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Fedaykinn Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:11:00 - [1] OK last night The Blood Raiders Alliance Jumped into uor system lookin for us. Most of us were smart but some of us like me decided to stay in space and scan to see what ships they have. Was there for 20 mins and one of there ships found my safespot So They Uncloaked. I thought ok im insta algined so n/p, Then suddenly I was spammed with chat invitations from MDK members. And because the invitations kept on coming I couldnt even click no warp because these invitations kept overriding everything. Then I was scrambled about 10 secs later after they uncloaked I was scrambled. And yeh I was pretty much dead. Then they did it again as soon as my ship was destoyed hey guess what more spam invites for private chats. Trying to select warp but of course I cant becuase these invitations keep overidin everything and I cant even control anythin. I thuoght this was a very very crude and unfair tactic to pull on someone. I got all the evidence in the chat logs of who spammed me so im petitioning every single one of them. Of course if I had selected auto reject it wouldnt have happned but people convo me for recruitmant and all sorts. So I never turn auto reject on. And tbh I shudnt have to jsut so I cna gain control of my ship
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:13:00 - [2] i think that is exploiting under since they are intentionally causing you to lag click my sig
Fedaykinn Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:16:00 - [3] yeh exactly what I think and also you cant control your ship either because the chat ivnite is the top window so you have to click accept or whatever to close the window and gain control of your ship, and you cant because the spam invites keep on coming. I did have respect for MDK but now tbh ive lost all respect for them. After they pull a tactic like that when they got the upperhand alrdy
Intigo Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:17:00 - [4] That's frickin' weak. Poor play on their part (not very surprising though). -- Piewat! Low SP piracy Now with more stories and small clips!
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:18:00 - [5] speaking of respect, reminds me of the post in CAOD... but MDK have definitely gone down a notch in my book click my sig
Kahor Minmatar Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:28:00 - [6] Petition... ---------------- An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
lofty29 Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:30:00 - [7] Get the tosspots banned tbh --- Praxiteles Inc. is Recruiting!
Condemed Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:31:00 - [8] I agree its a copletley unfair tactic to use. And everyone who sues that tactic should be banned. Was it mroe than 1 person spamming you? because if it was then obviosuly the corp planned to spam you and tbh the entire corp should be punished for askin people to pull of a tactic like that
Fedaykinn Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:34:00 - [9] Edited by: Fedaykinn on 26/11/2006 11:36:00 Yeh it was 3 diff people who all spammed me from MDK. I think the enitre corp shud be punished some way for pulling off a tactic like that because they obviously planned it with 3 ppl from the same corp spamming me at the same time. And the players themselves should definaltey be banned Ive alrdy petitnoned it but I want everyone to know how low Murder Death Kill are willing to go to get a kill. And want everyones elses opinion on this tactic. And maybe even a MDK player to explain why the hell they have to go so low just so they can get a kill (altho I prob wont get that)
lofty29 Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:37:00 - [10] So they're too scared to fight even 2v1, so bring in 3 ships to blobbify you (lemme guess, you where jammed too?), and are still scared so feel the need to spam you with convos to remove any ability for you to fight back. Wow, new low --- Praxiteles Inc. is Recruiting!
Persecution	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:37:00 - [11] sad but i spoke to a GM about this when it happened to me many months ago...Its perfectly legal to send conversation invites from one person even in the middle of a battle..the last major eve tourney saw to that with bob spamming the ascn dude...all you can do it set your client not to accept conversation requests....
Fedaykinn Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Persecution sad but i spoke to a GM about this when it happened to me many months ago...Its perfectly legal to send conversation invites from one person even in the middle of a battle..the last major eve tourney saw to that with bob spamming the ascn dude...all you can do it set your client not to accept conversation requests.... Yeh but ive also heard some players have even got banned for this kind of tactic. And in the tourny you would expect them to turn auto reject on because no1 is gonna ask you for recruitmant while your in a tourny but I was just in a system scanning and sometimes when I have done this people do invite me for a convo or people on my buddy list. I shudnt have to turn auto reject on just so I can gain control of my ship Ther anoyin thing is I could have got away cus a claoked ship has to recalibrate their sensors before they can relock on to you and that gives me time to warp away (hopefully) but when they spam you lets face it you have no chance of warping or fighting back. Any chance that you did have fo survival has been removed And that to me is exploting and should either be punishable or at least get reimbursmant for the ship you lost which you could have warped away in if these spam invites hadnt occured
Nerdalus Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:00:00 - [13] Man that sucks and i agree there should be some way of getting them repremanded for this.
