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V1P3RR
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.21 09:55:04 -
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5 nerds camping 5ZXX- is more than enough to keep MoA docked 23/7.. If they do get ideas about undocking just type in local "Zungen is loggin in" , this should keep you safe for 1 more week or so , rinse and repeat. |
Icycle
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
1
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Posted - 2015.07.21 10:58:31 -
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V1P3RR wrote:5 nerds camping 5ZXX- is more than enough to keep MoA docked 23/7.. If they do get ideas about undocking just type in local "Zungen is loggin in" , this should keep you safe for 1 more week or so , rinse and repeat.
lol its funny you should say that. When are you going to learn that we are capable of functioning If we werent capable of functioning with these camps below , we would have folder 5 years ago. But this conditions ironically enough has united us more and makes us laugh that although we are only very small compared to your coalition, you cant really hurts us.
https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29776037 https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29774033 https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29751145
Good try but no cigar. |
Xzykov
House Aratus Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.07.21 15:21:12 -
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/47965792/
And afk ratting ishtars love you! |
Aedan Tau
HPBS Security Services
0
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Posted - 2015.07.21 16:28:47 -
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Hi. I was speaking with a recruiter earlier this morning, but I had a couple more questions.
My corp is currently built on mining and manufacturing, but if we were to join up, we would want to be involved in PvP of all forms. So, if we are involved in PvP gangs or large fleets, are there any loss reimbursement programs? If so, what do they cover?
Also, as we do some small scale manufacturing (we hope to get involved in larger jobs. just taking some time... highsec does not offer much in the way of good minerals), Is there a functioning market where we could fill a gap and make a profit?
Would we still be called "renter" when we moved in? Or would we actually be considered alliance members with the same regard as "non-renters"
And lastly, Are there any systems set up to help move shop? |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
6193
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Posted - 2015.07.21 18:56:44 -
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Removed some off topic posts.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6728
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Posted - 2015.07.21 19:20:26 -
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Aedan Tau wrote:My corp is currently built on mining and manufacturing, but if we were to join up, we would want to be involved in PvP of all forms. So, if we are involved in PvP gangs or large fleets, are there any loss reimbursement programs? If so, what do they cover? We don't currently have any planned reimbursement for you.
Actually our earlier Co-prosperity program had something experimental like that, but it was not really taken up by the renters in general, once you're settled in talk to us some more. (Busy getting everyone in the alliance and settled in right now)
Aedan Tau wrote:Also, as we do some small scale manufacturing (we hope to get involved in larger jobs. just taking some time... highsec does not offer much in the way of good minerals), Is there a functioning market where we could fill a gap and make a profit?
There's the Deklein market. Previous program actually had people going into Dek to sell, for now you will have to hold on that.
You can always fill gaps in Jita.
(I myself and a lot of others in null do sell stuff in Jita frequently, it's how it works. If your miners produce a lot of ore, there's definitely demand for it as well (you will get a good price for the "lowends", for the "highends" refine and ship to jita)
Aedan Tau wrote:Would we still be called "renter" when we moved in? Or would we actually be considered alliance members with the same regard as "non-renters" Yeah, it's still a rental program. So you can take your interceptors all around the rental area to farm moa for killmails but please don't run into Deklein, you know~
Aedan Tau wrote:And lastly, Are there any systems set up to help move shop? There's the JF service who spoke up in this thread. They have a reputation for wide coverage, if you're moving to a station system (please do) then they can probably get all your stuff right in where you want it. Recommend packaging ships and just JFing if you are in highsec though.
Flying mining barges though highsec-nullsec borders is annoying.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Aedan Tau
HPBS Security Services
0
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Posted - 2015.07.22 05:31:03 -
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So, initially, we would be "sub par" members of gsf? (It's OK to say yes. We are still highly interested. I just want to get the full set of details before I make my Corp move again) is there a chance to become full fledged members as time goes on?
So Dek is off limits to renters? Is that permanent?
