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eff one
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:10:00 -
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Okay, so i know this guy used an exploit, but its seems the Gm's wont do anything. The character that did it is known to do it among him and his alt's.
Anyway, so i completed the plex, about to scoop My loot when he nicks the can, thats okay, his aggroed me, ive got 2 points and a web, his toast. The moment i open up on him he dissapears, gone, no warping, nothing. Although his aggro timer still means he appears in local.
It was the most blatant exploit, yet the best response i got was 'our logs don't show an exploit.' So what i wanna know is what exactly do these logs show then!???
So, as his not gonna get punished his obviously gonna do it again, which means i loose out on spending more money for keys and a load of time wasted.
Is there anyway of getting these guys banned?, as it is a definate exploit that is highly frustrating.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:12:00 -
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ctrl+q?
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Demarcus
Project Gemini
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:12:00 -
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The guy prob just kicked on a burst ECM then cloaked.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/11/2006 11:13:00
 Originally by: eff one
So what i wanna know is what exactly do these logs show then!???
It varies really, GM Stoffer once found a bananna in his logs. There are records there ever being anything in the logs, the GM's however do claim that logs indeed show them things... sometimes... most of time... well unless a player is looking for help...
On a more serious note, the GM's unfortunatly dont seem too fussed with the whole exploiting, farming, ebaying and other assorted things.
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Robert Dobbs
Church Of The Subgenius
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:12:00 -
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You were lagged, the guy had already warped out, it's just you didn't see it for a few seconds, when he appeared to "disappear"
Just so you know, if somebody logs, they will NOT appear in Local, even if they have an aggro timer.
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eff one
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:17:00 -
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Okay so this guys in a shield boosting caracal nay issue, dont think he has the ability to cloak and ecm burst me... infact not a chance.
And to the other guy, this player is known for doing this, especially as one of his alts was supposdly banned because of a similar exploit, but nothing became of that.
Tbh, my computer very rarely suffers from lag, and has never suffered to that degree, so for the notion of me being lagged and him warping out is unbelievable... apperntly it is to some GM's though....
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Robert Dobbs
Church Of The Subgenius
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: eff one
especially as one of his alts was supposdly banned because of a similar exploit
Is this hearsay?
Because at the moment it just sounds like you're screaming "HAX0RZ!!"
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eff one
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:28:00 -
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Okay i just spoke to the guy that told me about the other guys running the plex that exploit. He said that he never got banned and had a similar response to me by the GM's.
Nevertheless, he said it was a definate exploit, and was very similay to mine. Except the guy kept dissapering and reappearing when locked. And no he didnt use an ecm burst and cloak before you say so.
Theres no need for me to lie, these guys are definatly exploiting, and when it comes down to doing the plex, its nearly impossible to beat, its a 'i win button' everytiome for them.
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iaitate
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Because at the moment it just sounds like you're screaming "HAX0RZ!!"
roflacopter
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
The guy prob just kicked on a burst ECM then cloaked.
Risky thing to do in highsec.
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Robert Dobbs
Church Of The Subgenius
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: eff one
Nevertheless, he said it was a definate exploit
Remember the rule; Fraps or it didn't happen. If this dude is actually exploiting, catch him again but get it FRAPSed. Otherwise, please don't whine on the forums, because it's not going to change the GM's response.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/11/2006 11:38:00
Originally by: eff one
Okay, so i know this guy used an exploit, but its seems the Gm's wont do anything. The character that did it is known to do it among him and his alt's.
Anyway, so i completed the plex, about to scoop My loot when he nicks the can, thats okay, his aggroed me, ive got 2 points and a web, his toast. The moment i open up on him he dissapears, gone, no warping, nothing. Although his aggro timer still means he appears in local.
It was the most blatant exploit, yet the best response i got was 'our logs don't show an exploit.' So what i wanna know is what exactly do these logs show then!???
So, as his not gonna get punished his obviously gonna do it again, which means i loose out on spending more money for keys and a load of time wasted.
Is there anyway of getting these guys banned?, as it is a definate exploit that is highly frustrating.
The guy probably grabbed the can, quit the game and relogged to another char. They should fix it or make it a bannable offense tbh. I'm really getting sick of it.
CTD/con-loss vs. regular log-out. A proposal ...
