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Tintifish
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:25:00 -
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Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
The difference is even more noticable when converted to GBP (im from the UK), because of it's current strength against the dollar. If we paid in USD we would be paying little over ú7.50, but paying Euros we are having to pay ú10.10. Over ú3.50 extra a month than are American friends??
It seems absurd that the price can be so hugely different for no reason other than location. No other MMO does this, most charging the $15 across the world, meaning even pricing.
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Tintifish
Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
The difference is even more noticable when converted to GBP (im from the UK), because of it's current strength against the dollar. If we paid in USD we would be paying little over ú7.50, but paying Euros we are having to pay ú10.10. Over ú3.50 extra a month than are American friends??
It seems absurd that the price can be so hugely different for no reason other than location. No other MMO does this, most charging the $15 across the world, meaning even pricing.
How much of that is VAT?
I have a friend who is a doctor in Austria, and he always sends me his list of clothes to buy for his children, because the VAT has made things riotously expensive there - so I buy his childrens' clothes (with his money), and mail them to him.
Saves him about 75% on the cost of clothes.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
Minmatar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:28:00 -
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Some of it is tax I believe, which they have to pay (operating the service out of london which is part of the european union) - The U.S.A. doesn't have VAT like we do.
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:31:00 -
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This has nothing to do with CCP, thank the European governements for this one :).
CCP still ftw.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:32:00 -
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VAT is 17.5% or so. That does account for most of it, but it still does leave about 12% extra money being charged unaccounted for.
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Plague Black
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:32:00 -
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VAT is 17.5%. It doesn't justify the price difference. It must be something else. CCP knows, ask them via email and they should reply.
P.S. Be polite
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Asm0dai
Disbelievers of Fate
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:32:00 -
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Buy GTC's from American resellers.
Problem Solved.
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Plague Black
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyano
This has nothing to do with CCP, thank the European governements for this one :).
CCP still ftw.
Blaming EU gov for online gaming prices?!? Best one today, thanks for the giggle
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Asm0dai
Buy GTC's from American resellers.
Problem Solved.
Actually you have to pay VAT for those too (if you live in the European Union), though most people just like to ignore that obligation.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:37:00 -
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blame america for importing/cosuming more than they're producing. and they tend to live on credit. the dollar will definately erode more the next couple of years so we might aswell look for a US gtc seller ^^
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Johnathan Roark
Caldari
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:44:00 -
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Also, keep in mind the exchange rate also fluctuates. It would get very silly if CCP adjusted there pricing to account for the exchange rate every time it changed. I remember them adjusting there pricing once before because of this, and they had been eating some of the difference before then.
Also, there may be other processing fees besides VAT that makes a difference.
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Tintifish
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tintifish on 29/11/2006 14:47:04
I had thought of finding a GTC seller, but you can never be sure about the legitimacy of some of these things, and it seems like a slightly unnecessary inconvenience. There's also that $15*17.5%=$17.50, which leaves another $2 over.
EDIT: The exchange rate doesnt look too much like reversing, it must be said ^^
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Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Robacz on 29/11/2006 14:52:51
Originally by: Tintifish
Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
The difference is even more noticable when converted to GBP (im from the UK), because of it's current strength against the dollar. If we paid in USD we would be paying little over ú7.50, but paying Euros we are having to pay ú10.10. Over ú3.50 extra a month than are American friends??
It seems absurd that the price can be so hugely different for no reason other than location. No other MMO does this, most charging the $15 across the world, meaning even pricing.
Cost for US player: $14.95
Cost for EU player including VAT 24.5%: ~ $19.68
Cost for EU player excluding VAT 24.5%: ~ $15.81
So EU player pays about $0.86 more at this moment, huge difference.  Price is +/- (depending on current USD/EUR ratio) same, but EU players have to pay VAT - Value Added Tax. This tax is 24.5% on Iceland. Icelandic companies have to add this tax to certain services provided to EU customers, its regulation from EU Commission. Also according to VAT law, VAT rate valid in selling company country is always applied, so VAT rate in your country is not important - Icelandic rate is applied.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tintifish
Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
I'm just wondering what kind of education you have had. The recent change in price is caused by fluctuations on the international currency markets. In recent weeks the US Dollar has been falling because the American economy is not doing as well as people thought and the EU economies are doing a lot better than people thought.
