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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.29 08:18:00 -
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Please tell me it rocks and that it isn't going to be as god awful as it looks to me... someone?
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 08:25:00 -
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I'll translate a swedish proverb for you (although it'll lose it's rhythm and rhyme):
Taste is like the behind - divided. (Smaken Sr som baken - delad)
It's not too awesome, it's not ****e. The Hyperion offers nothing new over the Megathron, it's only a bit different. It's tanking bonus doesn't shine, it's increased turrets comes at the price of decreased drones and decreased nosferatu options (which are vital in this patch).
It really, really, suffer from that it's not the only blaster ship of it's class.
So, to sum it up: Megathron or Hyperion - it doesn't matter too much which you chose.
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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.11.29 08:29:00 -
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with rigs... the right ones, the hyperion is ******* awesome.
With BS 5 and 2 t2 armor rep amount rights, it can repair around 1800 hp a cycle with LAR II.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 08:53:00 -
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as long as it is not nossed, yeah, it's a nice ship.
played with it allot in the test server.
also I can say this: TD's are your friend.
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 Originally by: Tiuwaz
for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons 
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.29 10:51:00 -
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It is kind of dissappointing more people arn't disturbed by this... or am i just being a *****?
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Nybbas
It is kind of dissappointing more people arn't disturbed by this... or am i just being a *****?
Disturbed by what? They Hype sucking? Go read the Revelations Development Forum. I've been pointing out the problems for a month. All I get is flamed.
Because I said so...
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.29 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Nybbas
It is kind of dissappointing more people arn't disturbed by this... or am i just being a *****?
Disturbed by what? They Hype sucking? Go read the Revelations Development Forum. I've been pointing out the problems for a month. All I get is flamed.
because you are clueless and your setups suck
Originally by: Gallente Information Ministry
A Myrmidon pilot with 5 heavy drones is a bad pilot, someone who dies to him can only be worse.
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LWMaverick
Quam Singulari
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:14:00 -
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Im not utterly impressed with its performance, i find myslef thinking "hmm, okay, this damage is rather nice, and the tanking isnt that bad either, but why would i choose this ship over my oh-so-trusted megathron?"
Im gonna stick with the megathron tbh.
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Sergei Turov
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:26:00 -
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The Hype isnt bad. Its not great either. Its pretty much a slightly diffrent mega.
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Loka
Gallente
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:36:00 -
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hey 1 mininglaser more than the Mega, why complain?
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Kazaam
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:49:00 -
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I tried the following setup a bit on Sisi,althoough I don't have some T2 skills yet :
High :
4x Modal Neutron Blaster II
4x Heavy Diminishing
Med :
1x Quad Lif MWD
1x Named Web
1x Named Scrambler 20kms
1x Heavy Cap Booster II
1x Sensor Booster II
Low :
3x Radioisotopes Hardeners (Exp,Kin,Therm)
1x EANM I
2x LAR 'Accommodation'
10x Hammerheads I in bay
3x Powergrid Rigs
Worked quite well
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: LWMaverick
Edited by: LWMaverick on 29/11/2006 12:17:04
Im not utterly impressed with its performance, i find myslef thinking "hmm, okay, this damage is rather nice, and the tanking isnt that bad either, but why would i choose this ship over my oh-so-trusted megathron?"
I think im gonna stick with the megathron, at least in most situations..
But im surely gonna buy one or two hehe.
/Mav
exactly.
it does dish a bit more damage thru turrets than the megathron, at the price of having a smaller drone bay, and less lows to tank.
it is a bit more versatile due to the 5 meds tho.
all in all, it does the job as well as the mega, altho it has a bit of a diferent flavour on it.
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Dreadmuppet Four
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:23:00 -
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It's also not a bad sniper - with 2 power grid mod rigs in there you have enough grid to mount a full rack of 425TIIs and a lot of damage mods.
