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Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:01:00 - [1] Over the first two weeks of December we will be seeing the Third Caldari Alliance championships. A display of the best EvE capsuleers have to offer, a showcase for those elite pilots from each alliance to draw from the experience of themselves and their wingmates to fight it out to either their own death, or victory. It SHOULD be a spectacle. It SHOULD be extravagent. It SHOULD have us all so excited at participating and watching that EvETV have no doubt spunked lots of cash on the bandwidth it's going to require. But there are issues with the way this tournament is being organised. First and foremost it comes less than 4 days after the biggest patch of the year, Revelations. This patch is not only completely changing the way gangs work but also changing the way modules work. One such module, The Information Warfare Link Electronic Superiority, is being boosted: Quote: ...now gives bonus to all EWAR modules' strength, including remote sensor dampener, tracking disruptor, target painter and ECM. This module, previously, only applied to ewar modules. Such a monumental shift in teh balance of the gang mods had us asking if we could swap one of our pilots. Surely, if the game is being changed up to this late stage then CCP would accept that tactics, strategies and team setups would also change. No. Our request has been denied. Apparently the tournament is too far gone and organised to allow a simple pilot switch. Good luck to all those pilots who, through luck or pre-information anyone with the information warfare skillset just got handed a trump card by CCP. In my last paragraph, I lied. I said that apparently the tournament is too far gone to allow such a simple change. Maybe so, but it is quite obviously NOT so far gone that, since the meeting to confirm the rules was held late last month, the rules have been changed to allow PRE-LOCKING OF YOUR OPPONENT. This is something that was absolutely banned in the previous two tournaments, for ** good reason, why has that reason now been completely discarded? Now you cannot choose a tactic of sensor boosters over remote sensor dampeners because the tactic of "fast lock" has been completely removed for us. So, the game and the modules have been changed, but we're banned from adapting to them. The whole concept of "pvp display" has been thrown out of the window with the pre-lock concept. The tournament is going to be a damp fest. This tournament should have been so much, the second was a vast improvement over the first in my opinion - the third is going to spell the end of the alliance tournament because all the pilots on many sides that I have spoken with (and I do not pretend to speak for everyone) have said that the format, the organisation and the summary decisions on such influential factors has completely remove any joy they might have had from participating in it. It has now become a chore. You've tried to reinvent the wheel, CCP, and you're coming up with something that doesn't even form an enclosed space. Start listening to us, please, don't allow pre-lock and allow us to ADAPT to the changes you're making to teh game, otherwise it's going to be RMR tactics on Revelations game sets. Way to showcase. Originally by:** CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Durvaul Caldari Knights Of Serenity Lacuna Viators Imperium	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:08:00 - [2] Edited by: Durvaul on 27/11/2006 21:08:17 1st what he said :D
Voltron Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:09:00 - [3] Pre-lock FTL, has the price of phased muons been affected much by this? Doubt it, but wouldnt surprise me if it had a wee bit. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:15:00 - [4] I agree tbh, its too close to revelations, remember the last patches? UBER LAG! Still, no stopping it now. ---
Shigsy Caldari Four Horsemen	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:20:00 - [5] As for the lag, I doubt it will be a factor. With the amount of GM's that will be hovering around, I think you guys will be getting a node to yourself for a 5v5 battle. I don't see much lag happening there. My own home made brand of BoB/ASCN sigs \o/
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Dianabolic The tournament is going to be a damp fest. This tournament should have been so much, the second was a vast improvement over the first in my opinion - the third is going to spell the end of the alliance tournament because all the pilots on many sides that I have spoken with (and I do not pretend to speak for everyone) have said that the format, the organisation and the summary decisions on such influential factors has completely remove any joy they might have had from participating in it. It has now become a chore. You've tried to reinvent the wheel, CCP, and you're coming up with something that doesn't even form an enclosed space. My pilots have spent weeks getting ready for this. It's gone from being something we were very excited about to generating almost a sense of apathy. As Diana said, this has now become a chore. The last tournament at least required a bit of thought and was indeed an improvement. Despite what some thought, it allowed for some very interesting tactics and combos. As it stands now, there are many unresolved questions with regard to drones not responding to agression, the EW module Diana mentioned and God only knows what changes might sneak in as a result of the "largest expansion in EVE history." As a side note, it has been stated as a solution to sensor dampening to use remote sensor boosters. As I am sure many can happily testify to, these modules stack against sensor boosters and so have no effect. There are some things I really like about this new Tournament like the points system but... The problem is this: the view of PvP represented in this tournament represents a very narrow understanding and representation of PVP. It leads to a set of rules which mirrors running around in a five man gank squad which does not incorporate any of other wide plethora of other pvp elements in the game. It could work as a five on five, but... Originally by: Dianabolic The tournament is going to be a damp fest. Pretty much. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
JINX HSC Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:21:00 - [7] Dian owns CCP - KLADDKAKA - Trig read the rulez m8!!!
