/2006 17:04:16 failing Quality of Service, CCP wont get my vote
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 18:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Dark Shikari Wait a minute. You're serious? A game where every single activity is designed to be a grind (making World of Warcraft look like absolutely NOTHING by comparison), for the sole purpose of getting little kids to play longer, is good? I know someone who is total level 1350 or so and rising. Runescape is the second worst MMORPG ever made. The worst is Maple Story. Oh shush, world of warcraft is designed NOT to be a grind, it practically throws rewards at you so fast that they aren't worth anything. The reason I think Runescape is good is that things take a lot of consistent effort to get anywhere, which means that actually getting there is worth something. Achievements are real achievements, just like making 100 billion isk in eve would be an achievement. It's the extreme of the two poles seen in the fantasy MMO business. Do you let players progress through the game very quickly to keep people with short attention spans playing and to show everyone all of the content or do you make levels hard to achieve so that it's a real achievement to get them and so that people would have to play for a very long time to try all of the content. Would you play Eve if you could get into a dreadnought within a week? Runescape was great back when I used to play it because for me it was a market simulator. Buying and selling stuff, making deals, proper trading that I've only seen in one MMO since that - Eve. And while eve is the best MMO I've ever played, Runescape is the best fantasy MMO I've played. Even in terms of financial success, you can clearly see how Jagex's business model is incredibly robust and enduring. Their hundreds of servers must pay for themselves ten times over. Besides, yesterday I followed some guy in runescape for two hours straight saying "glug glug glug" and telling him I was drinking him. Man, it was funny to see how worked up he got. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Dawn Verragan Lunar Association Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.22 22:39:00 - [48] Somehow I got the feeling that some confusion occured over my original post. I didn't say that the readers choice voting begun. ATM it's the nomination process that precedes the vote itself. So that Frontside news is somehow misleading stating that "Reader's Choice voting underway at MMORPG.com". Maybe this should be clarified? We're at step 1 at the moment. Step 2 is the actual awards ;) Cya PS: I'm feel honored about sticky, replies of DS and kieron etc anyway g Go Eve!
Kateryne Minmatar Steel Frontier Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 23:05:00 - [49] I was actually going to post this like a whole day before it got posted, but when i went to hit "post new topic" the forums crashed on me :(
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.23 01:24:00 - [50] Originally by: Dark Shikari The worst is Maple Story. qqqqqqqqffffffffftttttttttt 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2006.11.24 09:09:00 - [51] I'll pass, EVE is a decent game. But, it is not as great as many would think when several of its core mechanics (pvp, trading and traveling to name a few) is severely underdeveloped as much of it hasn't really changed since EVE went live back in 2003. I'll show my appriciation by voting when its worth the money I pay.
Sinder Ohm	Posted - 2006.11.24 12:42:00 - [52] Eve is the only game Ive played that makes my heart race and my hands shake when i enter PVP.... and NO thats not too much coffee and where possable i voted eve ... just to annoy the WOW followers (they take it so personaly when they lose )
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:32:00 - [53] Originally by: Digital Solaris I'll pass, EVE is a decent game. But, it is not as great as many would think when several of its core mechanics (pvp, trading and traveling to name a few) is severely underdeveloped as much of it hasn't really changed since EVE went live back in 2003. I'll show my appriciation by voting when its worth the money I pay. It might not be great, but you're got to be ****ting me if you're saying any other game on that list is better -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:28:00 - [54] Originally by: Dark Shikari It might not be great, but you're got to be ****ting me if you're saying any other game on that list is better A game's success is measured by its developer to finish things, something that CCP, as a developer, has completely failed at as of late. Thank you. And isn't it obvious to you that there are games out there that either are better or simply offers better aspects of the game itself than EVE?
Varrakk Chosen Path	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:43:00 - [55] Voted EVE wherever I could. Most anticipated has to be Age of Conan Best new MMO, had to pass that one. All sucked
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:18:00 - [56] Originally by: Digital Solaris Originally by: Dark Shikari It might not be great, but you're got to be ***ting me if you're saying any other game on that list is better A game's success is measured by its developer to finish things, something that CCP, as a developer, has completely failed at as of late. Thank you. You're making no sense. Kali is coming out on Tuesday, on schedule. Originally by:* Digital Solaris And isn't it obvious to you that there are games out there that either are better or simply offers better aspects of the game itself than EVE? Nope, its not obvious. I've played quite a number of other MMORPGs, and quite honestly they all suck horribly with the exception of Shattered Galaxy and Earth and Beyond. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
St Dragon Blood Association of Dragons	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:52:00 - [57] The Readers Awards is pretty much useless really. ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Kingdoc	Posted - 2006.11.24 20:44:00 - [58] I voted for eve in best in breed, best in show and best coat ... Holy this should be on the front page Batman! ------------------------- I need a sig, evemail me.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.11.25 04:22:00 - [59] No worst MMO cat? guess who would win that one?
