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Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:34:00 - [1] I want either 2 free months or 20 euros in my wallet. GIVE EM NOW OR I WILL DETONATE YOUR BRANCH!!! YARR!!! Nah, now being serious, I felt kinda sad and dissapointed with the "800k new character" feature. Actually I like it, really, it's a great incentive for people starting the game. But let's see my case: I've started a couple months ago, and I currently have 900k skill points, almost the same than newbies start with now. We all now that EVE isn't fun at all (would say it sucks, but don't want to be politically incorrect) when you're so low skilled. IMO the game starts at 1m+. You're already definite, you can either have a nice set of skills for mining, fighting, whatever you like doing, and are a good help in a corp, or solo playing. During that loong path from 0 to 900k, you barely enjoy 1% of the game. I was aware of it, and instead of leaving, as most of my friends did, I kept on struggling to make a little money and level those skill points up Actually, I didn't play much, because I didn't felt like it. I kept paying the monthly fee just to see my skills grow, and some day start really enjoying the game. Money didn't matter much, a couple of lucky drops and a friend's aid sat me around 50 millions, and that's great for a char below 1m SP. So far then, there wasn't any real incentive to pay the game, the only one was training my skills. Now that I joined a nice corp, I have a couple of PVP ships, I'm starting to enjoy and, hey, I first thought the 20 bucks I spent training were worth it. But then I readed the Kali notes, and the new characters part was painful like being roasted in a carrier engine. I had spent all that time and money for nothing. Moving here and there buying books and shooting with my pathetic rookie ship. Now I feel kind of scammed. It's a crude word, and doesn't adjust to reality, since CCP has acted correctly and I have nothing to really complain about. I had my active account like everybody else all this time, so asking for money or extra playtime would make no sense. But please, CCP, give us something in-game to compensate. Give 500k SP to spend in skills to any character that started before kali, for example. This wouldn't imbalance things, and will cheer us all. Please, as a christmas present. /whine mode off
Mads Christensen Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:41:00 - [2] I agree with Robert. ----------------------------------------------- The EVE-Paper thread: Linkage
Varis Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:44:00 - [3] unless you did nothing but sit in a station and train skills - then you have done something - gained experience in the game..
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:46:00 - [4] Did you have fun in those 2 months? If so, your money was not wasted. If not, find a new game. Problem solved. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:48:00 - [5] so? you're still gonna be better than some new player. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:53:00 - [6] Edited by: Sapphron Dei on 25/11/2006 21:52:49 I understand the OP's feeling. But I have to disagree on the SP granting part. If you want those 800k SP from day one, roll a new/second char. And as stated before; you indeed have the experience that you built up during your skill training that new players dont have. Effectively that puts the new players behind you. --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Kisaku Gallente Earned In Blood	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:01:00 - [7] My character's first days were a bit hazy, but I remember getting out of my rookie ship from day 1, and moving into a incursus, then tristan running combat missions. I enjoyed the game from that point, it was fun being able to train up skills in a couple hours and have whole new venues opened up to ya. I kinda get it about the SP thing. But I don't think it matters to much. An extra 500k sp would be pretty sweet, but I can live without it.
Megilos	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:02:00 - [8] Ok, I can agree with the OP quite a bit. I just started about a week ago and I'm only up to about 200k points. Does this mean that new characters are automatically going to get the 800k at the start? If I roll a new alt, will I get that? If so then I agree that the past week has been kind of for naught. No biggie though, I know most of the basics as of now so it's not like I'm starting out totally newb. What I would like to see is anyone within a certain range of skill points, say 0 to 2 million get an upgrade. (I'd think anything over 2 million and you wouldn't notice a couple of hundred thousand either way--it's debatable I know.) That way Robert wouldn't feel cheated, and I would feel that the past week has been wasted. Not that it's been a total waste--like I said, I'm not a fresh-off-the-planet newb. I've got some experience, I've done some cool things, but I haven't actually ganged or joined a corp yet because I know that with only 200k points I'm not really worth anything yet. I'm having fun pwning NPC's for what it's worth. When I get to around 1 million skill points, am I going to have to differentiate myself in some way from all the insta-skilled newbs? I guess my bio could say something like "and I've EARNED every single skill point so far, no gimmies here!". I dunno. We need some clarification on this. I'm not going to worry about it too much; I don't really like my main's portrait anyhow lol.
Mayoz Miner	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:03:00 - [9] yes I'm in the same boat lol>.< and yes I agree with you. ...... and that silly comment about finding another game the OP has a valid point
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:07:00 - [10] Just roll a new character. You'll have more SP with the new character, and -- more importantly -- in-game experience. It's not a huge deal! Really!
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:09:00 - [11] I have a better proposal! Let's all have additional 900000 sp's in any chosen field (btw, that's what I'm missing towards adv. weapons upgrade lvl V, and it would help me a lot). On a more serious note, I can understand what are you talking about, I'd feel slightly ****ed off too if I were in your situation. Interesting what CCP will do for those players who trained the skills for month and on Wednesday will have the same amount of sp's as newly joined noobs.
