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Gaogan Gallente Solar Storm Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.26 07:02:00 - [1] So... what is this? The sticky dev post is completely vague and locked. I spent several hours today on the test server flying around trying to get my scan probes to pick up something other than a ship with no luck. How do you find the hidden belts and plexes? What about gas clouds?
Rogue 1690 Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:00:00 - [2] Glad you asked that as I was about to do the same.. Would be nice to have a little more info about this..
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:40:00 - [3] I think lack of info is all part of the exploration system. After all, it is the unknown that we are looking for. Granted it sounds lame but its about as accurate as it gets. Until someone locates "X", as in real life, it's all myth. So be aware that you are chasing myths. Maybe CCP didn't put anything in. Up to us to find out... ... Protagonist must have an Antagonist. Otherwise he's just a guy playing with himself. Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D
Gaogan Gallente Solar Storm Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:32:00 - [4] Well I'm starting to get pretty ****ed off because I can't find jack squat. Can the exploration sites _only_ be found with the new racial specific probes or are they just for ships? Or just better at finding certain sites? What?
Dalekplunger Slick Caldari DPS Holding Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:43:00 - [5] I think the exploration sites are impossible to detect with regular ship-scanning probes like Snoop, Fathom, etc. You need the new racial probes and astrometrics V which not a lot of people have.
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.26 17:56:00 - [6] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=431586 Why they removed the 9-page exploration sticky but kept for example the 4-page "new regions" sticky is beyond me... No, you will not find exploration encounters with ship scanning probes. A shuttle has a "vulnerability" (sig/sensor strength) of 4.1. A BS has one of 20. The average exploration site has one of 0.1-0.2. A Snoop's sensor strength of 20 gives it a 0.03 sig strength at 1AU for a 0.2 vulnerability site, which translates into a 3% chance of finding it, or 33 scans on average.
KadaEl RONA Midgard Academy	Posted - 2006.11.26 18:28:00 - [7] ^ thank you so very much =) ------------------------------------------- KadaEl RONA Midgard Academy Teaching the world of tomorrow
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.26 18:48:00 - [8] I was actually considering using snoops in a recon launcher instead of pursuit probes for the initial scanning. 5 au vs 4 au range 20 vs 50 sensor strength (this implies that you don't know what sensor type the spot has) 30 sec vs 150 sec scan time So while is 60% less sensor strength the shorter scan time should make up for it. If it takes 10 scans with a pursuit those scans should take around 30 min to perform while the 25 scans needed with a snoop would only take 15min. The short flight type of the snoob may be a problem but even if you have to use 4-5 snoop per pursit it's still less cargo space and probably cost as well. Only real downside is the fact that you need to keep clicking a lot more, might end up with RSI or something if you keep doing it :) ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Dalekplunger Slick Caldari DPS Holding Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:27:00 - [9] Has anyone found any decryptors or pieces of data interfaces?
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:32:00 - [10] The problem with doing that is that to get a decent idea of the entire system you really need to have all possible spawn points covered or you're probably wasting your time. That means probably 3-5 probes in the average system, and if they time out after every couple of scans you're going to have to re-lay your probes every time they die, and obviously you lose lifetime while you're warping around dropping them. A compromise position would probably be to use racial probes for the sensor type you suspect you'll be looking for (of all the Guristas sites I've found thus far, only one hasn't been Gravimetric), and if you don't find anything within say half an hour, swap to snoops. The other problem, of course, is that if you fit a recon launcher you can't fit a scan probe launcher, which means going back to base to refit once you have your initial contact. If you're operating very near a refitting facility this might be feasible (say, in highsec, in/near a 0.0 station sector, or one with a friendly POS), but otherwise I think it'd end up being a false economy.

Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Joerd Toastius The other problem, of course, is that if you fit a recon launcher you can't fit a scan probe launcher, which means going back to base to refit once you have your initial contact. If you're operating very near a refitting facility this might be feasible (say, in highsec, in/near a 0.0 station sector, or one with a friendly POS), but otherwise I think it'd end up being a false economy. Actually what makes this idea so interesting is the fact that I never need to go back and refit. With skills the max scan deviation of a snoop probe is 100km which means that if I get a result it will always be in the same grid as the target. So the only thing I need to do is fill up the cargo with snoops and head out. Still there is A LOT of clicking to be done, might burn you out in a while :) ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Dutarro Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:17:00 - [12] Edited by: Dutarro on 26/11/2006 21:17:57 Call me a masochist, but I'm currently trying to find exploration sites with Observators. Yes, it has ridiculously low sensor strength of 1, but my (twisted?) logic is that, since it scans such a huge volume of space, the total chance of finding a site is reasonable. Actually, if exploration sites were distributed throughout space with uniform density, the Observator might have the best chance of finding something of any probe. Compare Observator and Snoop probes -- Observator has 1/20th the sensor strength of Snoop, but it also scans (1000 AU / 5 AU)^3 = 8,000,000 times as much space as Snoop. Also there may be sites so far from any other celestial object that Observator is the only thing that could possibly find them. EDIT: by the way, I've found absolutely no cosmic signatures yet, with Observators, Quests or anything else, so I'm not the best authority on exploration ------------------------ *opinions stated are not necessarily those of my corporation or alliance
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:17:00 - [13] ...***, forgot about that. Good catch. Might actually go and test that later, given that it's the only thing I can* test atm...
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:26:00 - [14] As I understand it, there's max one site per system, and it's always within 4au of a celestial. I think. If this is true, observators are about the least sensible idea ever ;) You're looking at 0.1% chance per scan or something
Dutarro Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Joerd Toastius As I understand it, there's max one site per system, and it's always within 4au of a celestial. I think. If this is true, observators are about the least sensible idea ever ;) You're looking at 0.1% chance per scan or something Aha, constraints on the exploration sites! I beg you kind sir, tell us where you found this information? .. must ... find ... sites .. ------------------------ *opinions stated are not necessarily those of my corporation or alliance
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:36:00 - [16] A combination of hearsay and experimentation. I've been told there's only one site per system, and I've found one site in every system I've checked so far using Quests, which only have a 4AU range. Actually, everything I've found has been between 1 and 3.5AU from my probe, although with inner-system scans the probe's not always at the nearest celestial.
Dutarro Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Joerd Toastius A combination of hearsay and experimentation. I've been told there's only one site per system, and I've found one site in every system I've checked so far using Quests, which only have a 4AU range. Actually, everything I've found has been between 1 and 3.5AU from my probe, although with inner-system scans the probe's not always at the nearest celestial. The info is much appreciated. Maybe all sites found so far are within 4AU because that's the Quest's range, but in any case I'd rather find something than nothing so I'll try that, thanks ------------------------ *opinions stated are not necessarily those of my corporation or alliance
Seramyr d'Elia	Posted - 2006.11.26 22:01:00 - [18] Anything actually interesting found? It may be my luck, but I've yet to ind anything worth the time and probe ISK investment that jutifies exploration instead of ratting or complex running.
Rogue 1690 Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.11.26 22:03:00 - [19] Thanks Joerd Toastius for posting the Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations. This is what I was looking for.. I know that the whole idea of exploration is to go out and explorer, but the above guide answered all my questions.. Cheers for that info
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.26 22:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Dutarro Originally by: Joerd Toastius A combination of hearsay and experimentation. I've been told there's only one site per system, and I've found one site in every system I've checked so far using Quests, which only have a 4AU range. Actually, everything I've found has been between 1 and 3.5AU from my probe, although with inner-system scans the probe's not always at the nearest celestial. The info is much appreciated. Maybe all sites found so far are within 4AU because that's the Quest's range, but in any case I'd rather find something than nothing so I'll try that, thanks It would make sense, certainly ;) Originally by: Seramyr d'Elia Anything actually interesting found? It may be my luck, but I've yet to ind anything worth the time and probe ISK investment that jutifies exploration instead of ratting or complex running. 2x Obscenely hard Guristas plex 1x Obscenely hard Guristas Archaeological Dig 1x Gas Clouds 1x Guristas Databank (hacking) 2x Rogue Drone facility 1x High-end roid field (ark and bistot, 20 or so of each) I think that's it so far

Helison Gallente Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.27 00:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Joerd Toastius As I understand it, there's max one site per system,... This is for sure not true, at least not for 0.0 COSMOS systems. In one system I found 3 exploration sites (1 gas cloud and 2 mining sites)
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.27 01:49:00 - [22] Is this before or after the last big set of changes, and consecutive or concurrent? I'm happy to be wrong about this
Dutarro Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.27 02:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Joerd Toastius ...I've found one site in every system I've checked so far using Quests, which only have a 4AU range.... What security status and region are the systems you're scanning, if I may ask? I've run 6 to 8 scans with each of the 4 racial Quest types, one located at each celestial body in the system, and so far no hits. The system is X-7OMU in Pure Blind, an NPC station system (Sisters of EVE) ... are there any notable differences between this system and the ones where you've found hidden sites? ------------------------ *opinions stated are not necessarily those of my corporation or alliance
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.27 12:04:00 - [24] I've been scanning in 0.0 systems in Tenal for the most part. Also, X70? You do know you've picked like the worst system in the game to test in, right? :P
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.27 12:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Rogue 1690 Thanks Joerd Toastius for posting the Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations. This is what I was looking for.. I know that the whole idea of exploration is to go out and explorer, but the above guide answered all my questions.. Cheers for that info Where? Please give me a link as I can't find it.
Helison Gallente Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Is this before or after the last big set of changes, and consecutive or concurrent? I'm happy to be wrong about this This was one or two days before the new mirror. And all three locations were active at the same time.


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