Earning LP takes too long!!! I have (credit card to buy PLEX/nullbear alt farming isk) so let me buy renamed LP "vouchers" off market.

Redundant. Anything that can be purchased with LP can already be purchased on the market.

Redundant. Anything that can be purchased with LP can already be purchased on the market.

No to trading LPs they are called Loyalty for a reason.

Q: But LP are a reward for Loyalty! The idea is that only those loyal to the corporation can get their faction items.
A: LP is not a reward for loyalty. LP is a number with a name. If LP were a reward for loyalty your gameplay would change as the amount of LP you had earned went up. In other words, the more LP you earn the more benefits or bonuses you would unlock. You see the loyalty benefit you get comes in standings. Standings lower taxes, mineral refinery taxes, and if you get them high enough will give you faction ship BPCs. Standings are a reward for loyalty. LPs are not.

No to trading LPs they are called Loyalty for a reason.

Lore =! gameplay.
Loyalty in FW makes sense. Loyalty to some navies makes sense. But loyalty to Genolution corp? wat?

The biggest issue with LP is that it is a boring game mechanic that can be very easily improved upon. The easiest way to improve upon LP is to allow LPs to be affected by the free market. In other words: let the people set the price and exchange rate of the LPs. Let us buy, sell, trade, scam, and manipulate these items in a true Eve fashion.

Benefits:
Shares will increase the isk sink they already are in game.

Shares increase the amount of meaningful dynamic gameplay in Eve.

The players get to set the price of shares. We also get to set the exchange rate of shares. So no more CCP set "Trade 1 CONCORD LP for .8 of [Corp Name] LP."

Negatives:
None. Nothing but gains. (How lovely is that?)

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I shop at the same food store all the time. I have gotten to know the managers and employees and as a result I can make offers on different products because they know I am a loyal customer I will be back still and buy other products.
so yes there can be loyalty to a corporation

*Snip*

Loyalty Points are just a form of currency - they are company scrip. Just like coal companies used to pay coal miners, with the intent of keeping them dependent on the coal company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_scrip

The idea makes perfect sense from the point of view of the Corporations and from CCP as a developer. Accept that, and move on.

If LP becomes destructible, it will lead to inflation in the market for faction items. I'd rather see them stay cheap.

The ability to delete LP that you dont want. Ill admit it may be a little OCD but when I look at my LP for various corps there are some for places I may never do missions for again, either allow us to delete them or have something really cheap (for 1LP) in a store so we can get rid of them that way.

If you are are going to quote me you need to actually quote what I said. Not put words in my mouth because you are utterly incapable of arguing a point eloquently. Also, thank you for making it painfully clear that you didn't actually read anything beyond the title. If you had you would have realized that I have ground out tens of millions of LP and have hundreds of thousands of LP left in my wallet.

Despite you making yourself look completely and utterly foolish I will counter your point: Yes, you can buy most every item off the market. That doesn't mean that every play style likes buying the items off the market. Some people have no interest in grinding out missions to earn Shares. Market traders would rather have another avenue to market trade in. Heck they may even realize that at the price the shares are selling at will allow them to buy shares, exchange the shares for the item, and sell the item for a profit. The free market wins again! An industrialist who has no PvE skills would rather buy CONCORD Shares off the market, trade the shares in for meta capital module BPCs, and make and sell those modules. There are even mission runners who would rather sell the Shares than buy a bunch items, babysit the market orders, and finally buy what they need after the items sell. By changing LP into shares it allows people easier access to the parts of the game they want to play in, while eliminating a part they may have zero interest in.

Read this, it might help you not look like an idiot next time you get up on your soapbox.

Maybe you should read that definition and realize that you shouldn't attempt to pass off your paraphrasing as a quote from me. The easiest way to do that, I know this might be hard for you, is to not put it in quote tags with my name on it. After all, quote tags are called quote tags for a reason. Also in order to restate my ideas for your paraphrasing you shouldn't add in random words and ideas that were not present in the original. Like... Oh idk... pretty much all of your sad attempt at paraphrase. I am a nice guy so I will help you out: nowhere did I claim that earning LP took too long, nor that I wanted to PLEX or use a PvE alt to buy shares. In fact, if you did read my post, you would probably realize that I don't want to buy shares, but sell shares that have accumulated in my wallet.

Wow, dude, that's a lot of butthurt there. Maybe you shouldn't be posting at all if you're going to fly off in a rage that easily.

Look I get it. You are trying to shiptoast. Trying to be all trolling cool. Trying to get a reaction. You think it's fun and makes you look smart. Here is a tip from a pro to a noob: If you are going to use a definition to try and prove you are right you need to actually follow that definition. If you are going to paraphrase you actually need to paraphrase. If you are going to claim butthurt and rage there actually needs to be butthurt and rage. I was born and raised in the shiptoasting lands of FHC. You aren't getting a rise out of me. Frankly your attempts are boring and childish. If you really want to do this forum shiptoasting/trolling thing right you need to be able to argue and do it eloquently. I would advise you go read some of baltec1's work. He is master at what you are trying to do.

Look I get it. You are trying to shiptoast. Trying to be all trolling cool. Trying to get a reaction. You think it's fun and makes you look smart. Here is a tip from a pro to a noob: If you are going to use a definition to try and prove you are right you need to actually follow that definition. If you are going to paraphrase you actually need to paraphrase. If you are going to claim butthurt and rage there actually needs to be butthurt and rage. I was born and raised in the shiptoasting lands of FHC. You aren't getting a rise out of me. Frankly your attempts are boring and childish. If you really want to do this forum shiptoasting/trolling thing right you need to be able to argue and do it eloquently. I would advise you go read some of baltec1's work. He is master at what you are trying to do.

Back to the OP though.

Cautiously support this change, as it would nuke my own assets if it was implemented without other changes to give CONCORD vouchers something valuable inside the concord store and the ability to convert removed.

Aliventi's idea is god damb brilliant. Apart from increasing liquidity in the "LP" market, it also introduces significant gameplay opportunities for arbitrage and trading - a long neglected sector of the playerbase.

There are also some obvious game design 'easy wins' implicit in the principle, like driving group activity towards a common goal, allowing corp taxation of mission income and adding very large ticket items to the loyalty stores.