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Red Teufel
Mafia Redux Feign Disorder
440
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Posted - 2015.07.14 22:36:11 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Remove moon mining from alliance and pos.
Rorquals now required to moon mine.
Moon mining now an active requirement (individuals can do it), or some variation.
Revamp the rorqual to survive roaming gangs or possibly reinforce itself.
Pieces of moon falls off rorqual for mining fleet to eat.
Possible rorqual shield while moon mining to protect fleet.
There are quite a few ideas on how to revamp mining.
I don't know what the point of the ship being in the game. |
Myth Shor
SAM-CR0
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 22:39:02 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote: When people intentionally cripple their own gameplay, the last thing such gameplay needs is a buff or a nerf. Way back before the ice change, I made a miner and spent quite a few hours in the fields. I didn't find it in any way crippling. I actually found it quite enjoyable. Chitchatting with the other regulars. People not in the same corp helping out with boosts. Not having to constantly be scanning thanks to the other locals keeping an eye on things. All in all, probably the most time I've spent having fun with complete strangers in my eight years of playing this game. Which is likely why most 'elites' frown on the profession. It just doesn't sit right with them that random people should get along and cooperate for a common goal. Mr Epeen i actually bought a mining char once, zomg what a waste of isk the most boring thing i could ever think of, it was a terrible experience i actually wanted to shoot it with my main to bring a bit of enjoyment into my life but they were both on the same account so i was screwed. i even joined a pirate corp and actually started mining in lowsec, i felt sick and embarrased so i sold it
I call BS on that one, hey i bet you injoy sitting on a gate for hours on end killing the odd noob in arookie ship that flys to the wrong place only to run and dock up when some turns up who might be able to kill you. You keep at it Mr gankbear |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
1010
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Posted - 2015.07.14 22:47:57 -
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Myth Shor wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote: When people intentionally cripple their own gameplay, the last thing such gameplay needs is a buff or a nerf. Way back before the ice change, I made a miner and spent quite a few hours in the fields. I didn't find it in any way crippling. I actually found it quite enjoyable. Chitchatting with the other regulars. People not in the same corp helping out with boosts. Not having to constantly be scanning thanks to the other locals keeping an eye on things. All in all, probably the most time I've spent having fun with complete strangers in my eight years of playing this game. Which is likely why most 'elites' frown on the profession. It just doesn't sit right with them that random people should get along and cooperate for a common goal. Mr Epeen i actually bought a mining char once, zomg what a waste of isk the most boring thing i could ever think of, it was a terrible experience i actually wanted to shoot it with my main to bring a bit of enjoyment into my life but they were both on the same account so i was screwed. i even joined a pirate corp and actually started mining in lowsec, i felt sick and embarrased so i sold it I call BS on that one, hey i bet you injoy sitting on a gate for hours on end killing the odd noob in arookie ship that flys to the wrong place only to run and dock up when some turns up who might be able to kill you. You keep at it Mr gankbear
true story bro!
sometimes yes thats nice and yes also i will run away if something can kill me because thats efficient, i have died alot lately as i have a terrible drinking problem and when people have drinking problems due to previous experience with mining thats not a nice thing :(
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1894
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Posted - 2015.07.14 23:08:10 -
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Mining's strength is in being able to sit back, earn some ISK and socialise. It is either that or ship spinning when you have other things that need more attention.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2015.07.14 23:26:35 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Skiff drone blobs can pack quite a punch when you assist ~50 of them to a fast locking HIC.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
495
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Posted - 2015.07.14 23:36:45 -
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Kiddoomer wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Webvan wrote:[quote=Commander Spurty]All I want to see added to mining is a reason to sit at the keyboard.
Make people have to 'do something', but make it optional.
