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Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:37:10 - [1] - Quote The Imperium proudly presents Section 8 - Another step in Rental Evolution With the announcement of the Aegis Sov changes we decided to close down our old rental program, The Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere [PBLRD]. Now we all are living in this new world and after months of preparation, planning and testing we are now re-opening our gates for renters. First Things First Our old rental program ran for about one and a half years. In PBLRD people were able to safely rent systems in various regions and we never had a single incident of scamming. This is because from Rental Scams were forbidden from the very first day and this policy never changed. If someone is attempting a rental scam to rent a system within Imperium space (usually by requesting a down payment sent directly to them), please inform any Imperium diplomat. They can be found in the Goonswarm Federation alliance description. The rental scam prohibition is actively enforced by Imperium leadership. Why the Imperium? After the fall of N3 we are pretty much the only powerbloc left. Our coalition is controlling the north for years already and some time ago we restructured ourselves and changed our name from the old CFC to the new Imperium. Being one of the strongest coalition in the whole game, we are able to effectively control, protect and acquire space for its members and renters. On day one of the sov changes there were more than 280 systems in reinforce-mode - none of them were in our space. Our organization and our experience guarantee a safe live in the heart of our space. No other alliance has the capability to offer valuable, safe space at the moment, but with Section 8, we are renting out exactly this kind of space to any corporation or individual interested. What We Offer Guaranteed Sov system for renters to utilize A variety of systems including systems with Ice, nice True Sec and access to our stations Access to the Imperium's Jump Bridge Network No monthly rent - you will be taxed based on your usage of space Easy Access to empire via our Jump Bridge Network and a direct connection in our rentable region First Come, First Served - you are not bound to a single system, but you got access to a region! Access to any free moon in renter space System/Station Upgrades - you bring it, we will it for you! Access to Imperium intel channels Access to a specialized Renter Forum [Work in Progress] Join our out of game community on jabber Rental Fees We will tax you of 25% of your corporation's income We will tax you with 1 Million ISK per day per tower you own in renter space There are no fixed fees to pay every month - it changes based on your usage and needs In order to avoid awoxing, we will charge you a one-time entry fee (Chribba available!): 2 Billion ISK for a corporation with 1-50 members 4 Billion ISK for a corporation with 50-100 members 5 Billion ISK for a corporation with 100-150 members 6 Billion ISK for a corporation with more than 150 members. As a CEO, you will get access to a fully automated system that will calculate your taxes on daily basis Rental Rules First Come, First Served - The ratting site you are currently using is exclusively yours until you are done! You want to get a POS setup and found a nasty, untowered moon? It's yours! As a corporation, you are responsible for your members Every system in the Rental Space is available for you - you must not use resources of other regions NBSI - You are free to shoot anything neutral or hostile. Blue shooting will not be tolerated in any way! Paying your monthly taxes is mandatory. Not doing so will result in immediate expulsion of your corporation. You can, however, talk to us, if there are special circumstances that will interfere with the payments! Steps to Apply 1. Contact any of the following Rental Managers: Clewara (US TZ - English) Kathao Crendraven (EU TZ - English/German) Ting Mei (EU TZ - English/French) Alavaria (US TZ - English) Gilles Navarien (EU TZ - English) 2. Send the Entry Fee to the executor corporation of Goonswarm Federation, DJ's Retirement Fund 3. Register on our services as a corporation, along with an API 4. Make sure your corporation's taxes are set to a minimum of 1% 5. Once confirmed by a rental manager, you can apply to Goonswarm Federation! 6. After 24 hours of CCP's waiting period, you will be in the alliance and are ready to go. if you are an individual and you are interested in renting with us, that's fine as well! Talk to the listed Rental Managers to join our member corporation PubSwarm Federation [NOBUX] As an individual, you do not have to pay any monthly fee. The entry fee as an individual is at 250mil per character and there is a simple corp tax of 20%. No further payments necessary! There also is a public channel available! Join "Imperium Rentals" if you have additional questions or are looking for a contact person. Note: Do not send any ISK to a single person! Rental Managers will always ask to pay only to the executor corporation of Goonswarm Federation [CONDI] and no where else! CHRIBBA SECURED If you want to use Chribba for the initial entry fee, that's totally fine! Mention when talking to a Rental Manager and we will set everything safely. You will have to pay his fee, though. Question? Concerns? Comments? Join our ingame channel "Imperium Rentals" and contact one of our Rental Managers if you got any questions!
