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Lunadi
Minmatar Solar Trade
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Posted - 2006.11.22 15:26:00 -
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I do not know much about all those combat configurations, but reading all those threads it seems like everyone is just shoting out loud to boost they caldari/gallente/amarr ships. But not much votes for the minmatars... Well are you ok with them? or just no one cares about them anymore...?
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.22 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 22/11/2006 15:58:44 hurricane was a nice ship and it was nerfed... now is not a bad ship... but the nerf was not necessary (expecially now that myrm got boosted to be gank+ew+tank ship all in one)
maelstrom is quite a garbage, useless in fleet (its role) due to shield boost and arty actual situation, not so usefull in gangs for its low dps, not so good in solo as is very slow and use mids to tank....
it can build a good active tank (as the rokh) or fit a lot of damps (as the rokh) but that's all
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.22 15:42:00 -
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Its really not the ships that I'm dissatisfied with, except for the shield boost bonus on the Mael, thats pretty bad.
But the nerf to Barrage really hurts. AC's werent that great with unnerfed barrage, now will be even worse. The nerf to Tremor range and now damage really blows especially with the Rokh coming in as a super long range ship. (to anyone saying pest will outdamage it...not at 230k it wont)
So I'm almost satisfied with the ships themselves, not satisfied at all with the rest of the package. Pretty huge blow to people who've invested a lot of training time specializing in large arties.
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MECTO
Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.22 15:42:00 -
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Hurricane is best bc [even after nerf]
and Maelstorm are decent.. [still better then Hyperion]
wanna fly hurricane
It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it?
Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
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Atar
Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.22 15:44:00 -
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I'm not a big BS user, have Mini BS 5 though and yea, Maelstrom isn't to good, rather have a nice AC setup design.
Becasue I'm not a big BS user, I was really looking forward to the hurricane not so much as an auto platform, but for artys and it really needs the 7th slot back, as I posted before in another thread. Leave the PG, give back the 7th and take away all launchers.
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Mak'shar Karrde
Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.22 16:01:00 -
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I'm not all that happy about our new Battleship as the nerf to long range ammo and the optimal bonus on the Rokh make it a second best sniper (the only reason I fly Battleships).
I was in love with the Hurricane up to the nerf. Not so much anymore.
Our new ships never got a chance. They were nerfed before they left the space docks.
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Kadesh
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Posted - 2006.11.22 16:10:00 -
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pity.... i really was looking foward to lvling my minnie alt but looks like im just gonna train iwin blasters and move on to the myrm.
truly is a dang shame i really loved the hurricane of course people complain too much when their tactics and iwin buttons don't work. One thing ive come to learn is jump on the bandwagon because the greater population of whiners always usually gets what they want. After all 300 statisfied people means nothing compared to 14k happy people.
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Nifel
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 17:54:00 -
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I'm ok with the Hurricane. Was to be expected. 6x guns with double damage bonuses just like the tempest.
I'm very dissapointed with the Maelstrom. Could've been a great ship. Could still be a great ship if the shield boost bonus was changed to something useful. Several suggestions have been offered with no feedback.
And the ships that can fit oversized extenders/plates are mmhmmmm...
"When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.11.22 18:06:00 -
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Isn't it great that Tux promised to think about changing the bonus away from the sucking shield boost one that got removed from Caldari ships for its suckiness? I am sure that's just missing in the current build. Same as the sekseh stuff he was thunking up for the Bellicose.
Well, I was pretty happy with the Bellicose being a sniping missile boat with a lot of drones. But we're not really allowed to be happy with Matari designs.
Last nice thing I heard was another speed reduction ... --*=*=*--
The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
Tiuwaz
Minmatar Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.22 18:08:00 -
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maelstrom = a disappointment, it was designed to be sniper and utterly fails at it and has a completely useless bonus for that role (shield boost bonus)
its only good as sentry tanker and as a heavily tanked gangship (which i'll use it for)
hurricane = nerf wasnt needed, its still good but just requires more sp now then before, nerfed as arty boat which was never even an issue
Barrage = the tracking nerf hurts minnis more than the other races in my opinion
alpha strike = nerfed back and beyond, and in the same patch they give amarr a ship with equal alpha to tempest and superior dps, my ass is starting to feel very sore at this point
Everyone says that his mother thinks noncap using waeponsystems will gain an edge, i dont really agree with them (well in some cases i agree). Any ship bigger than a cruiser will sport a capinjector in kali and even some cruisers >_>. 50% more cap combined with reduced volume of capcharges will prevent alot of ca****ues.
