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viuva	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:06:00 - [1] best pvp means action ! i m tired to fish to get some pvp... its boring like hell.. i gonna make my sugestions.. please comment ( you can flame too ) - remove local - make locking of ships alot faster - nerf stabs ( comming with kali) - make quick and eficiente probes - make the people come out from hi sec (better rats in 0.4 to 0.1) i dont know how you ppl keep playing after 3 year... can you have fun with this pvp ? there are more games out there !! "the best pvp" ?????? I dont die if i dont want to die... and whats the fun of picking up a fight that i know i gonna win or lose ?? i dont want to know nothing, no intel... just want to get my fight with another .. without ALL WORLD know that i am there to hunt !!
Laythun Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:08:00 - [2] There shall be no counterstrike in space. CEI's own Undercover Brother It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:09:00 - [3] EVE PvP is like chess. Very little of the game is spent watching one piece take another. Most of the game is spent watching the pieces move and carefully set each other up. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Imba Bambi	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:10:00 - [4] Edited by: Imba Bambi on 24/11/2006 14:10:15 signed. sadly, these points have been well known for quite some time. To counter it, many alliances have developed some sort of "codex" that allows for more fights. Sadly, the amount of combat evasion will pretty much stay the same with Kali, as warp to zero will counter the positive effects of the stab nerf.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:12:00 - [5] Edited by: Verus Potestas on 24/11/2006 14:13:01 Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE PvP is like chess. Very little of the game is spent watching one piece take another. Most of the game is spent watching the pieces move and carefully set each other up. Chess, while tactical, lacks many of Eve's qualities: Lasers. Explosions. Smacktalk. Lasers. Loot. When playing chess, all your pieces don't fall off the table right at the most important time, leaving a message saying "Connection to Chessboard Lost". Lasers. edit: bah, list syntax is different here to everywhere else Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/11/2006 14:21:05 Originally by: Verus Potestas When playing chess, all your pieces don't fall off the table right at the most important time, leaving a message saying "Connection to Chessboard Lost". Originally by: Gaven Blands Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE PvP is like chess. Very little of the game is spent watching one piece take another. Most of the game is spent watching the pieces move and carefully set each other up. Eve, while tactical, lacks many of Chess's qualities: # Pitting your wits against a single adversary on an equal field, as true test of your skill over your adversary. # Any requirement for said skill. # An air of civility. # Limited to two queens. # The pieces do what you tell them to, and at exactly the moment you tell them to. # No Chess player compares it to Eve, gee I wonder why. # Losing with grace doesn't require you go to Ebay for a new King. You sound really bitter. Why are you playing EVE? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE PvP is like chess. Very little of the game is spent watching one piece take another. Most of the game is spent watching the pieces move and carefully set each other up. Eve, while tactical, lacks many of Chess's qualities: # Pitting your wits against a single adversary on an equal field, as true test of your skill over your adversary. # Any requirement for said skill. # An air of civility. # Limited to two queens. # The pieces do what you tell them to, and at exactly the moment you tell them to. # No Chess player compares it to Eve, gee I wonder why. # Losing with grace doesn't require you go to Ebay for a new King. Me and my corp are totally pro. Really uber and evryfink. We do C4mpz0rs! UUUuuber
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Gaven Blands # Losing with grace doesn't require you go to Ebay for a new King. Hi, welcome to Eve. Here, we consider it polite to actually play the game before whining about it on the forums. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:24:00 - [9] This is why we need arenas. Because sometimes, you just want to pew pew. Ok, for most of us this isn't very often, and would get old quickly, but it does happen. ---------- IBTL \o/ It's great being in ur forums mixing ur memes, ain't it?
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Verus Potestas Edited by: Verus Potestas on 24/11/2006 14:13:01 Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE PvP is like chess. Very little of the game is spent watching one piece take another. Most of the game is spent watching the pieces move and carefully set each other up. Chess, while tactical, lacks many of Eve's qualities: Lasers. Explosions. Smacktalk. Lasers. Loot. When playing chess, all your pieces don't fall off the table right at the most important time, leaving a message saying "Connection to Chessboard Lost". Lasers. edit: bah, list syntax is different here to everywhere else If I remember to, and can find this thread again, this will be made into a sig. ---------- IBTL \o/ It's great being in ur forums mixing ur memes, ain't it?