I quite like it but not tried any of the other T3 ships yet
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Heelay Ashrum
Caldari
Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.29 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dreadmuppet Four
It's also not a bad sniper - with 2 power grid mod rigs in there you have enough grid to mount a full rack of 425TIIs and a lot of damage mods.
I quite like it but not tried any of the other T3 ships yet
that i was just thinking ... with the rep bonus could be at least an exellent "mission running" ship. The real issue it's the powercore. I'm not sure how it's viable to be userd with full rack of 425mm ( or 350mm). Someone tried a rail setup? it fitts?
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Commander Nikolas
Gallente
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:36:00 -
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Hyperion isn't a Tier 3 Battleship, fly the Rohk. Use Speed/Agility Rigs. It is by a large margin the best blaster platform in eve right now.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 29/11/2006 14:43:50
It rocks, played about with it on the test server, 8 Neutrons FTW! It just tore massive chunks out of things.
Not to mention, the ship model (imho) looks excellent.
Edit: Saying that now though....I dunno if I'd pay the price tag that its insurance cost suggests it will be...
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ramptrick
Caldari
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc
with rigs... the right ones, the hyperion is ******* awesome.
With BS 5 and 2 t2 armor rep amount rights, it can repair around 1800 hp a cycle with LAR II.
well if you fit an armour repping rig plus use combat boosters to boost your armour rep amount on SiSI i was reppping nearly 3k armour with 2x LAR II's. thats a huge amount to rep in 11.45 secs!!!
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Nybbas
It is kind of dissappointing more people arn't disturbed by this... or am i just being a *****?
Disturbed by what? They Hype sucking? Go read the Revelations Development Forum. I've been pointing out the problems for a month. All I get is flamed.
because you are clueless and your setups suck
My setups are brilliant, you're just too stupid to appreciate them.
Because I said so...
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: ramptrick
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
with rigs... the right ones, the hyperion is ******* awesome.
With BS 5 and 2 t2 armor rep amount rights, it can repair around 1800 hp a cycle with LAR II.
well if you fit an armour repping rig plus use combat boosters to boost your armour rep amount on SiSI i was reppping nearly 3k armour with 2x LAR II's. thats a huge amount to rep in 11.45 secs!!!
Yep, it can tank like crazy, as long as you don't mind flying about 800m/sec topped out with a T2 MWD. The rig penalties on the armor rigs are just horrible. The speed penalty not only cripples your top speed but it also ruins your acceleration.
If you're fitting two or three rep rigs in order to get these big rep numbers, then you arn't fitting grid rigs, and that means you're going to end up with a very light weight ion or electron gun setup.
Because I said so...
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Griever Takkow
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:24:00 -
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I did find a pretty viable rail setup actually:
8 x 350 II
Heavy injector, Webber, TD II, 2 Cap chargers
2x LAR II, 2 x EANM II, DC, 1600 plate
Needed 1 Power grid rig and i fitted 2 cap rigs .
Obviously not a solo ship, but tanks like a demon and will still hit if stuff flies in close to you.
24km Optimal and 24 falloff with AM so its short range sensors don't matter.
With an RCU II instead of a plate i think its possible to push it up to 425 II's as well.
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:09:00 -
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so yeah basically.... thanks tux for keeping the "temporary" armor rep bonus... which of course from the beggining we all knew it wasnt going to get changed again, and then on top of that turning the "dedicated blaster platform" into something that basically does the exact same thing as a megathron, except maybe a TINY bit different... I can't believe this crap, the caldari get a tier 3 thats entirely different from anything they have had before in their battleship class, (and is also an amazing ship) and gallente get some recycled garbage... at least it looks cool i guess.... and it seems from what people reccommend here... set it up for rails but why do that when i have a megathron... or better yet can train up caldari and use the rohk?
I guess I am finally going to train caldari battleship skills on this character, so i can get my blasterboat and my railboat.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 29/11/2006 18:46:28
Originally by: murder one
Yep, it can tank like crazy, as long as you don't mind flying about 800m/sec topped out with a T2 MWD. The rig penalties on the armor rigs are just horrible. The speed penalty not only cripples your top speed but it also ruins your acceleration.
