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Sean Dillon
Caldari
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:53:00 -
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Just buy Game time cards as a euro player, they dont charge those in euros if you do it right. It saved me some money last time I did.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 29/11/2006 18:03:16
 Originally by: Patch86
Iceland isn't part of the EU. If Icelandic tax is being applied to European customers, it should be being applied to US customers too- their relationship to US and EU is the same.
They're a member of the European Economic Area...
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:05:00 -
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Why does a person in the UK pay ten times as much for a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts as compared to a person in the US?
They're made on location - not shipped across the ocean from the US to the UK. So what is the reason?
Why are the Starbucks coffee cups in the UK smaller than the ones in the US - and you pay more for the coffee in any case?
Why did it take me a month to get a phone line installed in London - and another whole month to get broadband, when I got all of that installed in the US in three days?
Mmmm?
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Shao Lyn
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Tintifish
Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
I'm just wondering what kind of education you have had. The recent change in price is caused by fluctuations on the international currency markets. In recent weeks the US Dollar has been falling because the American economy is not doing as well as people thought and the EU economies are doing a lot better than people thought.
Other than that EU residents have to pay VAT on top of their subscription and that is levied by CCP on behalf of the EU. CCP would just as rather not charge us for that because it probably incurs additional administrative overhead for them.
Put simply:The pricing differences and changes are not CCP's fault. They are the result of various decisions made by several different governments.
You are kidding I hope in the bolded part. EU economies are, shall we say lackluster at best, while the US has the strongest growing economy in the world, it still has not hiccupped as many have expected. The main reason for the difference in the value is due to interest rates within the US vs. outside the US. If I take $1 mil USD and invest it in a savings account I get much less return than if I invest it in the EU with their higher interest rate for the same savings account. That's a bit simplistic, and there are of course the rumours of the US economic leadership artificially deflating the dollar to lightly punish their allies for past "transgressions." This comes from the fact that many EU industries are finding it very hard to remain competetive in the US market due to the valuation of the Dollar vs. the Euro.
Bottom line, wait 5 years and it will most likely swing back the other way, and then all the US players can complain about how the Euros are only paying $10 to their $15 or whatever it becomes...
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Edited by: Hllaxiu on 29/11/2006 18:03:16
Originally by: Patch86
Iceland isn't part of the EU. If Icelandic tax is being applied to European customers, it should be being applied to US customers too- their relationship to US and EU is the same.
They're a member of the European Economic Area...
Ah, that sounds like a sensible answer.
Still seems odd that I, in a country with 17.5% tax, have to pay 25% tax, while US, a country with 0% tax, pays 0% tax. Makes little sense- either you pay the tax of the country you're in (as US does) or you pay the tax of the country the company is in (as UK does). I'm not sure I understand what criteria has me paying 25% and Americans paying 0%...................
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Harisdrop
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:21:00 -
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Funny thing is I pay in dollars. A dollar is worth a dollar.
Do EU pay in dollars? Do you have to converter you money to dollars for you subscription?
Does CCP convert our money to ISK?
Seems like a point of economies and not anything bad.
Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead
. Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
Funny thing is I pay in dollars. A dollar is worth a dollar.
Do EU pay in dollars? Do you have to converter you money to dollars for you subscription?
Does CCP convert our money to ISK?
Seems like a point of economies and not anything bad.
Economics hurt my head 
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Still seems odd that I, in a country with 17.5% tax, have to pay 25% tax, while US, a country with 0% tax, pays 0% tax. Makes little sense- either you pay the tax of the country you're in (as US does) or you pay the tax of the country the company is in (as UK does). I'm not sure I understand what criteria has me paying 25% and Americans paying 0%...................
Try reading the link Wrangler gave. Especially the part where it says "For the purpose of exports between the Community and non-member countries, no VAT is charged on the transaction "
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Patch86
Still seems odd that I, in a country with 17.5% tax, have to pay 25% tax, while US, a country with 0% tax, pays 0% tax. Makes little sense- either you pay the tax of the country you're in (as US does) or you pay the tax of the country the company is in (as UK does). I'm not sure I understand what criteria has me paying 25% and Americans paying 0%...................
Try reading the link Wrangler gave. Especially the part where it says "For the purpose of exports between the Community and non-member countries, no VAT is charged on the transaction "
Hmm, so members of the EEA are treated as internal members of the EU in terms of inport / export?
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Thor Xian on 29/11/2006 18:32:09
Ultimately, you all chose to be taxed more.
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"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Hmm, so members of the EEA are treated as internal members of the EU in terms of inport / export?
You learn something new every day
Hmm maybe I was a bit confused by the mention of the EEA earlier. I guess EU citizens are being taxed on the basis of this: "However, as far as imports are concerned, VAT must be paid at the moment the goods are imported so they are immediately placed on the same footing as equivalent goods produced in the Community."
Either way, the fault (if there is a fault) with this is not CCP, but EU legislation.
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Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Ah, that sounds like a sensible answer.
Still seems odd that I, in a country with 17.5% tax, have to pay 25% tax, while US, a country with 0% tax, pays 0% tax. Makes little sense- either you pay the tax of the country you're in (as US does) or you pay the tax of the country the company is in (as UK does). I'm not sure I understand what criteria has me paying 25% and Americans paying 0%...................
