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Alex Under Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 18:31:00 - [31] Originally by: Allen Deckard Personally I think limiting it to one region at a time is going to further condense people. My reasoning is I tend to look in my current region then in maybe 1 other and the other is what I consider to be the most populated to get the most results. I see this as regions that done have high population being neglected forcing these peeps to move their goods to populated areas. The old escrow system showed all regions which was one way for people in outlying areas to "feel" connected to hubs at least a little. Couldn't agree with you more. Just means that J-MART (JITA - The Wal-Mart of EVE Online) will become even more crowded and condensed then ever before as people move their stuff to a more centralized location to be put onto Auction/Escrow.
Two step Amarr Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.29 18:39:00 - [32] How about letting people put contracts into groups, like the way the market is organized? Sure someone will want to sell a batch of items together, but those can all go into some "other" bin. I should be able to easily see all the cruise missile launchers in all regions.
Naal Morno ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.29 18:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Two step How about letting people put contracts into groups, like the way the market is organized? Sure someone will want to sell a batch of items together, but those can all go into some "other" bin. I should be able to easily see all the cruise missile launchers in all regions. Isn't that what market is for? Now if only CCP put ALL (faction/officer) items on market we would not have this discussion and people would not use Contracts for normal sales/purchases. _________________________________________ Once I thought T2 BPO Lottery is a problem... Then I've become a part of problem and I relized that previously I was just plain jealous.
Exxt Eternal Silence Ltd.	Posted - 2006.11.29 18:52:00 - [34] Edited by: Exxt on 29/11/2006 18:54:59 Edited by: Exxt on 29/11/2006 18:54:18 ...the triumph of the form over the functionality. The new style was clearly thought for the casual user not for the trader. To be able to actually find something there a good first step to fix it would be to put all the info in columns not in 3 rows for every contract - it will allow for more rows and you can hide useless colums (useless - as in whatever someone doesn't want to know, like region, when you can look on a sigle region anyway, or name of the seller). Make it possible to sort on the columns... I never thought i would miss the horrible escrow system Edit: Yes, or do what Naal said - put everything on the market, leave the contracts only for BPs, pack deals and other stuff.
Alex Under Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 18:59:00 - [35] Originally by: Naal Morno Isn't that what market is for? Now if only CCP put ALL (faction/officer) items on market we would not have this discussion and people would not use Contracts for normal sales/purchases. Good throught, unfortunately putting the Faction/Officer items on the market still won't solve anything, since you can only view one Region at a time on the Market.
Megadon Caldari Deathshead Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 19:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Ayla Vanir Edited by: Ayla Vanir on 29/11/2006 16:53:55 Originally by: Oveur Originally by: KIAEddZ Make the information more concise, and clearly highlight the important information. Do you care to share what you feel is the important information. F*** me silly and call me Susan, but in EVE, everyone has their own opinion on what's important Susan, I like the amount of info. I don't want less info than what is there now. With that in mind, the improvements I'd like to see in order of importance are: column sort function. search by item. resizeable multi-item contract detail view window. search by individual item across the universe. Agreed. The way it is now, each item takes up THREE (3) rows of info whereas before you had more information in ONE (1) row on the display screen. So this is not progress. A blind cat with a severe head wound can cogitate this. If CCP thinks this is progress I would refer people to the fact that they also think that: Green = Bad scan Yellow = Low probability scan Red = Good scan huh?