If you're fitting two or three rep rigs in order to get these big rep numbers, then you arn't fitting grid rigs, and that means you're going to end up with a very light weight ion or electron gun setup.
Seriously, your creativity and setups are rubbish. Your whole mentality of setting up ships needs to change.
In the other topic you were either fitting ions/neutrons + 3x MFS or smaller guns + dual rep tanks with activate hards + eanm + dc. then complaining about cap use or not killing the target before you died... you were using extemes of gank or tank. none with rigs, I bet you tested against people who were using rigs though.
Heres a BIGGER hint than I and various other pilots have been giving. 1x LAR T2 does 95% of 2x LAR T2. So why waste fitting/slot to fit 2 reps? Getting the idea now?
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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 29/11/2006 19:16:41
Originally by: Nybbas
so yeah basically.... thanks tux for keeping the "temporary" armor rep bonus... which of course from the beggining we all knew it wasnt going to get changed again, and then on top of that turning the "dedicated blaster platform" into something that basically does the exact same thing as a megathron, except maybe a TINY bit different... I can't believe this crap, the caldari get a tier 3 thats entirely different from anything they have had before in their battleship class, (and is also an amazing ship) and gallente get some recycled garbage... at least it looks cool i guess.... and it seems from what people reccommend here... set it up for rails but why do that when i have a megathron... or better yet can train up caldari and use the rohk?
I guess I am finally going to train caldari battleship skills on this character, so i can get my blasterboat and my railboat.
meh... I said it would be better to have a dmg + rof bonus, since that way the hyperion would become a glass cannon like that, but noooo.
oh well, truth the hype is not a bad blasterboat, but since the rohk is so much better, why flying one?
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Nikolas
It is by a large margin the best blaster platform in eve right now.
I really like the Astarte more in Kali... at least on SISI anyways...
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:08:00 -
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I wanna see how that agility bonus looked like, can we at least have a open test of it on SiSi now?
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Nebuli
Caldari
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:56:00 -
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Gave up complaining about the Hype when it actualy hit test server.
Predicted it would be a waste of pixels before it was even available for test, it was a badly thought out design, with badly thought out bonus's, and badly implemented.
Rohk is a better blaster platform than Hype, and is a better rail platform than the mega, w00t?
Nvm, guess I can just train Caldari BS4-5 and I'm good again, not sure why I should have to though but hey ho.
CEO - Art of War
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Gave up complaining about the Hype when it actualy hit test server.
Predicted it would be a waste of pixels before it was even available for test, it was a badly thought out design, with badly thought out bonus's, and badly implemented.
Rohk is a better blaster platform than Hype, and is a better rail platform than the mega, w00t?
Nvm, guess I can just train Caldari BS4-5 and I'm good again, not sure why I should have to though but hey ho.
honestly, I am for the first time after all these years training up caldari skills to get into caldari battleships, so i can have the rail/blasterboat i always wanted *sigh*
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.30 08:54:00 -
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are there really no people who mind that the hyperion is just a megathron with a body kit on it?!?!
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Royaldo
Old Farts
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:02:00 -
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actually, i think the 1100 rep i get with a t2 rep is kinda cool. and then i could also fit 8 t2 ions. However the problem is tracking. This ship will only be good for small gangs where you are sure to find bs targets. Because you wont hit anything smaller.
blaster people gave up long ago on trying to tell tux whats wrong with it.
this is just slightly different mega, with a higher price, which is why ill still use megathron and skip this.
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Kristoffer
Amarr
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kristoffer on 30/11/2006 09:06:45
Edited by: Kristoffer on 30/11/2006 09:04:38
I encourage all of you to train caldari because the hyperion sucks so much and the rokh owns. Really. Im being serious. Mabey it will make the demand go down which means cheaper Hyps for me.
lol.