Amarria Lightwielder N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:45:00 - [60] voted for eve in most things, cept for best pve :) Teh NAGA ShopÖ
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.11.26 03:53:00 - [61] time to get our forum **oring arses on there and do what we do best spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam
Dao 2 Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.27 07:27:00 - [62] best pvp hands down ;p lets win some awards again this year! ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Scius Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:10:00 - [63] vote cast, redirecting members to do the same.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.29 04:34:00 - [64] Hitch free? lol, some people judge too early. ;) [OMG! SMASH!]
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:55:00 - [65] For those who have not registered at mmorpg.com who don't want to give their real email, try using www.10minutemail.com to get a quicky email address. You don't need to wait for the activation email to vote, just login. Have fun
ghosttr Amarr Resource Control Agency	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:09:00 - [66] Edited by: ghosttr on 30/11/2006 00:13:12 I dont know if it works, but uber refresh on the vote page too. Im going to marco it ;P I don't have a problem with authority... ...as long as it doesn't get in my way.
Manfred Doomhammer Caldari ShadowTec Inc. Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.30 21:49:00 - [67] reading the above im not wondering anymore why a lot of regular readers there are *****ing about the e-o fanboi train :P still i too cast my vote :P ---- Manfred Doomhammer CEO ShadowTec Inc.
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.12.01 11:23:00 - [68] I've done my part EVE-o 4TW
Badger Brutor	Posted - 2006.12.01 23:18:00 - [69] CCP dont deserve any awards this year after their last fu<ked up patch
Hayah Theos	Posted - 2006.12.01 23:57:00 - [70] I agree with the last poster..... Eve doesn't deserve it. Now that I have played long enough to understand what is going on in EVE, I will not be voting "FOR" a game that is intentionally unbalanced as it is. In fact I am uncertain as to whether I will be renewing my subscription. The T2 BPO GOD CARTEL that CCP has created with their rediculous lottery has destroyed my enjoyment of the game. In the beginning I thought anyone had an even chance of accomplishing a wide array of intersting goals in the game. They don't. A very small group in Eve actually get to play the game. The rest just pilot targets for the small group to shoot at. I DON'T ENJOY PLAYING POKER WHEN THE DEALER GETS TO "STACK" THE DECK. IF I KNEW LAST YEAR WHAT I KNOW NOW ABOUT EVE, I WOULD NOT HAVE SUBSCRIBED.
Minsc Gallente Phoenix Order	Posted - 2006.12.02 00:10:00 - [71] I've survived for 3 years without having won a T2 BPO, nor do I need one. Explain to me why you NEED to have a T2 BPO to succeed in this game. Originally by: Sharkbait please for the love of god read the dam stickies
Hayah Theos	Posted - 2006.12.02 00:42:00 - [72] Originally by: Minsc I've survived for 3 years without having won a T2 BPO, nor do I need one. Explain to me why you NEED to have a T2 BPO to succeed in this game. *** T2 BPOs do two things in EVE that destroy any play balance in the game (I'm talking about the BPOs everyone wants, forget the useless ones.) The first is they provide the owner a ridiculously and almost unlimited source of isk income due to their rarity when the items are sold in a limited cartel fashion. The second is they provide the owner the ability to produce and actually use the T2 items in everyday combat, while 95% of their opponents can't. Would you like to play Poker with me if I get to "stack" the deck every hand? I doubt it. I believe CCP intended T2 to be rare, but I don't think they uderstood the T2 BPO GOD CARTEL they were creating. The first useful T2 BPO winners became overly wealthy in the first round. Ever since then, they have used that wealth to buy up the remaining useful T2 BPOs which they could do because the reseeded BPOs never come out in large numbers. So the majority of useful T2 BPOs have remained since day one in the hands of the same few. These people are the real power behind ASCN, CVS, BOB, RA, etc. (RA is a little different in that they bought isk online and used it to acquire their T2 BPOs according to rumor mill.) Anyway, these people are essentially the invincible 500 pound gorillas in Eve and unless you want to become one of their "bootlicks", you don't get to really play. Oh, you can pilot ships around and let them shoot you or build POSs in zero for them to run over , if you wish, but that doesn't really excite me. Eve is not the level playing field I thought it was when I started.