Kaleeb Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:23:00 - [8] Some people may see this as a bob whine based on the fact your tactics have been blown out of the water and ccp wont change them to fit you, so beware the probable upcoming flammage As to your thread i`m no expert on the tourney other than helping a few of our team testing setups etc. Do you think ECM should be allowed at all? I agree that it will become a damp fest and its a shame that there seems to be alot of inflexibilty in ccp's way of running this tourney. Gl I guess, well not too much! Go MC!
Yual Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Yual on 27/11/2006 21:32:52 With out a pilot in the fleet commander position(with fleet command skill), the wing commander position(with the wing commander skill), and squad leader(with leadership which you would have), does anyone get any bonuses anyways??? With the changes to gangs in Kali w/out enough time to train someone to fleet commander level, will anyone be able to benefit from any of the gang bonuses period since you need to have an "active" commander above you to be able to recieve the bonuses from that commander? Probably a better question for the Kali discussion section but impossibble to test for me since all my characters on Sisi were given level 5 in all the gang skills. Edit for clarification: If your fleet commander doesnt have the fleet command skill does ANYONE get any bonuses? If you dont have an active fleet commander and active wing commander will anyone recieve bonuses? I'm heading to Sisi now to test some things ugh. This is a **up of major proportions CCP. Originally by:** W.W. Smith "Consistancy is a hallmark of a small mind." ASCII a stupid question, get a stupid ANSI
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:27:00 - [10] It's all a bit of a mess tbh. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:28:00 - [11] With the changes, a lachesis can lock down 2 targets to 23km even if they run 4 sensor booster II's, 6 sensor amps II's and have 10 remote sensor booster's attached to them. The lock time before gave people half a chance. Witht these last minute changes that ends. This is not PVP this is a who can click first competition and frankly no one can prove if someone starts at 1 second on the countdown with lag etc. This will turn into a glorified dampening gank fest, quite appropriate for Lemonde not very appropriate for the tournament as an advert to eve. This is not a reflection in our lack of adaptibility, we have spent the past month working on strategies to counter this, they just arn't there with pre-locking. This is a reflection of lack of knowledge about the game, i told Lemonde personally this and i will happily say it again.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Kaleeb Some people may see this as a bob whine based on the fact your tactics have been blown out of the water and ccp wont change them to fit you, so beware the probable upcoming flammage Aye, I almost expect it, Kaleeb, but in general I think this thread will be taken in the way it is meant, a constructive criticism to try and fix something before people switch channels. Originally by: Kaleeb As to your thread i`m no expert on the tourney other than helping a few of our team testing setups etc. Do you think ECM should be allowed at all? Absolutely not. No damps, tracking disruptors or ecm should be allowed and we voted against all of them when given the chance. Originally by: Kaleeb Gl I guess, well not too much! Go MC! heh, whether my main or my alt wins, I win :p Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Kaleeb Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:31:00 - [13] What are the odds on BE winning this yr? /me feels a bet coming....
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:33:00 - [14] Heh, on top of the whole damp thing, consider this too: What happens if the Kali deployment doesnt go along to plan? What if were forced to play with the current RMR rules, ships etc? What if Kali is deployed halfway through the tourny? It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Sivona With the changes, a lachesis can lock down 2 targets to 23km even if they run 4 sensor booster II's, 6 sensor amps II's and have 10 remote sensor booster's attached to them. The lock time before gave people half a chance. Witht these last minute changes that ends. This is not PVP this is a who can click first competition and frankly no one can prove if someone starts at 1 second on the countdown with lag etc. This will turn into a glorified dampening gank fest, quite appropriate for Lemonde not very appropriate for the tournament as an advert to eve. This is not a reflection in our lack of adaptibility, we have spent the past month working on strategies to counter this, they just arn't there with pre-locking. This is a reflection of lack of knowledge about the game, i told Lemonde personally this and i will happily say it again. Agreed, completely and utterly. The last tourney was pretty boring due to the amount of remote tanking and lack of pretty explosions but allowing certain types of ewar does NOT help, it simply changes the symptoms, the outcome remains the same.
Elendar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:35:00 - [16] press damp 1 second before enemy, win, yay? sounds like this is going to be one boring tourney Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:38:00 - [17] I still think it amusing that jammers are not allowed if I read that correctly. I mean if jammers are not over powered why not allow them? The whole thing smells of fubar, but then again so does the Kali patch to me, I think CCP needs more 'real' pvpers making the calls.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:42:00 - [18] If you guys have actually spent some time testing, you'll find some gaping weaknesses in your apparent strategy. I don't know why you are even considering using that specific gang mod. You will see that you ARE allowed to lock the enemy before hand. BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. This a is a subtle hint that you are allowed to use ship scanners to if you want to sacrifice a midslot. Sensor boosters will still be necessary if u wanna play that game, but I'll tell you right now if you come out the way I think you will, you are not qualifying. So aside from showing us that you really haven't read the rules, looking like your giving excuses should you loose and practically giving away you (albeit rubbish) strategy.... I forgot my point. Unless of course, you realise that there are better options than the one you mentioned and are trying to get people your fighting to counter your setup initially, while you come out with a much better setup and pwn them, thus getting a free victory in your first match. Oh the mind games....