I love the hyperion, its a great ship, it really is. Learn to use it. Learn what It can do and can't do. Fight 30+ fights on test server and then get a clue.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Loka
hey 1 mininglaser more than the Mega, why complain?
Oh, very true.
It's a mining ship for Gallantean. Meroxite here I come!
But really, it needs less mass to be good at what it does. And a full drone bay...
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kristoffer
Edited by: Kristoffer on 30/11/2006 09:06:45
Edited by: Kristoffer on 30/11/2006 09:04:38
I encourage all of you to train caldari because the hyperion sucks so much and the rokh owns. Really. Im being serious. Mabey it will make the demand go down which means cheaper Hyps for me.
lol.
I love the hyperion, its a great ship, it really is. Learn to use it. Learn what It can do and can't do. Fight 30+ fights on test server and then get a clue.
What it can/cannot do doesn't differ from what a megathron can or cannot do. It just does it a bit different. ( and the difference sure as hell isn't one I like. ) Only reason I'll get one is cause of looks. Won't even fit the thing.
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Kristoffer
Amarr
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kristoffer on 30/11/2006 09:17:32
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Kristoffer
Edited by: Kristoffer on 30/11/2006 09:06:45
Edited by: Kristoffer on 30/11/2006 09:04:38
I encourage all of you to train caldari because the hyperion sucks so much and the rokh owns. Really. Im being serious. Mabey it will make the demand go down which means cheaper Hyps for me.
lol.
I love the hyperion, its a great ship, it really is. Learn to use it. Learn what It can do and can't do. Fight 30+ fights on test server and then get a clue.
What it can/cannot do doesn't differ from what a megathron can or cannot do. It just does it a bit different. ( and the difference sure as hell isn't one I like. ) Only reason I'll get one is cause of looks. Won't even fit the thing.
Shrug. I consider tanking somewhere around 3294 damage per double rep cycle while dealing acceptable DPS to still make it a threat quite a difference.
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Infrared Raven
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kristoffer
Shrug. I consider tanking somewhere around 3294 damage per double rep cycle while dealing acceptable DPS to still make it a threat quite a difference.
Until you run out of cap...
Infrared Raven.
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Epidemis
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Posted - 2006.11.30 10:33:00 -
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The min BS is just as worse...
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Royaldo
Old Farts
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.30 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Epidemis
The min BS is just as worse...
dont agree at all.
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:39:00 -
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even if its "just as worse" at least you got somewhat of a different ship : /
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kazaam
I tried the following setup a bit on Sisi,althoough I don't have some T2 skills yet :
High :
4x Modal Neutron Blaster II
4x Heavy Diminishing
Med :
1x Quad Lif MWD
1x Named Web
1x Named Scrambler 20kms
1x Heavy Cap Booster II
1x Sensor Booster II
Low :
3x Radioisotopes Hardeners (Exp,Kin,Therm)
1x EANM I
2x LAR 'Accommodation'
10x Hammerheads I in bay
3x Powergrid Rigs
Worked quite well
Thread ended. That's a blater boat right thar.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Kazaam
I tried the following setup a bit on Sisi,althoough I don't have some T2 skills yet :
High :
4x Modal Neutron Blaster II
4x Heavy Diminishing
Med :
1x Quad Lif MWD
1x Named Web
1x Named Scrambler 20kms
1x Heavy Cap Booster II
1x Sensor Booster II
Low :
3x Radioisotopes Hardeners (Exp,Kin,Therm)
1x EANM I
2x LAR 'Accommodation'
10x Hammerheads I in bay
3x Powergrid Rigs
Worked quite well
Thread ended. That's a blater boat right thar.
If I wanted to fly around in a omghax nos boat I'd fly a dominix.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:17:00 -
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Where the heck does everyone go on the test server to fight? I never run into anyone! I wind up going to look for a pack of angel saints to see how stuff measures up against my ratting domi.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:17:00 -
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This thread reminds me of the "BOOST Deimos" thread..