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1769	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:43:29 - [2] - Quote Aryth DREAMers Act is a go. Lush pastures, landscaping, and wine. Come hither and drink from my cup. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Creator of Burn Jita Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Lim Yoona 14	Posted - 2015.07.18 18:03:59 - [3] - Quote What are the logistics to Jita like from this space?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33	Posted - 2015.07.18 18:29:47 - [4] - Quote The space is connected with a highsec entry and with a jump freighter you will need about 3 jumps to end up in a lowsec system nearby Jita.
Kelsey Auditore Section 8. 138	Posted - 2015.07.18 19:10:29 - [5] - Quote But my corp name
scorchlikeshiswhiskey Totally Abstract O X I D E 431	Posted - 2015.07.18 19:41:54 - [6] - Quote Kelsey Auditore wrote: But my corp name Has been seized by mittens and this imperium thing
Jenshae Chiroptera 1998	Posted - 2015.07.18 20:09:20 - [7] - Quote If you rent from Goons, consider just what you are helping to fund. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
SilentAsTheGrave Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 339	Posted - 2015.07.18 20:33:45 - [8] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: On day one of the sov changes there were more than 280 systems in reinforce-mode - none of them were in our space. SMA is no longer part of your coalition? Buddy Program: If you sign up with my buddy invite link and subscribe with a valid payment method - I will give you 95% of the going rate for PLEX!
Chalithra Lathar Rhongomiant Legion Industries The Explicit Alliance 31	Posted - 2015.07.18 20:34:26 - [9] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: If you rent from Goons, consider just what you are helping to fund. well they're dumb enough to rent in the first place, what do you expect?
Luxotor This Cyno Will Eventually Make Sense 61	Posted - 2015.07.18 20:39:49 - [10] - Quote C933EEF2A1B5AA30C8106363A108318AAA8CF89B THE NIGHT IS DARK AND FULL OF TERRORS!
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1111	Posted - 2015.07.18 20:51:51 - [11] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: If you rent from Goons, consider just what you are helping to fund. specifically, making every day of this guy's life a little bit worse rent today!
El Space Mariachi Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 197	Posted - 2015.07.18 20:52:09 - [12] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: If you rent from Goons, consider just what you are helping to fund. That is, cool people doing cool things )) gay gamers for jesus
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6723	Posted - 2015.07.18 21:28:33 - [13] - Quote Welcome back to everyone who was with us the last time and might be rejoining the fun in nullsec :) ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Dog0fWaRR Origin. Black Legion. 30	Posted - 2015.07.18 21:34:08 - [14] - Quote This service is wayyyyyyyy better than the BL Rental service. I'd urge all current BL renters to head on over to the Goonie renting service! Better Service, Better Pizza, Papa Mittens.
Skeluera Egivand Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 13	Posted - 2015.07.18 21:50:45 - [15] - Quote how are you going to tax profit made with mining?
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1761	Posted - 2015.07.18 22:14:00 - [16] - Quote Skeluera Egivand wrote: how are you going to tax profit made with mining? We're not. Once accepted, you're free to mine as much as you want, and export to Jita, refine in place, or whatever you feel like. We'll also install mining upgrades as needed. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 6186	Posted - 2015.07.18 22:40:24 - [17] - Quote Quote: 8) This forum is for selling items, you may reply to the threads with bids or questions regarding the item. All other posts are off topic and will be removed. Removed some off topic posts. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6724	Posted - 2015.07.19 01:10:48 - [18] - Quote Note that refining in nullsec is ~pretty great~ and there's also ~nullsec industry~ that loves to buy minerals. And now it's even closer to our ~industry home~ than our previous rental areas, so yeah definitely mining is a rather sweet deal. Also, it seems that if you're a "solo" (not in a corp) miner you can enroll all your alts into NOBUX for the standard entry fee and be good to go~ ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
USS YORKTOWN Quovis The Bastion 3	Posted - 2015.07.19 03:47:50 - [19] - Quote Could the op clarify whether the 25% tax rate is 25% of all ratting ticks or 25% of taxes that the corp brings in? You confused Reddit. Good job.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6725	Posted - 2015.07.19 07:38:37 - [20] - Quote USS YORKTOWN wrote: Could the op clarify whether the 25% tax rate is 25% of all ratting ticks or 25% of taxes that the corp brings in? You confused Reddit. Good job. It is 25% of all ratting ticks. To give an example: Quote: Suppose that Ishy rats 100mil ISK, this means that your corp will be liable for 25mil isk at the end of the month. Thus, setting a tax rate of 25% means that you will have minimum fuss in gathering the necessary sum (for ratting related rent) example2 If Ishy rats 100mil ISK and Chimmy rats another 200mil ISK, your corp's rent will be 75mil isk (25% of the total 300mil) No, you cannot just make a corp of your alts and then claim the corp had no ratting income. EDIT: Well if you only have miners that would be true. But we can check and see if there's ratting going on... but do feel free to mine lots. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Nick Actilete I'm Fine and You Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2015.07.19 07:40:13 - [21] - Quote Line member here reinforcing that rental scamming has long been against the rules and this is strictly enforced by Imperium leadership. You're in good hands, happy renting!