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Shin Ra BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. Are you making this up, Shin? Because I've just re-re-read the rules and not a single mention of that. Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Noobaque Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:51:00 - [20] Edited by: Noobaque on 27/11/2006 21:53:27 Edited by: Noobaque on 27/11/2006 21:53:12 stop complaining, just becuase your dampened doesnt mean your done. adapt to it. sometimes a beter counter to a module doing something to you isnt fitting the module to counter it, but flying your ship correctly. you guys give up too easily edit:bad grammer
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Shin Ra You will see that you ARE allowed to lock the enemy before hand. BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. This a is a subtle hint that you are allowed to use ship scanners to if you want to sacrifice a midslot. The final rules have been provided. This rule was not included, like others, if its not in rules its not in the rules. How the **** are we really meant to plan for random last minute changes to the tournament and rules being applied which arn't in the rules
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:52:00 - [22] sounds like an interesting topic for Burn Eden ts come 0200 :)
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Noobaque stop complaining, just becuase your dampened does mean your done. adapt to it. sometimes a beter counter to a module doing something to you isnt fitting the module to counter it, but flying your ship correctly. you guys give up too easily LOL. k. Range of these mods = more than the size of the arena. Having sig suppression 5 though, I guess you're speaking from experience. Or, not? Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Shin Ra If you guys have actually spent some time testing, you'll find some gaping weaknesses in your apparent strategy. I don't know why you are even considering using that specific gang mod. We're not. Quote: This a is a subtle hint that you are allowed to use ship scanners to if you want to sacrifice a midslot. Yes, I know. Quote: Sensor boosters will still be necessary if u wanna play that game, but I'll tell you right now if you come out the way I think you will, you are not qualifying. So aside from showing us that you really haven't read the rules, looking like your giving excuses should you loose and practically giving away you (albeit rubbish) strategy.... I forgot my point. The seven man teams allow a team to come out with more than one strategy and I'd wager that many would be a bit surprised by what MC undocks for the first few matches. Shin, I realize where you are coming from, but the fact is that you have no idea what we're planning to do. We have about three or four ideas for dealing with just YOUR team, whom we honestly consider the most dangerous of the group. We're not noobs either, Shin. This isn't opinion. We're taking every match very seriously. In the course of that, we've done a lot of testing and the opinions myself and Sivona and others are expressing are based off of those tests. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Shin Ra BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. Are you making this up, Shin? Because I've just re-re-read the rules and not a single mention of that. It was mentioned on the events thread, wonderboy.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:53:00 - [26] those who cannot adapt become victims of the evolution or something? j/k. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Shin Ra BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. Are you making this up, Shin? Because I've just re-re-read the rules and not a single mention of that. It was mentioned on the events thread, wonderboy. Is it in the rules?
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Seleene The seven man teams allow a team to come out with more than one strategy and I'd wager that many would be a bit surprised by what MC undocks for the first few matches. Shin, I realize where you are coming from, but the fact is that you have no idea what we're planning to do. We have about three or four ideas for dealing with just YOUR team, whom we honestly consider the most dangerous of the group. We're not noobs either, Shin. This isn't opinion. We're taking every match very seriously. In the course of that, we've done a lot of testing and the opinions myself and Sivona and others are expressing are based off of those tests. Thats whats so great about it this year, its so open to different setups that nobody has any idea what to expect really.
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:56:00 - [29] I'm actually asking in the "rule discussion" sticky thread or whatever for an official response from CCP as to the "pre-lock" stuff. LeMonde said in that thread that an ECM burst breaking everyone's lock will be fired to signify the start of the match....which makes no sense as what's the point of locking beforehand then? But anyway, jury is still out on that one...I'm waiting for an official response. I do agree with most of what has been posted though. I still think it's going to be fun, but the ogranization is really bad in my opinion. The tournament should have happened a few weeks later so we could adapt to Kali a bit more than testing on a laggy test server, or a few weeks earlier so we could do it before kali.
