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HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 367	Posted - 2015.06.23 05:57:07 - [1] - Quote Phaade wrote: Wow, it only took you 5 years to admit that drones and Ishtars are broken. Wait for it..... Wait for it..... I ******* TOLD YOU SO. Maybe they ignored you because the mod they're nerfing isn't five years old.
HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 367	Posted - 2015.06.24 00:20:52 - [2] - Quote My vexor isn't going to do 903 dps with a decent tank. It was a good run but I can't argue it was balanced.
HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 371	Posted - 2015.06.24 10:22:03 - [3] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Otherwise it's a proper 1300-ish dps ratting ship. And I set not too much stock in paper dps. Honestly, people who can't manage consistent 20 million ticks shouldn't even talk. Well, if you're getting 1300 dps you aren't using rails and likely aren't using sentries, so you aren't actually hitting for more than about 70% of your dps if you're good. So you are putting too much in paper dps. If you're going to go full '1337 pve' on us set a bar that can't be out done with 450 dps and a painter. Beast mode Navydomi is still over 1500 dps and still a scary if rare sight.
HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 371	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:05:47 - [4] - Quote gascanu wrote: oh, can you pls link that 900 dps ishtar? like really, can we stop bring ******** arguments, and focus on facts? you know, like reall fittings and not the 50k m/s ships we sometime see on forums; for example, a sentry ishtar will never get that kind of dps; assuming a heavy drones fit, a reality check will tell you that,with a few exceptions, about half of the time your drones will be travelling from a target to another, but yea, keep crying about paper dps... p.s: ishtar need sentry optimal/tracking bonuses removed, ship is fixed; the dda nerf is not really needed, esp since this is the 3rd 0r 4rth nerf in a row to sentry drones; like really, ishtar has been able too fit 5 sentrys since forever, and noone complained about it; the reall problems started with the last hac reballance , when ccp gave it optimal and tracking bonuses;add to this the new drones tracking mods and here we are... tldr: dmg is not the reall problem, the tracking and 100 km optimall are Fit any set of guns to an ishtar, now you have 900-1100 dps; it's a small group thing. They're doing a bunch of small nerfs to the ishtar because it's actually weaker in the most common fits than when the HAC buffs happened. It's just so much easier on FC's that CCP wants to keep pushing until people stop using it as the everything fleet. And people won't stop because shooting the fleets guns for them is so much easier than trusting idiots.
HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 375	Posted - 2015.06.25 06:00:07 - [5] - Quote Commander Spurty wrote: But seriously, a weapon system which has NO CAP issues, NO AMMO issues, NEVER RELOADS AND does BS class weapon damage, without any downside? I'm for the change, but the cap independence and dps are the only parts of that that are true (with the dps in part being battleships sucking). And reloading a drone ship isn't exactly easy without stopping a fleet completely.
HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 376	Posted - 2015.06.26 06:59:25 - [6] - Quote afkalt wrote: Rise, maybe next time split the ship nerf thread away from the module nerf one, apparently people don't understand they're separate. Then it's a conspiracy. I do think the easiest way to explain it is it is a more powerful nerf the more drone amps a ship fits. Tristans and algoses fit maybe one drone amp and so they get a 4% bonus dps loss. Most medium ships including armor ishtars fit one or two and they lose 7.5 bonus drone dps. Shield ishtars, gilas and rattlesnakes are losing the most (assuming CCP aren't as stupid as I think they are they meant that): three amp fits lose 10% and the few four amp fits lose 11.5%. Keep in mind that's not dps lost, that's bonus dps lost. Actual dps change is small but significant.
HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 383	Posted - 2015.07.03 00:22:14 - [7] - Quote Why did the level of literacy drop so sharply in the past 3 pages? The drake didn't take a <6% drop in damage.
HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 383	Posted - 2015.07.03 09:32:19 - [8] - Quote ForceM wrote: So, Your FORCING us to go from shield fits to armor fits by changing the slot layout. Yes, how will you ever shield fit a cruiser with only 4 mids?
HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 383	Posted - 2015.07.03 11:21:19 - [9] - Quote Dant Perst wrote: The latest notion to reduce drone damage across the board as a means to nerf the Ishtar does not make any sense at all. My Vexor is not a super killer in NULL or low-sec under the present module statuses. All you will do as a result of the proposed nerf is to reduce it's capabilities further. And what's the point of that? Another obsolete ship for the reprocessing junkyard. Maybe CCP should let the council take on these issues of ship nerfing and if they authorize CCP to act, then do so. How much of nerf do you actually think this is? A lot of vexor fits are literally going untouched because they don't use drone amps. Only dps fits like gilas and amp stacking ishtars are actually losing that much. My 901 dps vex is I think doing 870 with this change. And CSM are bought, giving them direct power is idiotic at best.
HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 383	Posted - 2015.07.04 00:54:24 - [10] - Quote Falin Whalen wrote: I just have two things to show you all. First, watch this. Then watch this. There is a lot of information in those two videos that explains what CCP is trying to do. Don't be the ill-informed player that endlessly spouts; "They dun took our Ishtars, dang nab-it." Links to EC: max pleb level achieved. But yes, that's why they don't buff everything.

HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 383	Posted - 2015.07.04 03:55:34 - [11] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: That's the problem in a nutshell. Sentry drones, if their DPS was literally carved in half, would be fine. An Ishtar doing 250-350 DPS at 55 + 55km? No problem, totally competitive with the Eagle, Munnin, Zealot. If it were my choice they'd make super heavy drones and sentries a thing and they'd nerf current sentries' damage and the new sentries' tracking. Gives battleships more than just 50/mb over T1 cruisers too.
HiddenPorpoise Expendable Miscreants 383	Posted - 2015.07.09 22:29:59 - [12] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: My EFT is broken or something? Myrmidon can field only 4 sentries...what? The bandwith Rise, bandwith. If drone BC can field less than cruiser what are we talking here? And the Eos has 125 AND a gun bonus. I mean, why would anyone ever use an ishtar?

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