So you don't nerf only combat activity, you nerf all people who use multi account for other activity lie mining, like transport,ect... they must engage warp account per account to go to each point if it's not a celestial (like a ping a 200 KM from a gate to safe move in 0.0 or to avoid bubble, or just go to a BM to have a good place to mine in huge belt of 0.0).

So maybe make something like that is better : BM les of 5 min can't be BM, and less of 15 min can't be fleet warpable. Other case it's not only pvp you will ill but a lot of economic activity.

You want a proof of it ? Ok, imagine a 5 to 10 account miner: 1 rorqual/orca in pos 4-9 player in belt who dig : The player must mae 4-9 ALONE WARP to go on belt. But if neutral enter on system he can fleet warp to be safe. It's just a nerf of mining speed. So an other solution could be to allow the actual fleet warp mechanism for account on same IP/legal owner.

And STILL no fix for mixed fleets warp speed adjustment which the current fleet warp system is key to, when are you going to address that issue?

Because it doesn't seem like you read all of the feedback in the last thread, i suggest training reading to level 1 and starting again

Updated my post with a suggestion, you're welcome ;)

Dude. You're better than that. C'mon. Don't make the troll so obvious that you go with the 'use your noggin' nonsense I cut to shreds in the old thread. Just go straight to the 'duh, use a cloaky' and be cool.

Work out warptimes for a fleet that involves fast tackle and a carrier that doesn't involve you sititng on a gate waiting for ages for the carrier to be far enough away that the rest of the fleet doens't arrive a decade before it, because you'll be sitting there for a while if its a long warp and you might have to fight

Which is part of the reason this change is bad - it is yet another Quality of Life non-improvement which will benefit the largest and most well-organized coalitions. They will find ways to overcome the tedium, those with worse out of game support structures will suffer.

Eve should not require out of game tools to do basic things. Evemon, EFT, POS manager apps, PI apps, industry spreadsheets, WH reporting tools, etc. each of them is a monument to poor game design and a terrible interface. All that stuff should be built into the Eve client.

When you make changes to the game which are most easily overcome by large blocs, do not complain about large blocs controlling everything meaningful,

Since you ARE moving forward with these changes, it seems only logical that there should be a way to set the fleet's maximum warp speed (which would override the each individual ship warp speed in the fleet) or a way for each pilot to set their own warp speed instead of always defaulting to the ship's max (MOAR participation!!).

Please consider implementing something that would allow a fleet to land all around the same second or two.

So you agree: Nerf of mining income, you waste time to do this. More boring to mine and less rentable after change.

If organization allows disproportionate adaptation to change, shouldn't leveling the playing field then involve... less complexity? The more complex the game becomes, the more it is difficult for a small groups to survive.

So.. join the blocs.. or die?

There is nothing smart about forcing an FC to have to rely on alts for warp-ins as people's time is wasted waiting.

There is also nothing smart about forcing a WH player who used to be an active logi/dps/recon member into a mobile bookmark.

Arguably, the tedium would lower quality of gameplay for the FC, as it would of the poor WH player.

Introducing idiocy into existing smart gameplay is unfortunate.

PL wanted to reduce the time it takes for a fleet to land on a combat probe hit. So Manfred Sideous of PL, Dark Razor (CCP Larrikin) of PL, and Raivi (CCP Fozzie) of PL got together to create a "solution" to this "problem."

Good to see that CCP's legacy of cronyism is still alive and well, even so many years after D20.

You know as well as I do that FCs will get those, if they don't have them already, rather than trust the fate of fleets to random fleet members.

F1 monkey WHers.. now there's an oxymoron worthy of a prize.

But now we do have fleet commands. And exponentially better organization in multiple nullsec blocs. Simply wishing time to turn backwards will not see it happen.

As I understand it fleet warping isn't even going away. It's just being trimmed a little?

Thanks CCP. I'll return the favor by unsubbing any mining alts I run while doing homework. Thats what I get for trying to come back to Eve.

CCP reduce income of mining , so how you call it ? it's a nerf of income. It's few sec each rotation at end you loose minutes. CCP have think this change for pvp and forget a lot of player use it... not for pvp but for some industrial thing. Maybe CCP must remimber they call the game a "sandbox" so when they make 1 "pvp" change it's impact all game play, not only pew pew.

Allow fleet warp to BM in anomaly , or allow fleet warp for people in same ip/official owner, problem solve.