Freada Gallente Mackinaw Industries	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:57:00 - [30] If we can even login and if they can keep the servers up long enough to have the tourny there is an alternative to force the changes or get more time. Just have everyone agree not to show up and force a reschedule. If past patches are any indication this is something CCP will end up having to do anyway.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Dianabolic on 27/11/2006 21:58:18 Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Shin Ra BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. Are you making this up, Shin? Because I've just re-re-read the rules and not a single mention of that. It was mentioned on the events thread, wonderboy. Gee, you'd have thought they'd compress all of that thread in to a RULES DOCUMENT, wouldn't you? Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:57:00 - [32] Edited by: Max Teranous on 27/11/2006 21:59:37 Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Shin Ra It was mentioned on the events thread, wonderboy. Is it in the rules? Linkage Nope. Max --------------------
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Noobaque stop complaining, just becuase your dampened does mean your done. adapt to it. sometimes a beter counter to a module doing something to you isnt fitting the module to counter it, but flying your ship correctly. you guys give up too easily LOL. k. Range of these mods = more than the size of the arena. Having sig suppression 5 though, I guess you're speaking from experience. Or, not? He is reffering to the fact that the match lasts 15 minutes and the maximum lock time when in range is 3 minutes. Thus you have a problem.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:58:00 - [34] Personally the event coming so soon after the patch is a good thing imo, lag will have calmed down by then, so its all about adapting to the changes quickly, not even that if you have been on the test server. The thing that made the first tournament so great was no one was expecting it and hardly had any time to prepare. I love it. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Daroh Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:00:00 - [35] First of all, i think CCP and we all must understand that champ is not a mirror of real pvp. Champ is something like a new game inside eve, with its own rules, tactics etc. It would be very sad if CCP start to fix EVE by looking at champ - that could cause huge disbalance in main game - EVE. (example:If ECM is so uber then why everyone dont fly only scorps etc? But allowing ECM in champ will cause damp/ecm fest.)
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:01:00 - [36] Perhaps once teams start dropping out of the tourney as some form of boycott then CCP might realize that LeMonde is not handling this tourney terribly well. Beyond that... I have no idea what would fix this mess. It's almost as if it's intentionally being turned into some tremendous monstrosity. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Daroh First of all, i think CCP and we all must understand that champ is not a mirror of real pvp. Champ is something like a new game inside eve, with its own rules, tactics etc. It would be very sad if CCP start to fix EVE by looking at champ - that could cause huge disbalance in main game - EVE. (example:If ECM is so uber then why everyone dont fly only scorps etc? But allowing ECM in champ will cause damp/ecm fest.) Everyone realises this. The winners will always ignore it, and the losers will always remind the winners of this fact.
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:02:00 - [38] Edited by: Helganstandt on 27/11/2006 22:03:04 For those that don't want to take the time to look it up, here's what LeMonde said on 11/18 Quote: 3. When the fight starts, an ECM burst will be fired that will break the lock of all contestants. After its fired you can start fighting. Link to thread and page Edit: Also, I don't think too many of us will drop out of the tourney, 1 billion isk may not be a lot to you guys, but that pretty much cleared out our alliance wallet to compete.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Omeega those who cannot adapt become victims of the evolution or something? roflceptors ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." Corp/Alliance Services
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Helganstandt For those that don't want to take the time to look it up, here's what LeMonde said on 11/18 Quote: 3. When the fight starts, an ECM burst will be fired that will break the lock of all contestants. After its fired you can start fighting. Link to thread and page And the final rules document posted a week later has not got this rule in. Max --------------------
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Helganstandt For those that don't want to take the time to look it up, here's what LeMonde said on 11/18 Quote: 3. When the fight starts, an ECM burst will be fired that will break the lock of all contestants. After its fired you can start fighting. Link to thread and page And the final rules document posted a week later has not got this rule in. Yeah, and there hasn't been any word from LeMonde on it since. Unless I missed it in that thread. I'm still waiting for clarification from him in that thread.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Helganstandt Edited by: Helganstandt on 27/11/2006 22:03:04 For those that don't want to take the time to look it up, here's what LeMonde said on 11/18 Quote: 3. When the fight starts, an ECM burst will be fired that will break the lock of all contestants. After its fired you can start fighting. Link to thread and page Edit: Also, I don't think too many of us will drop out of the tourney, 1 billion isk may not be a lot to you guys, but that pretty much cleared out our alliance wallet to compete. Lemonde says a lot of things, a lot of things which turn out not be remotely true. Therefore its much more sensible to rely on rules
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:08:00 - [43] Which is also why this tournament has such poor organization. For all we know the official rules could be wrong too, so I have no idea who to believe.
Daroh Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Omeega those who cannot adapt become victims of the evolution or something? j/k. ROFL ))))) Omeega u tha best )
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:10:00 - [45] Originally by: Omeega those who cannot adapt become victims of the evolution or something? j/k. You maketh me sad. Now, back the plex with you! Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:18:00 - [46] While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. ____________ The Priory Killboard
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:20:00 - [47] Bah its just a bit of fun and everyones in the same boat. All taking it far to seriously imo, how about they just cancel it and never organise another? CEO - Art of War
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:21:00 - [48] Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. Although I don't like to say GM's/DEV's/whatever's are incapable of doing thier jobs, I have to say that on this occasion I agree, show some backbone and stand up to the nasty BOB, don't let them beat you! [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:25:00 - [49] Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. What rules the ones given out or the ones that might be in there or it might be lemonde talking **** again
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. What rules the ones given out or the ones that might be in there or it might be lemonde talking **** again How about just enforcing the rules that have beeen enforced all the way through the tournament, the ones that are set in stone, that would be a start. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:28:00 - [51] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Sivona Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. What rules the ones given out or the ones that might be in there or it might be lemonde talking **** again How about just enforcing the rules that have beeen enforced all the way through the tournament, the ones that are set in stone, that would be a start. The set in stone ones that changed 2 days ago?
