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Fark
Gallente
Soul Collectors
DIES IRAE.
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:12:00 -
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Ok, Jita is now so full i ended up 260 odd in a jump que.
Would it be possible to have a 'deadspace' bypass area. where if you are not headed to jita as a destination. you can just bypass it without waiting 20 mins.
What you guys think?
*By deadspace i mean it isnt a solar system that magically appeared next to Jita. It is just a travel hub a few gates and a concord station? (maybe not  )
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:15:00 -
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I think a highway system with no stations/belts in would be a GOOD idea  .
Maybe add RP about it being a barren system, previously ignored because of it's lack of natural resources, finally linked to the gate network to cope with traffic problems in Jita.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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darklegionca
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:22:00 -
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yes i think we do need a "ring road" type of stargate system for people that are just passing though to another system
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framolia
Gallente
The 5th Amendment
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:27:00 -
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Maybe just have a "Select destination" option on all gates leading to Jita, so jump to the next system by-passing jita altogether.
Oh well , it was only an idea
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Fark
Gallente
Soul Collectors
DIES IRAE.
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:32:00 -
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 Originally by: framolia
Maybe just have a "Select destination" option on all gates leading to Jita, so jump to the next system by-passing jita altogether.
Oh well , it was only an idea
String gates togeather. people would say that it could be done all the way on there 100+ trips and it could get there in 5 seconds flat. defending 00 territory will be difficult if that was everywhere :P
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:34:00 -
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You would need a gate that could be camped...
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Oolok
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:37:00 -
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Good Idea.
And maybe in addition, don't let the agents
around Jita give out missions in Jita.
I had to do some missions in Perimeter cause
it was the only good level 3 agent of that Corp
and guess where most missions outside from
Perimeter where.
I think nobody wants/needs missions in Jita.
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maarud
Einherjar Incorporated
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:39:00 -
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2006.11.29 19:22:04 Notify Jita Traffic Control is currently experiencing heavy load and is unable to process your request. You are #373 in queue for jump-in.
I was just thinking the same thing, set autopilot, went to wash dishes, came back to that... what a circus
Maarud.
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Shakuul
Caldari
The Imperial Commonwealth
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: darklegionca
yes i think we do need a "ring road" type of stargate system for people that are just passing though to another system
If I remember correctly, they tried this already. A long time ago, Yulai was the commercial hub of the universe. Now, not so much. I dont know what determines empire hub location, but making a barren system will probably just shift lag to a single other system, so you get Jita 2.
I would recommend adding some kind of commercial incentive to stay out of Jita and other heavily populated systems. You could add a fee to all sales, paid by the buyer, of like 1% or .5%, maybe higher, to get people to buy elsewhere. You could reduce agent payoffs during that time period. You could have docking and gate fees for heavily populated systems. For those logging in, you could have an option to appear in another system (thus bypassing the queue).
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Aceoil
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:54:00 -
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I think we should be able to use a jumpgate to bypass Jita completely "if" we are just flying by it.
You would figure that CCP has made enough ISK from taxes to spring for a new jumpgate or a few more jumpgates.
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:02:00 -
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Didn't they already add in a bypass to Jita? Juuginshinianantatooi or something? There's a few systems "past" Jita that are like 9 vs 5 jumps away if you go around, but it's possible.
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Caldari
Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Fark
Would it be possible to have a 'deadspace' bypass area. where if you are not headed to jita as a destination. you can just bypass it without waiting 20 mins.
Sounds good, which system shall we demolish? How about Jita itself? 
It's a bypass! You gotta build bypasses!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:20:00 -
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Lesson learned- don't log out in Jita 
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:20:00 -
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Then one of the systems in the ring would become the new trade hub. You sell your stuff where people drive by...:)
Anyway, I _dont_ think its a good idea to have newbies doing level 1 missions in the market hub though... 
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Mochalatte
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:27:00 -
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FFS..
CCP how long has jita been a problem? 551 in que to jump in and i need to bypass the system on my way to my home system.
Fix your game if it can't handle nodes with 700+ on it. I mean it's not rocket science; then again maybe it is.However being forced to wait 30 minutes to move a system is just stupid. Then too crash in Jita and wait another 30 minutes to get back online...to wait more.
Just FIX IT FFS. thanks
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Cusar Nahum
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Cusar Nahum on 29/11/2006 20:30:49
Edited by: Cusar Nahum on 29/11/2006 20:29:34
Well, why not completly roofing Jita? Could be the chance to keep more peeps on station. If you jump in, you're directly docking to the trade one, near moon 4. 