Spanker Absolut Profit	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:33:00 - [11] What are all these chess analogies you're making? PvP in EVE is nothing like tactical, unless you're talking moving fleets about to box other fleets in or whatever, which even so is a rare thing to see happen. More like oh look here's their blob and our fleet's bubbled by the gate, crap we're all going to die. To be honest I'd expect more tactics from counterstrike clans than your average pvp engagements in EVE - Shpank
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:34:00 - [12] OP: I too have been searching for a reliable source of PvP in Eve. Thus far, I've been in PvP twice. I lost both fights. But I enjoyed it. But in the absence of PvP, I have found that is extremely easy to find PKing. You can either solo, or with other people, smash the hell out of somebody who has no hope of retaliating, OR get smashed by somebody who knows you have no chance of retaliating. This apparently is called "PvP" in Eve. I hope it doesn't disappoint you as much as it disappoints me. It could be that you were miss sold Eve as much as I was. Had the box said "Mindless gankfest 10 on 1, or 1 on 10, you choose!" in the sales blurb, I think I would have left it on the shelf. Now if there was a spaced base real PvP MMO available, we could finally move on. Me and my corp are totally pro. Really uber and evryfink. We do C4mpz0rs! UUUuuber
Laythun Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Spanker What are all these chess analogies you're making? PvP in EVE is nothing like tactical, unless you're talking moving fleets about to box other fleets in or whatever, which even so is a rare thing to see happen. More like oh look here's their blob and our fleet's bubbled by the gate, crap we're all going to die. To be honest I'd expect more tactics from counterstrike clans than your average pvp engagements in EVE All the tatics in eve happen before u undock. and before u enter the same system as ur enemy. CEI's own Undercover Brother It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Spanker What are all these chess analogies you're making? PvP in EVE is nothing like tactical, unless you're talking moving fleets about to box other fleets in or whatever, which even so is a rare thing to see happen. More like oh look here's their blob and our fleet's bubbled by the gate, crap we're all going to die. To be honest I'd expect more tactics from counterstrike clans than your average pvp engagements in EVE All the tatics in eve happen before u undock. and before u enter the same system as ur enemy. Eve's a strategy game. This includes the resource management to supply your ship, the intel and logistics to get the right stuff in the right place, fitting your ship out and deciding on tactics of the day, and then finishing with the maneuvering to fight a decisive engagement that plays to the strengths of those tactics.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Laythun All the tatics in eve happen before u undock. and before u enter the same system as ur enemy. I agree. So why even bother with the 3D space bit at all? Heh, no wonder it was so easy to turn into a card game :) Here's your team. 10 ships. Here's mine 3 ships. You win. Ok, another game anyone? Me and my corp are totally pro. Really uber and evryfink. We do C4mpz0rs! UUUuuber
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Gaven Blands OP: I too have been searching for a reliable source of PvP in Eve. Thus far, I've been in PvP twice. I lost both fights. But I enjoyed it. But in the absence of PvP, I have found that is extremely easy to find PKing. You can either solo, or with other people, smash the hell out of somebody who has no hope of retaliating, OR get smashed by somebody who knows you have no chance of retaliating. This apparently is called "PvP" in Eve. I hope it doesn't disappoint you as much as it disappoints me. It could be that you were miss sold Eve as much as I was. Had the box said "Mindless gankfest 10 on 1, or 1 on 10, you choose!" in the sales blurb, I think I would have left it on the shelf. Now if there was a spaced base real PvP MMO available, we could finally move on. Consensual PvP fails in so many ways. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
D'Mur Pilru	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Verus Potestas Hi, welcome to Eve. Here, we consider it polite Hahahahaha, Eve, polite and these forums in the same sentence. This just made my day...polite the man says
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Gaven Blands OP: I too have been searching for a reliable source of PvP in Eve. Thus far, I've been in PvP twice. I lost both fights. But I enjoyed it. But in the absence of PvP, I have found that is extremely easy to find PKing. You can either solo, or with other people, smash the hell out of somebody who has no hope of retaliating, OR get smashed by somebody who knows you have no chance of retaliating. This apparently is called "PvP" in Eve. I hope it doesn't disappoint you as much as it disappoints me. It could be that you were miss sold Eve as much as I was. Had the box said "Mindless gankfest 10 on 1, or 1 on 10, you choose!" in the sales blurb, I think I would have left it on the shelf. Now if there was a spaced base real PvP MMO available, we could finally move on. Killing a player without entering a Player Vs. Player engagement would be quite an achievement. And Player Vs. Player engagements without Player Killing are a rare find indeed. ---------- IBTL \o/ It's great being in ur forums mixing ur memes, ain't it?