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Krashtest
Exploratory Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:36:00 -
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All he did was nick the can and then logged off. Not an exploit as you can still scan probe his ship down, though he did not aggress you. Once you aggrod him , you can probe him, as his ship will still be within 1 au of that position even though he logged an alt on to make his ship "disappear".
Only remedy is to have a prober nearby. Not sure if nicking can is considered an aggro in the ship timer though.
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Robert Dobbs
Church Of The Subgenius
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum
The guy probably grabbed the can, quit the game and relogged to another char. They should fix it or make it a bannable offense tbh. I'm really getting sick of it.
If the dude had logged, he wouldn't appear in local. According to the OP, he was still in local.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/11/2006 12:03:27
Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Plutoinum
The guy probably grabbed the can, quit the game and relogged to another char. They should fix it or make it a bannable offense tbh. I'm really getting sick of it.
If the dude had logged, he wouldn't appear in local. According to the OP, he was still in local.
He wrote: 'Although his aggro timer still means he appears in local.' I don't think he meant the guys appeared still in the local list.
So I supposed he grabbed the can, relogged to another char, while the OP targetted him and fired and a few seconds later the guy disappeared from space without warping off. Standard 0.0 tactics nowadays. 
P.S.: If now a mod comes and tells me that I describe exploits, then I ask CCP to declare it an exploit first. Current policy is: 'We can't tell people when to log-on and off.'  But my hope is that the more people get annoyed by it, the more likely it is that CCP fixes it. Yes to a loggoffski nerf !
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: eff one
Gm's wont do anything
GM's will, but not on pure speculation or hearsay. Getting proof might be the hard part.
Some questions in attempt to figure what really is happening there:
- You indicate you got him locked; what your logs say? Did any of your modules or guns activate on him?
- You also mention he stayed in local, which is definite proof that he did not log off (if you have aggression timer and you log off, your ship will stay in space, but your portrait will vanish from the local chat immediately).
Also, if things like this happen, the screenshot key (Print Scrn) is your friend; unlike Fraps/Gamecam, it is always available.
The case sounds interesting, assuming he has some trick. Then again, it could be something pretty 'normal' thing you merely are not familiar with. Describing events in detail might help.
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Mirasta
Caldari
Enigma Enterprises
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:57:00 -
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Unless he was stabbed and you wernt looking directly at his sip when he warped away.
many many things can explain this tbh.
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DazWozUK
Caldari
Syntax Error
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Posted - 2006.11.23 13:30:00 -
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Seems eve is lawless at the minute. I had a corp keep switching to avoid a war dec, which is legal as long as you keep switching to new corps, but they swich to and from previous corps whis is in the rules and is an exploit yet the GM's wont do anything about it??
I have provided corp names & character names, the evidence is 100% complete and should be a easy petition to resolve. However to keep things simple the GM has just told me to leave it as there is nothing they can do.
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The Protagonist
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Posted - 2006.11.23 13:45:00 -
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Truth is the GM's can't act as theres no evidence.
bar your word.
if the other guy appeared out of nowhere took the can and vanished odds on he had a cloak. the I Never lag claim doesn't brig credibility to your story
Give the GM's more info and you may be luckier pettitioning . Fraps it save your convo's and logs (or at least look at them to see if you were jammed)
whining may get you stuff but not often.
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Makree
Ubar Asteroid Hugging Collective
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Posted - 2006.11.23 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum
So I supposed he grabbed the can, relogged to another char, while the OP targetted him and fired and a few seconds later the guy disappeared from space without warping off. Standard 0.0 tactics nowadays.
Oh, wow, this is so cool. I'll never die again. thx.
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maarud
Einherjar Incorporated
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.23 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Makree
Originally by: Plutoinum
So I supposed he grabbed the can, relogged to another char, while the OP targetted him and fired and a few seconds later the guy disappeared from space without warping off. Standard 0.0 tactics nowadays.
Oh, wow, this is so cool. I'll never die again. thx.
Die
Maarud.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.11.23 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Makree
Originally by: Plutoinum
So I supposed he grabbed the can, relogged to another char, while the OP targetted him and fired and a few seconds later the guy disappeared from space without warping off. Standard 0.0 tactics nowadays.
Oh, wow, this is so cool. I'll never die again. thx.
Sincerely hope this is sarcasm. 