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:42:00 - [73] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/12/2006 13:42:28 Originally by: Hayah Theos Originally by: Minsc I've survived for 3 years without having won a T2 BPO, nor do I need one. Explain to me why you NEED to have a T2 BPO to succeed in this game. *** T2 BPOs do two things in EVE that destroy any play balance in the game (I'm talking about the BPOs everyone wants, forget the useless ones.) The first is they provide the owner a ridiculously and almost unlimited source of isk income due to their rarity when the items are sold in a limited cartel fashion. The second is they provide the owner the ability to produce and actually use the T2 items in everyday combat, while 95% of their opponents can't. Would you like to play Poker with me if I get to "stack" the deck every hand? I doubt it. I believe CCP intended T2 to be rare, but I don't think they uderstood the T2 BPO GOD CARTEL they were creating. The first useful T2 BPO winners became overly wealthy in the first round. Ever since then, they have used that wealth to buy up the remaining useful T2 BPOs which they could do because the reseeded BPOs never come out in large numbers. So the majority of useful T2 BPOs have remained since day one in the hands of the same few. These people are the real power behind ASCN, CVS, BOB, RA, etc. (RA is a little different in that they bought isk online and used it to acquire their T2 BPOs according to rumor mill.) Anyway, these people are essentially the invincible 500 pound gorillas in Eve and unless you want to become one of their "bootlicks", you don't get to really play. Oh, you can pilot ships around and let them shoot you or build POSs in zero for them to run over , if you wish, but that doesn't really excite me. Eve is not the level playing field I thought it was when I started. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I mean, if just one part of your post was completely totally wrong, I might correct you, but at this point refuting your post would be a waste of time. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Minsc Gallente Phoenix Order	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Hayah Theos Originally by: Minsc I've survived for 3 years without having won a T2 BPO, nor do I need one. Explain to me why you NEED to have a T2 BPO to succeed in this game. * T2 BPOs do two things in EVE that destroy any play balance in the game (I'm talking about the BPOs everyone wants, forget the useless ones.) The first is they provide the owner a ridiculously and almost unlimited source of isk income due to their rarity when the items are sold in a limited cartel fashion. The second is they provide the owner the ability to produce and actually use the T2 items in everyday combat, while 95% of their opponents can't. Would you like to play Poker with me if I get to "stack" the deck every hand? I doubt it. I believe CCP intended T2 to be rare, but I don't think they uderstood the T2 BPO GOD CARTEL they were creating. The first useful T2 BPO winners became overly wealthy in the first round. Ever since then, they have used that wealth to buy up the remaining useful T2 BPOs which they could do because the reseeded BPOs never come out in large numbers. So the majority of useful T2 BPOs have remained since day one in the hands of the same few. These people are the real power behind ASCN, CVS, BOB, RA, etc. (RA is a little different in that they bought isk online and used it to acquire their T2 BPOs according to rumor mill.) Anyway, these people are essentially the invincible 500 pound gorillas in Eve and unless you want to become one of their "bootlicks", you don't get to really play. Oh, you can pilot ships around and let them shoot you or build POSs in zero for them to run over , if you wish, but that doesn't really excite me. Eve is not the level playing field I thought it was when I started. Tech2 doesn't automatically mean someone will win a fight, it still comes down to fittings and use of them. I don't fear a T2 ship when I'm flying around in a T1 ship, I fear them having a setup that counters mine. Originally by:** Sharkbait please for the love of god read the dam stickies
Hayah Theos	Posted - 2006.12.02 17:43:00 - [75] Thank You Mr. Dark Shikari for your response which was glaringly devoid of any factual refutation and thus of any argumentative value. In other words, you rebuttal fails. Aside from that fact, it is clear from your postings in other threads on this forum that you are very much in favor of maintaining the T2 BPO CARTEL HEGEMONY in this game. One might suspect you have personal interests in this matter, eh? So my response to you is THPPPTTT! As for a reply to Mr. Minsc's response, my concern is not so much with the individual comparative combat values of T1 vs T2 ships and components as it is with the collective strategic attritional inequities in effect when a small group of players have been given (yes given, not earned or built) a source of isk so rich that they can afford to lose ships almost without consequence, and furthermore, can do so using ships and equipment of the highest