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Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Dianabolic on 27/11/2006 21:58:18 Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Shin Ra BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. Are you making this up, Shin? Because I've just re-re-read the rules and not a single mention of that. It was mentioned on the events thread, wonderboy. Gee, you'd have thought they'd compress all of that thread in to a RULES DOCUMENT, wouldn't you? Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:57:00 - [32] Edited by: Max Teranous on 27/11/2006 21:59:37 Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Shin Ra It was mentioned on the events thread, wonderboy. Is it in the rules? Linkage Nope. Max --------------------
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Noobaque stop complaining, just becuase your dampened does mean your done. adapt to it. sometimes a beter counter to a module doing something to you isnt fitting the module to counter it, but flying your ship correctly. you guys give up too easily LOL. k. Range of these mods = more than the size of the arena. Having sig suppression 5 though, I guess you're speaking from experience. Or, not? He is reffering to the fact that the match lasts 15 minutes and the maximum lock time when in range is 3 minutes. Thus you have a problem.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:58:00 - [34] Personally the event coming so soon after the patch is a good thing imo, lag will have calmed down by then, so its all about adapting to the changes quickly, not even that if you have been on the test server. The thing that made the first tournament so great was no one was expecting it and hardly had any time to prepare. I love it. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Daroh Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:00:00 - [35] First of all, i think CCP and we all must understand that champ is not a mirror of real pvp. Champ is something like a new game inside eve, with its own rules, tactics etc. It would be very sad if CCP start to fix EVE by looking at champ - that could cause huge disbalance in main game - EVE. (example:If ECM is so uber then why everyone dont fly only scorps etc? But allowing ECM in champ will cause damp/ecm fest.)
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:01:00 - [36] Perhaps once teams start dropping out of the tourney as some form of boycott then CCP might realize that LeMonde is not handling this tourney terribly well. Beyond that... I have no idea what would fix this mess. It's almost as if it's intentionally being turned into some tremendous monstrosity. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Daroh First of all, i think CCP and we all must understand that champ is not a mirror of real pvp. Champ is something like a new game inside eve, with its own rules, tactics etc. It would be very sad if CCP start to fix EVE by looking at champ - that could cause huge disbalance in main game - EVE. (example:If ECM is so uber then why everyone dont fly only scorps etc? But allowing ECM in champ will cause damp/ecm fest.) Everyone realises this. The winners will always ignore it, and the losers will always remind the winners of this fact.
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:02:00 - [38] Edited by: Helganstandt on 27/11/2006 22:03:04 For those that don't want to take the time to look it up, here's what LeMonde said on 11/18 Quote: 3. When the fight starts, an ECM burst will be fired that will break the lock of all contestants. After its fired you can start fighting. Link to thread and page Edit: Also, I don't think too many of us will drop out of the tourney, 1 billion isk may not be a lot to you guys, but that pretty much cleared out our alliance wallet to compete.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Omeega those who cannot adapt become victims of the evolution or something? roflceptors ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." Corp/Alliance Services
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Helganstandt For those that don't want to take the time to look it up, here's what LeMonde said on 11/18 Quote: 3. When the fight starts, an ECM burst will be fired that will break the lock of all contestants. After its fired you can start fighting. Link to thread and page And the final rules document posted a week later has not got this rule in. Max --------------------
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Helganstandt For those that don't want to take the time to look it up, here's what LeMonde said on 11/18 Quote: 3. When the fight starts, an ECM burst will be fired that will break the lock of all contestants. After its fired you can start fighting. Link to thread and page And the final rules document posted a week later has not got this rule in. Yeah, and there hasn't been any word from LeMonde on it since. Unless I missed it in that thread. I'm still waiting for clarification from him in that thread.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Helganstandt Edited by: Helganstandt on 27/11/2006 22:03:04 For those that don't want to take the time to look it up, here's what LeMonde said on 11/18 Quote: 3. When the fight starts, an ECM burst will be fired that will break the lock of all contestants. After its fired you can start fighting. Link to thread and page Edit: Also, I don't think too many of us will drop out of the tourney, 1 billion isk may not be a lot to you guys, but that pretty much cleared out our alliance wallet to compete. Lemonde says a lot of things, a lot of things which turn out not be remotely true. Therefore its much more sensible to rely on rules
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:08:00 - [43] Which is also why this tournament has such poor organization. For all we know the official rules could be wrong too, so I have no idea who to believe.
Daroh Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Omeega those who cannot adapt become victims of the evolution or something? j/k. ROFL ))))) Omeega u tha best )
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:10:00 - [45] Originally by: Omeega those who cannot adapt become victims of the evolution or something? j/k. You maketh me sad. Now, back the plex with you! Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:18:00 - [46] While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. ____________ The Priory Killboard
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:20:00 - [47] Bah its just a bit of fun and everyones in the same boat. All taking it far to seriously imo, how about they just cancel it and never organise another? CEO - Art of War
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:21:00 - [48] Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. Although I don't like to say GM's/DEV's/whatever's are incapable of doing thier jobs, I have to say that on this occasion I agree, show some backbone and stand up to the nasty BOB, don't let them beat you! [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:25:00 - [49] Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. What rules the ones given out or the ones that might be in there or it might be lemonde talking **** again
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. What rules the ones given out or the ones that might be in there or it might be lemonde talking **** again How about just enforcing the rules that have beeen enforced all the way through the tournament, the ones that are set in stone, that would be a start. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:28:00 - [51] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Sivona Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. What rules the ones given out or the ones that might be in there or it might be lemonde talking **** again How about just enforcing the rules that have beeen enforced all the way through the tournament, the ones that are set in stone, that would be a start. The set in stone ones that changed 2 days ago?
