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Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:34:00 - [1] I want either 2 free months or 20 euros in my wallet. GIVE EM NOW OR I WILL DETONATE YOUR BRANCH!!! YARR!!! Nah, now being serious, I felt kinda sad and dissapointed with the "800k new character" feature. Actually I like it, really, it's a great incentive for people starting the game. But let's see my case: I've started a couple months ago, and I currently have 900k skill points, almost the same than newbies start with now. We all now that EVE isn't fun at all (would say it sucks, but don't want to be politically incorrect) when you're so low skilled. IMO the game starts at 1m+. You're already definite, you can either have a nice set of skills for mining, fighting, whatever you like doing, and are a good help in a corp, or solo playing. During that loong path from 0 to 900k, you barely enjoy 1% of the game. I was aware of it, and instead of leaving, as most of my friends did, I kept on struggling to make a little money and level those skill points up Actually, I didn't play much, because I didn't felt like it. I kept paying the monthly fee just to see my skills grow, and some day start really enjoying the game. Money didn't matter much, a couple of lucky drops and a friend's aid sat me around 50 millions, and that's great for a char below 1m SP. So far then, there wasn't any real incentive to pay the game, the only one was training my skills. Now that I joined a nice corp, I have a couple of PVP ships, I'm starting to enjoy and, hey, I first thought the 20 bucks I spent training were worth it. But then I readed the Kali notes, and the new characters part was painful like being roasted in a carrier engine. I had spent all that time and money for nothing. Moving here and there buying books and shooting with my pathetic rookie ship. Now I feel kind of scammed. It's a crude word, and doesn't adjust to reality, since CCP has acted correctly and I have nothing to really complain about. I had my active account like everybody else all this time, so asking for money or extra playtime would make no sense. But please, CCP, give us something in-game to compensate. Give 500k SP to spend in skills to any character that started before kali, for example. This wouldn't imbalance things, and will cheer us all. Please, as a christmas present. /whine mode off
Mads Christensen Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:41:00 - [2] I agree with Robert. ----------------------------------------------- The EVE-Paper thread: Linkage
Varis Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:44:00 - [3] unless you did nothing but sit in a station and train skills - then you have done something - gained experience in the game..
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:46:00 - [4] Did you have fun in those 2 months? If so, your money was not wasted. If not, find a new game. Problem solved. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:48:00 - [5] so? you're still gonna be better than some new player. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.25 21:53:00 - [6] Edited by: Sapphron Dei on 25/11/2006 21:52:49 I understand the OP's feeling. But I have to disagree on the SP granting part. If you want those 800k SP from day one, roll a new/second char. And as stated before; you indeed have the experience that you built up during your skill training that new players dont have. Effectively that puts the new players behind you. --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Kisaku Gallente Earned In Blood	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:01:00 - [7] My character's first days were a bit hazy, but I remember getting out of my rookie ship from day 1, and moving into a incursus, then tristan running combat missions. I enjoyed the game from that point, it was fun being able to train up skills in a couple hours and have whole new venues opened up to ya. I kinda get it about the SP thing. But I don't think it matters to much. An extra 500k sp would be pretty sweet, but I can live without it.
Megilos	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:02:00 - [8] Ok, I can agree with the OP quite a bit. I just started about a week ago and I'm only up to about 200k points. Does this mean that new characters are automatically going to get the 800k at the start? If I roll a new alt, will I get that? If so then I agree that the past week has been kind of for naught. No biggie though, I know most of the basics as of now so it's not like I'm starting out totally newb. What I would like to see is anyone within a certain range of skill points, say 0 to 2 million get an upgrade. (I'd think anything over 2 million and you wouldn't notice a couple of hundred thousand either way--it's debatable I know.) That way Robert wouldn't feel cheated, and I would feel that the past week has been wasted. Not that it's been a total waste--like I said, I'm not a fresh-off-the-planet newb. I've got some experience, I've done some cool things, but I haven't actually ganged or joined a corp yet because I know that with only 200k points I'm not really worth anything yet. I'm having fun pwning NPC's for what it's worth. When I get to around 1 million skill points, am I going to have to differentiate myself in some way from all the insta-skilled newbs? I guess my bio could say something like "and I've EARNED every single skill point so far, no gimmies here!". I dunno. We need some clarification on this. I'm not going to worry about it too much; I don't really like my main's portrait anyhow lol.
Mayoz Miner	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:03:00 - [9] yes I'm in the same boat lol>.< and yes I agree with you. ...... and that silly comment about finding another game the OP has a valid point
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:07:00 - [10] Just roll a new character. You'll have more SP with the new character, and -- more importantly -- in-game experience. It's not a huge deal! Really!
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:09:00 - [11] I have a better proposal! Let's all have additional 900000 sp's in any chosen field (btw, that's what I'm missing towards adv. weapons upgrade lvl V, and it would help me a lot). On a more serious note, I can understand what are you talking about, I'd feel slightly ****ed off too if I were in your situation. Interesting what CCP will do for those players who trained the skills for month and on Wednesday will have the same amount of sp's as newly joined noobs.
Nir Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Moghydin Interesting what CCP will do for those players who trained the skills for month and on Wednesday will have the same amount of sp's as newly joined noobs. My guess would be: Nothing.
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:12:00 - [13] T'Renn is right. I recently opened up a third account, but after checking out the new premade careers im rerolling - im actually quite excited to try it out. Its not bad nor sad to do so. Indeed, collect your goods, let a friend hand em to you or stack em on escrow and transfer all your ISK to your new character. You still have all your experience and you have a jump towards 800k SP. Not only that, you save a few ISK that you otherwise would have spent on those books you needed to train the skills Just look at it from a positive perspective!!! --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Mayoz Miner yes I'm in the same boat lol>.< and yes I agree with you. ...... and that silly comment about finding another game the OP has a valid point Not completely silly if you read why Verus said it that way: if you feel you wasted your money and didnt gain any fun from it you should pick another game. So ask yourself: was the time you spent thusfar playing EVE enjoyable?? --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Lautrec LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:26:00 - [15] What about the implants I plugged into my new alt I started 5 days ago? Signature file size to big, please keep it under 24000 bytes - Petwraith
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:30:00 - [16] Edited by: Robert Ocean on 25/11/2006 22:33:19 Edited by: Robert Ocean on 25/11/2006 22:32:08 Thank you all for the answers... Well, the point is... There is really nothing to complain about. There has been no loss. If the change didn't occur, I'd be exactly the same. Rolling a new char wouldn't help, as I have 100k more skill points already and I like the way they've been spent. It's just that... Cmon, I could have 1,8 million now. It's ok, I've gained experience, but I could have gained the same experience playing with a couple of 800k SP trial accounts, whose respective characters would have been better than my main at that point anyway, and then, once I know what's eve about start paying the game. I'm sure you all agree these months have been objectively not productive . I've gained RL experience and money, but I didn't "gain" any skills, and you know skills are half of the game. So then, let's say my EVE time these months has been half worth than if the change didn't happen. Then give me half of those SP the newbs are getting free. That means 400-500k. It's a good deal, isn't it? Quote: What about the implants I plugged into my new alt I started 5 days ago? Thats another thing I wanted to discuss. it's an enormous loss, and I'm pretty sure it has happened more than once. The extra 500k would balance things.
Noomee	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:41:00 - [17] Quit whining about that change. It will finally let newbies be more specialized from the get go, and catch up faster to join the core of the action without having to spend 3 months training skills and doing agent missions in empire space. I salute this change, and I don't think they should be giving any kind of compensation for the players that already have more than 800k sp. besides, it clearly says in the EULA that CCP has the right to change everything in the game, and they don't "oew" any free month to anyone. If you're not happy, just quit. Otherwise, adapt and either create a new char and use the one you have now as a mean of financing your new char.
Saetix	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:48:00 - [18] /agree with the OP
Locarna Lustram	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:56:00 - [19] What? What's wrong with you? I started out with something like 60k SP and I had a blast in my first month - heck, I still am. Get out there, run DEDspaces way above your level, tease pirates, try running trades, explore, talk to people. You seem to think that it's some kind of zero-sum thing, where if someone else is winning then you are losing. I have 2.2M SP now and I don't want a single damb extra Skill Point I haven't earned, thank you. Less complaining, more flying.