USA is not member of EU or EEA. Thats why. Iceland is member of EEA so it uses joint EU VAT system. Only EU/EEA residents have to pay EU's VAT.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:35:00 -
[43]
Gotcha. I just wasn't aware EEA and EU shared the import / export rule.
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ToxicFire
Warlords Corp
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:36:00 -
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I rember reading on one of the goverment taxation sites that you don't have to pay vat on any import with a market value below 18 pound sterling.
GTC's come under that boundry soo.... and the ammount of business shattered crystal does with the EU in terms of GTC's is large and they've never stated anything about it.
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
So EU player pays about $0.86 more at this moment
I'll pay the OP $0.86 a month to never post on the forums again.
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Rodsy
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:14:00 -
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Easy solution: Increase the price for Americans!
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Helplessandlost
Minmatar
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rodsy
Easy solution: Increase the price for Americans!
How about no!
Can't help it if you guys have VAT tax and we don't why should we suffer again? How about you pay all my sales taxes on everything else I buy?
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JeffieTheClam
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:40:00 -
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i love how the world econemy runs around the american dollar but no one ever realizes it or accepts it.
paying more sucks :shrug: - we need a 1 world currency and a cashless society.
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Turin
Caldari
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shao Lyn
Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Tintifish
EU economies are, shall we say lackluster at best, while the US has the strongest growing economy in the world, it still has not hiccupped as many have expected.
Actually, China has the fastest growing economy in the world.
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Turin
Caldari
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: JeffieTheClam
i love how the world econemy runs around the american dollar but no one ever realizes it or accepts it.
paying more sucks :shrug: - we need a 1 world currency and a cashless society.
! currency wouldnt be a bad though, though given the desparity between markets in differant countries, it would be fairly un-obtainable at the moment.
As for a cashless society. No thank you. I value my privacy ( as much as we have these days ) and dont want to have yet another means of tracking my activities and so forth.
Besides, since pot is illegal here, how would i buy my drugs without cash? :)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Turin
Originally by: JeffieTheClam
i love how the world econemy runs around the american dollar but no one ever realizes it or accepts it.
paying more sucks :shrug: - we need a 1 world currency and a cashless society.
! currency wouldnt be a bad though, though given the desparity between markets in differant countries, it would be fairly un-obtainable at the moment.
As for a cashless society. No thank you. I value my privacy ( as much as we have these days ) and dont want to have yet another means of tracking my activities and so forth.
Besides, since pot is illegal here, how would i buy my drugs without cash? :)
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zoondab
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:21:00 -
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It is very, very simple no need to think about tax etc. CCP charge more in Europe because they know people will pay it. They are in business to make money and set price at a level to maximise profit. Capitalism in action and you can't blame it anymore than a natural force. Our power as consumer is the choice to pay it or not.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
Does CCP convert our money to ISK?
Seems like a point of economies and not anything bad.
Yes, they do. So depending on which one is stronger to the ISK, CCP may actually be making less off of Euro players than they do off US ones, which was true the last time I checked. So, really, they should raise the price for Euros even more to compensate for their loss.
Originally by: DB Preacher
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Varity
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Helplessandlost
Originally by: Rodsy
Easy solution: Increase the price for Americans!
How about no!
Can't help it if you guys have VAT tax and we don't why should we suffer again? How about you pay all my sales taxes on everything else I buy?
Sales tax IS VAT hun.
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E'Arynn
Caldari
Cadian Special Operations Command
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: E''Arynn on 30/11/2006 21:20:56
Edited by: E''Arynn on 30/11/2006 21:19:35
Originally by: JeffieTheClam
i love how the world econemy runs around the american dollar but no one ever realizes it or accepts it.
paying more sucks :shrug: - we need a 1 world currency and a cashless society.
The dollar is largly ignored by world economy - the pound is king.
The dollar has no substance.
I'm sure if you want to argue it this ain't the place ;)
And unless the pound is our single currency, I'm gonna have to pass. One change is enough for this lifetime, and I don't want to be figuring out a new one.
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Max Tesla
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:27:00 -
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Just buy a time card they are in dollars ;)
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Vladimir Ilych
Hidden Industrial Group
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:29:00 -
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CCP do not control the exchange rates of nation states. To the OP. Get a grip.
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Dal Thrax
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Admai Sket
Originally by: Wrangler
The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted. 
i clicked the link here, and the first thing i notice is:
" What is a taxable person? "
erm.... shouldn't that be 'who' ?
No what. Corporations are considered legal persons in the US and I believe Europe. Therefor "what is a taxable person" includes "is this company set up under the laws of Zambia a taxable person under EU law or are the individual shareholders."
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Lysit Kaune
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:53:00 -
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Where theres a will theres a way.
Buy GTC from Crystal Shard, works out at about ú8.10 (About 12 euros), problem solved.
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xenorx
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:11:00 -
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Oh FFS, cant you just feel the American hate in the OP. EU currency has gone up in value against the dollar. So What! In most cases you dont even notice the day to day change. That 15 dollars I spend every month feels just the same to me as the 15 dollars I spent 3 years ago when the euro was worth about .75 against the dollar. Guess what, I didnt complain about it.
I suggest you need to take a break if you only have currency rates to worry about. Take advantage of them. Trade you euros for dollars so you will have more money to spend and then go to Florida on holiday.
Than relax and dont forget your sun screen. Also remember not to fall asleep under a coconut tree.
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