Odd, when I mine, I find it virtually impossible to go AFK and still get any reasonable yield. My miners cycle every 90+ seconds, and every cycle there is a good chance the roids will pop. To avoid wasting part of a cycle, I tend to short-cycle them at about 60 seconds. I fly two miners and an Orca. So, once a minute, I cycle miners, restart on new roids as needed, target more roids (to be ready for the next cycle), and move ore to the Orca. Then I switch to the other miner and do it all over again. Next, I switch to the Orca and move the ore to the various holds. Once I'm all done with that, there are not that many seconds left before the next cycle. Hardly time to get up and do anything. If I go AFK for more than 60 seconds, the roids pop and I get no more ore. You spend more time doing nothing on your average gate camp, or even while in warp during a roam. Multi box doesn't count :P
No offense, but even I can relate to this...without running alts or links. Granted, it happens usually after a couple cycles, but I do the same thing all the time on the rare occasion you find me in a belt. True that mining doesn't require full attention constantly, though, so people are going to leave there client running and being off doing other things if they can. People like me and this guy at least have ways to keep ourselves busy without having to go afk to do that. Maybe I'm just not doing it right.
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"----in' A, right?"
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
940
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Posted - 2015.07.15 00:27:09 -
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Guys, the idea of having mining lasers finally harm ships isn't THAT bad ...
TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DaReaper
Net 7
2366
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Posted - 2015.07.15 01:08:54 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Remove moon mining from alliance and pos.
Rorquals now required to moon mine.
Moon mining now an active requirement (individuals can do it), or some variation.
Revamp the rorqual to survive roaming gangs or possibly reinforce itself.
Pieces of moon falls off rorqual for mining fleet to eat.
Possible rorqual shield while moon mining to protect fleet.
There are quite a few ideas on how to revamp mining.
I'm gonna disagree. I even disagree with ccp's idea of a structure that drills into moons and throws rocks out that oyu have to mine.
I think the moons of new eden should suddenly be depleted, in its place ring or system wide roid belts should appear (both lost exodus features) in these new environments are T2 roids that you refine for moon goo. the lower the sec the better the roids.
the rorq should become a capital miner and the head of a mining fleet, not just a ship that mines mostly moon ore.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
106
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Posted - 2015.07.15 02:43:55 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:All I want to see added to mining is a reason to sit at the keyboard.
Make people have to 'do something', but make it optional.
You do this, you get 110% yield or some obvious reward.
Hi. I'm with CODE. I'm sure you know about us. You needed a reason to be at your keyboard? Here I am.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
11101
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Posted - 2015.07.15 02:49:55 -
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Bellatrix Invicta wrote:Commander Spurty wrote:All I want to see added to mining is a reason to sit at the keyboard.
Make people have to 'do something', but make it optional.
You do this, you get 110% yield or some obvious reward. Hi. I'm with CODE. I'm sure you know about us. You needed a reason to be at your keyboard? Here I am. Now that's a reward
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
336
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Posted - 2015.07.15 02:57:43 -
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before they touch anything else involving mining.
they had better redo the rorqual
SAVE THE RORQUAL
SHE'S THE CAPITAL INDUSTRIAL SHIP OF THE ENTIRE PROFESSION |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1304
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Posted - 2015.07.15 05:23:48 -
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Citizens
Before we can improve mining we first have to improve the miner, and we are working on that 23.5/7. We will come back to you once we feel that all miners are in a state where they can handle such a change.
Donations to speed up the process are always welcome and can be sent directly to James 315 or to a New Order Agent of your liking.
Agent Ima Wreckyou New Order mining overseer for Abudban and it's surroundings.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
75
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Posted - 2015.07.15 08:35:02 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Citizens
Before we can improve mining we first have to improve the miner, and we are working on that 23.5/7. We will come back to you once we feel that all miners are in a state where they can handle such a change.
Donations to speed up the process are always welcome and can be sent directly to James 315 or to a New Order Agent of your liking.
Agent Ima Wreckyou New Order mining overseer for Abudban and it's surroundings.
Meh, a good bunch of the miners don't even care about losing their ships or use Skiff, the other half mine at the keyboard with efficient ships and get annoyed by you most of the time (I can relate to this, ganked once, learned for life to use a mackinaw aligned with higgs).