Other than that EU residents have to pay VAT on top of their subscription and that is levied by CCP on behalf of the EU. CCP would just as rather not charge us for that because it probably incurs additional administrative overhead for them.
Put simply:The pricing differences and changes are not CCP's fault. They are the result of various decisions made by several different governments.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:53:00 -
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I transfer funds to PayPal (and as the NOK is strong these days, at a very decent exchange rate even with PP) and buy GTC's from shatteredcrystal.
400 NOK = 63 USD in my paypal account
That means 1 USD = 6,3 apprx, or just around 94 NOK per GTC
1 Euro = 8,25 NOK, or just around 11,4Ç
1 GBP = 12,25 NOK, or just around ú7,7
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
blame america for importing/cosuming more than they're producing. and they tend to live on credit. the dollar will definately erode more the next couple of years so we might aswell look for a US gtc seller ^^
Maybe you haven't read the news, but a lot of people in the UK live on credit as well. When I was in London this spring, it was apparently a major news issue - so many people carrying so much consumer debt that there is NO hope of even making the interest payments - in the UK.
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nickky01
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:57:00 -
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yeah i totally just paid like...$2.00 US per gallon of gas to
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:57:00 -
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The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted. 
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:00:00 -
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well, then expect the island-dollar to join the us-dollar. just not as fast as the americans who import all kinds of stuff from mostly china without producing/export nearly enough - the dollar is supposed to cover less value and therefore will (have to) adept.
if more countries decide to bunker their eserves in another currency, the euro for example, the spiral will gain speed
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
i clicked the link here, and the first thing i notice is:
" What is a taxable person? "
erm.... shouldn't that be 'who' ?
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Karunel
Nuevos Horizontes
O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Plague Black
Blaming EU gov for online gaming prices?!? Best one today, thanks for the giggle
More research next time, before giggling.
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Becham
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:07:00 -
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There is a silver lining. Simply by playing Eve you get things like health coverage :p
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Leine
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:09:00 -
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American universities developed the internet from 1973 to 1983, with the public release in 1983.
So america gets to reap all the benefits. Deal with it :)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
As already said, VAT is only 17.5%. The price difference is almost double that.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 29/11/2006 15:11:22
Originally by: Admai Sket
i clicked the link here, and the first thing i notice is:
" What is a taxable person? "
erm.... shouldn't that be 'who' ?
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Wrangler
The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
As already said, VAT is only 17.5%. The price difference is almost double that.
The Iceland VAT is 24.5 percent, which is what they are required to charge EU customers, regardless of where the EU customer lives.
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AlexCA
Amarr
De Valken BV
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Admai Sket
Originally by: Wrangler
The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
i clicked the link here, and the first thing i notice is:
" What is a taxable person? "
erm.... shouldn't that be 'who' ?
taxable persons can be companies aswell afaik. legal entity its called in english I think?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Wrangler
The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
As already said, VAT is only 17.5%. The price difference is almost double that.
The Iceland VAT is 24.5 percent, which is what they are required to charge EU customers, regardless of where the EU customer lives.
Iceland isn't part of the EU. If Icelandic tax is being applied to European customers, it should be being applied to US customers too- their relationship to US and EU is the same.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the rules at play here. Please clarfy if you know.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 29/11/2006 17:52:16
double post
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Hellcore
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Iceland isn't part of the EU. If Icelandic tax is being applied to European customers, it should be being applied to US customers too- their relationship to US and EU is the same.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the rules at play here. Please clarfy if you know.
If you are selling an item or service in a country, you are usually bound by that country's sales tax/law. Regardless of state membership or origin of the company.
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Sean Dillon
Caldari
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:53:00 -
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Just buy Game time cards as a euro player, they dont charge those in euros if you do it right. It saved me some money last time I did.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 29/11/2006 18:03:16
Originally by: Patch86
Iceland isn't part of the EU. If Icelandic tax is being applied to European customers, it should be being applied to US customers too- their relationship to US and EU is the same.
They're a member of the European Economic Area...
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:05:00 -
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Why does a person in the UK pay ten times as much for a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts as compared to a person in the US?
They're made on location - not shipped across the ocean from the US to the UK. So what is the reason?
Why are the Starbucks coffee cups in the UK smaller than the ones in the US - and you pay more for the coffee in any case?
Why did it take me a month to get a phone line installed in London - and another whole month to get broadband, when I got all of that installed in the US in three days?