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Sivona Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. What rules the ones given out or the ones that might be in there or it might be lemonde talking **** again How about just enforcing the rules that have beeen enforced all the way through the tournament, the ones that are set in stone, that would be a start. The set in stone ones that changed 2 days ago? I was referring to the last tournament actually, when such a thing happened. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
d'Mortaigne Legion of Doom	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Omeega those who cannot adapt become victims of the evolution or something? j/k. Haha, that was actually very funny. --------------- It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:31:00 - [54] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Sivona Originally by: maGz While I see your point and understand your arguments, I do hope LeMonde shows some backbone (for once) and keep the rules as is. However, as I've said before, especially this third alliance has been nothing else but a joke so far and I sincerely hope a new GM/DEV/whatever gets assigned to handling alliance tournaments as LeMonde has proven highly uncapable of handling such events. What rules the ones given out or the ones that might be in there or it might be lemonde talking **** again How about just enforcing the rules that have beeen enforced all the way through the tournament, the ones that are set in stone, that would be a start. The set in stone ones that changed 2 days ago? I was referring to the last tournament actually, when such a thing happened. Last tournament was good, a bit defensive but good, now its who gets EW superiority oh look now we sit and spend 5mins watching the other team die
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:34:00 - [55] Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 27/11/2006 22:34:27 Well not sure if you were watching the last tournament (jk) But I thought that is what pretty much happened, thank god they banned logistic drones, now only if they would ban pirate implants I would be a happy man. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:35:00 - [56] Originally by: Shin Ra If you guys have actually spent some time testing, you'll find some gaping weaknesses in your apparent strategy. I don't know why you are even considering using that specific gang mod. You will see that you ARE allowed to lock the enemy before hand. BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. This a is a subtle hint that you are allowed to use ship scanners to if you want to sacrifice a midslot. Sensor boosters will still be necessary if u wanna play that game, but I'll tell you right now if you come out the way I think you will, you are not qualifying. So aside from showing us that you really haven't read the rules, looking like your giving excuses should you loose and practically giving away you (albeit rubbish) strategy.... I forgot my point. Unless of course, you realise that there are better options than the one you mentioned and are trying to get people your fighting to counter your setup initially, while you come out with a much better setup and pwn them, thus getting a free victory in your first match. Oh the mind games.... Ah come on, don't be an ass. This is not about BoB or our strategy or anything of the sort. Someone had to bring the point up that the rules are still not clear, game mechanics are going through a significant change three days before the tournament starts, the game will likely as not still be unstable and therefore there are problems that CCP should at the very least post a position on. Just because it's Dian bringing the issues up doesn't mean they are not valid points. Blog
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:36:00 - [57] who cares tbh. If you don't like it go and make your own tourney instead of ***ing about something that people spend a lot of time organizing for your enjoyment. Just cause you wear the tag of BoB or MC doesn't mean your entitled to you know? Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:38:00 - [58] Man this thread is full of whinning!!!! Look the rules are set, stop complaining! The tournament is less than 4 days after the new patch... stop f*ing complaining. We are ALL in the same boat num nuts. Everyone has to adapt quickly, oh and there is this wonderful thing called a test server, where they have been running Revelations for about a month now.... and guess what!!!! There you can test set-ups so some of us have already adapted.... ooooooo. Common sense is not all that common. Whatever if you are ready or not is your own fault and not that of LeMonde. Everyone is on the same playing field... deal with it! WildCat
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:39:00 - [59] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Shin Ra If you guys have actually spent some time testing, you'll find some gaping weaknesses in your apparent strategy. I don't know why you are even considering using that specific gang mod. You will see that you ARE allowed to lock the enemy before hand. BUT, an ECM burst will be fired at the start, breaking all lock. This a is a subtle hint that you are allowed to use ship scanners to if you want to sacrifice a midslot. Sensor boosters will still be necessary if u wanna play that game, but I'll tell you right now if you come out the way I think you will, you are not qualifying. So aside from showing us that you really haven't read the rules, looking like your giving excuses should you loose and practically giving away you (albeit rubbish) strategy.... I forgot my point. Unless of course, you realise that there are better options than the one you mentioned and are trying to get people your fighting to counter your setup initially, while you come out with a much better setup and pwn them, thus getting a free victory in your first match. Oh the mind games.... Ah come on, don't be an ass. This is not about BoB or our strategy or anything of the sort. Someone had to bring the point up that the rules are still not clear, game mechanics are going through a significant change three days before the tournament starts, the game will likely as not still be unstable and therefore there are problems that CCP should at the very least post a position on. Just because it's Dian bringing the issues up doesn't mean they are not valid points. If Dianabolic really wanted to know, he could have emailed LeMonde without having to discuss his apparent strategy on the forums to be read by all. This actually makes me think it was a clever ploy to give mis-information out now, but I'm not sure dianabolic is that clever
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:41:00 - [60] GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. http://eve.klaki.net/