The Slayer Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:58:00 - [20] When I joined the game I couldnt fly a deimos DAMMIT CCP GIVE ME MY YEAR BACK! Get over it man, its not the end of the world.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.25 22:58:00 - [21] Considering I spend 3 months in a Caracal with 25km sps in missiles, I cannot agree that ther'es nothing to do while training skills, even the learning skills. Yes, those months were boring as all hell at times, but I didn't HAVE to do it either. I could've just trained other skills and said to hell with learning skills. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Lautrec What about the implants I plugged into my new alt I started 5 days ago? Was that a "I really should read the forums before plugging implants just before a major expansion" implant? Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:07:00 - [23] My first month+ was some of the best time I've had in any game. The sheer overwhelming vastness of everything, the realisation that the market was almost all player driven, looking at the map and seeing how stupidly huge it was. . . I could go on. I simply completely disagree that being < 1m SP makes the game not fun. If you didn't find it to be so then ok, and if you think you'll enjoy the game from now on cool, but don't generalise and say this is true for all. Anyways you've gained experience and knowledge in your first month, and everyone with a brain knows that's more important than SP. If any of this is crap, sorry, I'm drunk. - - - - - - - - - - "PERGITE DEGUSTATE FORMOSUM BELLUM" Forward to taste the beautiful war. . .
Vasco Falcon	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:08:00 - [24] Edited by: Vasco Falcon on 25/11/2006 23:09:12 I disagree strongly with Robby. Now u can get adv learning skills with basic 4, i spent like 5+ weeks or something carrying on with that test of my patience that learning skills 5 basic was, following much recommendation from veteran players instead of learning interesting and usable stuff like ship and gunnery skills, big deal? Welcome to the world off mmorgs. On the 800k or whatever skill point issue itself, nows your chance to roll an alt im sure many ppl with charactors the same age as yourself and me will be too and will find much use the skill points boost in a few months time when our player corps are at war so we cant carebear it in peace in empire or whatever. The learning curve in eve is one of several key steps needed so that Eve can reach out to the masses, having the whole player base on the same server is one of games main selling points and when i log in i see like 19-23k ppl on average online, im sorry for a mmorpg that fails misserably, SWG is probably doing better on a subscriber base active and online across several dozen servers, which is a complete abortion of a game, Eve isnt that at all but it sure needs some changes to let it reach its full potential.
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Lautrec What about the implants I plugged into my new alt I started 5 days ago? suck it up... oh - and Weirda <3 you siggie __ Weirda Join QotSA
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Robert Ocean ... I'm sure you all agree these months have been objectively not productive . I've gained RL experience and money, but I didn't "gain" any skills, and you know skills are half of the game. So then, let's say my EVE time these months has been half worth than if the change didn't happen. Then give me half of those SP the newbs are getting free. That means 400-500k. It's a good deal, isn't it? ... I really really really don't get these complaints. In fact they sort of torque me a bit. So just because your character is only 2 months old, you should be compensated? Why? What about me? My char is about 6 months old. But by your reasoning that's ok? I didn't miss anything compared to you? You think that I didn't go through a couple somewhat boring months as well? Only you, me, and everyone else in the **** game that started before the 28th of this month! If CCP had made this change back when I started I'd have probably 1.5mil SP more than I do now. But only you, the 2 month old character has a right to complain? What about the REALLY old characters? If they had had learning skills waaaay back when, they'd really be farther along now. Plus this new 800k primer? That's a huge difference in SP for them. As in double digit millions. But you missing out on just 800k are the only one with a justifiable complaint? So if you get your 500k in compensation, does that mean I should get 1mil? Should a 3 year old character get 8mil compensation? How about no. How about you just roll with the punches just like everyone else playing this game and quit friggen complaining! /sigh I need to quit reading this board. Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
coastie124VD	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:35:00 - [27] It'll be great if you start an alt.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:41:00 - [28] Edited by: Robert Ocean on 25/11/2006 23:44:20 Originally by: Roy Batty68 Originally by: Robert Ocean ... I'm sure you all agree these months have been objectively not productive . I've gained RL experience and money, but I didn't "gain" any skills, and you know skills are half of the game. So then, let's say my EVE time these months has been half worth than if the change didn't happen. Then give me half of those SP the newbs are getting free. That means 400-500k. It's a good deal, isn't it? ... I really really really don't get these complaints. In fact they sort of torque me a bit. So just because your character is only 2 months old, you should be compensated? Why? What about me? My char is about 6 months old. But by your reasoning that's ok? I didn't miss anything compared to you? You think that I didn't go through a couple somewhat boring months as well? Only you, me, and everyone else in the **** game that started before the 28th of this month! If CCP had made this change back when I started I'd have probably 1.5mil SP more than I do now. But only you, the 2 month old character has a right to complain? What about the REALLY old characters? If they had had learning skills waaaay back when, they'd really be farther along now. Plus this new 800k primer? That's a huge difference in SP for them. As in double digit millions. But you missing out on just 800k are the only one with a justifiable complaint? So if you get your 500k in compensation, does that mean I should get 1mil? Should a 3 year old character get 8mil compensation? How about no. How about you just roll with the punches just like everyone else playing this game and quit friggen complaining! /sigh I need to quit reading this board. Where did you read I wanted the bonus ONLY for relatively new players? I said EVERYONE that started before the release of revelations should have the bonus, please read it up. And a 2 year character has lost exactly the same time than I, so he should get no more. 500k SP is what he deserves, let he have it, even if it doesn't count much. It'll be a nice boost in the Capital Ship training bar anyway.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:42:00 - [29] Originally by: coastie124VD It'll be great if you start an alt. Yeah but I don't want an alt. My main is pretty nice, I like him, but I don't like the fact that I spent two months to make him be like he is, where I could just have waited without spending a buck, and having it the same way.
Lautrec LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.26 00:22:00 - [30] Don't get me wrong, I'm not crying in dispair here, I only started my alt a week ago and can live with deleting her and junking her implants. If I was new to this game though and started a month ago I wouldn't be very happy tbh. I didn't think Eve sucked at the beginning, au contraire, I loved every millisecond, but I would still feel a bit cheated when people start with more sp's than I would have. If you sit with a 500k sp character on Wednesday you have a tough decision to make. Many people (including me) get attached to their character and wouldn't want to delete it and just start a new one. Whatever you choose to do in that situation will leave a slightly bitter aftertaste in your mouth. The reason CCP haven't said peep about this until now is because they would loose revenue by people holding off with starting new accounts until after the patch. That's pretty cynical tbh but understandable, they are running a business, not a charity. I actually think it's a good change although 800k sp sounds a bit much. I quite enjoyed the feeling of learning everything from scratch when I started. The learning skill grinding to lvl5 was horrible though so that change is a very good move. I kind of hope that CCP will do something for new players who have started in the last month or so, but the problem that immidiately arises is where do you draw the line? At the end of the day, this is just another sweeping change that will annoy a lot of people, it's not the first and it's not the last, but most of the changes have and will continue to make Eve a better game for everyone.
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.11.26 00:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Robert Ocean ... And a 2 year character has lost exactly the same time than I, so he should get no more. 500k SP is what he deserves, let he have it, even if it doesn't count much. It'll be a nice boost in the Capital Ship training bar anyway. /sigh No. I guarantee that as soon as CCP grants everyone a freebie 500k SP, someone would whip out an Excel sheet showing how if they had gotten the boost to learning skills two years ago they would actually have 2.34465mil more SP points now and to only get a 500k boost makes CCP a TERRIBLE company that doesn't care and blah blah blah rabble rabble rabble. When CCP introduced the learning skills, did they compensate the older players who had been playing without them up until that point? If not, the precedent is set. Game's change. You agreed to it in the EULA. Other things are changing for the better as well. For instance, would it be right of me to start complaining about how if I had had the upcomming increase in HP on my Ferox two months ago, I wouldn't have lost it in PvP? Should I start demanding that CCP do the Timewarp and compensate my past game play every time they improve something? Trust me, I would love to have another 500k SP. But that isn't the point. Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
Kylania Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.26 01:49:00 - [32] Edited by: Kylania on 26/11/2006 01:50:59 Edited by: Kylania on 26/11/2006 01:50:29 My bank is offering a free toaster to any new acounts that people open. I've had my acount for a decade. While it's perhaps a shame that I can't get the toaster, the bank doesn't owe me anything. I was able to spend the money I earned from interest while having my account and using it to buy myself a toaster. Something I earned myself, rather than was given to em. I also know much more about using my account than someone that says "hey, toaster!" and starts this week. So yeah, if you want a free toaster, start over. Otherwise take your knowledge and resources you have so far and buy yourself a toaster. Either way you get toast. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| CCG Card Lookup
Sgt Blade Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:08:00 - [33] Edited by: Sgt Blade on 26/11/2006 02:08:27 well asmume that your main char has not got more then 1.2 mill sp mabey?? then all new palyers recently can easily make an alt with the new sp and just wire over assets vie escrow so EDIT alt on same account ISC Are Recruiting
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:21:00 - [34] Originally by: Robert Ocean Originally by: coastie124VD It'll be great if you start an alt. Yeah but I don't want an alt. My main is pretty nice, I like him, but I don't like the fact that I spent two months to make him be like he is, where I could just have waited without spending a buck, and having it the same way. See, this is where your flawed logic is brought to light. If you waited till kali, then you'd have nothing right now. You'd have no character, no assets, no knowledge of the game, no experience, no clue...etc. 3 days after I made this char, someone told me I should remake and get caldari frig 4 and SSC 2, I had 100k sps at the time, remaking would've given me 120k or so. Did I remake? No. Does it matter now? No. Unlike me back then, you've likely got more SPs than a new char will. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Sswiftstrike	Posted - 2006.11.26 03:21:00 - [35] Edited by: Sswiftstrike on 26/11/2006 03:22:01 That blows... I just recently started playing which means someone who starts playing tuesday will have more points than me and ive been playing about 2 weeks (about 700,000 more). Hopefully Ill at least have a better ship and better skill customization.