Kaljostro	Posted - 2006.11.29 19:36:00 - [37] Sry, slightly offtopic, but i'm concerned. I'm not sure i understand the new contracts system correctly, but a very good friend and long-time EVE player just left the game after being extremely upset about it, and that makes me angry. The main reason: He is a trader. At the moment he has about 300 items which normally would have their place in escrow to be sold, but now he can only put up to 15 items (Contracts lvl V needed) up for sale. This ruins his whole specialization in this game, and i don't think he's the only one. I just want to know if i will see him again. You tell me.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.11.29 19:50:00 - [38] There was already a vibrant market for low-quality faction items and other stuff. Buy orders near the real escrow value to allow people who looted said item to unload without hassle. There are many faction items that are bought in the same way that t2 mods are: TS platings and EANMs, cap rechargers, low-end webbers and disruptors, faction ammo etc. You dont buy those items only once and treasure it for all eternity (like you would do with an estamel invul). They are for all intents and purposes consumables. Instead of making everything searchable (so that you dont need to maintain a quickbar), you made everything untradeable. Great idea. Make everything searchable ASAP (as in: tomorrow). It wont solve the problem with officer mods (sorry naal, but those are not ment for market ...), but at least it will help make this pathetic system a bit less pathetic. Jita will be bad with just high-end faction and officer mods. Imagine all the low-end spam. Imagine Jita hitting 2k. Infact the only thing preventing Jita from hitting 2k in the future are the bad servers. Making the most effective way to play the game the one that puts the biggest strain on the server ... sounds familiar, doesnt it?
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.11.29 19:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Kaljostro Sry, slightly offtopic, but i'm concerned. I'm not sure i understand the new contracts system correctly, but a very good friend and long-time EVE player just left the game after being extremely upset about it, and that makes me angry. The main reason: He is a trader. At the moment he has about 300 items which normally would have their place in escrow to be sold, but now he can only put up to 15 items (Contracts lvl V needed) up for sale. This ruins his whole specialization in this game, and i don't think he's the only one. I just want to know if i will see him again. You tell me. Did you get his stuff ?
Ebedar Gallente Primary Intelligence	Posted - 2006.11.29 19:57:00 - [40] I just tried bidding on something in a different region and received this message: "This contract is the Heimatar region. You can only access outstanding public contracts in the region you are currently in." Am I missing something obvious or can you really only bid on auctions in the same region? ~ Balls > WCS
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:02:00 - [41] I think it's great. All of you "traders" that abused the escrow system now have to use the market as intended. I couldn't be happier about it. If you're farming up a dozen officer mods a week and you can't sell them fast enough to list them all, BOO HOO. But if you're selling regular mods on the old escrow system/new contract system you are abusing the system. Now you can't. Too bad for you. ______________________________________________ Such a heavy burden now to be the one Born to bear and bring to all The details of our ending
Warchild Lightningblade	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:15:00 - [42] Originally by: Oveur We'll be increasing the results pr. page to 50 (hopefully 100 if it doesn't create too much load). You will also be able to sort each result page. Down the line you'll have search based on categories instead of just selecting an item. Keep the feedback coming. Sorting "per page" is half-assed. The entire list needs to be sortable.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Locke DieDrake I think it's great. All of you "traders" that abused the escrow system now have to use the market as intended. I couldn't be happier about it. Oh yes, the people who actually used escrow since they nerfed the market, right. Because removing escrow entirely and replacing it with a useless eyesore which I cannot find an item I KNOW is on there (a friend placed it, at a certain price, in a certain system and its still up).. yea, that's PROGRESS. So, how long have you been a nihilist for? //Maya
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:49:00 - [44] Cut the flames, guys. By making contracts only searchable by region, you will guarantee that people will swarm to hubs, not disperse. I wanted to see what an implant was going for on escrow, so I naturally checked Jita/The Forge first... I'm know not the only one. Because of this, people will only sell in Jita, Oursulaert, and a couple of other hubs. This was intended to make regional markets more pronounced... but now all people are going to do is swarm Jita more, not less. If I wanted to escrow something before, I would set the escrow away from Jita, either below of above Jita prices... if it was scarce, people would pay the premium. If it was common, perhaps people would go a bit further to get the item if it was 10% cheaper. You can't do this anymore... I hated the lag that I got on escrow, but the lag was better than this current situtation. -----------------------------------------------
VortiK Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:50:00 - [45] Would be great to be able to sort item you want to put into a contract by Group like in the assets menu. What is a life, devoid of strife ?