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: darklegionca
yes i think we do need a "ring road" type of stargate system for people that are just passing though to another system
That would be great for getting into 0.0 space. We could bypass the gate camps at the major chokepoints, and they would die of boredom...
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Zebler
Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:42:00 -
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I like the idea of a barren Jita, something along the lines of due to the sheer population all useful resources have long since been removed.
A Jita with no belts and no agents must offer a little extra headroom. Maybe not loads, but it has got offer some.
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Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:49:00 -
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"People of Jita, your attention please ..."
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:54:00 -
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Yeah.. quite annoying. Especially when you are already IN Jita
This is getting to be like World of Warcraft
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Draycar Hazaran
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:56:00 -
[21]
Where's the death star when you need it?
Might
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:56:00 -
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IMHO...
Autopilot should never go through Jita... the only time autopilot will get you to Jita is when Jita is a waypoint or destination. No missions starting, happening or ending in Jita... no high level agents in Jita.
Its a hub, and will continue to be, even with the above changes... but people flying through needlessly contribute to load and lag.
Create a system, called "Beltway", with all the same gates as Jita has. Create a Beltway gate in every system that attaches to Jita... with 1 station, no belts, no missions, and a 1.0 Sec status (maybe 0.8-1.0, whatever).
This will help traffic that doesn't need to be in Jita keep away from Jita.
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Paigan
Amarr
Katsu Corporation
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Paigan on 29/11/2006 21:01:29
Edited by: Paigan on 29/11/2006 20:58:44
There are some almost insulting simple means to ease the jita load, anway:
1.) Create bypass routes so that nobody has to charge jita only for passing through.
(this would be easily arrangable with RPG background. If a system becomes a overloaded hub, there would be installed additional jumpgates)
2.) Remove all agents from jita. Maybe only 1-2 jumps away.
Won't be too much impertinence for the concearned mission runners. And if it still is: they're to blame themselves for doing missions in jita.
3.) and ensure that no mission target whatsoever is placed in jita
(one line of code: if randomtarget == jita: select new random system)
4.) Maybe even reduce the numbers of station
5.) Or even cut off some of its jump connections. Like that to kisogo where the noobs flood in from.
As long as CCP doesn't even do the first most simplest and perfectly RL _and_ RPG logical point, i claim that the jita lag is
INTENTIONAL
by the devs.
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Crucifier
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:06:00 -
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In 40minutes ive gone from 550 to 360 in queue to jita  YEAH! GO CPP!
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HuuFlungDung
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:07:00 -
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2006.11.29 21:01:23 Notify Jita Traffic Control is currently experiencing heavy load and is unable to process your request. You are #564 in queue for jump-in.
Insane!!!!
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Duncan Houston
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Posted - 2006.11.29 22:56:00 -
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Attention people of Jita, we regret to inform you that your system has been marked for destruction to make room for a new hyperspace Bypass...
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Trem Sinval
Sinval Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.11.29 23:15:00 -
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Do you honestly all not know about the way around Jita?
There's 2 or 3 routes, depending on where you're starting from. They add maybe half a dozen jumps, but now we have WTZ.
They gave you a map for a reason, and it's not to stare at the pretty colors. Use it!
- Trem
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Winded Destruction
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.29 23:20:00 -
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I gues that Duncan Houston (2 posts above abt) is #42 inline XDXD
only took me a few minutes to log into jita :-/ still a helluv a problem though
Signed Winded Des
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Eck Hauler
Elite frontier group
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 23:23:00 -
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I make an alt (Caldari)
I do the first mission to kill a merc, then go back to station (in Kisogo, not too bad but still 250 people)
I get 2nd mission which involves going to Urlen (quieter, good) Mission complete
Agent says a new agent has work for me, look in people and places
Oh look, new agent is in Jita
Set autopilot to Lirsaurton (Better)
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Majin82
Caldari
g guild
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Posted - 2006.11.29 23:25:00 -
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Jita is a commercial Hub, it should not be a Thoroughfare! I think CCP need to make a by-pass system. Simply a system that is beside Jita that the Auto Pilot wil connect to instead of Jita. This system will have nothing but star gates in it, no choke points like Kisogo is. The only time you should ever have to go through Jita is if you have selected it as a Waypoint or destination.