Mmmm?
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Shao Lyn
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Tintifish
Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
I'm just wondering what kind of education you have had. The recent change in price is caused by fluctuations on the international currency markets. In recent weeks the US Dollar has been falling because the American economy is not doing as well as people thought and the EU economies are doing a lot better than people thought.
Other than that EU residents have to pay VAT on top of their subscription and that is levied by CCP on behalf of the EU. CCP would just as rather not charge us for that because it probably incurs additional administrative overhead for them.
Put simply:The pricing differences and changes are not CCP's fault. They are the result of various decisions made by several different governments.
You are kidding I hope in the bolded part. EU economies are, shall we say lackluster at best, while the US has the strongest growing economy in the world, it still has not hiccupped as many have expected. The main reason for the difference in the value is due to interest rates within the US vs. outside the US. If I take $1 mil USD and invest it in a savings account I get much less return than if I invest it in the EU with their higher interest rate for the same savings account. That's a bit simplistic, and there are of course the rumours of the US economic leadership artificially deflating the dollar to lightly punish their allies for past "transgressions." This comes from the fact that many EU industries are finding it very hard to remain competetive in the US market due to the valuation of the Dollar vs. the Euro.
Bottom line, wait 5 years and it will most likely swing back the other way, and then all the US players can complain about how the Euros are only paying $10 to their $15 or whatever it becomes...
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Edited by: Hllaxiu on 29/11/2006 18:03:16
Originally by: Patch86
Iceland isn't part of the EU. If Icelandic tax is being applied to European customers, it should be being applied to US customers too- their relationship to US and EU is the same.
They're a member of the European Economic Area...
Ah, that sounds like a sensible answer.
Still seems odd that I, in a country with 17.5% tax, have to pay 25% tax, while US, a country with 0% tax, pays 0% tax. Makes little sense- either you pay the tax of the country you're in (as US does) or you pay the tax of the country the company is in (as UK does). I'm not sure I understand what criteria has me paying 25% and Americans paying 0%...................
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Harisdrop
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:21:00 -
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Funny thing is I pay in dollars. A dollar is worth a dollar.
Do EU pay in dollars? Do you have to converter you money to dollars for you subscription?
Does CCP convert our money to ISK?
Seems like a point of economies and not anything bad.
Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead
. Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
Funny thing is I pay in dollars. A dollar is worth a dollar.
Do EU pay in dollars? Do you have to converter you money to dollars for you subscription?
Does CCP convert our money to ISK?
Seems like a point of economies and not anything bad.
Economics hurt my head 
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Still seems odd that I, in a country with 17.5% tax, have to pay 25% tax, while US, a country with 0% tax, pays 0% tax. Makes little sense- either you pay the tax of the country you're in (as US does) or you pay the tax of the country the company is in (as UK does). I'm not sure I understand what criteria has me paying 25% and Americans paying 0%...................
Try reading the link Wrangler gave. Especially the part where it says "For the purpose of exports between the Community and non-member countries, no VAT is charged on the transaction "
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Patch86
Still seems odd that I, in a country with 17.5% tax, have to pay 25% tax, while US, a country with 0% tax, pays 0% tax. Makes little sense- either you pay the tax of the country you're in (as US does) or you pay the tax of the country the company is in (as UK does). I'm not sure I understand what criteria has me paying 25% and Americans paying 0%...................
Try reading the link Wrangler gave. Especially the part where it says "For the purpose of exports between the Community and non-member countries, no VAT is charged on the transaction "
Hmm, so members of the EEA are treated as internal members of the EU in terms of inport / export?
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Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Thor Xian on 29/11/2006 18:32:09
Ultimately, you all chose to be taxed more.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Hmm, so members of the EEA are treated as internal members of the EU in terms of inport / export?
You learn something new every day
Hmm maybe I was a bit confused by the mention of the EEA earlier. I guess EU citizens are being taxed on the basis of this: "However, as far as imports are concerned, VAT must be paid at the moment the goods are imported so they are immediately placed on the same footing as equivalent goods produced in the Community."
Either way, the fault (if there is a fault) with this is not CCP, but EU legislation.
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Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Ah, that sounds like a sensible answer.