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:41:00 - [61] Moan moan moan, The only thing to complain about is that there are soo many rulles in this tourney. Fact is that if the arena had been say 300km allowed you to warp, and use every module in game, then we would be talking real pvp. Which would mean all of you just might as well forfeit, cause we all know who would win that contest hands down. Hell we could probably do it with 1 pilot on our team versus your 5, kinda like real eve. For now we have to deal with too many restrictions to get any one to really be upset. And everyone has a good chance of winning.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:44:00 - [62] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. You're a funny man, Tyrrax, got an all winning all beating setup for us to beat with half our team again this year? Yeah, didn't think so. The rules pdf is exactly that to prevent the kind of misconceptions and confusions that I'm trying to highlight. Don't let your dissappointment get in the way of contributing constructively to this thread though Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:44:00 - [63] Those who cannot adapt become victims of...CCP? Nah, just kidding guys, but in all serous here. Ok, it might be a mess. Ok, it might be a bit unfair. Ok, but can you still provide us with a fun tourney? Addressing the BEST that the game alliances have to offer, im more then sure that you guys, of all people, will be able to adapt and fight. Give them hell :) Oh, and 1 point. At the very least, playing with unexpected setups from last minute changes from Kali should make things...fun if nothing else ;) Do we get to see Snowballs again MC? Red Storm Vendetta is now recruiting! Click me for more info
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:47:00 - [64] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. So we should expect crystal sets to become hp bonus right? because everything lemonde says is right and set in stone?
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:50:00 - [65] Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 27/11/2006 22:54:13 I have a whine. I will type it in caps as well because that seems to be the trend rigth now. BAN TEH EBIL PIRATE IMPLANTS!!1111 and ban them for the reasons dian mention: "It SHOULD be a spectacle. It SHOULD be extravagent. It SHOULD have us all so excited at participating and watching that EvETV have no doubt spunked lots of cash on the bandwidth it's going to require." I feel so much better now. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
ASIV TRE Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:51:00 - [66] Good job they removed maintenance drones or Tyrrax would be using them on the people hes meant to be shooting
dailyhazard Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:51:00 - [67] Edited by: dailyhazard on 27/11/2006 22:51:39 yawn its not like its just you who didnt know. Its not like its just you who cant swap pilots. Adapt, quickly, seems the other teams who havent posted have. Im sure this will show "true tactics" and gang warfare, as its a shorter timeframe in which to get ready. 1-2 months is too long
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:54:00 - [68] Diana, didnt everyone know that it would prolly be in kali ? Just wanted to point out that the kali date was always 28th nov as far as i know. And also why would teir3 bs and teir 2 bc have been on the point for ships sheet from the start if they were not sup to be in the tourney ? Not sure if they said it would be in kali at any point but ive tought it would be in kali the whole time :/
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:58:00 - [69] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 27/11/2006 22:59:13 Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. So we should expect crystal sets to become hp bonus right? because everything lemonde says is right and set in stone? Which part of do your research before whining didn't you understand ? Originally by: Dianabolic You're a funny man, Tyrrax, got an all winning all beating setup for us to beat with half our team again this year? Yes, I will crush half your team with my all winning all beating setup ! http://eve.klaki.net/
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:01:00 - [70] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 27/11/2006 22:59:13 Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. So we should expect crystal sets to become hp bonus right? because everything lemonde says is right and set in stone? Which part of do your research before whining didn't you understand ? Originally by: Dianabolic You're a funny man, Tyrrax, got an all winning all beating setup for us to beat with half our team again this year? Yes, I will crush half your team with my all winning all beating setup ! LOL Tyrrax <3
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:01:00 - [71] Originally by: Heinky Diana, didnt everyone know that it would prolly be in kali ? Just wanted to point out that the kali date was always 28th nov as far as i know. And also why would teir3 bs and teir 2 bc have been on the point for ships sheet from the start if they were not sup to be in the tourney ? Not sure if they said it would be in kali at any point but ive tought it would be in kali the whole time :/ Yep yep, we planned for using Kali mods and tactics etc, but the mod I mentioned, specifically, was only boosted within the last two days :/ So yes, you're right - of course as is the way of things until Revelations is actually deployed we still don't know how it's going to work, just how they SAY it's going to work (and that is gonna keep changing all the way to deployment, I'm sure). Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Admentus Cor'vion Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:04:00 - [72] Dian, Completely agree, changing the rules of the actual universe in which the game is being played inevitably changes how the tournament plays. Although yet again I'd bet my money on you, I think it does lead the possibility for an upset due to someone forseeing such changes and then gearing the gang to work to which the game will soon promote. Haven't read the whole thread but wanted to respond before it got 15 pages long. Then again you could always look at it like a reality show, where lets say all the cooks from team A and team B are told to prepare a pot roast dinner, but then 5 minutes before the challenge starts, they're told they can't use potroasts. ^_^ It's the drama, and i'm guessing CCP likes drama cause it spurs activity, like reality tv show ratings. _______________________________________________ Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve. "The end and the beginning."