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.11.26 04:33:00 - [36] Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 26/11/2006 04:36:59 Originally by: Kylania Edited by: Kylania on 26/11/2006 01:50:59 Edited by: Kylania on 26/11/2006 01:50:29 My bank is offering a free toaster to any new acounts that people open. I've had my acount for a decade. While it's perhaps a shame that I can't get the toaster, the bank doesn't owe me anything. I was able to spend the money I earned from interest while having my account and using it to buy myself a toaster. Something I earned myself, rather than was given to em. I also know much more about using my account than someone that says "hey, toaster!" and starts this week. So yeah, if you want a free toaster, start over. Otherwise take your knowledge and resources you have so far and buy yourself a toaster. Either way you get toast. but you can open a new account and get your free toaster and then forget about it and it means nothing this is a kick in the teeth for everybody that started off with 25k or so sp i thought the new bloodlines was over generous tbh but this just takes the biscuit if your going to do this ccp then you owe all the people that came up the hard way 800k sp Edit: and off the top of my head a x3 skill taken to level 5 is about 255k sp is it not? thats 3 x3 skills at lvl 5
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.26 04:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Sswiftstrike Edited by: Sswiftstrike on 26/11/2006 03:22:01 That blows... I just recently started playing which means someone who starts playing tuesday will have more points than me and ive been playing about 2 weeks (about 700,000 more). Hopefully Ill at least have a better ship and better skill customization. Honestly, for people who have maybe 100k sos or so, I'd suggest making an alt, giving everything yuou have to that alt, and making a new char at Kali. You may decide that another race is better. I know I'd change to civire now if I could. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Madcat Adams Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.26 04:40:00 - [38] Yes it's annoying that brand new characters will be getting free sp's, but then to characters older than mine it's probably annoying that I could set learning skills immediatly, not that I did. Some little something would be nice, but why harasses CCP over it? Just let it go, it's good enough that any alts made will get some extra skillz now. Though, if they want to throw say a turkey launcher for every account or something the day before it would be a nice chuckle. It's great being Amarr, ain't it? Aimez- "oh ****, this is empire......." Thanks for the loot, and next time you go out to pirate, carry more tech 2 plz =)
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.11.26 04:43:00 - [39] Quote: but why harasses CCP over it? because they knew it would pss off everybody that had t start with 1/10 of the sp but they went ahead and did it anyway and lets face it... at risk of sounding whiny its not fair
Madcat Adams Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:11:00 - [40] Originally by: CharlieMurphy Quote: but why harasses CCP over it? because they knew it would pss off everybody that had t start with 1/10 of the sp but they went ahead and did it anyway and lets face it... at risk of sounding whiny its not fair Not fair? My friend, Eve is not fair. If 800k skill points seems that terriable, lets just say you haven't seen anything yet. To name a few things.. the tech 2 monopoly isn't fair. Reaver domination of non alliance low sec isn't fair. Alliance domination of the rest of low sec isn't fair. BoB isn't fair . Ancient PCs with event issued ships isn't fair. The current state of Amarr isn't fair . Besides, free skill points for everyone would be a nightmare to implement. It's great being Amarr, ain't it? Aimez- "oh ****, this is empire......." Thanks for the loot, and next time you go out to pirate, carry more tech 2 plz =)
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:21:00 - [41] Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 26/11/2006 05:22:51 Quote: Besides, free skill points for everyone would be a nightmare to implement your right but like the title of this thread says,that much skill points looks quite alot like a months worth of eve time and why do new players need it anyway ? gunnery 5 was a big deal for me so was frigate 5 and i got by fine with the sp i started with this is wrong it makes me want to hang round starter systems victimising noobs tbh Edit:just give me my 800k sp and ill stop moaning about it all im saying is give a fair deal to all
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.26 06:10:00 - [42] Originally by: CharlieMurphy Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 26/11/2006 05:22:51 Quote: Besides, free skill points for everyone would be a nightmare to implement your right but like the title of this thread says,that much skill points looks quite alot like a months worth of eve time and why do new players need it anyway ? gunnery 5 was a big deal for me so was frigate 5 and i got by fine with the sp i started with this is wrong it makes me want to hang round starter systems victimising noobs tbh Edit:just give me my 800k sp and ill stop moaning about it all im saying is give a fair deal to all Fair? Newbies have 800k SPS, a year old player will have around 14-16million. 3 year vets are 40-50+ million. And you say 'fair'. These SPs are not a big deal and in a month or two, nobody's going to be ***ing about it. Originally by:** kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.26 08:21:00 - [43] This is an interesting problem..... and whilst on the face of it the OP does have a point.... I believe he/she also has got the wrong end of the stick completely about EVE. The way you gain SP in EVE is a strange thing to get your head round.. gaining SP and playing the game are two completely different things and are not connected, other than your experiences guiding you in what to train next. What you experience in game will affect your choice in training.... but playing the game itself is not related to gaining SP. The question one has to ask oneself, is I am enjoying playing the game? Irrelevant of skill points... and the answer to that will be what keeps you in the game in the long run.. not how many SP you have. Every step you take in EVE is unique, and is part of who your character becomes.. so the time you spent playing the game even with low SP is priceless..... you will never experience it again.. and when you have been playing for longer you will realise just how precious those times were when you were fumbling around working your way around the universe. So in the end your low SP is part of the adventure.....you will meet people you may not meet again as a higher skill point character, and those relationships you made ingame could very well define the rest of your eve career. EVE is so much more than the skill points your character has. Well thats the way I see it anyhow.
Megilos	Posted - 2006.11.26 09:12:00 - [44] Originally by: Kylania Edited by: Kylania on 26/11/2006 01:50:59 Edited by: Kylania on 26/11/2006 01:50:29 My bank is offering a free toaster to any new acounts that people open. I've had my acount for a decade. While it's perhaps a shame that I can't get the toaster, the bank doesn't owe me anything. I was able to spend the money I earned from interest while having my account and using it to buy myself a toaster. Something I earned myself, rather than was given to em. I also know much more about using my account than someone that says "hey, toaster!" and starts this week. So yeah, if you want a free toaster, start over. Otherwise take your knowledge and resources you have so far and buy yourself a toaster. Either way you get toast. You are my hero. I want a plaque of this cast in bronze and bolted to my warp drive. :) Seriously though, very good point. Though if you use the same analogy with retail, most stores offer some kind of price garantee for a period of days, et al. Whatever. This too shall pass.
Tyler Lowe Minmatar DROW Org	Posted - 2006.11.26 09:25:00 - [45] To be honest, the skillpoint adavantage is pretty meaningless within a very short period of time. The item that is not so meaningless is the new race attributes. I understand where you're coming from, but the real difference is in the new attribute totals. That never goes away. If CCP were going to give any sort of holiday gift, my vote would go towards a boost in the attributes of the original race selections to bring them in line with the new types. I see a difference between offering a toaster and offering a better interest rate to new accounts to use the analogy above. J.A.F.O.
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2006.11.26 10:20:00 - [46] i started 3.5 yars ago. i wanna get a reward too if any pre patch gets sp. not that meesly 800.000 would do anything. but i paid lots more than u guys did in those years so i want a reward.. just the fact u start with more sp is ODD. so stop whining. and play the game.. u wont get anything nore will we the old players. i will however make a lot of cyno alts when kali hits and that is very nice now u get that much sp as start... i will make routes all ower eve.
viuva	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:48:00 - [47] you know what ??? I agree with him old players , Would you like to see a new player with almost the same points as you ??? yeah... you dont.. thats why agree with him !.. CCP give points to all... i understand what you wanna do... but be fair with all !