Andrea Portaro GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34	Posted - 2015.07.19 10:22:01 - [22] - Quote Nick Actilete wrote: Line member here reinforcing that rental scamming has long been against the rules and this is strictly enforced by Imperium leadership. You're in good hands, happy renting! This. I'm sure you guys will enjoy your renting with us, we're the best solution out there!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 42	Posted - 2015.07.19 11:30:04 - [23] - Quote USS YORKTOWN wrote: Could the op clarify whether the 25% tax rate is 25% of all ratting ticks or 25% of taxes that the corp brings in? You confused Reddit. Good job. If rephrased this part to be more specific. Kathao Crendraven wrote: We will tax you 25% of your member's total ratting income
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 935	Posted - 2015.07.19 14:15:16 - [24] - Quote I run a freight service within the Imperium and by the time the first renters move in we will have the whole region covered for jump freighters. The price we will set is 160 million isk +1% of the total contract collateral per full freighter of 350.000 M3 moved between Jita and your home station in [NOBUX] So if you want 3 billion in collateral then the total cost would be 190 million isk for a contract of 350.000 M3 or less This will be about half of what Black Frog would charge for the same route. If you plan to run a reaction farm then we can make special arrangements to reduce the price further. Once you get settled contact me through Evemail for more information. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Xenuria The Scope Gallente Federation 1014	Posted - 2015.07.19 14:17:55 - [25] - Quote Do I qualify even if I am blacklisted from the imperium? CSM 11 Candidate My Lore Predictions
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2015.07.19 15:40:43 - [26] - Quote Xenuria wrote: Do I qualify even if I am blacklisted from the imperium? No, Xenuria, even if we all know you well and your long time within Karmafleet was a great experience for everyone (especially zulu), blacklisted members are not able to join in this rental program.
Lestat deLincourd Masrani Global 8	Posted - 2015.07.19 16:06:15 - [27] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: Xenuria wrote: Do I qualify even if I am blacklisted from the imperium? No, Xenuria, even if we all know you well and your long time within Karmafleet was a great experience for everyone (especially zulu), blacklisted members are not able to join in this rental program. Wait what? You let Xenuria into Karmafleet but denied me? I demand blacklist equality! Would it help if I send Digi a gift basket? You know, I got his home adress. Also on topic, renting with the CFC is a very pleasant experience for everyone that wants shiny loot, either in form of rats or your ships. I'm happy to see that you continue your program. If you are a PVE corp with expensive ships and the average IQ of a CFC pilot I highly recommend to make use of this great offer. It's a great way to print ISK with fair taxes and you get free evacuation help if "The Imperium" decides to close this program down another time. +10 would rent again (if I'd be allowed to).