Nir Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Moghydin Interesting what CCP will do for those players who trained the skills for month and on Wednesday will have the same amount of sp's as newly joined noobs. My guess would be: Nothing.
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:12:00 - [13] T'Renn is right. I recently opened up a third account, but after checking out the new premade careers im rerolling - im actually quite excited to try it out. Its not bad nor sad to do so. Indeed, collect your goods, let a friend hand em to you or stack em on escrow and transfer all your ISK to your new character. You still have all your experience and you have a jump towards 800k SP. Not only that, you save a few ISK that you otherwise would have spent on those books you needed to train the skills Just look at it from a positive perspective!!! --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Mayoz Miner yes I'm in the same boat lol>.< and yes I agree with you. ...... and that silly comment about finding another game the OP has a valid point Not completely silly if you read why Verus said it that way: if you feel you wasted your money and didnt gain any fun from it you should pick another game. So ask yourself: was the time you spent thusfar playing EVE enjoyable?? --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Lautrec LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:26:00 - [15] What about the implants I plugged into my new alt I started 5 days ago? Signature file size to big, please keep it under 24000 bytes - Petwraith
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:30:00 - [16] Edited by: Robert Ocean on 25/11/2006 22:33:19 Edited by: Robert Ocean on 25/11/2006 22:32:08 Thank you all for the answers... Well, the point is... There is really nothing to complain about. There has been no loss. If the change didn't occur, I'd be exactly the same. Rolling a new char wouldn't help, as I have 100k more skill points already and I like the way they've been spent. It's just that... Cmon, I could have 1,8 million now. It's ok, I've gained experience, but I could have gained the same experience playing with a couple of 800k SP trial accounts, whose respective characters would have been better than my main at that point anyway, and then, once I know what's eve about start paying the game. I'm sure you all agree these months have been objectively not productive . I've gained RL experience and money, but I didn't "gain" any skills, and you know skills are half of the game. So then, let's say my EVE time these months has been half worth than if the change didn't happen. Then give me half of those SP the newbs are getting free. That means 400-500k. It's a good deal, isn't it? Quote: What about the implants I plugged into my new alt I started 5 days ago? Thats another thing I wanted to discuss. it's an enormous loss, and I'm pretty sure it has happened more than once. The extra 500k would balance things.
Noomee	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:41:00 - [17] Quit whining about that change. It will finally let newbies be more specialized from the get go, and catch up faster to join the core of the action without having to spend 3 months training skills and doing agent missions in empire space. I salute this change, and I don't think they should be giving any kind of compensation for the players that already have more than 800k sp. besides, it clearly says in the EULA that CCP has the right to change everything in the game, and they don't "oew" any free month to anyone. If you're not happy, just quit. Otherwise, adapt and either create a new char and use the one you have now as a mean of financing your new char.
Saetix	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:48:00 - [18] /agree with the OP
Locarna Lustram	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:56:00 - [19] What? What's wrong with you? I started out with something like 60k SP and I had a blast in my first month - heck, I still am. Get out there, run DEDspaces way above your level, tease pirates, try running trades, explore, talk to people. You seem to think that it's some kind of zero-sum thing, where if someone else is winning then you are losing. I have 2.2M SP now and I don't want a single damb extra Skill Point I haven't earned, thank you. Less complaining, more flying.
The Slayer Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:58:00 - [20] When I joined the game I couldnt fly a deimos DAMMIT CCP GIVE ME MY YEAR BACK! Get over it man, its not the end of the world.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:58:00 - [21] Considering I spend 3 months in a Caracal with 25km sps in missiles, I cannot agree that ther'es nothing to do while training skills, even the learning skills. Yes, those months were boring as all hell at times, but I didn't HAVE to do it either. I could've just trained other skills and said to hell with learning skills. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Lautrec What about the implants I plugged into my new alt I started 5 days ago? Was that a "I really should read the forums before plugging implants just before a major expansion" implant? Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:07:00 - [23] My first month+ was some of the best time I've had in any game. The sheer overwhelming vastness of everything, the realisation that the market was almost all player driven, looking at the map and seeing how stupidly huge it was. . . I could go on. I simply completely disagree that being < 1m SP makes the game not fun. If you didn't find it to be so then ok, and if you think you'll enjoy the game from now on cool, but don't generalise and say this is true for all. Anyways you've gained experience and knowledge in your first month, and everyone with a brain knows that's more important than SP. If any of this is crap, sorry, I'm drunk. - - - - - - - - - - "PERGITE DEGUSTATE FORMOSUM BELLUM" Forward to taste the beautiful war. . .
Vasco Falcon	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:08:00 - [24] Edited by: Vasco Falcon on 25/11/2006 23:09:12 I disagree strongly with Robby. Now u can get adv learning skills with basic 4, i spent like 5+ weeks or something carrying on with that test of my patience that learning skills 5 basic was, following much recommendation from veteran players instead of learning interesting and usable stuff like ship and gunnery skills, big deal? Welcome to the world off mmorgs. On the 800k or whatever skill point issue itself, nows your chance to roll an alt im sure many ppl with charactors the same age as yourself and me will be too and will find much use the skill points boost in a few months time when our player corps are at war so we cant carebear it in peace in empire or whatever. The learning curve in eve is one of several key steps needed so that Eve can reach out to the masses, having the whole player base on the same server is one of games main selling points and when i log in i see like 19-23k ppl on average online, im sorry for a mmorpg that fails misserably, SWG is probably doing better on a subscriber base active and online across several dozen servers, which is a complete abortion of a game, Eve isnt that at all but it sure needs some changes to let it reach its full potential.