Kyodai Koga	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:34:00 - [48] Although I understand the OP concerns (i'm myself just a few months old, currently around 3.5M sp), I don't really care about the 800k the newbies starts with as this stage is far behind me now (even if it's true that newbies will have it a bit too easy I think, 400k would have been far sufficient). However, I feel far more concerned with the new reqs of adv learnings only requiring lvl 4 in basics learnings to gain access to them. A lvl 5 in basic learning is around 6-7 days of training, so x4 (per/wil/mem/int) it's 24-28 days of training, nearly one full month of Eve only to gain access to adv learnings. It'll take me a lot of training time to compensate for these 24 days of learning 5 training. And now, as i'm not even finished to train all my learnings, CCP tells me that i've lost (yes, I care less about one point of attribute than the week it takes to train the skill, seeing the training time it'll take me to start getting profits from it) one full month of training ? For a four months old character, it's a bit harsh as I'll have to wait many months to compensate for this loss and start to get benefits from it. What i'm asking for here is a respec of the Learnings for all characters. Let those that want it put only 4 lvl in learnings, get access to adv learnings and get back their month of training to put somewhere else. In fact, if we don't get a respec of some kind, I fear this little yellow brick in each of the basic learnings will haunt me each time I'll open my character sheet until the end of my character life
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Tyler Lowe To be honest, the skillpoint adavantage is pretty meaningless within a very short period of time. The item that is not so meaningless is the new race attributes. I understand where you're coming from, but the real difference is in the new attribute totals. That never goes away. If CCP were going to give any sort of holiday gift, my vote would go towards a boost in the attributes of the original race selections to bring them in line with the new types. I see a difference between offering a toaster and offering a better interest rate to new accounts to use the analogy above. What? I didn't know there was an attribute total difference between the races. How much are we talking? Between a Deteis and an Achura for instance. Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
Kolbie	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:12:00 - [50] I aggree with OP
Illegal KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:14:00 - [51] i loved every second of every hour i played EvE from my very first moment in the station, i totally disagree that the first 1mil SP are boring. To be fair, on alts i've trained when i've done nothing but learning skills for the first 1.8mil SP, yeah, if that was my main it'd have been boring, but i also wouldnt have just done learning skills On the contrary, i feel that its the later SP amounts, when you've had experience and time ingame, that is when it starts to get boring, not the beginning, all wide eyed and on that steep learning curve that never seems to end, like going up at that first climb on a rollercoaster, you know the rush is coming, but you'll be ****ed if you know when, you cant wait but on and on you go, climbing away --
TheChrisD Amarr Impact Inc. Serenus Letum	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:36:00 - [52] I have to agree with Robert - even though I created my char as a trial account in June and didn't start playing again until September - I only have 500k skill points. In-game my char has a load of good stuff - a powerful BC, good cash, and a few implants - but now that newbie characters are going to start with more than me sickens me. I feel that all the pre-Revelations players should get a small amount of extra SP to spend as they wish - like possibly around 200-300k, or at least enough to cut about a week from our skill training time. If CCP decide to do nothing, then it seems they don't really care much about their "veterans" and "old-timers", and instead care more for bringing in newbies who have no idea what they are doing - which will fill the game up with n00bs, and make it unplayable.
Raneru Gallente Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:15:00 - [53] It has been proved time and time again in Eve that SP is not a substitute for player skill and experience. Giving 800k to new players does not change anything, they still need to learn how the game works.
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:34:00 - [54] Originally by: TheChrisD I have to agree with Robert - even though I created my char as a trial account in June and didn't start playing again until September - I only have 500k skill points. In-game my char has a load of good stuff - a powerful BC, good cash, and a few implants - but now that newbie characters are going to start with more than me sickens me. I feel that all the pre-Revelations players should get a small amount of extra SP to spend as they wish - like possibly around 200-300k, or at least enough to cut about a week from our skill training time. If CCP decide to do nothing, then it seems they don't really care much about their "veterans" and "old-timers", and instead care more for bringing in newbies who have no idea what they are doing - which will fill the game up with n00bs, and make it unplayable. See, there's two lines of thought in the this thread that really make me want to pod someone. 1) Noobs just noob enough that they can really see how there is a difference between themselves and the new noobs who will begin with 800k. As if that somehow makes them special and different from the rest of us. In reality they are absolutely no different than me at 6 months or someone at 1 year, etc. At your point in EVE gameplay, you are exactly like I was when I was at 1-2 months in. So.What. Your choices are: - Reroll a new character OR - Quit whining and game on 2) The second line of thought is very common in MMOs and is displayed in TheChrisD post. The "I went to school barefoot in the snow so why should you kids have it easier" syndrom. As an example: I played Dark Age of Camelot for 3-4 years and I must say that skilling up a crafter in that game was one of the most boring and unfun things I have ever paid for to date. It was very obvious that that system needed to be improved. However, when Mythic finally got around to improving their crafting system, loads of people started complaining about how it would "devalue their skill levels" or "make it obvious that they didn't care about their veterans or old-timers"... That's just immature. You are playing an MMO. MMOs by their very nature are constantly changing trying to improve the experience to attract new customers. If you think that the game shouldn't improve because it might somehow devalue your past experiences then YOU SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING MMOs! Your requirements are mutually exclusive to those of an MMO company! Again, your choices are: - Cancel your subscription (please!) OR - Quit whining and game on Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
Radamathadus	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:46:00 - [55] The OP and all newer players to Eve have my sympathy regarding this change. I remember the challanges I faced in my first few months and the friends I made and the identity i carved out for myself. Telling them to suck it up and reroll is pretty insulting tbh. They might have only been playing for a short while but they are who they are and in there own ways have already contributed and left their marks upon the Eve universe. Sure the Eve universe is unfair within the game but character creation itself should be balanced. 800k starting sp's is a great place for new players too enter the game and will hopefully increase the uptake from trial accounts. But consider what percentage of your total sp's 800k is? For many it will be more than they currently have while for those upto 6 months old it will be a significant proportion. Giving the whole player base a one off sp boost of 500 - 800k is entirely fair. It would make very little differance in the great scheme to veterans but would make a huge differance to the younger characters and allow them to continue without feeling cheated. So I say give a one off boost as it is unarguably fair and come Thurday the natural eve order by date of character creation will be maintained. Of course it should be optional so those of you with strong moral objections can say "no" and maintain your personal integrity.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:54:00 - [56] Edited by: Robert Ocean on 26/11/2006 14:56:22 Originally by: Radamathadus The OP and all newer players to Eve have my sympathy regarding this change. I remember the challanges I faced in my first few months and the friends I made and the identity i carved out for myself. Telling them to suck it up and reroll is pretty insulting tbh. They might have only been playing for a short while but they are who they are and in there own ways have already contributed and left their marks upon the Eve universe. Sure the Eve universe is unfair within the game but character creation itself should be balanced. 800k starting sp's is a great place for new players too enter the game and will hopefully increase the uptake from trial accounts. But consider what percentage of your total sp's 800k is? For many it will be more than they currently have while for those upto 6 months old it will be a significant proportion. Giving the whole player base a one off sp boost of 500 - 800k is entirely fair. It would make very little differance in the great scheme to veterans but would make a huge differance to the younger characters and allow them to continue without feeling cheated. So I say give a one off boost as it is unarguably fair and come Thurday the natural eve order by date of character creation will be maintained. Of course it should be optional so those of you with strong moral objections can say "no" and maintain your personal integrity. Couldn't have explained better. Kudos mate. Originally by: Raneru It has been proved time and time again in Eve that SP is not a substitute for player skill and experience. Giving 800k to new players does not change anything, they still need to learn how the game works. You all seem not to get the point about experience. You're right, that newbie will need the same two months to learn how to play that I needed. But at the end of them two, he will have twice my SP! It's not that I DIDN'T need the two months I played, It's just that if I had waited and started in revelations, I'd be twice as skilled with the same real life experience, and that, my friend, isn't in my honest opinion fair. I'm not trying to abolish the change. I like it! It will even make some of my friends join EVE and that's just wonderful. I just want a little compensation for all the effort, all the goals I've been reaching, that now have became dust, since with a single click everyone can get them free.
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.26 15:44:00 - [57] I kinda feel ****ed off with this tho, I just activated a trial account 5 days ago, and to find out, that I should have waited for the new expansion... how am I gonna get those 14 days back on that trial account? and it only has 400k skillpoints... this aint fair for the new characters... I'd say all accounts activated within the last 14 days should at least get another free 14 days...
Locarna Lustram	Posted - 2006.11.26 15:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Naruto Jr I kinda feel ****ed off with this tho, I just activated a trial account 5 days ago, and to find out, that I should have waited for the new expansion... how am I gonna get those 14 days back on that trial account? and it only has 400k skillpoints... this aint fair for the new characters... I'd say all accounts activated within the last 14 days should at least get another free 14 days... Cancel your account. Wait until Kali is released. Create a new trial account and start with 800k SP. Problem solved.