I'm anxiously waiting for Tuxford to be replaced!
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
This thread reminds me of the "BOOST Deimos" thread..
I'm anxiously waiting for Tuxford to be replaced!
I'm anxiously waiting for everyone to shut up complaining about this ship when any problems it has, also causes every other ship the same problems...
As Tux would say, "how about I nerf the blaster-Mega to make the Hyperion better?"
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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:31:00 -
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Keep thinking its crap, if you manage to spread that belief enough I'll get more fights in mine.
With the right setup, its a far superior basterboat than the mega. Or the fuggin' blokh.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Originally by: Kunming
This thread reminds me of the "BOOST Deimos" thread..
I'm anxiously waiting for Tuxford to be replaced!
I'm anxiously waiting for everyone to shut up complaining about this ship when any problems it has, also causes every other ship the same problems...
As Tux would say, "how about I nerf the blaster-Mega to make the Hyperion better?"
How about you STFU Mr. Exclamation mark and leave the talking to the ppl who've been around since the begining and know what they are talking about. EVE PvP is in its worst state ever atm, ofc ppl are gonna whine and flame on the forums, you want them to go raid CCP HQ instead?!
Non-cap consumers (drones, projectiles, missiles and passive tanks) have their golden time in KALI, while blasters, lasers and active tanks are shafted. If you deny this you are not interested in balance at all and only here to preserve the overpowered toys you recieved from Uncle Suxford..
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 30/11/2006 21:44:22
Originally by: Kunming
random smacktalk
Thanks for proving my point mr I-Know-It-All...
Topic is "boost the Hyperion" you just pointed out its not just hyperion that is affected 
Rev 2 is meant to be dealing with nos, which should help.
I haven't seen anything in this topic that makes me think the Hyperion specifically (or blasters in the other topic) should be boosted. So maybe you should stop concentrating on boosting your ship and instead look at the wider picture to get that "balance" your wanting. Boosting one ship then and another then another doesn't do anything but avoid the problem.
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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Topic is "boost the Hyperion" you just pointed out its not just hyperion that is affected
Nonetheless, the Hyperion IS affected. However many other ships/weapons are affected, people who will fly the Hyperion will complain about the Hyperion.
So what? Why does every ***** thread need to be about everything?
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 30/11/2006 21:44:22
Originally by: Kunming
random smacktalk
Thanks for proving my point mr I-Know-It-All...
Topic is "boost the Hyperion" you just pointed out its not just hyperion that is affected
Rev 2 is meant to be dealing with nos, which should help.
I haven't seen anything in this topic that makes me think the Hyperion specifically (or blasters in the other topic) should be boosted. So maybe you should stop concentrating on boosting your ship and instead look at the wider picture to get that "balance" your wanting. Boosting one ship then and another then another doesn't do anything but avoid the problem.
I updated the topic just for you sweetie <3 and really the hyperion DOES need ot be boosted, but even then i would not be happy with it, because it needs to be CHANGED if it was somehow boosted in its current form (more powergrid or something like that) it would COMPLETELY make the megathron an obsolete ship, which wasnt supposed to be the point of tier 3 anyways... caldari got something totally different than any other bs they had before, minmatar got a very nice new ship... amarr got shafted as they always do, and gallente got a megathron with a couplet weaks and a model change.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 30/11/2006 21:58:58
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Topic is "boost the Hyperion" you just pointed out its not just hyperion that is affected
Nonetheless, the Hyperion IS affected. However many other ships/weapons are affected, people who will fly the Hyperion will complain about the Hyperion.
So what? Why does every ***** thread need to be about everything?
You still haven't got my point. Why boost everything around the problem instead of nerfing the problem?
Amarr complained about laser damage on armour and people wanted stupid stuff like explosive crystals instead of doing the sensible thing and look at the cause of there damage problem, EANM.