Still seems odd that I, in a country with 17.5% tax, have to pay 25% tax, while US, a country with 0% tax, pays 0% tax. Makes little sense- either you pay the tax of the country you're in (as US does) or you pay the tax of the country the company is in (as UK does). I'm not sure I understand what criteria has me paying 25% and Americans paying 0%...................
USA is not member of EU or EEA. Thats why. Iceland is member of EEA so it uses joint EU VAT system. Only EU/EEA residents have to pay EU's VAT.
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Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:35:00 -
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Gotcha. I just wasn't aware EEA and EU shared the import / export rule.
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ToxicFire
Warlords Corp
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:36:00 -
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I rember reading on one of the goverment taxation sites that you don't have to pay vat on any import with a market value below 18 pound sterling.
GTC's come under that boundry soo.... and the ammount of business shattered crystal does with the EU in terms of GTC's is large and they've never stated anything about it.
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
So EU player pays about $0.86 more at this moment
I'll pay the OP $0.86 a month to never post on the forums again.
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Rodsy
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:14:00 -
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Easy solution: Increase the price for Americans!
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Helplessandlost
Minmatar
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rodsy
Easy solution: Increase the price for Americans!
How about no!
Can't help it if you guys have VAT tax and we don't why should we suffer again? How about you pay all my sales taxes on everything else I buy?
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:40:00 -
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i love how the world econemy runs around the american dollar but no one ever realizes it or accepts it.
paying more sucks :shrug: - we need a 1 world currency and a cashless society.
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Turin
Caldari
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shao Lyn
Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Tintifish
EU economies are, shall we say lackluster at best, while the US has the strongest growing economy in the world, it still has not hiccupped as many have expected.
Actually, China has the fastest growing economy in the world.
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Turin
Caldari
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: JeffieTheClam
i love how the world econemy runs around the american dollar but no one ever realizes it or accepts it.
paying more sucks :shrug: - we need a 1 world currency and a cashless society.
! currency wouldnt be a bad though, though given the desparity between markets in differant countries, it would be fairly un-obtainable at the moment.
As for a cashless society. No thank you. I value my privacy ( as much as we have these days ) and dont want to have yet another means of tracking my activities and so forth.
Besides, since pot is illegal here, how would i buy my drugs without cash? :)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Turin
Originally by: JeffieTheClam
i love how the world econemy runs around the american dollar but no one ever realizes it or accepts it.
paying more sucks :shrug: - we need a 1 world currency and a cashless society.
! currency wouldnt be a bad though, though given the desparity between markets in differant countries, it would be fairly un-obtainable at the moment.
As for a cashless society. No thank you. I value my privacy ( as much as we have these days ) and dont want to have yet another means of tracking my activities and so forth.
Besides, since pot is illegal here, how would i buy my drugs without cash? :)
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zoondab
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:21:00 -
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It is very, very simple no need to think about tax etc. CCP charge more in Europe because they know people will pay it. They are in business to make money and set price at a level to maximise profit. Capitalism in action and you can't blame it anymore than a natural force. Our power as consumer is the choice to pay it or not.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
Does CCP convert our money to ISK?
Seems like a point of economies and not anything bad.
Yes, they do. So depending on which one is stronger to the ISK, CCP may actually be making less off of Euro players than they do off US ones, which was true the last time I checked. So, really, they should raise the price for Euros even more to compensate for their loss.
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Varity
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Helplessandlost
Originally by: Rodsy
Easy solution: Increase the price for Americans!
How about no!
Can't help it if you guys have VAT tax and we don't why should we suffer again? How about you pay all my sales taxes on everything else I buy?
Sales tax IS VAT hun.
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E'Arynn
Caldari
Cadian Special Operations Command
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: E''Arynn on 30/11/2006 21:20:56
Edited by: E''Arynn on 30/11/2006 21:19:35
Originally by: JeffieTheClam
i love how the world econemy runs around the american dollar but no one ever realizes it or accepts it.
paying more sucks :shrug: - we need a 1 world currency and a cashless society.
The dollar is largly ignored by world economy - the pound is king.
The dollar has no substance.
I'm sure if you want to argue it this ain't the place ;)
And unless the pound is our single currency, I'm gonna have to pass. One change is enough for this lifetime, and I don't want to be figuring out a new one.
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Max Tesla
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:27:00 -
[56]
Just buy a time card they are in dollars ;)
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Vladimir Ilych
Hidden Industrial Group
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:29:00 -
[57]
CCP do not control the exchange rates of nation states. To the OP. Get a grip.
