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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:59:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Protunia
They are T1 and they have extra bonuses built in. What I see is people wanting them to be better than T 2.
Okay, lets look at T1 vs faction vs. T2:
Ship bonuses:
T1 = 2
Empire Faction = 2
Pirate Faction = 3 (combined avg of +25%)
T2 = 4 (+100%)
Slots:
T1 = +0
Faction = +1 (+10%*)
T2 = +1 to +3 (avg +20%*)
* Hard to quantify but I value one slot at 10%, seeing how like an additional damage mod increases damage by 20ish%, and damage is usually half a ships power.
Resistances:
T1 = +0
Faction = +0
T2 = +75%/+50%7+0%/+0% (avg. of +31.25%)
Hitpoints:
T1 = +0
Faction = ~ +50%
T2 = ~ +35%
Calibration points:
T1 = 200 (+0)
Faction = 150 (-25%)
T2 = 300 (+50%)
Now lets do the unspeakable and just sum these numbers up without any weighting:
T1 = +0%
Faction = +60%
T2 = +236.25%
Yeah, faction ships are really sooooo close to T2 ones... 
Now giving faction ships 250 calibration points would result in:
T1 = +0%
Faction = +110%
T2 = +236.25%
That seems a lot more reasonable to me. Keeps them right in the middle instead of nerfing them towards T1.
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Norath84
Gallente
Idle Haven
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:11:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Tuxford
I just realize there really isn't an option to nerf these guys once fitted. The rigs would still be fitted to ships and we'd have to run a script that unloads them from your ships, or hunt each and every "overpowered" ship down and kill it, which is probably more fun.
I still have a 250 of 200 cal points hyp on the test server atm
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:19:00 -
[33]
Well boosted or not we really need rigs with 50 calibration points (dont remember to see them ), with rigs requiring 100/75 points is impossible to fit to fullfill the 200 points in tec1 ships in 3 slots 
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:21:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Paigan
i always thougth faction ships would be better because the faction's navy has access to better quality / technology and therefor can construct ships slightly better?
If you now say "no they are not better at all, they just fit some rigs fixed", then faction ships ARE INDEED equal in principle to normal T1 ships.
Well faction ships are the same size as t1 ships, so all that spiffy new stuff has to go somewhere. Navies are just more efficient at squeezing junk into their ships, now us pod pilots are catching up with rigs even though we still havent quite reached their level.
Originally by: Paigan
Now after Kali, the CNR owners will see their raven collegues saying "omg i just accomplished that amazing rig fitting" and won't be able to do the same, even though they've spent 1+ bil for some harldy better collector's item.
They dont have to as even with Rigs a t1 raven still wont compare to a navy raven.
Originally by: Paigan
Really, i can hardly believe that a normal player would defend every nonsense made so encouraged like you in the last time if he is no dev's alt.
Or at least GM's alt or something (or paid? :-P)
I'm not normal... i'm Dutch.
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Kyozoku
Loot
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:23:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Kyozoku on 22/11/2006 12:26:32
Originally by: Tuxford
The faction ships have less calibration points as they are already pre pimped. Same goes for tech 2 ships that can fit better rigs but have fewer slots.
Still it's rather odd how many ships have more rig slots than they can possibly fit rigs to. Are there any plans to tweak calibration costs or introduce 50 point rigs?
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Zallazaer
Caldari
Shinra Cosa Nostra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:39:00 -
[36]
Originally by: murder one
Faction are even more unique than T2. They should have better fittings. But all this debate about faction/t2 etc. isn't the point. The point is that they nerfed the rig fitting.[/quote
In the past the devs have made it quite clear that faction ships are improved T1 ships and not designed to outperform T2 ships.
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Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.22 13:18:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Tuxford
I just realize there really isn't an option to nerf these guys once fitted. The rigs would still be fitted to ships and we'd have to run a script that unloads them from your ships, or hunt each and every "overpowered" ship down and kill it, which is probably more fun.
That had me laughing out loud XD
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