As I said before, we would love to join your pvp fleets but without any reimbursement programs, we would have to hold off. Unless of course, the ratting is really good. |
Aedan Tau
HPBS Security Services
0
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Posted - 2015.07.22 05:34:38 -
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If you would like me to contact a diplomat or rental manager with my questions, just let me know. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6728
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Posted - 2015.07.22 05:53:31 -
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Aedan Tau wrote:So, initially, we would be "sub par" members of gsf? (It's OK to say yes. We are still highly interested. I just want to get the full set of details before I make my Corp move again) Membercorps have things like participation metrics and so on. Actually not that long ago a corp or two got kicked for just ratting all day and not participating in ops.
The relationship with renter corps is as quid pro quo as it looks on the main post. Most of the rules are basically the same ones we follow in terms of pve rights.
Aedan Tau wrote: is there a chance to become full fledged members as time goes on? Honestly? It happened a decent amount in the previous program. But adding corps to the GSF alliance is a rare event, most of those joined alliances that were neighboring their region.
Aedan Tau wrote:So Dek is off limits to renters? Currently, can't reveal more than that.
Aedan Tau wrote:As I said before, we would love to join your pvp fleets but without any reimbursement programs, we would have to hold off. Unless of course, the ratting is really good. Well,one has a feeling sov pvp will turn into interceptors galore... that aside...
It's under discussion. We tried something like that in the last program, but the ones who took us up on it aren't here as they're in other Imperium alliances now so yeah~~
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Aedan Tau
HPBS Security Services
0
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Posted - 2015.07.22 06:03:43 -
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Alright, fantastic. I think I've got enough information to make the correct decision. I'll likely be in touch with the recruiter I spoke with yesterday and a rental manager soon. Hopefully we can become full members in the future. If you have any tips on increasing the likelihood of that happening, I'd love to hear them. Until then, fly safe and I hope to see some of you in pure blind soon |
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Whiskey Juvenile
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2015.07.22 06:35:20 -
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Am0k Dotte is recruiting. If you want to join a pure blind corp, message me with your API and apply to Am0k Dotte in game. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6728
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Posted - 2015.07.22 07:05:59 -
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Whiskey Juvenile wrote:Am0k Dotte is recruiting. If you want to join a pure blind corp, message me with your API and apply to Am0k Dotte in game. I heard about this one, if you are a miner in particular, you may be interested in the support they have planned for you (mining boosts and direct ore purchases, I think).
Your sense of naming though is rather humorous.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
81
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Posted - 2015.07.22 19:31:32 -
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You're abusing the hell out of the words "media" and "truth" here. |
V1P3RR
Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2015.07.22 21:10:19 -
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its kinda of amusing to watch so many MoA nerds trying to tell people not to come.... dont listen to the goonies!
Any half decent pvp corp/alliance would love having some more nerds to shoot at , but no.. MoA keeps "warning" people not to come :)
I wonder why :) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6728
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Posted - 2015.07.22 23:35:37 -
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It's like all the fake concern when we were "going bankrupt" in Fountain two years ago (remember when we paid BL like a gazillion trillion isk while Test was raking it in from their reinforced moons).
That or the idea that after moa's long awaited day 1 assault on pb when lasersov arrived, after our amazing defense we suddenly panicked and instantly pulled out a fully formed and integrated plan to start up a rental program. Because when we got the PB sov we expected to suddenly add 100% more people to cover more space with higher density than ever before.
Actually I think we lost some membercorps that ratted instead of participated.
At least because PB is GSF sov and the renters are now in GSF I won't get weird looks from them when my GSF/Goonwaffe cyno alt is moving around or stuff. Since fatigue I have even less cynoalts than before, and with good reason, you know?
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
329
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Posted - 2015.07.23 09:40:44 -
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Executor Ardur wrote:I feel sorry for the would be members. They are so going to get ripped appart just like we did. And based on my experience Akballah Kassan speaks the truth..
Who would have guessed that a MoA NPC corp alt without any Goonswarm/PBLRD related history might post this under a Goonswarm rental thread?