Tao Han Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:42:00 - [19] Quote: This is why we need arenas. *implode
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:42:00 - [20] This is a joke, right? Arenas? Log onto sisi and pew pew how much you like.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Gaven Blands Originally by: Laythun All the tatics in eve happen before u undock. and before u enter the same system as ur enemy. I agree. So why even bother with the 3D space bit at all? Heh, no wonder it was so easy to turn into a card game :) Here's your team. 10 ships. Here's mine 3 ships. You win. Ok, another game anyone? Is there a reason you are still here? I mean, if this is how you think Eve is, why didn't you quit long ago? Also, I'm pretty sure that Laythun wasn't trying to say that anything more than ship configurations and numbers is unimportant in PvP, but that tactics make way for player ability after you undock. Even so, I think he's wrong. Everything you do in Eve is tactics, although the Chess analogy falls down here. You don't just take a piece, you fight him for it, and he can win. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Tao Han Quote: This is why we need arenas. *implode I used to react in much the same way. But, when you think about it, they would be a good addition. Hell, if people are willing to go to enough trouble to arrange the alliance tournaments, there is obviously a market for arranged fair combat in Eve. ---------- IBTL \o/ It's great being in ur forums mixing ur memes, ain't it?
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Crumplecorn Hell, if people are willing to go to enough trouble to arrange the alliance tournaments, there is obviously a market for arranged fair combat in Eve. There's some pretty nice rewards for the organized tournament type events, that's one of many reasons people are more than willing to participate. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:47:00 - [24] Originally by: D'Mur Pilru Originally by: Verus Potestas Hi, welcome to Eve. Here, we consider it polite Hahahahaha, Eve, polite and these forums in the same sentence. This just made my day...polite the man says Sweet D'Mur. I tried to find a way of saying that, but I ended up with a 2 page rant on how Eve helps keep morons out of real PvP games, for which we are thankful. Your way was much more succinct and appropriate, nicely done. Me and my corp are totally pro. Really uber and evryfink. We do C4mpz0rs! UUUuuber
Spanker Absolut Profit	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:48:00 - [25] Say you have two chars with the same amount of skillpoints in all the same places, and these two chars fly identical ships with identical loadouts. Who will win? The smarter player? Nah. It'll be pure chance. - Shpank
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Spanker Say you have two chars with the same amount of skillpoints in all the same places, and these two chars fly identical ships with identical loadouts. Who will win? The smarter player? Nah. It'll be pure chance. You are so wrong it hurts (unless ECM is involved, which incidentally is why ECM sucks so ******* hard) Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:49:00 - [27] Originally by: D'Mur Pilru Originally by: Verus Potestas Hi, welcome to Eve. Here, we consider it polite Hahahahaha, Eve, polite and these forums in the same sentence. This just made my day...polite the man says Read it and weep Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Crumplecorn there is obviously a market for arranged fair combat in Eve. Too right there is. They can even keep the loot if they insist on lethal battling. But I'm not convinced the current layout of Eve's damage/prevention/manouvering system is suited to [player] skill based combat. It's too much like Paper/Scissors/Stone and once you have chosen your layout and opponent, you don't get enough control in space to alter the battle's outcome based on your opponents layout. I'd like to see it though, despite having said that. Me and my corp are totally pro. Really uber and evryfink. We do C4mpz0rs! UUUuuber
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Gaven Blands It's too much like Paper/Scissors/Stone and once you have chosen your layout and opponent, you don't get enough control in space to alter the battle's outcome based on your opponents layout. I disagree. Totally. I suggest you get into an interceptor and go out fighting. Tell me that what you do has no effect on the result on the fight afterwards. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:54:00 - [30] Sounds to me like you have played FPS's too long. I myself am a avid FPS player. But the one thing you need for this game is patience. Patience is a virtue in this game. There is no room for script kiddies with ADD who use gamepads to play games. It sounds like you haven't really experienced true pvp or decent sized fleet battles. It's like the army: hurry up and wait. 23 hours of boredom followed by 1 hour of complete mayhem. But that hour of mayhem makes up for it all. Because in this game you work for your kills and everything has consequences.

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