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Empire marketslave
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Posted - 2006.11.29 23:31:00 -
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if they made it so that you could right click on the star map and choose avoid this system and have auto avoid it that would work too an extra 10 jumps is probally still faster than going though jita
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Deckert
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:03:00 -
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I second this notion. Jita is way over crowded. Please put other systems that go around jita. Over 700+ in local sucks for laggggg.
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TheDevilsJury
principle of motion
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:16:00 -
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Yep, I've got no problem with the Jita market. Just the hapless traveller getting stuck in the lag or the jump queue is really really bad.
What I would like to see is:
- A new system for each market hub (Jita included)
- It has no stations
- It has all the same jumpgates as the hub it corresponds to
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Pepperami
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zebler
I like the idea of a barren Jita, something along the lines of due to the sheer population all useful resources have long since been removed.
A Jita with no belts and no agents must offer a little extra headroom. Maybe not loads, but it has got offer some.
Pretty much today's Yulai, then? 
Imagine if we had the old highways still in place...
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teh SuzE
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Duncan Houston
Attention people of Jita, we regret to inform you that your system has been marked for destruction to make room for a new hyperspace Bypass...
Argh LOL - you beat me to it!
Suze
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul
Originally by: darklegionca
yes i think we do need a "ring road" type of stargate system for people that are just passing though to another system
If I remember correctly, they tried this already. A long time ago, Yulai was the commercial hub of the universe. Now, not so much. I dont know what determines empire hub location, but making a barren system will probably just shift lag to a single other system, so you get Jita 2.
I would recommend adding some kind of commercial incentive to stay out of Jita and other heavily populated systems. You could add a fee to all sales, paid by the buyer, of like 1% or .5%, maybe higher, to get people to buy elsewhere. You could reduce agent payoffs during that time period. You could have docking and gate fees for heavily populated systems. For those logging in, you could have an option to appear in another system (thus bypassing the queue).
yulai was actually better as you had atleast a half ringway around it.
with jita now it sucks.
id say remove all belts and agents completely from jita, add a ringway around it and only make it available as a travel option if someone selects jita as destination.
that way it can still be used as a sale hub but will also remove all mission runners from system.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:59:00 -
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If we compare EVE to our real society, all major cities have a bypass like I-285 around Atlanta, because NO ONE wants to go through there. A system next to Jita with all the same gates, labeled as Jita-Bypass for the gates in connecting systems, would be a functional idea. Doesn't really matter what else you put in it, just as long as people aren't waiting an hour at a time to play a game they pay for.
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Pick Me
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:33:00 -
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Oh, Memory.
If everyone know the Jita system it's because it's been choosen with a single forum post when Yulai was put into a black hole.
As soon as you touch it with ideas like there is in this thread, the same will happen. A new thread named "Jita's gone, now where?" will make everyone know the new system (the bypass probably) that will be IN the path of everyone.
You want less lag and less peoples? Why go near the major trading hub then?
People want/need to suffer, why do you wish to change that and fix the 'Jita problem'? People will look for the new self-inflicting pain thing and abuse it. Same thing happened with the 'Trade channel'. When it was gone, peoples wanted it back to suffer, 10 messages a second even if it was getting hard on the server with 500+ in the channel. |
TheDevilsJury
principle of motion
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.30 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pick Me
Oh, Memory.
If everyone know the Jita system it's because it's been choosen with a single forum post when Yulai was put into a black hole.
As soon as you touch it with ideas like there is in this thread, the same will happen. A new thread named "Jita's gone, now where?" will make everyone know the new system (the bypass probably) that will be IN the path of everyone.
You want less lag and less peoples? Why go near the major trading hub then?
People want/need to suffer, why do you wish to change that and fix the 'Jita problem'? People will look for the new self-inflicting pain thing and abuse it. Same thing happened with the 'Trade channel'. When it was gone, peoples wanted it back to suffer, 10 messages a second even if it was getting hard on the server with 500+ in the channel.
Sorry, a lot of that doesn't make sense.
Jita may have been established because it was a high traffic system, but people go there now because it's a market hub. Traffic through Jita (through, not into) is being obstructed.
I've got no problem with 700+ people going there to buy their Cerberus for 10 mil less than other regions. They pay the price for having a market hub.
I do have a problem with needing to fly through Jita and getting held up for hours in a jump queue.
Furthermore:
If Jita was established because of a forums thread, building a bypass would not kill it.
If Jita was established because of high traffic, building a bypass may kill it, or may not.