quality in the game. Additionally, as long as T2 BPOs are only added to the game in small numbers, this same few will continue to maintain their exclusive control of their position by simply buying the new BPOs from the the players who get them for prices they can't refuse (essentially giving that player a relatively small piece of the CARTEL pie). Now it is true that T2 BPO CARTEL members like ASCN, BOB, CVS, or RA can and do actually go to war with each other over turf from time to time, (GOOD FOR THEM, THEY GET TO PLAY EVE! AND WHY NOT? CCP GAVE THEM THE GOOSE THAT LAYS THE GOLDEN EGGS SO THEY OWN THE GAME DON'T THEY?!) but unless you want to become one of their "bootlicks", what does that have to do with you as a PAYING, PLAYING member of the 95% peasant-class of EVE? It means that although you can plan, organize, recruit, and finally build until you are blue in the face, in the end you will be squashed like a bug by one of these elephants when they finally take notice of you. As I said before, "Who want's to play Poker when the dealer is stacking the deck?" NOBODY! When a gamer subscribes to EVE, I suggest they believe that, although there are already players in the game more developed than they are, the playing field itself and the game system is level for all players. IT IS NOT. A MINORITY ARE LOCKED INTO A POSITION TANTAMOUNT TO ROYALTY, SUPPORTED BY CCP'S REFUSAL TO RECOGNIZE THE ERROR OF CONTINUING THE T2 LOTTERY THRU VERY LIMITED BPO ADDITIONS. THE CARTEL WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE ONLY ONES PLAYING THIS GAME UNTIL THEY ARE BROKEN BACK DOWN TO EARTH WITH THE REST OF US MERE MORTALS. Now as for a constructive suggestion to CCP for a solution! CCP want's game conflict?? This situation is made in heaven for a major war between the 5% HAVES and the 95% HAVE NOTS. The basic problem is the power imbalance CCP created when they introduced the T2 lottery in the first place. This has to be reversed. The easiest and least disruptive way to do this would be to immediately convert all T2 BPOs to limited BPCs (LOW COPIES) and let T3 be developed only thru invention. ONLY ALLOW T3 BPCs, NO BPOs! (You can tweak the economy thru invention rate tweaks). Over time, new power centers would rise to challenge the CARTEL who no longer have their Golden Egg Goose. If the CARTEL tries to buy up the T3, their wealth will be distributed to T3 inventors, the playing field will be leveled, and that will fund more conflict. With no BPOs, the Goose is dead and everybody wins! (Yeah, I know the CARTEL won't be happy, but those pigs have been feeding at the "free buffet" for too long already. And when the above happens and they start whining, we can tell them the same thing they kept telling us! " Oh, T2 BPOs don't make or break this game, Quit whining!" LOL!)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.02 22:39:00 - [76] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/12/2006 22:44:04 Originally by: Hayah Theos Thank You Mr. Dark Shikari for your response which was glaringly devoid of any factual refutation and thus of any argumentative value. In other words, you rebuttal fails. Aside from that fact, it is clear from your postings in other threads on this forum that you are very much in favor of maintaining the T2 BPO CARTEL HEGEMONY in this game. One might suspect you have personal interests in this matter, eh? So my response to you is THPPPTTT! I don't own a single T2 BPO. You do not need T2 BPOs to earn money. There are about three major T2 BPO cartels in the game, each on a single item. And that's about it. There's your facts. Oh, and ranting isn't allowed on the forums. P.S. You're bitter because you're lazy. The people who get T2 BPOs are the ones who work for them and then buy them with their hard-earned cash. If you are too lazy to earn money to buy your own, you are no better than a beggar. You are doing nothing but flaming those who are, quite honestly, better than you. I can understand you flaming some lucky bastard who got a Hulk BPO, but those who have hundreds of blueprints usually won very few or none--they earned every last one of them. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Hayah Theos	Posted - 2006.12.03 01:11:00 - [77] Mr. Shikari, I never said you had to have a T2 BPO to make money. I did say that the CARTELS with T2 BPOs make more isk and T2 ships/mods than you and all your possible allies combined could ever hope to compete with. As for 3 CARTELS holding one item each, you are ill informed. As for me being bitter out of laziness, I am not. I am however disappointed after playing EVE for nearly a year only to discover that the game is "rigged". As for ranting, these forums are for paying subscribers. I subscribe by the year. That makes my post a valid opinion, not a rant.