Are you really suggesting that the purpose of C&P is for people to be happy because others are unhappy?

Visited it couple times i could think so....

Can't really argue with that assessment.

When a game has more information about boss fight tactics, positioning and class makeup online than history of the game or in-game lore, it's a themepark. It all gets boiled down to mobbing trash to the raid boss then all standing in certain spots while pressing butans. Mindless, boring and completely free of challenge.

Theme park. Where nothing is actually dangerous.

World of Warcraft and SWTOR are "themepark" mmo games; you go from one zone to the next as you level up, and each zone has a theme.

EVE Online is a "sandbox" mmo, you get thrown in, get some ships, and can go anywhere do anything you want. Build your own sandcastle in the sand.

If you use WoW terms like "guild", "toon", "quest", people may tell you to go back to WoW or that themeparks are that way ->, meaning you have to get used to playing EVE like it's a different game from other MMO's, because it is.

I don't hate other MMOs, I hate people who expect all MMOs to be the same (or claim to through their actions).

The truth is that there are a LOT of "sandbox incompatible" players who play Sandbox games (not just EVE) and complain about lack of theme park features.

1. EVE you hate people over something like that?

2. EVE is more of a "litter box".

This would classify nearly every game (except brand new games amusingly, until they got big) as a themepark, EVE included. And dude, EVE isn't dangerous either, ships are just better categorised as consumables. Pretty much all you ever need to risk n EVE boils down to isk, which there's enough of that it's pretty much irrelevant to most people these days.

EvE is not like this. there is a small theme park in that you CAN run missions, 1-5, you can go to incursions which has a natural progression of easy to hard. But this is basically like going to the Santa Cruiz beach board walk. you have the theme park area, but also the beach to go play in with tools littered all over.

i do not think people want "to beat a game".
it is just impossible to create a an endless game in a certain amount of time.

from this Point of view, MMOs are those endless games. WoW is like that. ppl hunger for more entertainment. blizzard delivers. No need to create extra social contacts.
Thats the reason for those lonewolfs playing multiplayergames. Because more content gets created as times go by.

eve and wow differ in the theme of the park. one is scifi, one is fantasy.
eve is a theme park too, one where some attraction is like sticks lying around where you can beat other players or puppets in the park. the owner still has to deliver new kinds of sticks or more surroundings and interesting opportuninities, to have the players to hide and seek.

but eve too , is a themepark.
Player content?
When it comes(?) to repetition, its even worse. There is not so much different content.
Waiting for easy kills at bubbles. Waiting for easy gank targets. The tactics are more repetetive than gameplay in WoW can be. If you are thinking it over and being honest, you know that.

Hey "E-Ticket" grandpa, missions are not a progression themepark mechanic

If they were, you'd level-up by doing them. 5yrs into the game, you might find yourself grinding lvl1's to raise faction and standings. Missions have and do fit well inside a sandbox. EVE isn't the first sandbox to do so. gramps.

PotC was so much better before the johnny depp makeover. Well, at least they didn't cast MaAatt DAAaamooon as Capt. Jack Sparrow.

its as close to a theme park area as eve has,

Theme parks are places filled with content to be consumed and happiness for all people.

Eve is not such a place.

In eve you make content rather than have it spoon fed and the competitive nature creates winners and losers.

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

In a true sandbox the traditionally held concepts of winning and losing are largely meaningless, there is no set win condition and winning and losing are entirely subjective experiences that can vary considerably between people.

close to it... well you could say the same thing about mining then, in fact more so because it's actually a static encounter. EVE is obviously not a pure sandbox, it's an openworld mmo (more reminiscent of a simulator e.g. sandbox-simulator er or simulated-sandbox). Openworld shouldn't be confused with themepark, design mechanics tend to be a bit different. The only pure sandbox mmo I can think of is secondlife. I still have an old book of Disney tickets btw

As above.

I keep seeing this reference in forum replies on various topics..

Can someone give me the idiot-friendly translation please.


Thank you

It's a kind of insidious, "Borg-Like" Carebearism where people can't just go play games that make them happy, they need to go into games they don't like (made by companies they can't stand) and make them CONFORM. And it does not work in reverse, when I play Star Trek Online you don't get legions of people asking for 'more sandbox', you get people asking for more theme park ("When are we going to see higher level caps!!!").

As above.

I keep seeing this reference in forum replies on various topics..

Can someone give me the idiot-friendly translation please.


Thank you