In short as a minni i am not that enthusiastic about Kali
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Bellum Veritas
Minmatar CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.22 18:33:00 -
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Hurricane - Prenerf was f*ckin awesome! Postnerf, still f*ckin awesome. Okay, I accept that the Hurricane would have made a sick Arty platform (for a change) and I also accept that the 1600mm plate needs a change, not an entire ship. However, imho, I can still fit a completely sick AC setup and still have a monster tank. So, I can cry about not having a decent dedicated smarty boat, or I can adapt and live dangerously.
Maelstrom - Well, I don't know what to think about this ship. I fitted a nice AC setup on it and tanking with it isn't bad. I would have loved to see a better bonus (Shield tanking WTF?) but, I'll again make do.
Bellicose - I've not flown this on Sisi but if they made some positive changes to it, it's going back to being my favorite ship. I flew the Bellicose when everyone laughed at it. I love that d*mned ship and making it a strict missile boat is just the best thing to happen to any tier 1 Matari ship since the game began.
Overall, most Matari pilots are used to playing EVE in hard mode. We'll continue to be the underdogs, no matter what goodies they give us. I fly my ships in spite of the fact that most of the bonii are weird and I'll need 9-12m sp's to effectively fly them. You ain't seen anything yet, EVE.
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Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.22 18:49:00 -
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I love the Maelstrom (with ACs) for the fact it's FINALLY a full out turret ship. I was praying for the Hurricane to stay that way too but i guess it's impossible.
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Red Six
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 18:59:00 -
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I don't like the active shield tank bonus for the Cyclone and Maelstrom. Change that to a speed bonus and make them true AC boats or change them to shield HP bonuses for tanking. Minmatar ships don't have the capacitor to be very effective active tanks. I already have to carry alot of large projo ammo then try and carry cap boosters just sucks for long raids away from a base. The changes have reduced cap charges size which helps some but combat has been extended with the HP change so it's still balanced. The changes could have improved the capacitors on these ships but from reading Tux's blog I see nothing that states these two ship received anything but standard treatment for cap changes.
Originally by: Eridu Fallen
Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick.
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Ed Gein
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.22 19:05:00 -
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Minmatar don't whine that often because we are used to being at a disadvantage. I chose to fly minmatar because I like they idea of the ships, and how rough around the edges their ships seem.
Maelstrom is good for npc'ing. I think thats what they were going for with it. Its not great in fleets simply because its not that much better than the tempest. If you get called primary, shield boost per level isn't going to save you.
Hurricane is a great ship, even after the nerf. It is not the best BC though, heh, not after the devs though it would be cool to give BS damage to a non-BS ship back to the gallente. Not going to whine though, they myrmie is going to be my new npc boat.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.11.22 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Pan Crastus on 22/11/2006 20:59:11 Maelstrom is useless except for missions, but I got my Machariel for those.
Hurricane was a good idea, but is substandard since the nerf, so it's rather depressing for someone with Minnie skills to think of Kali, where all other races get ships that are at least good at *something* (best sniper, best battlecruiser, best gank battleship).
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.22 21:01:00 -
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Not really, neither of them are different enough.
Maelstrom is a fleet BS with an active tanking bonus (yay). It does nothing that the tempest can't.
My views on the hurricane are here
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Bellum Veritas
Minmatar CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:39:00 -
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The Maelstrom will be the next best ship for ratting/mission whoring, under the Raven. It's a tanking machine with a capability to fit quite a bit of good stuff. Level 4's will be a breeze in that thing.
I'm still out on the Hurricane. It would have been nice to fit a full 7 720mm's on that thing and have a good time. However, I still think it's got a lot of potential. We'll see in about 4 days.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:45:00 -
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I think the Minnys (ship wise) have had a pretty good deal of it overall. The Hurricane is still, by all accounts, a solid ship (both pre- and post-nerf, although the jury's out which way was better balanced) and I havn't heard any major complaints about the Mael.
