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Tintifish
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:25:00 -
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Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
The difference is even more noticable when converted to GBP (im from the UK), because of it's current strength against the dollar. If we paid in USD we would be paying little over ú7.50, but paying Euros we are having to pay ú10.10. Over ú3.50 extra a month than are American friends??
It seems absurd that the price can be so hugely different for no reason other than location. No other MMO does this, most charging the $15 across the world, meaning even pricing.
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tintifish Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
The difference is even more noticable when converted to GBP (im from the UK), because of it's current strength against the dollar. If we paid in USD we would be paying little over ú7.50, but paying Euros we are having to pay ú10.10. Over ú3.50 extra a month than are American friends??
It seems absurd that the price can be so hugely different for no reason other than location. No other MMO does this, most charging the $15 across the world, meaning even pricing.
How much of that is VAT?
I have a friend who is a doctor in Austria, and he always sends me his list of clothes to buy for his children, because the VAT has made things riotously expensive there - so I buy his childrens' clothes (with his money), and mail them to him.
Saves him about 75% on the cost of clothes.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
Minmatar Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:28:00 -
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Some of it is tax I believe, which they have to pay (operating the service out of london which is part of the european union) - The U.S.A. doesn't have VAT like we do.
. ----- It's great being Minmatar, ain't it? Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:31:00 -
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This has nothing to do with CCP, thank the European governements for this one :).
CCP still ftw.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:32:00 -
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VAT is 17.5% or so. That does account for most of it, but it still does leave about 12% extra money being charged unaccounted for. -----------------------------------------------
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Plague Black
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:32:00 -
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VAT is 17.5%. It doesn't justify the price difference. It must be something else. CCP knows, ask them via email and they should reply.
P.S. Be polite
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Asm0dai
Disbelievers of Fate The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:32:00 -
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Buy GTC's from American resellers.
Problem Solved.
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Plague Black
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyano This has nothing to do with CCP, thank the European governements for this one :).
CCP still ftw.
Blaming EU gov for online gaming prices?!? Best one today, thanks for the giggle
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Asm0dai Buy GTC's from American resellers.
Problem Solved.
Actually you have to pay VAT for those too (if you live in the European Union), though most people just like to ignore that obligation.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:37:00 -
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blame america for importing/cosuming more than they're producing. and they tend to live on credit. the dollar will definately erode more the next couple of years so we might aswell look for a US gtc seller ^^
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Johnathan Roark
Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:44:00 -
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Also, keep in mind the exchange rate also fluctuates. It would get very silly if CCP adjusted there pricing to account for the exchange rate every time it changed. I remember them adjusting there pricing once before because of this, and they had been eating some of the difference before then.
Also, there may be other processing fees besides VAT that makes a difference.
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Tintifish
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tintifish on 29/11/2006 14:47:04 I had thought of finding a GTC seller, but you can never be sure about the legitimacy of some of these things, and it seems like a slightly unnecessary inconvenience. There's also that $15*17.5%=$17.50, which leaves another $2 over.
EDIT: The exchange rate doesnt look too much like reversing, it must be said ^^
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Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Robacz on 29/11/2006 14:52:51
Originally by: Tintifish Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
The difference is even more noticable when converted to GBP (im from the UK), because of it's current strength against the dollar. If we paid in USD we would be paying little over ú7.50, but paying Euros we are having to pay ú10.10. Over ú3.50 extra a month than are American friends??
It seems absurd that the price can be so hugely different for no reason other than location. No other MMO does this, most charging the $15 across the world, meaning even pricing.
Cost for US player: $14.95 Cost for EU player including VAT 24.5%: ~ $19.68 Cost for EU player excluding VAT 24.5%: ~ $15.81
So EU player pays about $0.86 more at this moment, huge difference. Price is +/- (depending on current USD/EUR ratio) same, but EU players have to pay VAT - Value Added Tax. This tax is 24.5% on Iceland. Icelandic companies have to add this tax to certain services provided to EU customers, its regulation from EU Commission. Also according to VAT law, VAT rate valid in selling company country is always applied, so VAT rate in your country is not important - Icelandic rate is applied.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tintifish Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
I'm just wondering what kind of education you have had. The recent change in price is caused by fluctuations on the international currency markets. In recent weeks the US Dollar has been falling because the American economy is not doing as well as people thought and the EU economies are doing a lot better than people thought.