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Sivona Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. What rules the ones given out or the ones that might be in there or it might be lemonde talking **** again How about just enforcing the rules that have beeen enforced all the way through the tournament, the ones that are set in stone, that would be a start. The set in stone ones that changed 2 days ago? I was referring to the last tournament actually, when such a thing happened. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
d'Mortaigne Legion of Doom	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Omeega those who cannot adapt become victims of the evolution or something? j/k. Haha, that was actually very funny. --------------- It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:31:00 - [54] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Sivona Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. What rules the ones given out or the ones that might be in there or it might be lemonde talking **** again How about just enforcing the rules that have beeen enforced all the way through the tournament, the ones that are set in stone, that would be a start. The set in stone ones that changed 2 days ago? I was referring to the last tournament actually, when such a thing happened. Last tournament was good, a bit defensive but good, now its who gets EW superiority oh look now we sit and spend 5mins watching the other team die
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:34:00 - [55] Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 27/11/2006 22:34:27 Well not sure if you were watching the last tournament (jk) But I thought that is what pretty much happened, thank god they banned logistic drones, now only if they would ban pirate implants I would be a happy man. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:35:00 - [56] Originally by: Shin Ra If you guys have actually spent some time testing, you'll find some gaping weaknesses in your apparent strategy. I don't know why you are even considering using that specific gang mod. You will see that you ARE allowed to lock the enemy before hand. BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. This a is a subtle hint that you are allowed to use ship scanners to if you want to sacrifice a midslot. Sensor boosters will still be necessary if u wanna play that game, but I'll tell you right now if you come out the way I think you will, you are not qualifying. So aside from showing us that you really haven't read the rules, looking like your giving excuses should you loose and practically giving away you (albeit rubbish) strategy.... I forgot my point. Unless of course, you realise that there are better options than the one you mentioned and are trying to get people your fighting to counter your setup initially, while you come out with a much better setup and pwn them, thus getting a free victory in your first match. Oh the mind games.... Ah come on, don't be an ass. This is not about BoB or our strategy or anything of the sort. Someone had to bring the point up that the rules are still not clear, game mechanics are going through a significant change three days before the tournament starts, the game will likely as not still be unstable and therefore there are problems that CCP should at the very least post a position on. Just because it's Dian bringing the issues up doesn't mean they are not valid points. Blog
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:36:00 - [57] who cares tbh. If you don't like it go and make your own tourney instead of ***ing about something that people spend a lot of time organizing for your enjoyment. Just cause you wear the tag of BoB or MC doesn't mean your entitled to you know? Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:38:00 - [58] Man this thread is full of whinning!!!! Look the rules are set, stop complaining! The tournament is less than 4 days after the new patch... stop f*ing complaining. We are ALL in the same boat num nuts. Everyone has to adapt quickly, oh and there is this wonderful thing called a test server, where they have been running Revelations for about a month now.... and guess what!!!! There you can test set-ups so some of us have already adapted.... ooooooo. Common sense is not all that common. Whatever if you are ready or not is your own fault and not that of LeMonde. Everyone is on the same playing field... deal with it! WildCat
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:39:00 - [59] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Shin Ra If you guys have actually spent some time testing, you'll find some gaping weaknesses in your apparent strategy. I don't know why you are even considering using that specific gang mod. You will see that you ARE allowed to lock the enemy before hand. BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. This a is a subtle hint that you are allowed to use ship scanners to if you want to sacrifice a midslot. Sensor boosters will still be necessary if u wanna play that game, but I'll tell you right now if you come out the way I think you will, you are not qualifying. So aside from showing us that you really haven't read the rules, looking like your giving excuses should you loose and practically giving away you (albeit rubbish) strategy.... I forgot my point. Unless of course, you realise that there are better options than the one you mentioned and are trying to get people your fighting to counter your setup initially, while you come out with a much better setup and pwn them, thus getting a free victory in your first match. Oh the mind games.... Ah come on, don't be an ass. This is not about BoB or our strategy or anything of the sort. Someone had to bring the point up that the rules are still not clear, game mechanics are going through a significant change three days before the tournament starts, the game will likely as not still be unstable and therefore there are problems that CCP should at the very least post a position on. Just because it's Dian bringing the issues up doesn't mean they are not valid points. If Dianabolic really wanted to know, he could have emailed LeMonde without having to discuss his apparent strategy on the forums to be read by all. This actually makes me think it was a clever ploy to give mis-information out now, but I'm not sure dianabolic is that clever
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:41:00 - [60] GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. http://eve.klaki.net/

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