Jack Oat Brothers In Arms. 2	Posted - 2015.07.19 16:17:17 - [28] - Quote Few questions: What are the systems/constelations/regions will be available for rent? What are the station tax rates for renters(renters stations/ goon stations)? What stations will be available for dock to renters? Who will be + to the renters alliance i.e. standings? Regards, Jack
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3897	Posted - 2015.07.19 16:18:57 - [29] - Quote I ran PBLRD in its first iteration. While I'm not directly involved managing it this go around, dropping in to confirm that yes, this is legit. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Ripblade Falconpunch Centurion Logistics 275	Posted - 2015.07.19 16:22:30 - [30] - Quote Jack Oat wrote: Few questions: What are the systems/constelations/regions will be available for rent? What are the station tax rates for renters(renters stations/ goon stations)? What stations will be available for dock to renters? Who will be + to the renters alliance i.e. standings? Regards, Jack Read the TMC article also. The way I read it, you can go anywhere in Pure Blind - renters are not tied to any single system. If they mentioned station tax rates I don't remember it. IIRC - you can dock anywhere in PB, because your corp joins the actual GSF alliance - there is no separate renter alliance. You just can't go into Deklein without getting rekt. This applies to standings also, since you are in the actual GSF alliance. Disclaimer - requires verification. This is my understanding from this and the TMC article.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2015.07.19 17:02:36 - [31] - Quote Jack Oat wrote: Few questions: What are the systems/constelations/regions will be available for rent? What are the station tax rates for renters(renters stations/ goon stations)? What stations will be available for dock to renters? Who will be + to the renters alliance i.e. standings? Regards, Jack Ripblade is pretty correct here. We will rent out the region Pure Blind, limited to the eastern part of the region which has Goonswarm Sovereignity. For now you are not allowed to enter Deklein. As you will join Goonswarm, you will be able to dock on every station in our space, especially in the rented region. The taxes for these stations are generally 0% for most stuff and 15% tax for some services, which is the regular tax rate for anyone in our alliance. Standings will be +10 to every coalition member. You will join in as a renter corp inside of the alliance Goonswarm Federation and we do not intend to change any standings towards renters.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6725	Posted - 2015.07.19 20:29:01 - [32] - Quote Jack Oat wrote: What are the systems/constelations/regions will be available for rent? Pure Blind. That's all Jack Oat wrote: What are the station tax rates for renters(renters stations/ goon stations)? Your rental is based on only how much your members rat, and how many moons you are towering. You can use any station in the rental area. Jack Oat wrote: What stations will be available for dock to renters? All stations in the rental area. Jack Oat wrote: Who will be + to the renters alliance i.e. standings? Renters are in a corp in the GSF alliance, so anyone that has out alliance blue will see you as blue by default. If you enroll as a corp, that means the corp will going GSF (not a seperate rental alliance as in the previous program) ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Executor Ardur Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.07.19 21:34:26 - [33] - Quote Please do come and be their meat shield. Pay them and still get your stuff blown up by all the pirates in that region. Probably one of the hottest regions for pirates and other large entities.
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 86	Posted - 2015.07.19 21:40:30 - [34] - Quote What are you going to do about the local NPC groups in pure blind? Just curious? I mean, its great idea IMO, we have not had any neighbors since FA lived in 3v8, and that was absolute fun only being 3 jumps from them. hourly raids on them..... hot drops...its was awesome. It really would be a time saver instead of jumping 15 jumps to deklin, to just stay in pure blind, and mine away :)... err rat I mean.. or whatever it is the NPC groups do in Pure Blind currently
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 86	Posted - 2015.07.19 21:42:37 - [35] - Quote Angelique Duchemin wrote: I run a freight service within the Imperium and by the time the first renters move in we will have the whole region covered for jump freighters. The price we will set is 160 million isk per full freighter of 350.000 M3 moved between Jita and your home station in [NOBUX] This will be less than half of what Black Frog would charge for the same route. If you plan to run a reaction farm then we can make special arrangements to reduce the price further. Once you get settled contact me through Evemail for more information. How is it that the imperium charges 160m per JF load, and its such a good deal, and MOA only charges 75m per JF load from Jita to 5z? hmmm weird?