Edit:
Nice title change...
How about changing the Mega instead? I like the Hyperion, sure it can't do as high a damage as a gank-Mega but it can do great damage with a great tank.
Oh and when a role is found for the Maelstrom besides "trap ship" i'll say its good, atm its a toy for throwing stupid tanking numbers around.
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Originally by: "Lord Violent"
EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 30/11/2006 21:44:22
Originally by: Kunming
random smacktalk
Thanks for proving my point mr I-Know-It-All...
(2)Topic is "boost the Hyperion" you just pointed out its not just hyperion that is affected
Rev 2 is meant to be dealing with nos, which should help.
I haven't seen anything in this topic that makes me think the Hyperion specifically (or blasters in the other topic) should be boosted. (1)So maybe you should stop concentrating on boosting your ship and instead look at the wider picture to get that "balance" your wanting. Boosting one ship then and another then another doesn't do anything but avoid the problem.
(1)This char doesnt even have gallente BS lvl 1, and using big but hollow phrases like "looking at the wider picture" aint gonna help your arguement either.
(2)Hyperion like all other blasterboats sux in KALI, just a bit better than amarr gun boats, its not all races and ships like you try to reflect this, its blasters and lasers. And this been going on for over 6 months now.
Me and many others have put out numbers, facts, setups.. your hollow arguement hasnt put out anything but flamebait so far. You are more like an e-mail spammer rather than a forum ho!
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 30/11/2006 21:58:58
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Topic is "boost the Hyperion" you just pointed out its not just hyperion that is affected
Nonetheless, the Hyperion IS affected. However many other ships/weapons are affected, people who will fly the Hyperion will complain about the Hyperion.
So what? Why does every ***** thread need to be about everything?
You still haven't got my point. Why boost everything around the problem instead of nerfing the problem?
Amarr complained about laser damage on armour and people wanted stupid stuff like explosive crystals instead of doing the sensible thing and look at the cause of there damage problem, EANM.
Edit:
Nice title change...
How about changing the Mega instead? I like the Hyperion, sure it can't do as high a damage as a gank-Mega but it can do great damage with a great tank.
Oh and when a role is found for the Maelstrom besides "trap ship" i'll say its good, atm its a toy for throwing stupid tanking numbers around.
... right, usually when you introduce a new ship with a new role, you dont overhaul a ship thats been around since day 1 of the games creation just to accomodate this new ship... If they did that anyways I would be happy, at least I would finally have a choice other than nos dommy or suicide.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:11:00 -
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Keep everything as is, except make it *fast*. I'm talking like Machariel fast, 180m/sec or thereabouts.
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The Uneducated fly Amarr. Those in the know fly Minmatar. Nooblars fly Gallente. Cheaters fly Caldari. Rich people fly Faction.
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DefJam101
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 30/11/2006 21:44:22
Originally by: Kunming
random smacktalk
Thanks for proving my point mr I-Know-It-All...
Topic is "boost the Hyperion" you just pointed out its not just hyperion that is affected
Rev 2 is meant to be dealing with nos, which should help.
I haven't seen anything in this topic that makes me think the Hyperion specifically (or blasters in the other topic) should be boosted. So maybe you should stop concentrating on boosting your ship and instead look at the wider picture to get that "balance" your wanting. Boosting one ship then and another then another doesn't do anything but avoid the problem.
That sure as hell wasn't random smacktalk.
He's right, EVE PVP is at an all time low, and I haven't even been here that long.
It's literally impossible to kill ships bigger than you now, among many other problems.
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maarud
Einherjar Incorporated
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:14:00 -
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I love the hype.
Maarud.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 30/11/2006 22:18:05
I'll discuss with you Nybbas since Kumming has gone off on another mad rant at me.
Originally by: Nybbas
... right, usually when you introduce a new ship with a new role, you dont overhaul a ship thats been around since day 1 of the games creation just to accomodate this new ship... If they did that anyways I would be happy, at least I would finally have a choice other than nos dommy or suicide.