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Dal Thrax
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:42:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Admai Sket
Originally by: Wrangler
The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
i clicked the link here, and the first thing i notice is:
" What is a taxable person? "
erm.... shouldn't that be 'who' ?
No what. Corporations are considered legal persons in the US and I believe Europe. Therefor "what is a taxable person" includes "is this company set up under the laws of Zambia a taxable person under EU law or are the individual shareholders."
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Lysit Kaune
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Posted - 2006.11.30 21:53:00 -
[59]
Where theres a will theres a way.
Buy GTC from Crystal Shard, works out at about ú8.10 (About 12 euros), problem solved.
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xenorx
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:11:00 -
[60]
Oh FFS, cant you just feel the American hate in the OP. EU currency has gone up in value against the dollar. So What! In most cases you dont even notice the day to day change. That 15 dollars I spend every month feels just the same to me as the 15 dollars I spent 3 years ago when the euro was worth about .75 against the dollar. Guess what, I didnt complain about it.
I suggest you need to take a break if you only have currency rates to worry about. Take advantage of them. Trade you euros for dollars so you will have more money to spend and then go to Florida on holiday.
Than relax and dont forget your sun screen. Also remember not to fall asleep under a coconut tree.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:15:00 -
[61]
LOL at Euro whiners.
They had a discount on EVE for years. At one time the price for Euros and the US was close but CCP still took the VAT out.
That meant CCP actually charged Eurose less than US customers. I mentioned this once back then and all the Euros flamed me.
In the US we pay most of our taxes based on income. In Europe you pay most of you taxes based on purcheses.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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PAY FREE
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Posted - 2006.11.30 22:25:00 -
[62]
Edited by: PAY FREE on 30/11/2006 22:25:26
There is a way to avoid paying in euro.
Do a search for US proxy server, using the proxy to log into the eve site. By doing this, CCP server will recognize your IP from US. Then you will be able to pay using USD.
Or
Alternatively, buy GTC
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:25:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Ghoest
LOL at Euro whiners.
In the US we pay most of our taxes based on income. In Europe you pay most of you taxes based on purcheses.
We have income tax too.
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PAY FREE
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:38:00 -
[64]
Yeah, Euro players can pay cheaper using this method.
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Rimhawk
Caldari
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:40:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Rimhawk on 30/11/2006 23:40:45
Originally by: Grez
Originally by: Ghoest
LOL at Euro whiners.
In the US we pay most of our taxes based on income. In Europe you pay most of you taxes based on purcheses.
We have income tax too.
And it's generally higher than that of the US. In my country we have several rates for example. Rounding down, for the first 16,000 or so we pay 33%. From 16,000 to 30,000 we pay 40%. From 30,000 to 51,000 we pay 42%, and for anything above that we pay 52%. And until recently that used to be about 5% higher on average.
And then we pay 1.2% tax over any savings or assets that we have over 10,000, and then add the 19% VAT....
So don't start about income tax please...
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Rimhawk
Winds of Vengeance (W8V) |
Eschwen
Gas Giant Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:03:00 -
[66]
Originally by: E'Arynn
Edited by: E''Arynn on 30/11/2006 21:20:56
Edited by: E''Arynn on 30/11/2006 21:19:35
Originally by: JeffieTheClam
i love how the world econemy runs around the american dollar but no one ever realizes it or accepts it.
paying more sucks :shrug: - we need a 1 world currency and a cashless society.
The dollar is largly ignored by world economy - the pound is king.
The dollar has no substance.
I'm sure if you want to argue it this ain't the place ;)
And unless the pound is our single currency, I'm gonna have to pass. One change is enough for this lifetime, and I don't want to be figuring out a new one.
ORLY?
Information on the USD
Information on the GBP
Keypoints from the linked Wikipedia articles:
- "...the U.S. dollar today is the most-used - though not the strongest - currency in the world."
- "At the present time, the U.S. dollar remains the world's foremost reserve currency..."
- "The United States dollar is the most important reserve currency in the world today. At the mid-point of 2006, 65.4% of the identified official foreign exchange reserves in the world were held in United States dollars, 25.4% in euros, 4.2% in pound sterling, and 3.3% in Japanese yen, according to the IMF."