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
1011
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Posted - 2015.07.15 08:37:17 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Citizens
Before we can improve mining we first have to improve the miner, and we are working on that 23.5/7. We will come back to you once we feel that all miners are in a state where they can handle such a change.
Donations to speed up the process are always welcome and can be sent directly to James 315 or to a New Order Agent of your liking.
Agent Ima Wreckyou New Order mining overseer for Abudban and it's surroundings.
i shall donate some catalysts for tears just for fun because im good like that
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Kaivar Lancer
Hier Trading Company
647
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Posted - 2015.07.15 08:55:23 -
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Perhaps CCP should try replicating the "multi-box" experience for solo miners to make it more engaging. Instead of having 2 turrets, make it 6 (with less yield, of course). Miners will be required to strategise their mining lasers in order to avoid dead cycles. |
Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
75
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Posted - 2015.07.15 09:42:39 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Perhaps CCP should try replicating the "multi-box" experience for solo miners to make it more engaging. Instead of having 2 turrets, make it 6 (with less yield, of course). Miners will be required to strategise their mining lasers in order to avoid dead cycles. Not sure about that, if the yield would became divided in 6 or more turrets, the yield of a individual turret will be so low that a dead cycle will be limited to a small amount, a longer cycle time could do the trick maybe.
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
945
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Posted - 2015.07.15 10:55:09 -
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Kiddoomer wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Citizens
Before we can improve mining we first have to improve the miner, and we are working on that 23.5/7. We will come back to you once we feel that all miners are in a state where they can handle such a change.
Donations to speed up the process are always welcome and can be sent directly to James 315 or to a New Order Agent of your liking.
Agent Ima Wreckyou New Order mining overseer for Abudban and it's surroundings. Meh, a good bunch of the miners don't even care about losing their ships or use Skiff, the other half mine at the keyboard with efficient ships and get annoyed by you most of the time (I can relate to this, ganked once, learned for life to use a mackinaw aligned with higgs). lol mackinaw
TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
945
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Posted - 2015.07.15 10:57:10 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Citizens
Before we can improve mining we first have to improve the miner, and we are working on that 23.5/7. We will come back to you once we feel that all miners are in a state where they can handle such a change.
Donations to speed up the process are always welcome and can be sent directly to James 315 or to a New Order Agent of your liking.
Agent Ima Wreckyou New Order mining overseer for Abudban and it's surroundings. You people made the situation worse, not better.
TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Babooshka MyShushka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.07.15 11:28:19 -
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I enjoy mining, it's something I can do that doesn't require my constant attention. It's a more relaxing way to earn isk. If I wanted action I'd do missions. |
erg cz
ErgoDron
298
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Posted - 2015.07.15 11:33:17 -
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Apart from numerous simple (and stupid, IMHO) suggestions like buff yield of lazers, mining drones, ships or rorquals, I like those completely new approaches. They ensure more effective mining through pilot activity, not through plain "more m3 per hour cause I have bigger ship/laser" Comet mining: fast movable mineable objects, that need to be scanned down, reqiure manually piloting to stay close and avoid toxic cloud
Mining probes and planet ring mining: probe down the proper place in planet ring, where you can mine, requires manually piloting to avoid collision with random moving piece of rock.
Multi Ore, Multi Methods: asteroids change during the process of mining it, requires manual adjusting of minig beam to ensure reasonable efficiency of mining laser, you can follow veins, etc |
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1311
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Posted - 2015.07.15 11:40:56 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Citizens
Before we can improve mining we first have to improve the miner, and we are working on that 23.5/7. We will come back to you once we feel that all miners are in a state where they can handle such a change.
Donations to speed up the process are always welcome and can be sent directly to James 315 or to a New Order Agent of your liking.
Agent Ima Wreckyou New Order mining overseer for Abudban and it's surroundings. You people made the situation worse, not better. It's a work in progress...
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13651
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Posted - 2015.07.15 11:45:03 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Citizens
Before we can improve mining we first have to improve the miner, and we are working on that 23.5/7. We will come back to you once we feel that all miners are in a state where they can handle such a change.