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:54:00 - [46] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Cut the flames, guys. By making contracts only searchable by region, you will guarantee that people will swarm to hubs, not disperse. I wanted to see what an implant was going for on escrow, so I naturally checked Jita/The Forge first... I'm know not the only one. Because of this, people will only sell in Jita, Oursulaert, and a couple of other hubs. This was intended to make regional markets more pronounced... but now all people are going to do is swarm Jita more, not less. If I wanted to escrow something before, I would set the escrow away from Jita, either below of above Jita prices... if it was scarce, people would pay the premium. If it was common, perhaps people would go a bit further to get the item if it was 10% cheaper. You can't do this anymore... I hated the lag that I got on escrow, but the lag was better than this current situtation. No way in hell im flying up all the way up jita (more the other hubs) just make a few million more, or sell it 2 days faster. People need to realize that 2 mil isk, or a day of time on the market is not really worth the over-an-hour flight time to get there. I think thats the main problem with eve, people are too stupid and not lazy enough. =) __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
GreyMana	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:16:00 - [47] Originally by: Locke DieDrake I think it's great. All of you "traders" that abused the escrow system now have to use the market as intended. I couldn't be happier about it. If you're farming up a dozen officer mods a week and you can't sell them fast enough to list them all, BOO HOO. But if you're selling regular mods on the old escrow system/new contract system you are abusing the system. Now you can't. Too bad for you. Maybe a valid point for the regular stuff. But what's about BPCs? I know, selling Cruiser BPCs was not that moneymaker, but now having a max. of 15 BPCs in escrow (that's even less than different types exists). Additionally you have to pay tax for it. My first thought was: Selling them on the forums, but the 15 contracts are already including private contracts (which I didn't get to work, but that's more my stupidty I guess). We have inventions here, people might switch from Copy to Invention, creating a good market for BPCs...
Osiriis	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:26:00 - [48] Please make Contracts searchable and perhaps 1 line. Thank you for making it so people can't sell 1 item of carbon and list it as a Charon.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:27:00 - [49] Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 29/11/2006 21:34:43 Originally by: Locke DieDrake no comment Well, i can still do everything i could do before ... i have about 500 contract slots in a month i guess, if i really need them. Filling up a second alt corp will be a pain though. There are probably work-arounds for the tax. And i guess they fix the bug that limits searching to certain items (you cannot look for +5 implants, or gallente invention skill ... someone forgot to put it on market and on contract filter). You are right, contract system is a nerf to large parts of the eve population. Just not the loophole-abusing big traders. Alts in all hubs and a jumper will be enough to simulate global searches ... Thanks CCP for killing the poor one-account competition ... i made dozens of billions with escrow, and now you collapsed the entrance behind me so there will be no new competition coming up. Well, and i have to stop doing business myself, and use some random faceless alt employee to enter the stuff. No more Argenton Sayvers escrows ... Oh and they decreased the functionality of the market a lot by removing bulk items like COSMOS mission stuff and low-end faction items (those will now have to be sold via contracts - one contract for each TS plating, where before you could have put a stack of 10 on market), so i guess that makes you look like a random whiner who just wants to see people suffer. Originally by: Popsikle No way in hell im flying up all the way up jita (more the other hubs) just make a few million more, or sell it 2 days faster. Depending on what you are selling, you might not get rid of it at all. People will check: their home region, maybe regions somehow related to their home region (Forge, Lonetrek, Citadel for example), the region of the closest Hub (Heimatar, Domain, Essence) and Jita.