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.03 03:53:00 - [78] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/12/2006 03:53:23 Originally by: Hayah Theos Mr. Shikari, I never said you had to have a T2 BPO to make money. I did say that the CARTELS with T2 BPOs make more isk and T2 ships/mods than you and all your possible allies combined could ever hope to compete with. As for 3 CARTELS holding one item each, you are ill informed. Well as CEO of STUFF (with my alt), a T2 reselling corporation, I know a very large number of who-sells-whats. By definition, everything we resell is held by more than one producer (as the producer who sells to us usually has only one BPO). We also have no non-compete agreements with anyone else, so by definition anything we sell can't be part of a cartel. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Hayah Theos	Posted - 2006.12.03 07:05:00 - [79] Ah Mr. Shikari, Now the truth is revealed! It is always important to know an opinion's source before you judge it. You have no T2 BPOs, but as I suggested in my earlier posting, you are, in fact, a T2 BPO CARTEL BOOTLICK! You are by your own admission a "middle-man". You do, in fact, have a vested interest in the CARTEL and, as such, are just a bit biased, eh? But that aside and setting aside your denial of having any non-compete agreement with anyone else in the T2 market, tell me what you call it in a market that mysteriously never discounts their products from an apparently pegged price? A market where nobody can enter to offer the product at a slightly more efficient price. CAN YOU SAY MONOPOLISTIC CARTEL? Please show me the one example of useful "in-demand" T2 items (forget the useless ones of no value) where natural competetive market forces have reduced prices? I don't see it. I here your denial of price fixing, but the market evidence says otherwise. Don't take this as a personal attack. You are not responsible for setting the conditions that cause you to behave in an anti-competetive manner. Seeking maximum profit is just good business sense. What is wrong with EVE are the T2 supply conditions that CCP has artificially limited that has created the circumstances that your suppliers and other "bootlicks" like yourself are exploiting. This prevents the majority of the players of EVE from using the very weapons they need to effectively compete on the battlefield and provides the CARTEL and it's members with isk and equipment that enables them to win any war of attrition they choose to wage. I will have to revise one statement I made about you earlier that was wrong and that is that you and your allies ARE capable of competing with the CARTEL since you are, in fact, PART OF IT. Thanks again, for playing! Please come again!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.03 13:16:00 - [80] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/12/2006 13:22:26 Originally by: Hayah Theos Please show me the one example of useful "in-demand" T2 items (forget the useless ones of no value) where natural competetive market forces have reduced prices? I don't see it. I here your denial of price fixing, but the market evidence says otherwise. Oooh, oooh, its an ad hominem attack! If you want anyone to do anything but laugh at you hysterically, I suggest you stop it. Try going to debate club at your middle school and learning what it means to debate something. Please show me one example of T2 items with the exception of BCS2, cap recharger II, and cloaks where there is any evidence of a cartel. Even those three items I'm not entirely sure about. There might be one or two I've missed, but that's about it. I know for a fact that there is no cartel on any T2 ship in EVE. For the Hulk, there is someone who owns four BPOs, but four, unfortunately for him, isn't enough to make a cartel. But fortunately for him, carebears keep buying the hulks at 500m a pop! P.S. Want an example of a high-priced T2 item where competitive forces drive down prices? Try Siege Missile Launcher IIs. The undercutting in Jita is so insane that I've gone for an entire week without selling any once. It only goes back up when enough carebear mission runners buy more that they pull the price back up. Another example is Armor Explosive Hardener IIs. I bought a whole bunch at around 7m, expecting to sell at 8m... and by the time I sold more than two, the price was down to 5.5m. If you want more examples, watch Cerberus and Nighthawk price. The Drake is so much better than the Cerberus that the Cerberus will likely utterly collapse in price, as there is no cartel on it. Of course, being a conspiracy theorist, you will deny everything I have posted and simply yell that I'm part of an even bigger conspiracy of tens of thousands of producers to raise prices to annoy you. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Hayah Theos	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:09:00 - [81] Edited by: Hayah Theos on 03/12/2006 21:23:15 Edited by: Hayah Theos on 03/12/2006 21:20:52 Dear Mr.Shikari, I am quite willing to let the general membership of Eve decide whether is it an ad hominem attack upon your person to point out that you have more than a significant personal interest in the trade circumstances surrounding the cartels we have been discussing. Enough to put any "middle-school" student (more ad hominem?) on guard concerning the impartiality of your opinions on the matter. Then rather than answering my question, "Please show me the one example of useful "in-demand" T2 items (forget the useless ones of no value) where natural competetive market forces have reduced prices?", you respond with a question. Your question, "Please show me one example of T2 items with the exception of BCS2, cap recharger II, and cloaks where there is any evidence of a cartel", curiously begins by excluding three of the most exclusively cartel controlled items!!! You then admit "there might be one or two (you've) missed", but top that understatement of the year off by saying that "I know for a fact that there is no cartel on any T2 ship in EVE." THEN, AS IF YOU BELIEVE THE GENERAL PLAYERS IN EVE ARE TOO STUPID TO READ WHAT YOU JUST SAID.. IN YOUR NEXT BREATH, YOU PROVIDE PROOF THAT THE PRICING ON "USEFUL" T2 SHIPS IS RIDICULOUSLY HIGH DUE TO CARTEL MONOPOLY BY GIVING THE HULK AS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE WORST OFFENDERS!! FURTHERMORE, YOU HAVE THE ABSURDITY TO BLAME THE PRICING OF THE HULK ON THE CAREBEARS WHO "keep buying the hulks at 500m a pop!". What other price can they pay, but whatever the cartel dictates? Their only option is to simply not use them, while the few who are CARTEL GODS AND CRONIES can obtain them at the cost of the materials to build them. Your whole response would be funny if it weren't so pathetically self-serving. Do you not see how this CCP lottery created advantage has strategically and attritionally predetemined victory for the cartel members in any contest they choose? I guess you really enjoy playing Poker with a stacked deck, as long as you get to stack the deck and do the dealing. P.S. As for your "P.S." examples, all of those items exhibit price competition because there are alternative faction and models available. They are, by definition, NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM BECAUSE ALTERNATIVES OF COMPARABLE QUALITY EXIST FROM AMONG WHICH BUYERS MAY CHOOSE. No such alternatives exist for the "useful" T2 ships. That is the very essence of the problem. As for who will win in our "debate", as you put it, I'll happily rely on the generally high level of the EVE community intelligence and the obvious T2 ship pricing to do the convincing of our readers. Unlike EVE's T2 ship market, this forum is an open and free market of ideas and I don't think many will be buying your arguement.
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:22:00 - [82] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 03/12/2006 21:24:31 Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 30/11/2006 00:13:12 I dont know if it works, but uber refresh on the vote page too. Im going to marco it ;P As a long time member of MMORPG.COM I have to say that people like you just irritate the hell out of me. I love EVE. I voted for it in several (but not all) categories. But I voted ONCE. I did not 'macro' it and I do not see a need to. Please folks, if you vote, vote HONESTLY and vote ONCE As a fellow EVE player who happens to be a very long time member of MMORPG.COM have a little decency and honesty when you post and vote there. Otherwise you make the awards meaningless. Show some of the maturity our playerbase is widely regarded as having.

Deckard Bishop Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:37:00 - [83] thread cleaned this thread is about the MMORPG Awards 2006 Nominees, please feel free to leave comments or opinions regarding voting. Off topic posts will be removed. Please remember that trolling, flaming and ranting are not allowed. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website!

Ikarushka A.O.U. Corp	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:53:00 - [84] heh, and the award thread on the mmorpg.com got into WoW vs. Eve flames, so sad... either way I left my vote there
nobjockey	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:33:00 - [85] I VOTE FOR WORLD OF WARCRAFT , TEH BESTEST GAMEZOR EVA!11ONE
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2006.12.05 11:42:00 - [86] Originally by: nobjockey I VOTE FOR WORLD OF WARCRAFT , TEH BESTEST GAMEZOR EVA!11ONE N00bzorlet! Real gamers play checkers!
Kylania Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.05 20:33:00 - [87] They are into the finals now, and it appears to be EVE vs WoW in all categories! Go vote again and let your voice be heard!! -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| CCG Card Lookup

Ductoris Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.06 02:03:00 - [88] Time to Vote! forum rules \| Email us\| Our Website! "Wait, there is a game?" There is no game -Kaemonn We wub you ductoris - Xorus <3 teh ducky - Immy


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