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.26 15:50:00 - [59] Edited by: Naruto Jr on 26/11/2006 15:52:24 Originally by: Locarna Lustram Originally by: Naruto Jr I kinda feel **ed off with this tho, I just activated a trial account 5 days ago, and to find out, that I should have waited for the new expansion... how am I gonna get those 14 days back on that trial account? and it only has 400k skillpoints... this aint fair for the new characters... I'd say all accounts activated within the last 14 days should at least get another free 14 days... Cancel your account. Wait until Kali is released. Create a new trial account and start with 800k SP. Problem solved. You dont get it do you? its activated, its paid for... As I'm saying, CCP owes anyone who has activated an account within the last 14 days, at least another 14 days gametime... this is really **** up...
Kage Getsu Lordless	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:03:00 - [60] Skillpoint total doesn't matter as much as you'd think. It's not like generic level-based MMOs where level 60 is automatically better than level 59 in every way. _________________________________________________________
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Kage Getsu Skillpoint total doesn't matter as much as you'd think. It's not like generic level-based MMOs where level 60 is automatically better than level 59 in every way. I kinda get your point, but If I just had 800k more skillpoints now, it would be more than enough to be flying a nice megathron and aid my corporation in the war, thing that I can't do because I can fly few decent ships, and none enough to match enemy gangs. Maybe three months later it won't matter, but now it does...
Syril Mert Dawn of a new Empire Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:07:00 - [62] My great grand father was disappointed when they introduced cars in this country after he had spent a lifetime investing in horses. I don't really see your point, Robert. The world evolves as it always has.
Kurt Welter	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:11:00 - [63] I somewhat agree with the OP. This is a one and a half month old character that is the alt of my main (who is not a noob). I started up a second account so I could race a second character into captial ships without derailing the skill training plan on my main account. I have paid for two months of service on this account and now realize they have been of little value. This character is up to approximately 600,000 skill points, having trained nothing but learning skills from creation. To those people that say that I've gained "invaluable game experience," that doesn't always apply. This character is an alt of my main, and I've gained nothing by paying for two extra months to start a second account. I would not have started paying for this account had I known about the new character creation process when I opened it. Additionally, when I did find out about the new process, it was not confirmed that the 800k skill point starting statistic would be coming with Revelations. By the time I found that out I had already invested two 30-Day GTCs on this account. I certainly plan on rerolling a new account on Wednesday next week (/me keeps his fingers crossed for a smooth patch deployment), but it aggrivates me greatly that I spent the isk for two months of game play on an account that really doesn't matter.
Illegal KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:15:00 - [64] now that i've properly woken up and had a think about it, the reason why these newb accounts have so many more SP will be due to starting with some skills at level 5 as apposed to level 3 / 4 at the moment, as stated now it equates to about 3 rank 3 skills at 5. thats what? 45 - 60 days of training. it is also 1 of 2 things: 1. a 5% bonus to something. 2. a pre-requisite. (and a 5% bonus to something) its not like this is a huge big deal. I find it funny however, that we're getting these "omg newbs are gonna get more than me" whine threads, a months and months of "omg im a newb and i cant catch up to these people who have been playing for a long time" whine threads. You guys are never ******* happy unless you're whining. You guys realise that CCP are trying to help all new starters, not penalize you. --
Illifae	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:19:00 - [65] Originally by: Locarna Lustram What? What's wrong with you? I started out with something like 60k SP and I had a blast in my first month - heck, I still am. Get out there, run DEDspaces way above your level, tease pirates, try running trades, explore, talk to people. You seem to think that it's some kind of zero-sum thing, where if someone else is winning then you are losing. I have 2.2M SP now and I don't want a single damb extra Skill Point I haven't earned, thank you. Less complaining, more flying. <3 I want to have your pod babies
Locarna Lustram	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:21:00 - [66] Originally by: Naruto Jr Edited by: Naruto Jr on 26/11/2006 15:52:24 Originally by: Locarna Lustram Originally by: Naruto Jr I kinda feel **ed off with this tho, I just activated a trial account 5 days ago, and to find out, that I should have waited for the new expansion... how am I gonna get those 14 days back on that trial account? and it only has 400k skillpoints... this aint fair for the new characters... I'd say all accounts activated within the last 14 days should at least get another free 14 days... Cancel your account. Wait until Kali is released. Create a new trial account and start with 800k SP. Problem solved. You dont get it do you? its activated, its paid for... As I'm saying, CCP owes anyone who has activated an account within the last 14 days, at least another 14 days gametime... this is really **** up... I understand your situation, just not your attitude. Clearly you enjoy the game enough to have paid for it, right? The enjoyment is what you're buying, not the SP. The only people being "cheated" are, I dunno, maybe character farmers. Or people who need to know not that they're having fun, but that no-one else is having more fun than them. I started about 2 months ago, and I've clawed my way to 2.2M SP. So new characters are going to start with about 35% of the SP I have. But that dosen't cost me one single ISK or SP, doesn't make my character one bit weaker, and won't change the fact that I've had a blast playing these last two months. it certainly won't change the fact that I've put my SP where I think they'll do the most good so I can do the things I want. This character is mine; I made it, trained it and played it. To suddenly get 800K "free" SP would wreck it for me and trash my involvement. For me this is an opportunity: I have deleted my alts (left over from when I was trying to create the character I wanted), so I can now create create a viable hauler alt and maybe even an industrial alt.
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:40:00 - [67] I cant believe this topic already has 3 pages . I run 3 accounts, 1 of them being over a million SP, the other 2 below that. When Revelations is released ill reroll those on my other accounts and benefit from the SP boost that those characters get. What I just cant understand is that so many of you feel like a "victim" of a game expansion sheesh. No its not an insult to say: suck it up. Yes it is pointless to say: compensate me for lost time. Just reroll if its sucks so bad for you below 800 SP. And man, its uber pointless to "demand" SP from CCP, nor is it constructive. This type of frustration ony gets your own balls in a knot. I am looking forward to trade my 500 & 600 SP characters for the new Revelation characters. I really dont understand all this fuss about a difference in SP. Its just about as fruitful as saying pirates suck and need to be banned. Get over it. /rantmode off --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:53:00 - [68] RL money is the difference! its all about the money and time... Who gives a **** about fun, this is about the fact that you getting less of an product compared to others for the same $$$.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:03:00 - [69] Originally by: Sapphron Dei I cant believe this topic already has 3 pages . I run 3 accounts, 1 of them being over a million SP, the other 2 below that. When Revelations is released ill reroll those on my other accounts and benefit from the SP boost that those characters get. What I just cant understand is that so many of you feel like a "victim" of a game expansion sheesh. No its not an insult to say: suck it up. Yes it is pointless to say: compensate me for lost time. Just reroll if its sucks so bad for you below 800 SP. And man, its uber pointless to "demand" SP from CCP, nor is it constructive. This type of frustration ony gets your own balls in a knot. I am looking forward to trade my 500 & 600 SP characters for the new Revelation characters. I really dont understand all this fuss about a difference in SP. Its just about as fruitful as saying pirates suck and need to be banned. Get over it. /rantmode off You sound like you're not spending half your moneybox in EVE like I do.
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:13:00 - [70] Originally by: Naruto Jr RL money is the difference! its all about the money and time... Who gives a ** about fun, this is about the fact that you getting less of an product compared to others for the same $$$. I havent heard more crap in this thread before than now. Who gives a about fun you say?? Just about every gameplaying customer here does. And you feel you get less of this product??? You really need to stop talking out of your backside. Everybody gets the same product for their spent money. You probably have less than 800 sp now? then reroll already if you feel tricked! Transfer all you own to the new character. Dont want to? The turn whine mode off, get over it and move on. --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!**
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:16:00 - [71] yeah very much so... Guess he doesnt get the point that he just spend 20$ on a game, to have fun, to learn, you have to start all over, and you got screwed over... Nice start for new players... Learn how CCP ass rapes your wallet...
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:18:00 - [72] Edited by: Sapphron Dei on 26/11/2006 17:21:19 Edited by: Sapphron Dei on 26/11/2006 17:19:55 Originally by: Robert Ocean You sound like you're not spending half your moneybox in EVE like I do. And? Because I pay 3 times as much I dont have to argue about the upcoming changes? Wether you play 1 or 10 accounts the feeling remains the same for all of us. Some of us manage to see the bright side while others manage to see mostly downsides. The choice is yours. Originally by: Naruto jr Yeah very much so... Guess he doesnt get the point that he just spend 20$ on a game, to have fun, to learn, you have to start all over, and you got screwed over... Nice start for new players... Learn how CCP ass rapes your wallet... Who says you need to start over? that would be you. You had fun right? Whats your point again? --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:22:00 - [73] Originally by: Sapphron Dei Originally by: Naruto Jr RL money is the difference! its all about the money and time... Who gives a ** about fun, this is about the fact that you getting less of an product compared to others for the same $$$. I havent heard more crap in this thread before than now. Who gives a about fun you say?? Just about every gameplaying customer here does. And you feel you get less of this product??? You really need to stop talking out of your backside. Everybody gets the same product for their spent money. You probably have less than 800 sp now? then reroll already if you feel tricked! Transfer all you own to the new character. Dont want to? The turn whine mode off, get over it and move on. I dont really give a ** about the SP, what I give something about, is that I lost my 14 days of hard work, to start over. I want my 14 days back of playtime!