Donations to speed up the process are always welcome and can be sent directly to James 315 or to a New Order Agent of your liking.
Agent Ima Wreckyou New Order mining overseer for Abudban and it's surroundings. You people made the situation worse, not better.
The way I look at it, every miner that ends up in a Procurer is one more miner that has at least made the conscious decision to not do the stupid thing.
Baby steps, man. You have to understand that these people are not used to any kind of decision involving actual gameplay. You gotta ease 'em into it, like a latex gimp suit.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
89
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Posted - 2015.07.15 11:52:01 -
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seriously CODE, please just leave the thread, we all know you all would be happier if nothing was player made and it all just magically spawned out of no where, like every other game out there. We are talking about wanting to revamp mining as a whole, not just in highsec, so please, if you are not going to actively contribute, then please just leave and let other people with actual imput to the topic at hand have a decent and rational conversation. |
Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
75
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Posted - 2015.07.15 11:52:12 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Citizens
Before we can improve mining we first have to improve the miner, and we are working on that 23.5/7. We will come back to you once we feel that all miners are in a state where they can handle such a change.
Donations to speed up the process are always welcome and can be sent directly to James 315 or to a New Order Agent of your liking.
Agent Ima Wreckyou New Order mining overseer for Abudban and it's surroundings. You people made the situation worse, not better. The way I look at it, every miner that ends up in a Procurer is one more miner that has at least made the conscious decision to not do the stupid thing. Baby steps, man. You have to understand that these people are not used to any kind of decision involving actual gameplay. You gotta ease 'em into it, like a latex gimp suit.
Huh, a miner who chose to fly in a procurer in highsec after a gank is a miner who lost against Code. , not the other way around. A industrialist will always need to choose the best tool for the job, the procurer/skiff being for beginners or nullsec/wormhole solo.
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13653
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:00:03 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:seriously CODE, please just leave the thread, we all know you all would be happier if nothing was player made and it all just magically spawned out of no where, like every other game out there.
That's not true at all, I personally take great delight in the player controlled economy. Many of the more dedicated and successful industrial players I know back CODE, what's more.
Quote: EDIT:- Lets get back on topic here, this isn't about using procurers or skiffs in highsec, or CODE's circle jerking.
Making an entire post about us sure doesn't help your case. It's not a circle jerk if other people keep insisting on joining in. Then it's just an impromptu orgy.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Keno Skir
744
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:00:24 -
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I agree whole heartedly.
Mining should be updated so it's impossible to AFK it, that is all.
EDIT : The previous posters are correct. If you actually know how to mine / do industry safely then it is in your best interest to support CODE, who will inflate mineral value by preying on the stupid / uneducated.
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
89
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:04:19 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:seriously CODE, please just leave the thread, we all know you all would be happier if nothing was player made and it all just magically spawned out of no where, like every other game out there.
That's not true at all, I personally take great delight in the player controlled economy. Many of the more dedicated and successful industrial players I know back CODE, what's more. Quote: EDIT:- Lets get back on topic here, this isn't about using procurers or skiffs in highsec, or CODE's circle jerking.
Making an entire post about us sure doesn't help your case. It's not a circle jerk if other people keep insisting on joining in. Then it's just an impromptu orgy.
I call BS, if that was true, why go after miners then? because without miners nothing gets made, AFK miners are a problem, agreed, but one that should be sorted out with a revamp to mining, not ganking them in highsec and acting like your the best.
My post was a response to about 5 CODE people coming in and completely derailing the thread, so with that said, can we PLEASE, get back on topic here, and talk about what changes should happen to mining. |
Keno Skir
744
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:05:53 -
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Without miners people get ore from mission loot.. Jus sayin...
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
89
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:08:21 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Without miners people get ore from mission loot.. Jus sayin...
Scale and sheer volume, how many mission would you have to run to get enough ore to build a battleship, or a carrier? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13654
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:16:21 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote: I call BS, if that was true, why go after miners then?
You really can't think of a reason?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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