Oh yeah I agree, i'm just saying that both ships are good, I think the Hyperion has more potential (especially with the introduction of rigs) as a blaster boat than the Mega hence i'd would rather see a change to the Mega.
Abaddon wasn't exactly a new role ship for Amarr, Maelstrom while it doesn't replace any existing ship doesn't really do anything but produce pretty tanking numbers. Rohk is just too good.
I like the Hyperion, Rev has introduced Rigs which you can do really nice things with but at same time you have to compramise somewhere else. Rigs when used well can really emphasise and solve some problems, but there are so many options it means for every good setup you'll get 10 bad ones.
People were saying the Hyperion sucked and Mega was a better blastership, then people started producing videos showing two spec'd chars testing them and the Hyperion slaughtering the Mega.
Originally by: DefJam101
That sure as hell wasn't random smacktalk.
He's right, EVE PVP is at an all time low, and I haven't even been here that long.
It's literally impossible to kill ships bigger than you now, among many other problems.
Indeed, I love my cruisers, but it's got so much harder now.
But then I don't really wanna go back to dual propulsion times either.
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Originally by: "Lord Violent"
EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 30/11/2006 22:18:05
I'll discuss with you Nybbas since Kumming has gone off on another mad rant at me.
Originally by: Nybbas
... right, usually when you introduce a new ship with a new role, you dont overhaul a ship thats been around since day 1 of the games creation just to accomodate this new ship... If they did that anyways I would be happy, at least I would finally have a choice other than nos dommy or suicide.
Oh yeah I agree, i'm just saying that both ships are good, I think the Hyperion has more potential (especially with the introduction of rigs) as a blaster boat than the Mega hence i'd would rather see a change to the Mega.
Abaddon wasn't exactly a new role ship for Amarr, Maelstrom while it doesn't replace any existing ship doesn't really do anything but produce pretty tanking numbers. Rohk is just too good.
I like the Hyperion, Rev has introduced Rigs which you can do really nice things with but at same time you have to compramise somewhere else. Rigs when used well can really emphasise and solve some problems, but there are so many options it means for every good setup you'll get 10 bad ones.
People were saying the Hyperion sucked and Mega was a better blastership, then people started producing videos showing two spec'd chars testing them and the Hyperion slaughtering the Mega.
Originally by: DefJam101
That sure as hell wasn't random smacktalk.
He's right, EVE PVP is at an all time low, and I haven't even been here that long.
It's literally impossible to kill ships bigger than you now, among many other problems.
Indeed, I love my cruisers, but it's got so much harder now.
But then I don't really wanna go back to dual propulsion times either.
what ****es me off so much about the whole thing was we were promised a dedicated all out blaster boat, what we got is something that really isnt THAT MUCH different than a megathron... We were also told it was given that temporary armor rep bonus just for testing, and then not another thing was said about it, tux never asked peoples opinions or even got feedback on it, and of course it made it in through release. Tuxford lied to us, and it really ****es me off.
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Breed Love
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:34:00 -
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Hyperion doesnt suck, it pwns, learn how to fit and use one.
Or better yet, keep thinking its crap and dont use it or blasters in general, but please shut the hell up on the forums!!!!
Don't give tux any more ideas.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nybbas
We were also told it was given that temporary armor rep bonus just for testing, and then not another thing was said about it, tux never asked peoples opinions or even got feedback on it, and of course it made it in through release. Tuxford lied to us, and it really ****es me off.
It's ok.
Minnies were told that the Maelstrom was given a old bonus that wasn't good enough when it was on Caldari snipers so would be looked at and changed...
At least the Hyperion was actually looked at and produced a good ship even if it does step on the Mega's toes.
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Originally by: "Lord Violent"
EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:42:00 -
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So a noob walks into the eve-o forums:
Originally by: Noob
Hi I'm new here. Can someone tell me which race to fly?