- "The dollar is also used as the standard unit of currency in international markets for commodities such as gold and petroleum. Even foreign companies with little direct presence in the United States, such as the European company Airbus, list and sell their products in dollars"
Interestingly:
- "Two British dependencies also use the U.S. dollar: the British Virgin Islands (1959) and Turks and Caicos Islands (1973)."
And finally:
- "Following the adoption of the euro, sterling became the oldest currency in use, and is the third most traded currency in the world, after the US dollar and the euro."
- "Since leaving gold, there have been several attempts to peg the value of the pound to other currencies, initially the U.S. dollar."
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Dorian Kartel
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:19:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Dorian Kartel on 01/12/2006 00:20:59
Just for general reference as I haven't seen anyone mention it in the topic, the reason US customers don't have to pay US Sales Tax is because the US hasn't really sorted out how it wants to handle taxing online sales and the current policy is that you are only taxed on goods/services for online sales if the company has an official presence (gets more complicated than that, but this is the simple version) in your state.
Edit:
That and the added tax on CCPs end is because the seller is tax with the VAT, whereas in the US the seller is rarely ever taxed (only happens in specific situations)
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:19:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Rimhawk
So don't start about income tax please...
I pay $185 a month for basic health insurance, what do you pay?
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Dorian Kartel
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:22:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Rimhawk
So don't start about income tax please...
I pay $185 a month for basic health insurance, what do you pay?
Yeah but you (we, since I'm a US Citizen too) usually get a better level of health-care (when we pay for it).
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:25:00 -
[70]
Oh I don't know about that. When I had my apendix out a few years ago, I had a private ward in a brand new hospital, TV attatched to the bed, free phone calls, no major bothces or infections (you'd really think that'd be first on the list, wouldn't you? ) and all on the government's pocket.
I call that the best time one can have with a life threatening illness
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:27:00 -
[71]
(/me is from EU)
I guess that's why we'll pay the next Playstation 600Ç (ouch) and late, US get it now at $600 with Japan at i can't remeber but somthing close to 450Ç.
What will it does is noone will be buy it here. Same for other goods... Do we really need US or japoneese car ? We have the same and they cost less to us.
World economy is strange in the way it's still working like that.
I'm planning to buy a few k bucks in a month or two 
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:28:00 -
[72]
I'm not sure whether this thread is funny or sad. Even if it is funny, it's not very funny. No, it really is more sad actually.
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EVE is upside down!
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2006.12.01 01:01:00 -
[73]
i live in the uk and am always charged in dollars.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.01 01:07:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 01/12/2006 01:10:28
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 01/12/2006 01:08:45
Originally by: Wrangler
The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
Mm-hum.
ú15. Per xe.com, 1 euro = $1.32502 . That's $19.87. Add 17.5% VAT to $15, and you get $17.63
$19.87 | $17.63
Pull the other one, sorry. Other MMO's *do* charge VAT - they have a base charge which is the same in all counties and add VAT for European customers. The difference isn't enough to bother me, but the claim you made does.
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Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar
Freedom for All
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Posted - 2006.12.01 01:20:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Pherusa Plumosa on 01/12/2006 01:23:54
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Rimhawk
So don't start about income tax please...
I pay $185 a month for basic health insurance, what do you pay?
I pay NOTHING for my health insurance and NOTHING for pharmaceuticals because I am still student and I have no income. I could get up to 580 Ç credit per month from my federal state if my parents couldn't effort my studies, non-interest-bearing, and and I had only to pay back 70% of it or only half of it if I get good grades.
But I pay 19% VAT for Eve-Gametime cards. That's fair, considering the fact that I will not sleep under bridges with rotten teeth and without a cent, because my country gives me an appartment, health insurance, retirement pay,
and 354,00Ç up to 3.817,00Ç (If my husband and me and my seven children younger than 13 were hindered, I was pregnant with appartmend and extracharges of 700 Ç)
if I don't get a job. (Theoretically, I could stay at home, play Eve and get 354 Ç per month. )
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Pooka
Caldari
United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2006.12.01 01:32:00 -
[76]
OK quick question.
If the game was based in the US would yoyu be willing to pay more??
Proud memmber of the 3
Word: p·ca (POO-kuh) [pu:k@] Meaning: p·ca = goblin, sprite, pooka
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Sylper Illysten
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Posted - 2006.12.01 01:44:00 -
[77]
Try living in Australia, we really get screwed on the transaction as the currency conversion rates for boht the Euro and US$ leav us paying 25% to 30% more + currency conversion charges.