What with the Caldari's Rokh awesomeness but Drake drama, Gall's Myrmidon rags to riches and Hyperion "wahts it for again?" problems, and the general rollercoaster of emotions that always come with Amarr ship design, Minny's should be greatful of the stable quality their ships are at -----------------------------------------------
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 I think the Minnys (ship wise) have had a pretty good deal of it overall. The Hurricane is still, by all accounts, a solid ship (both pre- and post-nerf, although the jury's out which way was better balanced) and I havn't heard any major complaints about the Mael.
Maelstrom is very much disliked, but we have just gotten tired of whining about it. And I dont share your views on the Hurricane either actually, mostly because I feel its supposed to be able to take on the other battlecruisers and not t1 cruisers.
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Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Isyel on 24/11/2006 17:09:14
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Patch86 I think the Minnys (ship wise) have had a pretty good deal of it overall. The Hurricane is still, by all accounts, a solid ship (both pre- and post-nerf, although the jury's out which way was better balanced) and I havn't heard any major complaints about the Mael.
Maelstrom is very much disliked, but we have just gotten tired of whining about it. And I dont share your views on the Hurricane either actually, mostly because I feel its supposed to be able to take on the other battlecruisers and not t1 cruisers.
Agreed completely. I like the Maelstrom more than the Phoon or Tempest for one simple reason though - guns. It has mainly (only) guns. FINALLY, was about time we got a pure turret ship.
It's why i hate the Hurricane nerf too, it lost all of its flavor. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. *sigh* |
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Ed Gein
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Isyel
Agreed completely. I like the Maelstrom more than the Phoon or Tempest for one simple reason though - guns. It has mainly (only) guns. FINALLY, was about time we got a pure turret ship.
What was wrong with the tempest 0_o. If anything, 6 guns and 2 nos are more effective in todays pvp than 8 guns. Not to mention the tempest has a damage bonus which is nearly equal to the dps of the maelstrom with 8 guns.
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Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Isyel on 24/11/2006 17:20:50
Originally by: Ed Gein
Originally by: Isyel
Agreed completely. I like the Maelstrom more than the Phoon or Tempest for one simple reason though - guns. It has mainly (only) guns. FINALLY, was about time we got a pure turret ship.
What was wrong with the tempest 0_o. If anything, 6 guns and 2 nos are more effective in todays pvp than 8 guns. Not to mention the tempest has a damage bonus which is nearly equal to the dps of the maelstrom with 8 guns.
You don't get it. There's NOTHING wrong with the pest. But i wanted, for once, an entirely GUNship. None of that missiles crap. (or nosfs, blasted nosfs).
I'm minmatar. I wouldn't be minmatar if i wasn't somehow masochistic and refuse to go with the flow and do whatever "today's pvp" requires. pfft.
Well ok, one thing's wrong with it. It's ugly while the Mael is sexy. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. *sigh* |
Atar
Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:24:00 -
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Heh, I might not me minmatar, but I'm as Minmatar as you can get with out being one and yes 8 guns on the maelstrom is cool, but ****it give us back the Hurricane.
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Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Atar Heh, I might not me minmatar, but I'm as Minmatar as you can get with out being one and yes 8 guns on the maelstrom is cool, but ****it give us back the Hurricane.
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solarwinds
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:40:00 -
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The Hurricane is still a good ship, maybe not as kick ass as it was, but it lost a little of it's gank. It can still tank nicely and spam medium projectiles at a good RoF. I'll fly it regardless.
No comment on the Maelstrom, no experience with it.
I got my hopes up when someone said Bellicose = missile boat. That would be a dream come true - a 5% launcher RoF bonus and 7.5% target painter bonus = death to small ships. 5 launchers would put it on par with the Caracal and give Matari something new to play with. Room enough for 2 BCU's in the lows with one free, and 3 mids for tanking if needed - a nice variation of the 5 mid 2 low of the Caracal. CCP should consider this - the Breacher is the missile-spewing frigate (very cool but massively underused) and the Typhoon is the missile-spewing battleship (ability to fit 5 launchers (or 6 cruise) would pwn, tho). We have no missile-spewing cruiser and I have good missile skills!!!
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