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Ghoest	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:29:00 - [1] Of course and you can guess I have the prerequisites. But seriouslly everyone knew this was coming and had time to train up for it. What is the problem with having modestly high skill prerequisites for something like this? Seems like more of the dumbing down of EVE. Wherever you went - here you are.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:35:00 - [2] I have them too. Answer: people cried. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Sumayyah Minmatar Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:39:00 - [3] ya no need to lower them I trained all the skills i could prior to patch so when it came up last night I could use the mod. I will be very mad if they lower it now after I spend the last 5 days training the dumb survey skill. I'm an ! I will always be an ! that is all I have to say
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:40:00 - [4] It's TWO rank 1 skills, out of which one is so popular it's almost laughable (heck, some chars start with Mechanic L5 already). And with adv. learnings lowered to L4 basic prereq, it's what, a couple of weeks to get to survey L5 ? Ok, what's next, lowering prerequisites on +4 implants to L2 cybernetics ? Or lowering prerequisites for HACs to L4 weapon upgrades ? What about L4 evasive maneouvering for interceptors ? Or heck, Science L4 and Survey L4 for Archaeology, Electeronics Upgrades L4 for Hacking and so on. Prerequisites on salvagers are already low enough. _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
Tweee	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:40:00 - [5] they are lowering the skills? tell me more
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:42:00 - [6] Yeah, there is a discussion in General Discussion as well here. I dont think its dumbing down Eve to lower the requirements... not sure whats so intelligent about training a skill? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tehyarec Erasers inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:51:00 - [7] Well I'd rather not train something as crappy as Survey V when there's more fun stuff to train. Of course sucks for thsoe who did train Survey V, but then again... it sucks for those who had to train learning skills to 5 to be able to get advanced ones, too
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Tehyarec Well I'd rather not train something as crappy as Survey V when there's more fun stuff to train. Of course sucks for thsoe who did train Survey V, but then again... it sucks for those who had to train learning skills to 5 to be able to get advanced ones, too Except that those help, and are worth training anyway Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
schurem Anarchy Inc. Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:02:00 - [9] and survey isnt? afaik its not as useless as you guys make it seem. what with all the highly touted exploration stuff in the works. being able to work them scanners might just pay of quite handsomely! <<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free* Or Die Trying* >>>> Warning sounds!, My kingdom for more warning sounds!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:04:00 - [10] Because level 5 prereqs are really annoying, and should be reserved for T2 stuff.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:05:00 - [11] Killing people and taking their stuff is my scene. Exploring is not. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Still Hart Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:07:00 - [12] Survey only effects ship/roid scanners (and the like) not scan probes. It's useless. And I'm gonna be really ****ed if I wasted 5 days training it to 5 for nothing. _____________________
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Still Hart Survey only effects ship/roid scanners (and the like) not scan probes. It's useless. And I'm gonna be really ****ed if I wasted 5 days training it to 5 for nothing. Don't forget archaeology! You too can grow a beard! Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Beef Hardslab AlphaHivE	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:14:00 - [14] I'm all for lowering the prereqs... anything to speed up clearing the **** wrecks out of space.
Razean Minmatar Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:24:00 - [15] First and foremost, any time you train up prerequisites for an unreleased skill, you should know **** well there's the chance those prereqs will change. That's just the chance you take trying to be proactive. This isn't the first time this has happened. It's happened to skills well after they were released to Tranquility. It'll happen again, you can be sure of that. Second, salvaging simply doesn't strike me as an ability that should require 2 lvl 5 skills, even if they're both only rank 1 skills.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Razean First and foremost, any time you train up prerequisites for an unreleased skill, you should know ** well there's the chance those prereqs will change. That's just the chance you take trying to be proactive. This isn't the first time this has happened. It's happened to skills well after they were released to Tranquility. It'll happen again, you can be sure of that. I know that. It's not that I have the skills I'm complaining about (if it was a different pair of level5s, I wouldn't mind), it's that it's being lowered. Originally by:** Razean Second, salvaging simply doesn't strike me as an ability that should require 2 lvl 5 skills, even if they're both only rank 1 skills. We differ there. It is meant to be a mini-profession, like hacking or archaeology, both of which need level5s. Everyone and their brother are not meant to be doing it: it is meant to be somewhat specialised at least. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:30:00 - [17] If they wanted to make it into a real profession, they should actually have much higher requirements. I think basically everyone will get it now, just because its pretty easy and you want to see what you can do with it. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:51:00 - [18] Originally by: James Lyrus Because level 5 prereqs are really annoying, and should be reserved for T2 stuff. Agreed. If they ever make a tech 2 salvage module, make that one take survey 5.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Jim McGregor If they wanted to make it into a real profession, they should actually have much higher requirements. I think basically everyone will get it now, just because its pretty easy and you want to see what you can do with it. :) With the sheer number of parts required to make a single rig, we NEED everyone doing it or rigs will cost more than any ship you put them on.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Jim McGregor If they wanted to make it into a real profession, they should actually have much higher requirements. I think basically everyone will get it now, just because its pretty easy and you want to see what you can do with it. :) With the sheer number of parts required to make a single rig, we NEED everyone doing it or rigs will cost more than any ship you put them on. Well, there might not be enough profit in it if too many are doing it... we'll see. :) I dont know anything about the number of parts or how hard they are to get yet, but the following week should be interesting. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Jim McGregor If they wanted to make it into a real profession, they should actually have much higher requirements. I think basically everyone will get it now, just because its pretty easy and you want to see what you can do with it. :) With the sheer number of parts required to make a single rig, we NEED everyone doing it or rigs will cost more than any ship you put them on. So increase the yield... Higher profits for those who take the time to specialise. If you don't take the time to specialise, you won't make the profits. Proper profession. If too many people do it, profits drop and less people train to do it, keeping prices in check with demand. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.29 21:58:00 - [22] So ... where did this information come from? Any links? -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:00:00 - [23] Originally by: LUKEC So ... where did this information come from? Any links? Linkage Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
ChrisFish	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:01:00 - [24] The term 'WOW-ification' comes to mind. I'd like to fly a capital ship. Please lower the requirement to BS 4 instead of BS 5, since I won't be flying a BS. Do that and see what happens on the forums.
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:26:00 - [25] If you dont want to call it dumbing down then call it "easy moding." Basically everything for everyone no matter what is the direction I see. Wherever you went - here you are.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:29:00 - [26] I don't really know whether they should lower the requirements, keep them the same, or add a couple of L5 R8 skills. I do know that any time I count on features staying the same, particularly brand spanking new features, that I'm taking a gamble. Usually with the hope that I'm going to profit from it in some way. If you trained Survey to 5, and if they actually change that req., you lost this particular gamble. Until Survey gets changed to something uber, that is. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Galifardeua Gallente Completament Tarats	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:57:00 - [27] Remember what happenned to tractor beams. From Science V + Gravimetic physics I (or was it III?) to Science IV. I don't care, either way, in 10 years I'll have most interesing skills at V. :) Have fun.

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