(Answer: Anyone playing EVE that regularly laugh at the collective ~intelligence~ that makes up MoA) |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
329
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Posted - 2015.07.23 09:43:35 -
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A member of the laughing stock alliance of EVE posting links to probably the most laughed at troll in EVE history. History is being made under this thread.
I mean, come to think of it. The number of people that take MoA seriously is pretty much limited to MoA membership. For Gevlon, it's even worse. Not even the totality of MoA membership takes him seriously. |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
329
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Posted - 2015.07.23 09:44:56 -
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V1P3RR wrote:5 nerds camping 5ZXX- is more than enough to keep MoA docked 23/7.. If they do get ideas about undocking just type in local "Zungen is loggin in" , this should keep you safe for 1 more week or so , rinse and repeat.
It is fabled that when you typed that in 5ZXX- local, an automated alliance mail goes to MoA with the subject "HURFBLURF ISBOXER CHEATER BAN HURFBLURF". |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
329
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Posted - 2015.07.23 09:48:31 -
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Executor Ardur wrote:This is my experience. I rented with my corp before from them.
As I've pointed out before, only a MoA 'secret alt' would have the brains to argue the above on a character that has zero PBLRD/GoonSwarm history.
I'll try to make it easy to understand for the MoA pilot that came up with this hilarious plan:
If you are going to do a propaganda/lie post on a shill character, that character should have a history which must fit in with the lie you are trying to spread around. |
Akballah Kassan
Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels
6
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Posted - 2015.07.23 12:43:55 -
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Still waiting for any Goonbots to prove they have created "the first Fozziesov-functional renter system in this new era". All I've seen so far is -
1) half arsed attempts at camping the locals in 5zxx, which looking at killboards for Pure Blind obviously failed.
2) Mining fleets trying to grind indexes that flee the belts in panic when a neutral/red name appears in local (if this is how 'leet' goons react god knows what terror we'll see in any new renters.
3) Hundred man ferox/harpy fleets scrambling round desperately trying to douse the continual fires caused by the locals using the new entosis mod.
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Christina Algaert
Gayman Island Holdings
0
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Posted - 2015.07.23 15:12:23 -
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Section 8... as in Section 8 housing? haha |
V1P3RR
Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2015.07.23 18:51:10 -
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Akballah Kassan wrote:Still waiting for any Goonbots to prove they have created "the first Fozziesov-functional renter system in this new era". All I've seen so far is -
1) half arsed attempts at camping the locals in 5zxx, which looking at killboards for Pure Blind obviously failed.
2) Mining fleets trying to grind indexes that flee the belts in panic when a neutral/red name appears in local (if this is how 'leet' goons react god knows what terror we'll see in any new renters.)
3) Hundred man ferox/harpy fleets scrambling round desperately trying to douse the continual fires caused by the locals using the new entosis mod.
I`ll say again , you seem pretty determined to keep everyone away from Pure Blind (renters).. Must keep those mordus missions going eh ?
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Akballah Kassan
Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels
6
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Posted - 2015.07.23 19:20:27 -
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V1P3RR wrote:Akballah Kassan wrote:Still waiting for any Goonbots to prove they have created "the first Fozziesov-functional renter system in this new era". All I've seen so far is -
1) half arsed attempts at camping the locals in 5zxx, which looking at killboards for Pure Blind obviously failed.
2) Mining fleets trying to grind indexes that flee the belts in panic when a neutral/red name appears in local (if this is how 'leet' goons react god knows what terror we'll see in any new renters.)
3) Hundred man ferox/harpy fleets scrambling round desperately trying to douse the continual fires caused by the locals using the new entosis mod. I`ll say again , you seem pretty determined to keep everyone away from Pure Blind (renters).. Must keep those mordus missions going eh ?
I just don't like the fact Mittens is trying to milk people of isk under false pretenses, making out it's a nice area for the casual PvE player to earn iskies when in reality they will be no better then terrorised space serfs trying to eek out a living in the borderlands of the Goon Empire.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6728
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Posted - 2015.07.23 21:15:10 -
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It's a fairly straightforward quid pro quo arrangement.