Wiggy69 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:46:00 - [50] The only two things I would like to see are: 1) Being able to search more than one region at once. 2) The 'search' box supporting wildcards (for example, if I wanted to look for a faction warp disruptor, I could type "* Warp Disruptor" and it would find all the True Sansha, Domi, Shadow Serp ones). ----- Wiggy's Bad Spelling and Grammar Complaints Department
Brungar Caldari Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:21:00 - [51] Originally by: KIAEddZ And make them smaller font or better layout so you get more per page, its a joke as it is. Really annoying system to use. I'm guessing it was designed by a graphic designer, not by someone with any inkling for useability. I mean... It's worse than trading in WoW now! "War is a continuation of commerce by other means" - Unknown Caldari philosopher
Brungar Caldari Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:23:00 - [52] Originally by: Locke DieDrake I think it's great. All of you "traders" that abused the escrow system now have to use the market as intended. I couldn't be happier about it. Yeah, indeed! Please enlighten me how to sell researched BPO's and BPC's on the regular market? Thank you. Bye. "War is a continuation of commerce by other means" - Unknown Caldari philosopher
Exxt Eternal Silence Ltd.	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:11:00 - [53] I might have an idea on how to fix the current system. Part of the behaviour of the new system is now as it is because it cuts the load on the servers. This is why you can see only 25 items at a time and why you can sort only on page and not all - to be able to sort on the entire escrow you need either to have the entire escrow list and do the query locally or to send the query to the db server and get the results. I don't know how large is the strain on the server to do the query but i suppose it is too large to use it as we would have already had it. So it remains to get the list and sort it locally on the client side. This is what the old escrow did - every time you opened the escrow it downloaded the available escrows. To keep the list smaller you got only a part of all the escrows. I believe this can still work better - with the new restrictions on the minimum price and number of escrows, and with the taxes, there will be way less items to send to clients. Secondly you can make the system to send only the new items to the client and not to update the old escrows (if this saves traffic) just make the client delete them automatically after expiry date or on checking the individual item. This way every client that uses escrow will have the entire list - the downsides being that you'll have a lot of already sold items and that the first load of the escrow will take a bit. Personally I wouldn't mind too much seeing the already sold items - I could even enjoy seeing them as a history of the price range for an item. Another way to improve it would be, as stated before, to put faction items on market. You wouldn't be able to look outside regions but at least you could sell or buy something if you want. The way it is now it is impossible to look for the best price on something, it is more like a lottery.
R Grainger	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:32:00 - [54] What bothers me (well, actually, my hauling alt) bigtime is you can't pick up courier contracts unless you are in-region. This restriction makes planning hauling runs a real PIA. Basically, to be sure you get the route you want, you first have to fly it in a shuttle or interceptor, pick up the courier contracts, then return to your ship base and actually run the haul in your industrial or freighter. Of course all this after you've searched every region for the courier contract offers in the first place. Gah!
Tanja Vulcano	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:13:00 - [55] the sell forums will be busier than ever
Morium Blue Order of the Lost Souls	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:48:00 - [56] The new contracts system is a very poor replacement for escrow, without the ability to browse (and in turn, catch someone's eye with a good item that they weren't necessarily looking for). Proper browsing requires a master list that we can sort by price and name. Without doubt, the interface is cleaner and it's certainly a lot harder to be scammed - you get a picture and clear info-box on the item, and unless you do 'Multiple items' it seems that the name of the actual item you are selling will always be clear to the buyer. Now, I do understand from the previous posters that a large part of the design brief behind this new system was to reduce server load - and that perhaps a full region list organised by price, would put more strain on it than the present system. However, if this is a legacy of server problems then I would say that for the first time we're seeing strange Frankenstein-like solutions that will be noticeable to the new player; the various option boxes visibly try and obscure the fact that we can't actually sort the list in the most obvious and logical manner. If I saw something like this in a rival MMORPG, I'd mark it down for lack of basic functionality. It's even worse because a new player wouldn't know the technical legacy for having it this way, and would just assume Eve doesn't use logical UIs. To be honest, if concerns about server lag mean that we can no longer, for example, sort a list alaphabetically, then the future seems kind of bleak
Kodiak31415 Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:58:00 - [57] My only problem with the new contract system is that each contract takes up 8x the space 1 escrow did and there are very very limited sorting options so browsing is really slow and clumsy. I see no problem with region only contracts, except that its just going to make jita worse than ever. _______________________________ Idea stolen from DS: T2 Synthetic oil. It will get drones to return to your bay!