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Cammulos
Magnetar Ltd
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2006.12.01 02:15:00 -
[78]
Being the lone Hyperpower in the world has its benefits.
So.....deal with it.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.12.01 02:31:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Grez
Originally by: Ghoest
LOL at Euro whiners.
In the US we pay most of our taxes based on income. In Europe you pay most of you taxes based on purcheses.
We have income tax too.
Sounds like instead of complaining to CCP, you need to do some politicing. 
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.01 05:58:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Dorian Kartel
Edited by: Dorian Kartel on 01/12/2006 00:20:59
Just for general reference as I haven't seen anyone mention it in the topic, the reason US customers don't have to pay US Sales Tax is because the US hasn't really sorted out how it wants to handle taxing online sales and the current policy is that you are only taxed on goods/services for online sales if the company has an official presence (gets more complicated than that, but this is the simple version) in your state.
Edit:
That and the added tax on CCPs end is because the seller is tax with the VAT, whereas in the US the seller is rarely ever taxed (only happens in specific situations)
The main problem is that every state sets its own sales tax levels. So unless we get a universal, US-wide sales tax rate, not bloody likely, it can't happen.
Originally by: Troy Knight
[After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
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Ragnar forumwarrior
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Posted - 2006.12.01 06:20:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Agent Li
Why does a person in the UK pay ten times as much for a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts as compared to a person in the US?
Because the EU cares about your health
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Dorian Kartel
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Posted - 2006.12.01 06:28:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 01/12/2006 01:10:28
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 01/12/2006 01:08:45
Originally by: Wrangler
The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
Mm-hum.
ú15. Per xe.com, 1 euro = $1.32502 . That's $19.87. Add 17.5% VAT to $15, and you get $17.63
$19.87 | $17.63
Pull the other one, sorry. Other MMO's *do* charge VAT - they have a base charge which is the same in all counties and add VAT for European customers. The difference isn't enough to bother me, but the claim you made does.
It helps if you actually read the full thread before posting. As has been pointed out before, the VAT percentage levied against Iceland is not 17.5% but 24.5% (If I remember correctly, if you couldn't be bothered to read it I figured I couldn't either)
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.01 06:51:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Ghoest
LOL at Euro whiners.
They had a discount on EVE for years. At one time the price for Euros and the US was close but CCP still took the VAT out.
That meant CCP actually charged Eurose less than US customers. I mentioned this once back then and all the Euros flamed me.
In the US we pay most of our taxes based on income. In Europe you pay most of you taxes based on purcheses.
Umm Euros pay tax on everything.
I'm surprised their taxes are not taxed. I'm sure they will work that out sooner or later.
Socialism ftl
And before someone mentions the 'free' medical care, you boys pay more in your taxes out of your pay checks for that 'free' care (provided you have a job) than I pay for my insurance using pre-tax dollars. It is good if you are unemployed of course.
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Nate D
Naughty Ambitious Temptatious Endeavours
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Posted - 2006.12.01 06:58:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Robacz
Cost for US player: $14.95
Cost for EU player including VAT 24.5%: ~ $19.68
Cost for EU player excluding VAT 24.5%: ~ $15.81
So EU player pays about $0.86 more at this moment, huge difference. Price is +/- (depending on current USD/EUR ratio) same, but EU players have to pay VAT - Value Added Tax. This tax is 24.5% on Iceland. Icelandic companies have to add this tax to certain services provided to EU customers, its regulation from EU Commission. Also according to VAT law, VAT rate valid in selling company country is always applied, so VAT rate in your country is not important - Icelandic rate is applied.
Guess you guys will get Voice chat for free since it costs 80ó per month
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Loud Speaker
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Posted - 2006.12.01 07:08:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Herculite
Umm Euros pay tax on everything.
I'm surprised their taxes are not taxed. I'm sure they will work that out sooner or later.
Socialism ftl
And before someone mentions the 'free' medical care, you boys pay more in your taxes out of your pay checks for that 'free' care (provided you have a job) than I pay for my insurance using pre-tax dollars. It is good if you are unemployed of course.
That is until your HMO/Insurance Company or whatever BS they have deciding priority for cases in the states decides that the particular treatment you require isn't covered and you have to mortgage your house to pay for the medical procedure.