Xori Ruscuv decides to do a little forum whoring...
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Caldari. They're the only race with 3 battleships, TBH...
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:47:00 -
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its sadly true...
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Sabirah Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:27:00 -
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Maybe it's just me, but i founded out the Hyperion to be a very nice Railboat, with 2 RCU i could fit 8 425mm (and i think i could fit also the t2 versions). On test server i used this set up for mission running:
High Slots:
8 Named 425mm rails
Medium Slots:
1 Target Painter
1 Tracking computer
3 Cap Rechargers
Low Slots:
1 LAR t2
3 Hardners (mission specific)
2 RCU t2
Drone Bay:
4 Wasps
The flying speed of the hyperion helped me to kite a little the rats, the dps was good, and the little frigates in the end got eaten by the drones.
Of course i tested on L4 missions.
(btw if you want to do L4 mission get a raven)
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Oedus Caro
Caldari
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Oedus Caro on 01/12/2006 00:17:53
Well since the theme is "lets complain about the Hyperion", I have a complaint of my own: why the devil does it have 7200 base capacitance?
*insert appropriate Amarrian expletive here*
If you would answer, "because it's meant to use a micro warp-drive", please don't bother actually saying as much. The micro warp-drive cap penalty should be removed, and replaced with higher grid if it's meant to be so power-hungry.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:20:00 -
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You realize even with the 7200 base cap it has worse peak cap recharge than a megathron, yes?
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Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:29:00 -
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I dont quite understand the Hyperion... (However gj with the Myrmidon Tux, kudos mate)
The Hyper has 8 turrets, which is nice, and 5 mids, fantastic... But I find the lows odd.
Now, I'm not good at maths, but to me... 7 Ion II's and a Mag stab on a thron... vs. 8 Ion II's and no mag stab on a Hyperion to get the same tank.... plus about 500 armor per Omni-tank rep cycle... plus the Hyperion's larger armor.
I love the Thron, and I dont want to see it become redundant, but at this point, I would be scared to engage a Hyperion alone vs my Thron.
I've yet to test.
Just some thoughts tbh... I'm worried because the Hyperion technically could be a better fleet ship than the Thron too.
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Izo Azlion.
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The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.01 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Just some thoughts tbh... I'm worried because the Hyperion technically could be a better fleet ship than the Thron too.
It is. You need a PG rig or two to fit it, but it does more dps, more alpha, more HP and structure, and the tracking is pretty much the same too if you run 2 x TC II
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Kristoffer
Amarr
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2006.12.01 03:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kristoffer on 01/12/2006 03:41:24
A blaster hyp will beat a blaster mega everytime assuming its fit right, and it won't even be a fair fight.
The hyp should have something like 95% armor remaining.
Hell, a Hyp can take a neutron mega and a deimos at the same time and win.
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.12.01 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kristoffer
Edited by: Kristoffer on 01/12/2006 03:41:24
A blaster hyp will beat a blaster mega everytime assuming its fit right, and it won't even be a fair fight.
The hyp should have something like 95% armor remaining.
Hell, a Hyp can take a neutron mega and a deimos at the same time and win.
sure it could, if the mega and the deimos pilots both had down syndrom...
what the hype does well is tank, not use blasters, yet the hype is supposed to be THE BLASTER BOAT (which supposedly the megathron was supposed to be a blasterboat) except the megathrons BLASTERS are on par with the hyperion... what gives?
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Posted - 2006.12.01 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dramaan on 01/12/2006 09:05:46
whel at least galente got slighty difrent ship ammar got a new Thuret ship whit no variasion. I fly galente to i want to try hyporion it loks like a good fleet pvp ship.
ups my alt sorry
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DemonStar Supernova
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2006.12.01 09:06:00 -
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Make that armor bonus we get a per level buff, and youll never ever hear me complain about the hyperion again. Ever. Ever. Barring that Im still deciding if I like this ship or not. Its pretty at least :)
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