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.23 15:57:00 -
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We had 3 haulers do this in a bubble last night in 0.0.
Welcome to eve.
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PMolkenthin
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.23 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: eff one
Okay so this guys in a shield boosting caracal nay issue, dont think he has the ability to cloak and ecm burst me... infact not a chance.
And to the other guy, this player is known for doing this, especially as one of his alts was supposdly banned because of a similar exploit, but nothing became of that.
Tbh, my computer very rarely suffers from lag, and has never suffered to that degree, so for the notion of me being lagged and him warping out is unbelievable... apperntly it is to some GM's though....
Why is there no chance of a caracal navy issue using a cloak, an ECM burst and a shield booster?
Also in my experience, strange phenomenon caused by lag is usually more to do with the server than your own PC.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2006.11.23 16:16:00 -
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 its an online game.
I reiterate:
its an online game.
online
Meaning its on the internet.
Is the internet stable? **** no it isnt. It just tries to be, but is it 100% stable? Hell no.
You'll eventually, by the laws of chance, run into something that looks cheaty, but is actually a hiccup of either your client, the server, or what's in between (read: the internet), or all three.
If everyone who plays MMOG's gets this logic, there wouldnt be complaints about DT being 1-2 mins late...
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Tulakh
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Posted - 2006.11.23 18:01:00 -
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Well there are many things that can be said about this.
For example what was his last distance from you when you saw him for the last moments (for example some complexes have an grid cut off of only 50 - 100km and he could have gone off grid which makes him dissapear).
This could be classed as an exploit but its hard to prove, just try to recreate it yourself, make notes and file an Bug report it will be fixed and it may possibly be watched aswell before it is fixed.
Aggression
Takeing an can is an act of aggression which gives an flag (15 minutes flag), this means you have an short time of tracking and possibly an free kill if he did log off.
Tracking
Then did he turn up on your scans (scan 360 degrees, with 1.100.000KM to prevent cutoffs) then if he shows check on 1000km (is he / she is there then he / she didn't move far, possibly just off grid or close bookmarked SafeSpot).
Use drones if possible, the tiny things they are do orbit close enough most times to break possible cloaking and / or prevent him from takeing off to easely.
To counteract more easely with surprise moves fit an passive targetter (which prevents that your target lock is seen), prepare to have everything set to shoot / launch / suck / drain / jam right when he / she starts to blink red.
Train for the special drones preferrably (jammers, webbers) to add on stacking for whatever you allready do (or to fill in the mods you cannot fit).
When he / she is jammed you have 15 minutes to kill (and for an ship like that its a bigger bang most likely), as a side note when he logged off thinking to be in safety it will be an nasty surprise when he / she comes back on.
Prevent drop stealing
Another thing is he / she cannot tractor your cans so if you have an tractor beam fitted you can pull cans outside of his / her reach (unless its an very agile fast ship specially fitted for this task which can intercept the can in time).
Going for better luck next time? Optimise setup!
Also it is possible to have an cloak on and to have multi spectral / racial jammers, if he has them fitted its easy to find out just fit an ship scanner and find out what his / her fit is like and next time fit to counteract.
You can go on this many ways, primarely counteract the breaking of an lock and make sure to warp jam, this way when he / she logs he / she wont go anywhere.
Good luck 
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Hoshi
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:18:00 -
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You do something then it's an exploit, I do the same thing and it's a feature :)
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 23/11/2006 19:53:39
You are probably talking about those *cursed* (filter likes to censor the name of the other amarr ship that would fit better with everyday speech...) farmers infesting everyshore. Maybe its time to teach them a lesson.
Before you can be 100% sure that they are exploiting - a Navy caracal has 4 low slots ...
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Callistus
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum
The guy probably grabbed the can, quit the game and relogged to another char. They should fix it or make it a bannable offense tbh. I'm really getting sick of it.
I'm pretty sure a dev stated recently that exploit had been fixed long ago.
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Nerf Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.23 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: maarud
Originally by: Makree
Originally by: Plutoinum
So I supposed he grabbed the can, relogged to another char, while the OP targetted him and fired and a few seconds later the guy disappeared from space without warping off. Standard 0.0 tactics nowadays.
Oh, wow, this is so cool. I'll never die again. thx.
Die
/signed.
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