Aakron Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:07:00 - [14] that really sucks, I'd suggest autoreject but I too understand, as you rightly mention, its not very appropriate if you want to be able to receive recruitment/friends/gang invite chats etc. Perhaps there should be a shortcut for autoreject, or a button on the local chat panel so it is really easy to turn on and off? Hope you get your ship back. ---
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:15:00 - [15] They should get banned to hell and back. But yeah, autoreject ftw Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:25:00 - [16] Edited by: tiller on 26/11/2006 12:24:47 lowest of low... doing this to stop someone from warping is a exploit. The devs have confirmed this on many occasions. All respect gone for this corp now :( Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:32:00 - [17] Exploit, and mentally noted. Its times like this I'm tempted to turn on Auto-Reject .
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:48:00 - [18] It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Quani Gallente Extinction Level Event	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:13:00 - [19] MDK fails at EVE. ------ There is no sin except stupidity.
Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:17:00 - [20] A favorite goons tactic, sponsered by RA... If you can't beat um, cheat um' Trading 101
Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:20:00 - [21] One invite from one person is acceptable. Two or more constitutes as spam. I received a warning from a GM for an accidental reinvite after a lag spike. Your wallet is bugged that even idf you pay a charge it doesn't tell you the name of the person, so you don't even have anyway to tell. So you can potentially receive a warning when you have no way to tell if you have made a mistake. Also the GM's seem to have no template for these sort of incidents and it all depends on the individual GM, which means every case is treated differently. In the real world if you are treated differently from someone this is known as discrimination. Lanfear's Bane. _ _ _
dave1180	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:30:00 - [22] name and shame the individuals....maybe the ballbags can show themselves and give their weak excuses for such lame tactics?
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Also the GM's seem to have no template for these sort of incidents and it all depends on the individual GM, which means every case is treated differently. In the real world if you are treated differently from someone this is known as discrimination. Actually, that's not accurate. If it was "Minmatars get banned, everyone else is fine", that would be discrimination. What we have here is "Gee, uh, let me look in the GM book. Nothing? Well, I guess that's an exploit/OK". In real life, that's called incompetence Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Devils stalker	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:02:00 - [24] Originally by: dave1180 name and shame the individuals....maybe the ballbags can show themselves and give their weak excuses for such lame tactics? i agree put their name on the forums to destroy their reputation forever
Ju'Co Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Fedaykinn Ther anoyin thing is I could have got away cus a claoked ship has to recalibrate their sensors before they can relock on to you and that gives me time to warp away (hopefully) but when they spam you lets face it you have no chance of warping or fighting back. Any chance that you did have fo survival has been removed [/quote I have seen the fraps from that cloaked ship, and I personally know that pilot has cloaking 5/cov ops 5/sig analysis 5, he bumped you way out of alignment and instalocked you almost 1 second after he bumped/decloaked you. You were dead regardless of any convos if they occured, I can personally assure you of that. In the fraps the bump sent you almost straight down in alignmet as its like running into a giant secure when you run into a cloaked ship like that. Also...when I get chat invites I can simply leave them on my screen and ignore them and still play, I dunno if I have settings set differently, but I tried it just now with friends, and I can still warp while being chat spammed, I can not however play while being gang invite spammed... Anyway, im not involved with this so Im gonna stay out of laying blame as I have seen no logs, only the fraps from the cloaked ship. And from personal experience I know MDK is a very honorable group. They have killed my main in my fights where they were significantly out numbered and never resorted to any tactics like that. A question tho: Did you, or anyone from your corp ever use the CTRL-Q "game mechanic" thing to avoid getting killed by them, cause personally I could see using "Game Mechanics" to catch people who they know use "Game Mechanics" to avoid getting killed. I know I would personally chat spam the hell out of a frighter pilot I know who does that everytime I catch him jumping into low sec, if chat spamming him made him unable to abuse "game mechanics" and fly off in saftey I would do it too. Im sure everyone can agree the LOGOFFSKI tactic deffinatly pulls out the worst in the people who miss a kill cause of it, and they remember for the next time.
dave1180	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:17:00 - [26] from what i understand the spamming was to stop him warping after which it would stop as they had him scrammed....so he would be able to write in local wouldnt he??
Silverized Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:17:00 - [27] hehe, we¦r da ebil sploiters
Delicate Beauty Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:17:00 - [28] Originally by: lofty29 Get the tosspots banned tbh LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Lofty29, you posting in thread about possible game mechanics tactics!? OMG THE SKY IS FALLING, can anyone else feel the irony?
Flaming sambuka Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:20:00 - [29] Ive had it with people twisting game mechanics and using exploits, lost all respect for MDK now, unless they can come up with some proof this didnt happen. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services
Flaming sambuka Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Felix Tigris Originally by: Flaming sambuka Ive had it with people twisting game mechanics and using exploits, lost all respect for MDK now, unless they can come up with some proof this didnt happen. Tell me, how the **** are you supposed to prove something like that - its his word against theirs, and because of the fact that he came posting on the boards he already had all forum trolls with him and against MDK Logs from both sides could help clear it all up a bit. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services

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