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:23:00 - [74] Originally by: Kyodai Koga However, I feel far more concerned with the new reqs of adv learnings only requiring lvl 4 in basics learnings to gain access to them. A lvl 5 in basic learning is around 6-7 days of training, so x4 (per/wil/mem/int) it's 24-28 days of training, nearly one full month of Eve only to gain access to adv learnings. It'll take me a lot of training time to compensate for these 24 days of learning 5 training. IIRC, it takes around a year to make up for that training time. Getting the adv learnigns to 5 takes about 3 years. I might still be playing in 3 years but I'd rather be at a slight loss than have had to sppend 2 1/2 months on those last levels. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:28:00 - [75] Originally by: Naruto Jr I dont really give a ** about the SP, what I give something about, is that I lost my 14 days of hard work, to start over. I want my 14 days back of playtime! Its almost pointless to reply to you since you make the point yourself, yet you fail to recognize it: isnt this entire discussion all about the SP? Yet you state you dont give a about it. And exactly how did you lose your 14 days of well-played fun?? (STM perhaps?) --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!**
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:29:00 - [76] Edited by: Robert Ocean on 26/11/2006 17:32:33 Edited by: Robert Ocean on 26/11/2006 17:31:12 Edited by: Robert Ocean on 26/11/2006 17:30:18 Originally by: Sapphron Dei Edited by: Sapphron Dei on 26/11/2006 17:21:19 Edited by: Sapphron Dei on 26/11/2006 17:19:55 Originally by: Robert Ocean You sound like you're not spending half your moneybox in EVE like I do. And? Because I pay 3 times as much I dont have to argue about the upcoming changes? Wether you play 1 or 10 accounts the feeling remains the same for all of us. Some of us manage to see the bright side while others manage to see mostly downsides. The choice is yours. Originally by: Naruto jr Yeah very much so... Guess he doesnt get the point that he just spend 20$ on a game, to have fun, to learn, you have to start all over, and you got screwed over... Nice start for new players... Learn how CCP ass rapes your wallet... Who says you need to start over? that would be you. You had fun right? Whats your point again? Sapphron... I said more than once than there's really NOTHING to formally complain about. I paid of a service which offered certain features, (like starting with low SP). I KNEW, I paid, and I got what I paid for. It's more of a feeling than a real harm done. The way of enjoying and playing the game varies, as deep as EVE is, each player finds in it a completely different way to play from each other's. Mine is located above certain SP range, and I worked for it, while I could have reached it effort-free, and which is the most important, at no $ cost. Did CCP do anything wrong? Nope. It's just my fault not to enjoy all this skill leveling process. But, would it be ANY bad giving people a SP boost, since newbies, which actually are a part of this MMO community like any other, get a massive bonus? No it wouldn't. No newb would feel bad about it, Hell, they've got a better improvement, while paying the same we do!. And seriously, would you complain if you got that boost? You deserve it, as everyone else does. If it got implemented, everyone in this community would be happy with it. If you still don't like it. It's optional. Then people like me could enjoy the game a bit more with their personal playstyle, and would find than actually, the months they spent reaching this point, have been worth it.
Tractormech	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:33:00 - [77] Whichever way you may feel about it, there really is no reason CCP can't just put out a blanket 400-600K sp to all characters made before revelations. Solves the problem for everyone with no downfalls. Why they haven't commented on it I don't know.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:39:00 - [78] Some people, mostly older players with like 20+mill sp, are toally missing the point. I bet YOU would also be ****ed off if ccp granted every new char 20mill sp, wich would be the amount you have. AND I FRIGGIN BET YOU WOULDNT SAY "oh well i still have my 2 years of experience". So plz dont give us that crap. If ccp raises starting sp same amount of sp should go to ALL players. And thats that.
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:39:00 - [79] Originally by: Sapphron Dei Originally by: Naruto Jr I dont really give a ** about the SP, what I give something about, is that I lost my 14 days of hard work, to start over. I want my 14 days back of playtime! Its almost pointless to reply to you since you make the point yourself, yet you fail to recognize it: isnt this entire discussion all about the SP? Yet you state you dont give a ** about it. And exactly how did you lose your 14 days of well-played fun?? (STM perhaps?) Who said I had fun? I didnt have fun, there is no fun in characters with less then 6mill skillpoints, then the fun starts, with battleships, pvp, and other stuff, the time up to then, is just offline character, waiting for SP... And yes, it is a loss... you create an account, to find out it has 14 days less days on it... You use RL $$$ on it, therefor you should also have the same feactures as those who create a trial account on the 29 of november. How is it fair, that one has paid on the 25th of november to find out, they will have to remove the character, remake it... then paying the next 14 days, where others have it for free... This is a simple compensation to new accounts. Wouldnt be bad move from CCP to give all accounts paid from in november 1 month extra for free, since the system has changed and they need to start over. That is fair business, and would compensate for the changes in the game.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:46:00 - [80] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Some people, mostly older players with like 20+mill sp, are toally missing the point. I bet YOU would also be ****ed off if ccp granted every new char 20mill sp, wich would be the amount you have. AND I FRIGGIN BET YOU WOULDNT SAY "oh well i still have my 2 years of experience". So plz dont give us that crap. If ccp raises starting sp same amount of sp should go to ALL players. And thats that. for umpteenth time: A 2 year old player doesn't deserve more than me. He deserves exactly the same. he lost the first two months of skill training, so he should get no less no more skills than me.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.26 18:04:00 - [81] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Some people, mostly older players with like 20+mill sp, are toally missing the point. I bet YOU would also be ****ed off if ccp granted every new char 20mill sp, wich would be the amount you have. AND I FRIGGIN BET YOU WOULDNT SAY "oh well i still have my 2 years of experience". So plz dont give us that crap. If ccp raises starting sp same amount of sp should go to ALL players. And thats that. Well actually.... if CCP did that.. tbh I wouldn't even be that bothered.... problem is you don't get what EVE is really about..... I have 20+ million skill points... but nothing can replace the ingame experience I have, meeting people, understanding how the game truly works. If everybody was bumped up to my skillpoint level overnight.. I wouldnt be that bothered.. ofc it would be bad for the game if they did that.. but on a personal level it wouldn't bother me. You can have as many skillpoints as I have, but you won't have lived through what I have ingame. You can't buy that. When people complain about 800k sp here or there.. all it says to me is that you don't understand EVE... yet.
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.26 18:05:00 - [82] Edited by: Sapphron Dei on 26/11/2006 18:07:02 Originally by: Robert Ocean Sapphron... I said more than once than there's really NOTHING to formally complain about. I paid of a service which offered certain features, (like starting with low SP). I KNEW, I paid, and I got what I paid for. It's more of a feeling than a real harm done. The way of enjoying and playing the game varies, as deep as EVE is, each player finds in it a completely different way to play from each other's. Mine is located above certain SP range, and I worked for it, while I could have reached it effort-free, and which is the most important, at no $ cost. Did CCP do anything wrong? Nope. It's just my fault not to enjoy all this skill leveling process. I understand where you come from, and earlier in this thread I said I agree with you as far as your feelings go. All my further explanantion tries to point out is: CCP wont do anything to compensate things. It unfortunately is a waste of time to try and aks them for this, even though a little boost can be nice indeed. As for you Naruto Jr: this is my last time I reply to you. IF you REALLY had no fun up till now, what the hell are you doing here adding fuel to the fire? If you didnt enjoy EVE before Revelations, what makes you think you will enjoy it after the installation? With your approach the monthly fee is wasted in every scenario. --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.26 18:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Some people, mostly older players with like 20+mill sp, are toally missing the point. I bet YOU would also be ****ed off if ccp granted every new char 20mill sp, wich would be the amount you have. AND I FRIGGIN BET YOU WOULDNT SAY "oh well i still have my 2 years of experience". So plz dont give us that crap. If ccp raises starting sp same amount of sp should go to ALL players. And thats that. Well actually.... if CCP did that.. tbh I wouldn't even be that bothered.... problem is you don't get what EVE is really about..... I have 20+ million skill points... but nothing can replace the ingame experience I have, meeting people, understanding how the game truly works. If everybody was bumped up to my skillpoint level overnight.. I wouldnt be that bothered.. ofc it would be bad for the game if they did that.. but on a personal level it wouldn't bother me. You can have as many skillpoints as I have, but you won't have lived through what I have ingame. You can't buy that. When people complain about 800k sp here or there.. all it says to me is that you don't understand EVE... yet. Bah, I joined a very skilled pvp corp the first few days after i started eve. My char is young 2mill sp but i sure know enough about the game and pvp to be a major threat if someone gave me 20mill sp right now. Most ppl dont need 2 years of experience to be able to use all those skillpoints effectively. It all depends if youve tried to learn and adapt to the game or not. Some ppl do some dont. So its not true what youre saying. Most ppl outgrow their sp pretty fast so it is indeed important that ppl get compensated. If they gave everyone 20mill sp I can tell you that all pvp:ers older then 2-3 months will be almost at your threat level...