Maglorre	Posted - 2006.11.30 06:58:00 - [58] Originally by: Oveur F* me silly and call me Susan, but in EVE, everyone has their own opinion on what's important /me leans over and grabs a smoke from the bedside table... OK, Silly Susan. I've really only got one little niggle that I've not seen anyone mention yet (althought I'm not a whorum so i mighta missed it). Whe you want to search for a certain type of item, you put in a string and it pops up a list to choose from. All fine and dandy and quite useful APART from the fact that it only seems to search on the start of the string and that it doesn't seem to allow you to search for some items. As an example, when I was playing with this last night I noticed that there was a "Caldari Navy Hookbill". So I thought, "cool, let's see what other hookbills there are" (not that I wanted one, I refuse to fly Caldari, the are just too ugly, I like to think of them as the 80's Volvos of EVE... "They're boxy, but they're good!"). Anyway, I typed in "hookbill".. and guess what, nothing matched (or maybe it did match the normal hookbill but not the navy one, I just had a **y lunch as it's my birthday so my memory is a bit hazy). So, to cut a long story short, I fiddled a bit (with the searches...) and came to the conclusion that the item search only matches the start of the item descriptions. I was also unable to get it to match the "caldari navy hookbill" that I could clearly see several of in the results without the type filter. So, I'm off to the pub now, have fun. Cheers
sensi	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:10:00 - [59] 'This contract is the The Forge region. You can only access outstanding public contracts in the region you are currently in.' You cant handle yo bizness remotely, and then go get it later at a more convenient time? I guess everybody's going to have a dedicated alt in Jita to deal with these cool contracts. wtf is the point of browsing contracts in other regions if you cant access them? And yeah... what these peeps said about sorting and fiting more than 10 random contracts on your screen sounds good to me.
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:57:00 - [60] Edited by: Grash Freedom on 30/11/2006 09:02:51 Escrow never had any serious problem other than the refresh escrow thing We got a new system that it was supposed to improve escrow, what we got is another version of the market, with no categorized items, not any good search function(you have to know what you are looking for to search for it, then if you find it, buy it but what if you want to buy stuff that you do not know they exist? how this can happen you tell me? for example gist 10mn mwds are not ingame atm, how the hell i will notice that the item got in? waste time over the forums and hope that someone will post it? Escrow was a nice tool where you had the ability to trade all over eve without being there, the bad side was the refresh escrow thing but, you can't have everything My suggestion Give the old escrow back but with much better search options, eg. date created, sort by real time created, sort by price, sort by seller, sort by region, sort by name of station, Min max price, search by name of item, title, block list( have a scammerlist similar to buddylist and add ppl in it) Well preaty much sounds like contracts, most of the above are already added, but they are not usefull, because of the way contracts looks, All we need is an excel like sheet with colums, and autofilter( this is a very cool function of excel where tho simple, is one of the most easy ways to specify rows(items) you want to see Although keep the new contract system for ingame auctions, freeform( i have no idea what this is yet), loans etc But plz CCP give the item exchange or whatever you have called it, back the way it used to look, but with new search fuctions, and better user managment, we are not after GUI or fansy grafics, we only need a system that is easy to use and easy to buy/sell stuff from it What you ve made is a new market, that looks like project entropia's trade really bad one Oh almost forgot,, all other contracts other than public, do not work Edit: something else i want to add can we have exrow packets? that you have preready so if an escrow expires, drops in an escrow box as it used to but you can re-escrow the box and all titles info is stored there so you do not have to write it again and again? Crazy and not going to happen i know, but.. worth a shot

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