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Dave Tehsulei 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.25 16:31:00 - [1] Edited by: Dave Tehsulei on 25/11/2006 16:32:12 My average frame rates have dropped drastically with the new kali build, in space on tq currently i average around 70 and docked 100-130. On sisi now im getting 25-30 in space and around 60 while docked. At first i thought the background from the seemless map, that now seems to be stuck with us everywhere we look (stars in the background), was causing the fps drop in space however since there is also a major drop in frame rate while docked it must be something else. Althought i think that seemeless map background is hurting performance too, why is it always on now ? Anyone else noticed an FPS drop ?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.25 16:33:00 - [2] Might it be just beacause Sisi is on such a poor server? Sisi gets teh dregs that TQ didn't want.............. -----------------------------------------------
Jongo Fett Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.25 16:36:00 - [3] i also seem to get this i get bout 60-80 in space on tq but on SSI i get about 25-40 i found turning of the neural tracking link thing on the esc menu seems to boost it bout bout 10 fps but thats bout it.
Romulan Dominiae	Posted - 2006.11.25 16:40:00 - [4] Originally by: Patch86 Might it be just beacause Sisi is on such a poor server? Sisi gets teh dregs that TQ didn't want.............. yeah, in eve the server renders every image and transfers each image to all clients, 80 times a second.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.25 16:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Romulan Dominiae Originally by: Patch86 Might it be just beacause Sisi is on such a poor server? Sisi gets teh dregs that TQ didn't want.............. yeah, in eve the server renders every image and transfers each image to all clients, 80 times a second. I'm not good at these high-tech computing devices, you know..........I was just trying to be helpful Free bump? -----------------------------------------------
Syris Anu Evolutionary Pressure	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:23:00 - [6] Yes, I'm getting similar drop offs from 40 or so to 20 or less. Radeon 9500 if that helps.
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:33:00 - [7] Edited by: Blind Man on 25/11/2006 17:35:28 another thread on this but yeah, it is not the server because even at the little login screen, and character selection, in, out of station, anywhere, im getting 20-30 fps were as on TQ i get 80-100 asus a8n-e mobo amd x2 4400 x850xt pe 1g ram wont be able to play eve unless it gets fixed and what the heck is with those *** stars in the background, i remember those owned my fps before when they turned on however you cant turn them off anymore edit: i have submitted a bug report a few days ago with a logsever and a dxdiag.. can only hope Sig removed.\o/ It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Dave Tehsulei 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:48:00 - [8] how many threads and bug reports does it take... maybe i should mention corp tax or something else really important and we'll start getting some dev's to take notice
Fapos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:50:00 - [9] I'm glad i'm not the only one with this problem, I barely get 30 in space now. The extra stars from the starmap need to go or atleast get loaded/unloaded when needed. :(
Jordan Steel Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.25 18:51:00 - [10] My average framerate is dropping from 35 fps to 17 fps in empty space. I think its the new seamless map. 1,4 GHz / 1 GB RAM / Radeon 9600 XT

Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.25 20:11:00 - [11] seamless map causing more trouble than its worth :P (bump) Sig removed.\o/ It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Darth Kuminos Gallente Dark Star Industries	Posted - 2006.11.25 20:54:00 - [12] I would have to agree that theis FPS problem came about with the reintro of the Seamless map (remembers somethign about it being removed or downgraded before). Up until 3-4 patches ago, I had wonderful FPS, now it is horrid. Especially when running in a window. Fullscreen is ok, but strange that before, in station, I would get upwards of 80-100FPS but now even in Full screen, it won't go above 60. I for one would like them to provide an option to turn off the seamless map. I could care less if it did a pretty zoom out from my ship. I would rather have a playable game and not end up having horrid lag during a fight or if 20+ peopel were in the same grid as me. Whatever the issue is, Devs, you need to find it and fix it or remove it, otherwise I have a feeling that there will many people that leave the game because of it. One thing that would be nice is having more control over graphics. Most other games provide you with tools and settings that allow you to have more control over textures, details, etc. This one only allows you some specific settings, and then if you turn off or on the wrong one, you can make it worse instead of better. I have tried multiple settings and still get the same effect. Maybe with a slight increas in FPS, but I would say that a 5 Frame difference is much of an improvement (unless its going from 15-20FPS ) Please find a solution to this before release. That's all I ask.