Other than that EU residents have to pay VAT on top of their subscription and that is levied by CCP on behalf of the EU. CCP would just as rather not charge us for that because it probably incurs additional administrative overhead for them.
Put simply:The pricing differences and changes are not CCP's fault. They are the result of various decisions made by several different governments. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:53:00 -
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I transfer funds to PayPal (and as the NOK is strong these days, at a very decent exchange rate even with PP) and buy GTC's from shatteredcrystal.
400 NOK = 63 USD in my paypal account That means 1 USD = 6,3 apprx, or just around 94 NOK per GTC
1 Euro = 8,25 NOK, or just around 11,4Ç 1 GBP = 12,25 NOK, or just around ú7,7
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider blame america for importing/cosuming more than they're producing. and they tend to live on credit. the dollar will definately erode more the next couple of years so we might aswell look for a US gtc seller ^^
Maybe you haven't read the news, but a lot of people in the UK live on credit as well. When I was in London this spring, it was apparently a major news issue - so many people carrying so much consumer debt that there is NO hope of even making the interest payments - in the UK.
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nickky01
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:57:00 -
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yeah i totally just paid like...$2.00 US per gallon of gas to -------------------------- this is my main :( |
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:57:00 -
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The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:00:00 -
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well, then expect the island-dollar to join the us-dollar. just not as fast as the americans who import all kinds of stuff from mostly china without producing/export nearly enough - the dollar is supposed to cover less value and therefore will (have to) adept. if more countries decide to bunker their eserves in another currency, the euro for example, the spiral will gain speed
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
i clicked the link here, and the first thing i notice is:
" What is a taxable person? "
erm.... shouldn't that be 'who' ? --------- NEED A SIG PLEASE. |
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Karunel
Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Plague Black Blaming EU gov for online gaming prices?!? Best one today, thanks for the giggle
More research next time, before giggling.
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Becham
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:07:00 -
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There is a silver lining. Simply by playing Eve you get things like health coverage :p
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Leine
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:09:00 -
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American universities developed the internet from 1973 to 1983, with the public release in 1983.
So america gets to reap all the benefits. Deal with it :)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
As already said, VAT is only 17.5%. The price difference is almost double that. -----------------------------------------------
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 29/11/2006 15:11:22
Originally by: Admai Sket i clicked the link here, and the first thing i notice is:
" What is a taxable person? "
erm.... shouldn't that be 'who' ?
Warning: Individualist thoughts detected!
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Wrangler The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
As already said, VAT is only 17.5%. The price difference is almost double that.
The Iceland VAT is 24.5 percent, which is what they are required to charge EU customers, regardless of where the EU customer lives.
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AlexCA
Amarr De Valken BV
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Admai Sket
Originally by: Wrangler The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
i clicked the link here, and the first thing i notice is:
" What is a taxable person? "
erm.... shouldn't that be 'who' ?
taxable persons can be companies aswell afaik. legal entity its called in english I think?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Wrangler The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
As already said, VAT is only 17.5%. The price difference is almost double that.
The Iceland VAT is 24.5 percent, which is what they are required to charge EU customers, regardless of where the EU customer lives.
Iceland isn't part of the EU. If Icelandic tax is being applied to European customers, it should be being applied to US customers too- their relationship to US and EU is the same.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the rules at play here. Please clarfy if you know. -----------------------------------------------
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 29/11/2006 17:52:16 double post -----------------------------------------------
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Hellcore
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Iceland isn't part of the EU. If Icelandic tax is being applied to European customers, it should be being applied to US customers too- their relationship to US and EU is the same.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the rules at play here. Please clarfy if you know.
If you are selling an item or service in a country, you are usually bound by that country's sales tax/law. Regardless of state membership or origin of the company.
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