Either way, you have to look at why Jita exists today. I think it's because of need for a central market hub. If Jita exists because it is a central market hub, then building a bypass will not kill it.
We're not looking to take away Jita. We're looking for a way to avoid it if we so choose. Exactly what you put in your last paragraph.
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Fark
Gallente
Soul Collectors
DIES IRAE.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 03:15:00 -
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Thanks TheDevilsJury, put it into words alot better than i can.
Simply Jita would still be a market hub. probably a bigger one. A Bypass 'deadspace' system would be like the M25 of EvE.
All Regional Jumps enter the bypass and not jita. Another jump into jita will be required.
All Forge region systems will have jumps to Jita and the Bypass systems. it just spreads the traffic.
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Pick Me
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Posted - 2006.11.30 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: TheDevilsJury
We're not looking to take away Jita. We're looking for a way to avoid it if we so choose. Exactly what you put in your last paragraph.
If you put a way around it that is one more jump than going thru it, a lot of people will go thru it (less jump is better on autopilot).
If you put a way around it that is one jump less to go in the normal path, the new market hub will be right in that new path.
You might remember some time ago, bypass route like that were created around the highway linking Yulai, so someone going to Pator from Tash Murkon would not use the same systems as the one going to Algogille (around Amarr). The result, most people set their autopilot to go right in Amarr anyway, so the the highway were nuked, maybe to create regional market.
Only way to fix it is to prevent travel, make it harsh, fee on cargo size and jump gate fee. Let the traders in freighter do the work. Until then, lag!
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TheDevilsJury
principle of motion
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Pick Me
If you put a way around it that is one more jump than going thru it, a lot of people will go thru it (less jump is better on autopilot).
If you put a way around it that is one jump less to go in the normal path, the new market hub will be right in that new path.
What happens if you put a way around Jita that is Exactly the same number of jumps as the normal path (not more, not less)?
Because that's what I'm proposing.
The rest of your post has good points, but you can't compare the solutions. Even if the Jita problem has similarties to the Yulai problem, we're not proposing the exact same solution.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:12:00 -
[43]
I'm so sick of Jita whines, I've reached the point where I'd prepay a 10 years subscription to EVE if CCP would just nova the Jita star and wipe it off the map once and for all.
Just make sure someone frapses it.
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Fark
Gallente
Soul Collectors
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Posted - 2006.12.01 01:57:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Winterblink
I'm so sick of Jita whines, I've reached the point where I'd prepay a 10 years subscription to EVE if CCP would just nova the Jita star and wipe it off the map once and for all.
Just make sure someone frapses it.
lol, yeah. i was a little annoyed when i created the thread. but I made it constructive and not a OMGWTFJita!GIMMEMONEY!
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.12.01 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: maarud
2006.11.29 19:22:04 Notify Jita Traffic Control is currently experiencing heavy load and is unable to process your request. You are #373 in queue for jump-in.
I was just thinking the same thing, set autopilot, went to wash dishes, came back to that... what a circus
Regional contracts are GREAT idea!
They'll stop people from crowding into jits so people can see their escrows! \o/
Oh, wait...
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Marvin
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Posted - 2006.12.01 02:18:00 -
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Add a timer to people in Jita when it's overpopulated, or better, all high populated systems that hit their population limit, boot em to nearest lowest populated system when it runs out...of course only active when in need..
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Dahak2150
HellBrothers Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.01 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dahak2150 on 01/12/2006 03:13:09
I knew Jita was bad before....but wow.
Guess I'll just buy stuff on contract, then contract out a courier mission to get it out of there. I'm sure not going in there.
Grr.
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Gralg Merglen
Minmatar
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2006.12.01 03:18:00 -
[48]
Doomsday Device + Jita = no more traffic problems
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MMXMMX
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.01 03:30:00 -
[49]
Just give us the old escrow back .
Jita was bad but after the expension pack its just crazy .
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Lawrences Dragon
Amarr
Zantui Braun
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Posted - 2006.12.01 05:12:00 -
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id like to see more people making use of the courier missons, i run a corp (with just me at the moment) where i specialise in courier missions (its an average flow of isk) i make a little isk trading but my main income is from carting your s*** accross the galaxy.
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.01 05:20:00 -
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make another system right next to jita, called 'notjita' and put stargates that link it to the exact same systems jita links to, and make autopilot send you to 'notjita' automatically. give 'notjita' no stations.
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