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:04:00 - [73] Kinda happy we didnt waste a bill to make an ally to enter now ^^, nevermind the extra $$ for faction ships and implants Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:05:00 - [74] Have the perfect answer to all these problems, posted it last page but it seems to have been overlooked. CCP just cancel the event and never do another one, ever, there that instantly makes everyone happy, right? CEO - Art of War
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:09:00 - [75] Edited by: Heinky on 27/11/2006 23:10:50 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Heinky Diana, didnt everyone know that it would prolly be in kali ? Just wanted to point out that the kali date was always 28th nov as far as i know. And also why would teir3 bs and teir 2 bc have been on the point for ships sheet from the start if they were not sup to be in the tourney ? Not sure if they said it would be in kali at any point but ive tought it would be in kali the whole time :/ Yep yep, we planned for using Kali mods and tactics etc, but the mod I mentioned, specifically, was only boosted within the last two days :/ So yes, you're right - of course as is the way of things until Revelations is actually deployed we still don't know how it's going to work, just how they SAY it's going to work (and that is gonna keep changing all the way to deployment, I'm sure). kk fair enuff, didnt know about the mod beeing changed only 2 days ago, thats not a good thing. In the first place they should have never had the tourney so close to patch. Im not sure how much use the module will be, after going over many setups for this tourney myself, but if they are changing mods so close to release with most people having their setups rdy and pilots selected already is not really exeptable. soo humm i guess i agree with u after all......
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:16:00 - [76] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. So we should expect crystal sets to become hp bonus right? because everything lemonde says is right and set in stone? I love that one - pirate implants were allowed in with the promise from LeMonde that crystals would be looked at for Kali. No change for crystals, no change in rules... Nice one LeMonde ____________ The Priory Killboard
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:19:00 - [77] Originally by: maGz Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. So we should expect crystal sets to become hp bonus right? because everything lemonde says is right and set in stone? I love that one - pirate implants were allowed in with the promise from LeMonde that crystals would be looked at for Kali. No change for crystals, no change in rules... Nice one LeMonde It would completely break the game - i knocked up a vulture based on those changes with 80% resists accross the board, 37k shields and a passive recharge which could tank over 500dps
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:20:00 - [78] Edited by: Tovarishch on 27/11/2006 23:24:25 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. Perhaps the winners of the tourney would be willing to donate some iskies toward improving Tyrrax's reading and writing skills... since it's apparent that his job as a juggling wench at the Renaissance Fair is not bringing in enough to cover the costs. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:22:00 - [79] Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 27/11/2006 22:51:39 yawn its not like its just you who didnt know. Its not like its just you who cant swap pilots. Adapt, quickly, seems the other teams who havent posted have. Im sure this will show "true tactics" and gang warfare, as its a shorter timeframe in which to get ready. 1-2 months is too long did you even read his post? If so you would of noticed the request to switch pilots was denied. I mean seriously ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:22:00 - [80] Originally by: Nebuli Have the perfect answer to all these problems, posted it last page but it seems to have been overlooked. CCP just cancel the event and never do another one, ever, there that instantly makes everyone happy, right? That or they could delay it by two weeks... theres no need to go all drama queen... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:26:00 - [81] Originally by: ponieus Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 27/11/2006 22:51:39 yawn its not like its just you who didnt know. Its not like its just you who cant swap pilots. Adapt, quickly, seems the other teams who havent posted have. Im sure this will show "true tactics" and gang warfare, as its a shorter timeframe in which to get ready. 1-2 months is too long did you even read his post? If so you would of noticed the request to switch pilots was denied. I mean seriously Seriously, everyone else is in the same boat which makes it equal. PVP is never about fair.