Dave Tehsulei 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:26:00 - [13] i was told they are aware of the problem and are looking into it
Darth Kuminos Gallente Dark Star Industries	Posted - 2006.11.26 04:54:00 - [14] Edited by: Darth Kuminos on 26/11/2006 04:54:57 Originally by: Dave Tehsulei i was told they are aware of the problem and are looking into it Good. I just hope they find it and fix it soon. Otherwise, this new Update will not have the intended effect they are looking for.
Ghitza Backup Squad	Posted - 2006.11.26 07:21:00 - [15] Instead of working on important things they've puted some crapy seemeless map which is eyecandy for few minutes We all needed that! Thank you CCP. We (and whole game) dosent need some major improvments but we need fu**** seemeless which is only making more trouble.
Darth Kuminos Gallente Dark Star Industries	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:37:00 - [16] Edited by: Darth Kuminos on 26/11/2006 21:38:08 ok, have a buddy that logged onto Sis and he has a Radeon X800. Says no more FPS issues. Can anyone else verify this? It will be nice that they fixed the ATI issues, but now I see that other nVidia users are getting the same issues that I have. I will say that I have noticed that in full screen, it runs smooth, and very little lag, although I am only getting 30-35FPS in space (where on TQ I get over 70FPS in space). I also have noticed that in windowed mode, the FPS is slower, but not to the point should see lag (25-35FPS in Station, 20-30 FPS in space). The only exception that tells me there's an issue is that the graphics stutter. Like scrolling text, in certain Gallente stations, seems to scroll but with a slight sutter or pause. I have shut down all software that isn't need for Windows to run properly, and still no change. I hope some of this information helps the devs, if they are reading this. As far as I can tell, there's nothing abnormal logged by the log server, just an annoying lag, stutter, whatever you want to call it, and also the major drop in FPS. I have even gone to the lowest settings possible in the Eve client on graphis with little or no change. As I said, this all seemed to happen once the seamless map was re-introduced (as in the smooth zoom from ship to system) and the Eve Universe stars were visible again in space. I just want it fixed. If it doesn't, I won't be able to take part in any combat or large scale mining operations.
Mr Wodogo Exordium Mining Contingent	Posted - 2006.11.27 00:44:00 - [17] I don't know why people are so angry, the human eye can only see at like... 72FPS, anything higher is just frames you dont even see... 8 FPS is all you need to percieve animation instead of a series of images, so at 30 or more, really it should look just fine Though of course, the higher the better, just saying that whoever said 60 FPS was horrid... : P its almost the best you can physically see hehe
Blind Man Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.11.27 00:47:00 - [18] Edited by: Blind Man on 27/11/2006 00:47:46 Originally by: Mr Wodogo I don't know why people are so angry, the human eye can only see at like... 72FPS, anything higher is just frames you dont even see... 8 FPS is all you need to percieve animation instead of a series of images, so at 30 or more, really it should look just fine Though of course, the higher the better, just saying that whoever said 60 FPS was horrid... : P its almost the best you can physically see hehe anything under 60 fps in games like eve or fps is noticably 'laggy' to me (different in things like RTS where its more watching stuff) edit: still having fps problems on sisi bad as ever Sig removed.\o/ It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Darth Kuminos Gallente Dark Star Industries	Posted - 2006.11.27 03:54:00 - [19] Edited by: Darth Kuminos on 27/11/2006 03:55:23 Originally by: Mr Wodogo I don't know why people are so angry, the human eye can only see at like... 72FPS, anything higher is just frames you dont even see... 8 FPS is all you need to percieve animation instead of a series of images, so at 30 or more, really it should look just fine Though of course, the higher the better, just saying that whoever said 60 FPS was horrid... : P its almost the best you can physically see hehe It is not just the FPS, but it is something that you check when you see your graphics lagging. I wouldn't even call my graphics laggy. It's more of a stutter of the graphics. Looking at the FPS meter, you can even see the stutter. The problem is there should not have been a 50% FPS loss from this. Something is not right. I would expect a slight loss of FPS from these improvements, but not 50%. Besides, this stuttering effect originally affected ATI cards about 4-5 patches ago, and now with this last one my buddy doesn't have the issue anymore. Now, as of 2 or 3 patches ago (maybe 4) the nvidia cards are affected in the same way and nothing has changed as of yet. I know that FPS above 20 should actually look almost normal to the Human eye, but when you can see it, you tend to worry.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.11.27 07:08:00 - [20] TV has 30 fps. (well the old analog set's that use antenna's do) Anything over 32 is overkill, when you are seeing stutter at over 30 fps, it's becuase of two things, the frames aren't running smoothly, i.e you get 15 fps in .1 seconds, non for .4 seconds, then another 15 in .1 seconds, ect, or you aren't getting unique, ( or unique enough) frames.

Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 07:26:00 - [21] I've had no noticable FPS drop on my machine, but it's also kinda hard to tell with all the lag on sisi. Make sure your drivers are updated and all that jazz.
kill0rbunny Caldari Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2006.11.27 07:44:00 - [22] Didn't encounter any lags or fps decreases on sisi. And yes fps is influenced by network connection, as theprogram doesn't get the information it needs to process the next images. Also the human eye isn't even able to notice a difference between 30 fps or 120 fps. After all it is a test server. If the problem persists on Wednesday, when all downloaded the patch and the server hopefully is up and running, you can still whine around. _____________________________ Hugh.
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.11.27 09:45:00 - [23] Had at least a 50% drop in fps myself, i'm using a X1900XTX gfx card
Darth Kuminos Gallente Dark Star Industries	Posted - 2006.11.27 17:38:00 - [24] Edited by: Darth Kuminos on 27/11/2006 17:39:26 Originally by: Tomas Ysidro I've had no noticable FPS drop on my machine, but it's also kinda hard to tell with all the lag on sisi. Make sure your drivers are updated and all that jazz. Yeah I've done that. Running latest nvidia drivers. Tried several versions of it and some modified drivers too. No real change. the funniest thing is the stutter effect. When I open the FPS meter in the client (CTRL+F), I see a type of saw tooth pattern. Sitting in Station it is very noticable. Any moving object in the background shows the stutter. Now, this only happens in Windowed mode, and if I change focus from Eve to another program (Like TS or even the desktop) the FPS smooths out, FPS does drop a bit from what it was with focus on the Eve Client Window, and the stutter is almost invisible. It's still there but less noticed. Of course in space, the FPS does drop, but it seems to smooth out. There is still a slight stutter. Also I notice a weird shadow effect on the moon near the station I'm at. I think there is something odd with the graphics information being feed to my PC, but not sure if it's actual loss of information or borked information from the server . As you guys have said, I am going to wait for the update to see if it's just a communications problem (Which I doubt considering nothing network wise has changed on my end in the past 3 months). It could very well be that, but I belive there is something else going on. The biggest thing is that this is noticed only when in Windowed mode. FUll screen everything is fine, even though there is a FPS drop from what I see on TQ. I normally paly in windowed mode as I tend to run either 2 accounts and also other programs so switching from one to the other is much easier. Time will tell, but with fresh drivers installed, and even re-did the Test client (as in fresh copy and then patched) and still getting the same issue, it really makes me wonder what is really going on that might have caused this. As when it did, I had changed nothing. It only started once the Seamless map was completely reenabled on Sisi that I noticed this.
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.11.27 17:52:00 - [25] Same problem. My FPS have dropped by 50%. I've bugreported in and included the DDdiag file. Another issues I get: the screen flashes white when entering a new system, switching focus back to the ship form an object in space and when switching back from system or starmap view to in-flight view. Anyone else got this?
Blind Man Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.11.27 17:53:00 - [26] Edited by: Blind Man on 27/11/2006 18:02:32 Edited by: Blind Man on 27/11/2006 17:59:37 getting really worried, kali is coming out in a day and the latest patch didnt fix it in station: Sig removed.\o/ It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2006.11.27 17:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Victor Valka Same problem. My FPS have dropped by 50%. I've bugreported in and included the DDdiag file. Another issues I get: the screen flashes white when entering a new system, switching focus back to the ship form an object in space and when switching back from system or starmap view to in-flight view. Anyone else got this? yes, and yes Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.11.27 17:58:00 - [28] I foresee a lot of mining in my future if they don't fix it... Oh well, I could use some extra funds.
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.11.27 18:03:00 - [29] Mine is stable. But still only 50% of what it is on TQ.
Night05	Posted - 2006.11.27 18:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Audri Fisher TV has 30 fps. (well the old analog set's that use antenna's do) Anything over 32 is overkill, when you are seeing stutter at over 30 fps, it's becuase of two things, the frames aren't running smoothly, i.e you get 15 fps in .1 seconds, non for .4 seconds, then another 15 in .1 seconds, ect, or you aren't getting unique, ( or unique enough) frames. You guys are right about television to a degree. But TV is also displayed at 640x480 resolution - did you know that? And it's frames are interleaved.. But yes motion pictures are shown at 30 fps so anything beyond 40 is fine other than hiccups or lag spikes. Does anyone know for sure how much network latency counts into this fps drop or is it definately a local system problem?



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