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:00:00 - [84] To explain why this isn't fair trade in financial approach. You go to a bank, they tell you, hey come get a pension account at us, you will get 100$(new character) on it to start with, and 400$(14 days) as a first time customer. 4 days later. The bank makes a new deal to new customers. They say, come get a pension at our place, you will get 800$(new character) on it to start with, and 400$(14 days) as a first time customer. Then people wonder, why the ones that only have 600$ on their pension account get ****ed off, when they get told, since your a customer of ours, we will make you able to get 800$ in all on your account. Wondering why new customers starts with 1200$... make it fair to all, make everyone the customers who has less then 1200$ on their account start with 1200$ not 800$, as the things are. Simple math, any monkey should be able to figure this out. Its not fair, it makes current customers agitated. Its bad business! Give us that have paid in november the first time bonus aswell, from the 29. of november.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:10:00 - [85] Originally by: Naruto Jr To explain why this isn't fair trade in financial approach. You go to a bank, they tell you, hey come get a pension account at us, you will get 100$(new character) on it to start with, and 400$(14 days) as a first time customer. 4 days later. The bank makes a new deal to new customers. They say, come get a pension at our place, you will get 800$(new character) on it to start with, and 400$(14 days) as a first time customer. Then people wonder, why the ones that only have 600$ on their pension account get ****ed off, when they get told, since your a customer of ours, we will make you able to get 800$ in all on your account. Wondering why new customers starts with 1200$... make it fair to all, make everyone the customers who has less then 1200$ on their account start with 1200$ not 800$, as the things are. Simple math, any monkey should be able to figure this out. Its not fair, it makes current customers agitated. Its bad business! Give us that have paid in november the first time bonus aswell, from the 29. of november. It's easy to equalize with real life examples, but they don't work in the same way. That's real life money, where EVE goods have no real value from CCP perspective. They can give and take as they wish. CCP has the choice to give these imaginary 700$ to the first bank customer, where the bank hasn't. If the bank did, both customers would be happy, but the bank can't because it loses money. If CCP did, both customers would be happy, and CCP can do it, because they don't lose a dollar. Do you get my point now?
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:13:00 - [86] Originally by: Naruto Jr rant. Your example given isnt rational nor applicable to this SP situation. Any monkey can figure that out. With your approach a organisation can never alter their program from the one they used from day one - which is nonsense. When a change is implemented, some people are bound to disagree. It is impossible to please everyone and its ridiculous to come with a comparison like this. There are good enough options to act upon these changes when Revelations is released, all are found in this here thread. Any monkey should be able to see that. --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:14:00 - [87] Originally by: Robert Ocean It's easy to equalize with real life examples, but they don't work in the same way. That's real life money, where EVE goods have no real value from CCP perspective. They can give and take as they wish. CCP has the choice to give these imaginary 700$ to the first bank customer, where the bank hasn't. If the bank did, both customers would be happy, but the bank can't because it loses money. If CCP did, both customers would be happy, and CCP can do it, because they don't lose a dollar. They can magically generate dollars in their virtual world, and bank can't. Do you get my point now? Well your wrong, its IS REAL LIFE MONEY, this is Days, time you pay for, with real $$$, They cant just give and take as they please, if they make new offers to new customers, they gotta at least make sure, that their resent customers, doesnt get but****** by them, to say it in a nicely way... CCP is screwing new people over bigtime!
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:18:00 - [88] Originally by: Naruto Jr Originally by: Robert Ocean It's easy to equalize with real life examples, but they don't work in the same way. That's real life money, where EVE goods have no real value from CCP perspective. They can give and take as they wish. CCP has the choice to give these imaginary 700$ to the first bank customer, where the bank hasn't. If the bank did, both customers would be happy, but the bank can't because it loses money. If CCP did, both customers would be happy, and CCP can do it, because they don't lose a dollar. They can magically generate dollars in their virtual world, and bank can't. Do you get my point now? Well your wrong, its IS REAL LIFE MONEY, this is Days, time you pay for, with real $$$, They cant just give and take as they please, if they make new offers to new customers, they gotta at least make sure, that their resent customers, doesnt get but****** by them, to say it in a nicely way... CCP is screwing new people over bigtime! Please, calm down, and read my last post again. You got it all the way wrong. I was talking metaphorically about skill points, not real life cash.
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:26:00 - [89] Dont worry, not annoyed with anyone then CCP. Just hate loosing RL money, on stupid changes. Should be fair to all, everyone should get something, and it wouldnt cost CPP a penny.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:36:00 - [90] Edited by: Nez Perces on 26/11/2006 19:37:26 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer If they gave everyone 20mill sp I can tell you that all pvp:ers older then 2-3 months will be almost at your threat level... Yeah and what I was saying is that I wouldn't mind a whole lot if people were at "my threat level"... thats not what I was referring to. I meant that you wouldn't have met the people I have met in my time playing the game and the experiences I have had with the player created content. Every player's experience is unique.. this is a MMOG where you train SP seperately from your ingame playing time, there is no SP grinding... and skillpoints are only part of the picture. But thats just my point of view.. I have taken time off EVE and never really taken proper care of my skill point training (implants etc..) and am probably up to 8 mil SP behind my peers who started at the same time I did. Skillpoints are great, but shouldn't be what determines wether you are having fun or not. Thats my point.
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:37:00 - [91] Originally by: Naruto Jr Dont worry, not annoyed with anyone then CCP. Just hate loosing RL money, on stupid changes. Should be fair to all, everyone should get something, and it wouldnt cost CPP a penny. It would, actually. CCP would need to create a small system in which players can freely distribute certain amounts of SP. Even tho this would be minor, time and money need be spent to accomplish such a program. Not only that, making sure only old players get it, not new ones and making sure this is exploit proff would only add to this amount of time/cash. --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Sswiftstrike	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:54:00 - [92] Edited by: Sswiftstrike on 26/11/2006 19:56:09 Someone said we can send isk between characters? How is this possible?
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.11.26 20:00:00 - [93] Wow. All I can say is that there are alot of people in this thread that need to just cancel their subscription. No debate. Nothing to talk about. Just cancel. Take up painting or something, anything else besides playing an MMO. Seriously. I'm not trying to flame or be confrontational or anything. That is just simple, honest advice. If you feel cheated by this change CCP is making, you will feel cheated again in the future by changes that will come that no one has even thought of yet. Especially the guy that brought up the "what if CCP gave away 20mil SP" thing. You just aren't getting it in the meta-sense of virtual worlds in general. Online games change. Nerfs and boosts come and go. It's inevitable. If you can't adapt and roll on and honestly continue enjoying yourself, then why in the world would you pay for something that by it's very nature is practically guaranteed to ** you off? And that's the heart of it. Not this stupid "give me my due SP thing". If CCP put it to a vote, of course I would select the Grant Me 500k SP choice. As would any other player posting here. But again, that's not the point. The point, the very core of this issue, is simply answering the following question as honestly as possible: Will you feel offended if CCP does not compensate you after making this change? Because if the answer is yes, I would highly advise you reevaluate how you spend your money for entertainment. And with that, I'm done with this topic. Robert Ocean, I think you are well intended by suggesting this. I just think you are wrong minded about the subject in a much more general sense. What's worse? Missing out on a couple months of training time, or spending 6 months to train up for some capital ship only to have it nerfed the day after your training completes? Because that could happen as well. And how will you react to that hypothetical scenario? Will your six months of game play have been for nothing? It really is worth some thoughtful consideration. Anyway, best of luck to you all. Originally by:** Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
Locarna Lustram	Posted - 2006.11.26 20:34:00 - [94] "And that's the heart of it. Not this stupid "give me my due SP thing". If CCP put it to a vote, of course I would select the Grant Me 500k SP choice." Well yeah, I suppose I would. Biology 5 and Fast Talk 5 would nicely round out my character sheet considering the background I thought up.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.26 20:40:00 - [95] Edited by: Robert Ocean on 26/11/2006 20:40:42 Originally by: Locarna Lustram Quote: And that's the heart of it. Not this stupid "give me my due SP thing". If CCP put it to a vote, of course I would select the Grant Me 500k SP choice. Well yeah, I suppose I would. Biology 5 and Fast Talk 5 would nicely round out my character sheet considering the background I thought up. That's it, everyone's happy. We deserve it the same than newbs do, right?