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:26:00 - [82] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: maGz Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. So we should expect crystal sets to become hp bonus right? because everything lemonde says is right and set in stone? I love that one - pirate implants were allowed in with the promise from LeMonde that crystals would be looked at for Kali. No change for crystals, no change in rules... Nice one LeMonde It would completely break the game - i knocked up a vulture based on those changes with 80% resists accross the board, 37k shields and a passive recharge which could tank over 500dps I agree. The proposed change for the crystals was dumb and not thought through. However when it became clear that no change was going to be made on the crystals, LeMonde should have taken affair and banned pirate implants from the tournament (hell the guy blatently admitted that crystals was overpowered for this kind of tournament, and used the proposed changes to crystals as an excuse to keep pirate implants in the tournament). ____________ The Priory Killboard
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:27:00 - [83] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: ponieus Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 27/11/2006 22:51:39 yawn its not like its just you who didnt know. Its not like its just you who cant swap pilots. Adapt, quickly, seems the other teams who havent posted have. Im sure this will show "true tactics" and gang warfare, as its a shorter timeframe in which to get ready. 1-2 months is too long did you even read his post? If so you would of noticed the request to switch pilots was denied. I mean seriously Seriously, everyone else is in the same boat which makes it equal. PVP is never about fair. Earth to McFly. Tournaments are about providing a level playing field. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:28:00 - [84] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: ponieus Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 27/11/2006 22:51:39 yawn its not like its just you who didnt know. Its not like its just you who cant swap pilots. Adapt, quickly, seems the other teams who havent posted have. Im sure this will show "true tactics" and gang warfare, as its a shorter timeframe in which to get ready. 1-2 months is too long did you even read his post? If so you would of noticed the request to switch pilots was denied. I mean seriously Seriously, everyone else is in the same boat which makes it equal. PVP is never about fair. Says the man with signal suppresion 5
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:30:00 - [85] Originally by: Tovarishch Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: ponieus Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 27/11/2006 22:51:39 yawn its not like its just you who didnt know. Its not like its just you who cant swap pilots. Adapt, quickly, seems the other teams who havent posted have. Im sure this will show "true tactics" and gang warfare, as its a shorter timeframe in which to get ready. 1-2 months is too long did you even read his post? If so you would of noticed the request to switch pilots was denied. I mean seriously Seriously, everyone else is in the same boat which makes it equal. PVP is never about fair. Earth to McFly. Tournaments are about providing a level playing field. Then ban Pirate implants. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:30:00 - [86] Originally by: Tovarishch Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: ponieus Originally by: dailyhazard Edited by: dailyhazard on 27/11/2006 22:51:39 yawn its not like its just you who didnt know. Its not like its just you who cant swap pilots. Adapt, quickly, seems the other teams who havent posted have. Im sure this will show "true tactics" and gang warfare, as its a shorter timeframe in which to get ready. 1-2 months is too long did you even read his post? If so you would of noticed the request to switch pilots was denied. I mean seriously Seriously, everyone else is in the same boat which makes it equal. PVP is never about fair. Earth to McFly. Tournaments are about providing a level playing field. If you think that the alliance tourney is a level playing field i would love some of the drugs you're taking cause they sure put you into a fantastic place. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:34:00 - [87] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Then ban Pirate implants. Everyone in their right mind thinks they should be banned... myself included. A tournament is supposed to be a framework, a set of rules, that provide as fair a playing field as possible... so that the skills of those competing will stand in clearer relief. LeMonde does not seem to realize this fact. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Effective Overseer Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:35:00 - [88] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk GG ignorance Diana. BUHU IT'S NOT IN THE PDF DOCUMENT THEREFOR IT DOESN'T EXIST. Maybe next time do a little research before coming here to whine. My, oh my. Somebody still a little hung over from their failures in last tourney? Looks to me like he's done his research, which prompted his post to begin with, I'd imagine. Now dry the tears, login on tourney day, and give it another go. It's okay. /Pats Tyrrax on the back.
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:52:00 - [89] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Then ban Pirate implants. Yeah, if you're looking to make the tourney as "fair" as it can be, the pirate implants should go, just like faction modules aren't allowed.
fugazii Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:57:00 - [90] so why not show your **ed, and have everyone not show up as a big sign of "** you ccp" and instead organize a player run event instead? you show up, you prove you dont care, that your willing to bend over and take it. so diana, will you be there? cuz if you are, why bother making a post.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.28 01:35:00 - [91] Holy crap, if this thread had been posted by anyone but BoB would we have seen as much flaming? Dian makes some good points, we're not whining about anything just pointing out some issues and yes of course everyone suffers the same but why does it hurt to raise them? Blog
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.28 01:37:00 - [92] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Nebuli Have the perfect answer to all these problems, posted it last page but it seems to have been overlooked. CCP just cancel the event and never do another one, ever, there that instantly makes everyone happy, right? That or they could delay it by two weeks... theres no need to go all drama queen... Yeah they can get all the people involved that have booked plane tickets, made hotel reservations, took time off work etc etc to just put it off for a couple of weeks, yeah NP Seriously if you dont like it dont enter and do your own bloody tourney. CEO - Art of War
Oceana Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.28 01:39:00 - [93] There's a difference between the RULES and the PROCEDURE. The rules are in the PDF document and they govern what teams can do. The process is what the event organizers will do. They will check with the teams in an ingame channel. You need to be ready half an hour ahead to check in there. They will port you to the event location. They will ship scan you to make sure you are legal. They will fire an ECM burst to start the match. Etc etc.

Serathu Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.29 04:19:00 - [94] Since there is already a sticky in the Events forum about the championships and this thread doesn't come under the banner of CAOD, I'm locking this. \| Forum Rules \| CAOD Rules \| CRC Website \| [email protected] \|


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