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 936	Posted - 2015.07.19 21:50:23 - [36] - Quote You serve a station. We serve a region. If you want to sneak some alts in and open a competing service for lower prices then by all means do. Let the market decide. Anything else would just be so much barking. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6725	Posted - 2015.07.19 22:46:08 - [37] - Quote Heh, last time it was N3's people trying to clog up our thread, now it's moa. As for the JF question people may have, we do have services, but it's also a fast travel to highsec from Pure Blind if you wish to do it yourself. Please be careful and scout yourself if you decide to fly an expensive ratting ship to PB, though. Much faster than when we had rental space all the way in the south of the map. Phew :) Executor Ardur wrote: Then you wonder why they went from almost 4000 renters to nothing ? Yeah, sorry that the CFC decided to rearrange the strategic map and closed our old rental program (Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere). Section 8 is much nicer though (for one, you guys will live closer to my home, thanks). You can still co-prosper with us. It's easier since our big hub is so close by too. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 815	Posted - 2015.07.19 22:53:12 - [38] - Quote I have removed an off-topic post and one quoting it. Please stick to the topic at hand. This isn't a political thread, this is a sell order. Quote: 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. ISD Decoy Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
captain foivos State War Academy Caldari State 283	Posted - 2015.07.20 00:35:44 - [39] - Quote MASSADEATH wrote: How is it that the imperium charges 160m per JF load, and its such a good deal, and MOA only charges 75m per JF load from Jita to 5z? hmmm weird? because you don't value your time don't worry nobody else values it either
Slutty McCarrierPilot Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.07.20 02:40:54 - [40] - Quote So just to confirm my understanding here from the TMC article... If I join a corp like Karmafleet, it's 15% tax to yolo carrier rat in deklein... AND I get to camp DO6H to merk whatever poor renter that accidentally jumps through the gate? So sick bruh.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6725	Posted - 2015.07.20 03:59:49 - [41] - Quote Do what you want, so long as you remember: To stay with blues, You follow the rules. ((I'm not a karmafleet recruiter, talk to me only if you're needing information about our Section 8 rental program)) ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
KiloAlpha SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Mordus Angels 247	Posted - 2015.07.20 09:35:48 - [42] - Quote Please can we have a few leadership or diplos in here confirming that this is legit ? As good as this offer sounds , normally things that are to good to be true are ,,, well scams So to all those people thinking of renting ... Goons don't like pubbies. ( there derogatory name for none goons ) and have been ripping people off For years , so be smart , get confirmation from a legit diplo or risk losing your isk Question ? ...... Are gsf going to inform said renters that pure blind is full reds ? And what will gsf forces do to prevent constant hotdrops from MOA ?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 44	Posted - 2015.07.20 10:51:47 - [43] - Quote KiloAlpha wrote: Please can we have a few leadership or diplos in here confirming that this is legit ? As good as this offer sounds , normally things that are to good to be true are ,,, well scams So to all those people thinking of renting ... Goons don't like pubbies. ( there derogatory name for none goons ) and have been ripping people off For years , so be smart , get confirmation from a legit diplo or risk losing your isk Question ? ...... Are gsf going to inform said renters that pure blind is full reds ? And what will gsf forces do to prevent constant hotdrops from MOA ? Our longterm CSM member mynnna confirmed it on page 1. Aryth, who posted on directly under the OP, is a director of finance and organizing everything here. Additionally, all payments only go over the executor corporation of Goonswarm Federation or NOBUX directly. We had a rental program up for one and a half years called Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere [PBLRD] (here's the old thread) which had space in Period Basis, Delve, Vale of the Silent and Branch and since then, the No-Rental-Scams rule was enforced. We never had a single scamming incident since the funding of PBLRD. If that still does not convince you, you are completely free to use Chribba, which was also stated in the OP. About your question: Pure Blind isn't full of reds. If you mean MoA, they aren't as big as they act like and they also have not the capability to actually endanger Pure Blind. Our recent history with the Sov changes in Pure Blind and in other regions confirmed that pretty easily. The region is mostly empty.
Executor Ardur Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.07.20 11:10:24 - [44] - Quote This is my experience. I rented with my corp before from them. Needless to say it did not went to well for us. The pirates and other entities are in continued war seems with CFC/Imperium. We became cannon fodder for them and nether the CFC/Imperioum nor any one else helped us. We would pay rent every month and we were scratching by. Eventually the pirates and other entities began to put cloaked ships to prevent us from making any isk and with the cloaked ship they will cyno hundreds of pilots to kill us. We could not do anything and it was decided that we will evacuate. Things were so bad that we went from 4000 renters to zero in a matter of couple of weeks Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere statistics After moving all our stuff to high sec I did the math on how profitable the venture was and realised that we were much better off gone somewhere else. The area was just too hot with activity. As soon as these pirates know you have moved in, that it, they will just be there cloaked 24/7. Never again will rent from CFC/Imperium.