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Lautrec What about the implants I plugged into my new alt I started 5 days ago? suck it up... oh - and Weirda <3 you siggie __ Weirda Join QotSA
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Robert Ocean ... I'm sure you all agree these months have been objectively not productive . I've gained RL experience and money, but I didn't "gain" any skills, and you know skills are half of the game. So then, let's say my EVE time these months has been half worth than if the change didn't happen. Then give me half of those SP the newbs are getting free. That means 400-500k. It's a good deal, isn't it? ... I really really really don't get these complaints. In fact they sort of torque me a bit. So just because your character is only 2 months old, you should be compensated? Why? What about me? My char is about 6 months old. But by your reasoning that's ok? I didn't miss anything compared to you? You think that I didn't go through a couple somewhat boring months as well? Only you, me, and everyone else in the **** game that started before the 28th of this month! If CCP had made this change back when I started I'd have probably 1.5mil SP more than I do now. But only you, the 2 month old character has a right to complain? What about the REALLY old characters? If they had had learning skills waaaay back when, they'd really be farther along now. Plus this new 800k primer? That's a huge difference in SP for them. As in double digit millions. But you missing out on just 800k are the only one with a justifiable complaint? So if you get your 500k in compensation, does that mean I should get 1mil? Should a 3 year old character get 8mil compensation? How about no. How about you just roll with the punches just like everyone else playing this game and quit friggen complaining! /sigh I need to quit reading this board. Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
coastie124VD	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:35:00 - [27] It'll be great if you start an alt.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:41:00 - [28] Edited by: Robert Ocean on 25/11/2006 23:44:20 Originally by: Roy Batty68 Originally by: Robert Ocean ... I'm sure you all agree these months have been objectively not productive . I've gained RL experience and money, but I didn't "gain" any skills, and you know skills are half of the game. So then, let's say my EVE time these months has been half worth than if the change didn't happen. Then give me half of those SP the newbs are getting free. That means 400-500k. It's a good deal, isn't it? ... I really really really don't get these complaints. In fact they sort of torque me a bit. So just because your character is only 2 months old, you should be compensated? Why? What about me? My char is about 6 months old. But by your reasoning that's ok? I didn't miss anything compared to you? You think that I didn't go through a couple somewhat boring months as well? Only you, me, and everyone else in the **** game that started before the 28th of this month! If CCP had made this change back when I started I'd have probably 1.5mil SP more than I do now. But only you, the 2 month old character has a right to complain? What about the REALLY old characters? If they had had learning skills waaaay back when, they'd really be farther along now. Plus this new 800k primer? That's a huge difference in SP for them. As in double digit millions. But you missing out on just 800k are the only one with a justifiable complaint? So if you get your 500k in compensation, does that mean I should get 1mil? Should a 3 year old character get 8mil compensation? How about no. How about you just roll with the punches just like everyone else playing this game and quit friggen complaining! /sigh I need to quit reading this board. Where did you read I wanted the bonus ONLY for relatively new players? I said EVERYONE that started before the release of revelations should have the bonus, please read it up. And a 2 year character has lost exactly the same time than I, so he should get no more. 500k SP is what he deserves, let he have it, even if it doesn't count much. It'll be a nice boost in the Capital Ship training bar anyway.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:42:00 - [29] Originally by: coastie124VD It'll be great if you start an alt. Yeah but I don't want an alt. My main is pretty nice, I like him, but I don't like the fact that I spent two months to make him be like he is, where I could just have waited without spending a buck, and having it the same way.
Lautrec LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.26 00:22:00 - [30] Don't get me wrong, I'm not crying in dispair here, I only started my alt a week ago and can live with deleting her and junking her implants. If I was new to this game though and started a month ago I wouldn't be very happy tbh. I didn't think Eve sucked at the beginning, au contraire, I loved every millisecond, but I would still feel a bit cheated when people start with more sp's than I would have. If you sit with a 500k sp character on Wednesday you have a tough decision to make. Many people (including me) get attached to their character and wouldn't want to delete it and just start a new one. Whatever you choose to do in that situation will leave a slightly bitter aftertaste in your mouth. The reason CCP haven't said peep about this until now is because they would loose revenue by people holding off with starting new accounts until after the patch. That's pretty cynical tbh but understandable, they are running a business, not a charity. I actually think it's a good change although 800k sp sounds a bit much. I quite enjoyed the feeling of learning everything from scratch when I started. The learning skill grinding to lvl5 was horrible though so that change is a very good move. I kind of hope that CCP will do something for new players who have started in the last month or so, but the problem that immidiately arises is where do you draw the line? At the end of the day, this is just another sweeping change that will annoy a lot of people, it's not the first and it's not the last, but most of the changes have and will continue to make Eve a better game for everyone.

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