Actually if you're a miner you can get away with hardly paying anything at all except your entry fee... oh yes, I double checked and it's totally legit. We have Caldari ice down there too, not only the most expensive (and therefore best to mine) but also has a good market nearby... AND can be useful to fuel your Rhea if you use one.
I'd be more excited, but we already have Caldari ice in our home and I haven't been deep into mining for a while. Still have the perfect boost Rorqural & pilot though.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Baki Yuku
Boob Heads Black Legion.
34
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Posted - 2015.07.24 07:51:13 -
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First of all let me say I think itGÇÖs a pretty decent way to do renting you got there though I don't think the way you do it you should call it renting at this point. More like citizens which is what they are since they share the same alliance etc. and pay you tax. While you defend them *kind of*.
Where you lost me though is your taxing scheme. 25% of the total member ratting income is pretty significant. A average renter corporation usually consists of 10-20 people and from my experience making 3-6b a month ratting in GÇ£Guristas or SerpentisGÇ¥ Space is a rather easy and quick thing to do. If we say each member makes 3b a month on average 25% that means even with just 10 active people ratting you are charging 7,5bil a month for space in a region that no one can argue is total ****. You guys might either want to overthink the sort of space you are making available for your citizens or your taxation. Because as it is right now you are in no way able to compete with anyone else renting out systems the GÇ£old fashionedGÇ¥ way. After the anomaly buff a good system is only between 1 and 3bill a month and for what you are charging you can pretty much get the cr+¿me del a cr+¿me of space. |
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
835
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Posted - 2015.07.24 11:49:36 -
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Let me be very clear for the final time.
This is a sell orders offer thread, not a political discussion thread. If you have questions specifically about the sell order itself, please reply accordingly. Everything else is off-topic and will be removed. This thread has been on our dashboard every single day since it was created. We shouldn't have to devote so much energy to this thread.
If you'd like to discuss the political landscape, please use the appropriate forum. Sell Orders is not that board.
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Kathao Crendraven
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2015.07.25 21:01:55 -
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Bump.
We are already at 16 corporations in our ranks! |
KiloAlpha
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Mordus Angels
247
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Posted - 2015.07.26 00:51:04 -
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for cheaper rates go here |
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
187
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Posted - 2015.07.27 00:32:19 -
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I remember reading in the TMC announcement that you guys would be policing the renters to make sure they are active and Booting/bringing in others to only keep the best and largest corporations in your rental area.
"Renters are going to be heavily policed to only keep the very best ones around. Arbitrary changes to the rules will likely come to make sure they stay in line and produce. The focus will be on larger more capable renters."
I was wondering what Metrics you were using for this?
Would you be going by Taxes collected from the rental corporation which would be brought in via ratting. Would it be by Corporation Activity in the area? Reporting hostiles, helping defend the area you are in, etc? Would it go by Corporation size or Online actives? Would it go by how well that Corporation or group works the Index? If so would certain Index's hold a corp more important over another?
Bringing the Military index up is relatively simple, Sov Index increases based on how long a system is held, the Industry index is the longest and most worked to raise. Would Industrial groups have an edge in this rental agreement vs your regular site farmers?
Would a corp in the 1-50 member group who is Mining up the Index's as well as ratting be held over a 1-50 member group who is just shooting crosses?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6729
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Posted - 2015.07.27 03:09:52 -
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There've been no substantive discussion on metrics, we're moving people in right now.
An obvious thing to note is that when people can move around, it isn't as though you can tell how much they're mining.
In ~particular~ I would advice not causing drama, as that will heavily cause leadership to lean against keeping a drama corp around.
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:Would a corp in the 1-50 member group who is Mining up the Index's as well as ratting be held over a 1-50 member group who is just shooting crosses? Right now it is safe to say that if the corp is active, they are most likely safe. It's different if all the corp does is station trade in the hub.
I'm sort of (what the heck) at "heavy policing", do more than just afk in station, don't cause drama and pay any related fees (miners obviously don't have these) on time and you can be sure if it comes to it I will advocate for you.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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