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Yolan
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.01 07:16:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Yolan on 01/12/2006 07:16:49
I am glad to pay more for my eve subscription here in the UK than I would if I lived in the US.
Mostly because I know if I turn up at my local hospital with my arm hanging off after a car accident they wont check my insurance level and decide wether to give me the trainee butcher or the experienced craftsman to patch me up!
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.12.01 07:39:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Herculite
Umm Euros pay tax on everything.
I'm surprised their taxes are not taxed. I'm sure they will work that out sooner or later.
Socialism ftl
And before someone mentions the 'free' medical care, you boys pay more in your taxes out of your pay checks for that 'free' care (provided you have a job) than I pay for my insurance using pre-tax dollars. It is good if you are unemployed of course.
Sadly, I have to say "QFT" because here in Finland I pay 30% from my income taxes alone. Then I pay 1.2Ç per gasoline litre, almost most higest prices of food due taxing (They are adding "fast food tax" soon), roads that I use are in horrible condition, "free medical service" isn't free (Had to pay 150Ç for vacacine that was free 3 year ago!) - if you want real medical help you have to get medical insurance (which you don't get if your bit overweigth) and I pay taxes FROM taxes already.
Great being able to support freeloaders and "people who enriches my culture". 
I know I will prolly get warned by saying this but .. it's not a free world anymore. If you say bad things like this, you will be punished .. sadly 
"It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö"
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Posted - 2006.12.01 07:52:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
blame america for importing/cosuming more than they're producing. and they tend to live on credit.
Yep... but try to pay cash everywhere you go, and get charged for removing your own money from an atm... and you'll understand. 
The importing/consuming thing just has to do with Americans demanding higher wages (due to cost of living) than companies are willing to pay, so the send the labor elsewhere where they can pay people $10 USD a day for work, rather than $10-$25 an hour.
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FreeHansje3
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Posted - 2006.12.01 08:23:00 -
[89]
Quote:
I'm surprised their taxes are not taxed. I'm sure they will work that out sooner or later.
[Political Hack] Hm, not a bad idea...After all, we make costs to collect these taxes...workers, offices, officesupplies... Have to suggest this next party meeting..(gnagna)
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.01 12:28:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Voculus on 01/12/2006 12:29:11
Originally by: Loud Speaker
That is until your HMO/Insurance Company or whatever BS they have deciding priority for cases in the states decides that the particular treatment you require isn't covered and you have to mortgage your house to pay for the medical procedure.
So you're saying life-saving surgeries are not really worth paying for?
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ObiDoom Kenobi
Gallente
The Knighthawks
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.01 12:35:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Tintifish
Im just wondering how CCP can still justify charging 15 euros for european players, and 15 USD for American players. The Euro has just broken the $1.30 mark, meaning that European players are paying about $19.75 for an identical service to what those in the states are getting.
It probably has something to do with the fact that TGI Friday's potato skins cost nearly twice as much in the UK as they do in the USA.
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Uggster
Caldari
Never'where
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Posted - 2006.12.01 12:44:00 -
[92]
We Euros have to subsidise the US players extra schooling so they can understand Irony and sarcasm
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Story of my life that one :(
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ObiDoom Kenobi
Gallente
The Knighthawks
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.01 12:46:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Rodsy
Easy solution: Increase the price for Americans!
No, the last thing you want to do is reduce competitiveness with other online games.
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Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.01 12:46:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 01/12/2006 01:10:28
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 01/12/2006 01:08:45
Originally by: Wrangler
The difference in price is because of the VAT as a lot of people have already posted.
Mm-hum.
ú15. Per xe.com, 1 euro = $1.32502 . That's $19.87. Add 17.5% VAT to $15, and you get $17.63
$19.87 | $17.63
Mm-hum. VAT on Iceland is 21.5%, not 17.5%. 
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Iskvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2006.12.01 13:22:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Yolan
Edited by: Yolan on 01/12/2006 07:16:49
I am glad to pay more for my eve subscription here in the UK than I would if I lived in the US.
Mostly because I know if I turn up at my local hospital with my arm hanging off after a car accident they wont check my insurance level and decide wether to give me the trainee butcher or the experienced craftsman to patch me up!
The flipside being that you might have to wait seven hours to be addressed. I know I'm not confident in Iceland's health services being snappy on the uptake.
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