Sapphron Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.26 20:49:00 - [96] Originally by: Locarna Lustram "And that's the heart of it. Not this stupid "give me my due SP thing". If CCP put it to a vote, of course I would select the Grant Me 500k SP choice." Well yeah, I suppose I would. Biology 5 and Fast Talk 5 would nicely round out my character sheet considering the background I thought up. If it indeed were to be voted for, naturaly I would vote FOR. --Sapp Solid Ind.: AMPS - ADC supporters!
Leneerra Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:04:00 - [97] Is this not all kind of similar to when the new bloodlines were introduced? And this is just a short term advantage, nothing compared to the difference between the old and the new bloodlines. Personally I never saw rerolling as an option, then again I see this as an RP game primarely..
Hastur Dinak Amarr XxTiggerxX Corp	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:49:00 - [98] I don't know what is the maximum sp you get in a new char but few months ago when i made my first char i started with 640k SP. So now you ask for a 400-500k boost, ok why not....that would put me at 1M+ starting char (or equivalent). Ok now you can ask for 160k or less sp you miss but as stated by some others that's not the main point in EVE. IMO Roy Batty68 give you the best answer you could ever have, MMOG (EVE ?) may change in a way you won't like but it will change and change again and your only "right" (as far as CCP don't ask your opinion) is to like or leave.
Ecid Q'Wulf Galactic Fighter Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.26 22:32:00 - [99] okay, why not make it even to everyone and give everyone an extra 900k skillpoints ? Old Characters get it when loggin in the first time after kali, and new ones get em on Character creation. Makes it even for everyone and adds a lil bonus on top of it for the veterans, hell you could even call it "veteran reward" - oh never mind, thats from swg .... /Ecid
Zeonos Amarr venus divine brotherhood Dark Forces Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.26 22:49:00 - [100] Didnt read all posts. but here's my view on this. so they give newer players abit more skills to start of with. i think its great. so you can do some the first cuple of days. instead of training for it. and be bored. (i know i was)... and yes. some people will get hurt.. but come on.. we talking 500k sp or so.. i have 4.3mil atm. and my alt got 900. this alt is 25days old or less.. and do i complain? no.. if you want those skills so badly. why dont you wait then?.. and just play something els untill the new starter chars comes.. and now stop there threads plz, seen enugh.
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.26 23:01:00 - [101] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 26/11/2006 23:04:39 It's a marketing thing and not a game feature. I can understand that there are lots of impatient people freaking out when they start low skilled but on the other side those marketing based changes could ruin the nature of a RPG. EVE's skilling concept is nice. So I don't see any reason from a players POV just to change the start SP in fear not to get enough people. I am not an extreme gamer due reallife issues but after 8 months I am up to 9,3 Million SP and feel good and ISK rich. I never was bored in EVE a second. It's IMO wrong to claim now for 20 bucks. This is a strange childish behviour. You should claim for leaving the starter skills as they are actually. From CCP +probably marketing pov½ I don't see a clear reason to let people start with 800k skills. The impatient people anyway will leave EVE after a while because it's a game for bigger kids. And do we want the impatient whiners? No! But CCP ... and if they just jump in for 2 months because EVE is behind the final frontier a pure business. It's CCP's game and their descision. No reason on the other hand to get upset about such changes because in a few weeks we don't care. I had my low-skilled good times to get smooth into the game. Be honest. 800K is nothing and it's anyway a long, long way to meet the big clones in 0.0 with a little chance ... to tank and escape?! There's always a bigger fish. In EVE everytime, everywhere. I don't care. Long live CCP! Long live EVE! Presidente Gallente
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.26 23:05:00 - [102] In someway i agree with the OP. When i started 3.5 Years ago i had too start from scratch. I had too get too know the game and train for my char. I think giving new playes from the beginning 800K skilpoints is a bad thing. They won't feel whats its like too train up a char from scratch. Don't be a great man just be a man
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.26 23:33:00 - [103] For anyone who thinks they should just have 'free' sps to spend however they want. You need to realize that all SPs are not equal. 250k SPs in a charisma/willpower skill is more than 250k in a mem/int skill. How? Simple, it takes maybe a day longer to get those 250k sps that have a charisma primary req. I might get 1.4mil SPS in a month off of cha/wil skills, and 1.7mil sps a month from mem/int skills. So obviously, if i got free sps to spend where ever I wanted, I'd spend it on the charisma skills I want because it'd be much more effective. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.27 07:01:00 - [104] Well think we should get CCP to answer on this, nothing but flamers that replies, talking about their bull****.
Dao 2 Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.27 07:05:00 - [105] stop bashin him though ;p yes he has the experience but how can u not understand that he went through a lot ;p but read the new dev blog u will keep ur char and get that same 800k :D though i think all chars 800k sp and under should get 800k sp ADDED to them, not just till they reach 800k sp ;p would make it better for the ppl that have been playin for a month or so.... ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Naruto Jr	Posted - 2006.11.27 07:08:00 - [106] Yeah I noticed, got reply from GMs too, they will compensate, but info wont be released until revalation. So all is good, everyone is happy :)
Dao 2 Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.27 07:09:00 - [107] Originally by: Naruto Jr Yeah I noticed, got reply from GMs too, they will compensate, but info wont be released until revalation. So all is good, everyone is happy :) info was released in the most recent dev blog ;p so check it out! its very indepth (and longgggggggggggggg) ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Locarna Lustram	Posted - 2006.11.27 08:37:00 - [108] "That's it, everyone's happy. We deserve it the same than newbs do, right?" Did you feel something, a breeze that ruffled your hair...?
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.27 12:50:00 - [109] Originally by: Locarna Lustram "That's it, everyone's happy. We deserve it the same than newbs do, right?" Did you feel something, a breeze that ruffled your hair...? Just note than the word "newb" is not despective, it's just a perfectly correct term meaning "new players". "Noob" is the offensive word, so please seathe the sarcasm :P.
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:31:00 - [110] Your verdict is in. Read about it here in the Dev Blog. We compensate characters that have already been created (using the old system) and have less than 800.000 SP. Characters with more than that will not be affected. This will happen when the servers go down for the Revelations patch. Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:32:00 - [111] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Your verdict is in. Read about it here in the Dev Blog. We compensate characters that have already been created (using the old system) and have less than 800.000 SP. Characters with more than that will not be affected. This will happen when the servers go down for the Revelations patch. Pity my main has 900k SP.
Vladimir Ilych Hidden Industrial Group	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:01:00 - [112] Read first - whine at your own risk. 2.2- Operation: Revelations compensation The Mission: To compensate people that have less skill 800.000 skill points when we upgrade to the new character creation. Every character that has less than 800.000 SP will receive skills until he has more than 800.000 SP. Characters created a week before we patch will thus have the same amount of SP as new characters, or more. They will naturally also have the advantage over completely new characters of more ISK and of course experience. The upside of giving every character this treatment (including inactive characters sharing accounts with a ômainö character) is that everybody feels the love. Players that have been playing for a while will always have an advantage on freshly created characters, be it in ISK or simply in gaming experience. 2.2.1- How we will do this We have made a list of the primary skills of each school existing characters graduated from when they were created (Hedion University, Royal Imperial Institute, etc.). When we patch, we will go through them in order with each character and add skill levels to the skills listed in the order specified until the characters end up inside the 800-810.000 skill point range. There is some possibility that some old characters might go above that - It'll be like winning a lottery and we'll let it slide.
Locarna Lustram	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:31:00 - [113] Originally by: Robert Ocean Originally by: Locarna Lustram "That's it, everyone's happy. We deserve it the same than newbs do, right?" Did you feel something, a breeze that ruffled your hair...? Just note than the word "newb" is not despective, it's just a perfectly correct term meaning "new players". "Noob" is the offensive word, so please seathe the sarcasm :P. I was referring to the fact that Biology and Fast Talk are useless skills. The sarcasm will remain unsheathed.
Robert Ocean	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:32:00 - [114] Originally by: Locarna Lustram Originally by: Robert Ocean Originally by: Locarna Lustram "That's it, everyone's happy. We deserve it the same than newbs do, right?" Did you feel something, a breeze that ruffled your hair...? Just note than the word "newb" is not despective, it's just a perfectly correct term meaning "new players". "Noob" is the offensive word, so please seathe the sarcasm :P. I was referring to the fact that Biology and Fast Talk are useless skills. The sarcasm will remain unsheathed. Oh K K I really need to improve my english

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