Executor Ardur Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.07.20 11:31:29 - [45] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: About your question: Pure Blind isn't full of reds. If you mean MoA, they aren't as big as they act like and they also have not the capability to actually endanger Pure Blind. Our recent history with the Sov changes in Pure Blind and in other regions confirmed that pretty easily. The region is mostly empty. This is kinda truth. I must say. While the areas appear to be empty, there is a lot of traffic passing the system. The problem is not sov. Its the constant herassment once the pirates know you have moved in. And there is nothing you can do to stop them from cloaking a ship and effectivelly preventing us from making isk. I think the question here is why are they really empty? I know the answer to it now after my experience with CFC/Imperium. MoA are not the only ones but they are fairly active.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 44	Posted - 2015.07.20 12:25:05 - [46] - Quote Executor Ardur wrote: Things were so bad that we went from 4000 renters to zero in a matter of couple of weeks Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere statistics This was actually not because we evacuated due to hostile activity, but we closed down PBLRD over the timeframe of one month, because Fozzie sov was coming and we had decided against maintaining our Rental program. We informed the renters in detail about these plans and helped them to move out, as a former renter confirmed earlier in this thread. There was no total evacuation given due to hostile harassment in any case. Executor Ardur wrote: I think the question here is why are they really empty? I know the answer to it now after my experience with CFC/Imperium. MoA are not the only ones but they are fairly active. That's because Goonswarm actually lives in Deklein, TNT got space in Deklein, Pure Blind and Tribute and SMA got Fade and Pure Blind parts as well. Our "main regions" are as such the surroundings of Pure Blind, not Pure Blind itself. Hostile activity in Pure Blind is almost exclusively bound to MOA and we are fighting them off since the beginning of the sov changes, as they require us to actually be there and prevent Entosis attacks with fleets, while the old system allowed us to simply ignore some timers, which led to a rather slow process. Additionally, Pure Blind is not Vale of the Silent. It's right next to the very heart of our coalition, while Vale was our eastern border zone. Fleet behavior and hostile activity are entirely different here. Nevertheless, I am sorry your experience with us was rather negative, but I fully understand your point.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6725	Posted - 2015.07.20 13:37:13 - [47] - Quote I'm pretty sure that's a troll hitting all of moa's talking points and not an actual ex-renter of ours though. Not just because I've had lots of chances to talk to our renters living in the warmer areas in the previous program or anything~~. Either that or they're thinking of the people living in those other programs that were in the gunsights of reavers months ago. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Slutty McCarrierPilot Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.07.20 17:15:03 - [48] - Quote Just to confirm, if a renter got his afk ishtar blapped and decided to run over to YAO to reship into another afk ishtar, he would be KOS as soon as he jumped through the DO6H- gate?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6727	Posted - 2015.07.20 18:04:43 - [49] - Quote Like a broken record, huh. I'll make sure our ishtar producers know to move some product down to a PB hub since there will be a market there. Thanks for the heads up! By the way, every now and then ishtars are cheaper in nullsec than in jita, so there are some deals to be had (and for some other t2 stuff as well, ships especially). For example, if you like marauders, I know someone who makes them in quite a large volume. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Viktor Raybach GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 19	Posted - 2015.07.20 19:55:38 - [50] - Quote KiloAlpha wrote: Please can we have a few leadership or diplos in here confirming that this is legit ? As good as this offer sounds , normally things that are to good to be true are ,,, well scams I'm a member of Corps Diplomatique and a Diplomat for GSF. You can check our alliance description for confirmation here: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation I confirm that section 8 is entirely legitimate and fully sanctioned.
The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8295	Posted - 2015.07.20 22:47:48 - [51] - Quote I'm proud that our Finance directorate invented the first Fozziesov-functional renter system in this new era. Yes, this is legit. If you don't believe that, it's your problem. vOv ~hi~
Akballah Kassan Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels 3	Posted - 2015.07.21 00:09:14 - [52] - Quote The Mittani wrote: I'm proud that our Finance directorate invented the first Fozziesov-functional renter system in this new era. Yes, this is legit. If you don't believe that, it's your problem. vOv It's yet to be proven that you have created "the first Fozziesov-functional renter system in this new era". Lets see how functional it is when MOA, Pandemic Horde, Banderlongs and Raging Ducks are leaving cloaked alts around the renter systems 24-7, the High sec/Low sec entrances are bubble camped (as they most often are) and High Sec war deccers start camping the long high sec pipe down to Torrinos for easy kills. IMO you're just trying to get people you disdain to pay for the privilege of keeping Goon sov indexes up whilst being continually hunted (which will be a great scam in itself if you pull it off).
Executor Ardur Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.07.21 00:42:55 - [53] - Quote I feel sorry for the would be members. They are so going to get ripped appart just like we did. And based on my experience Akballah Kassan speaks the truth..
Asher Elias GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12	Posted - 2015.07.21 01:34:39 - [54] - Quote Executor Ardur wrote: I feel sorry for the would be members. They are so going to get ripped appart just like we did. And based on my experience Akballah Kassan speaks the truth.. I know Mordus Angels sent out an evemail telling you guys to crap on this thread, but you don't have to make it so obvious. A little subtlety goes a long way, let people draw their own worst conclusions. Just a tip for the next time you're trying to torpedo something.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6727	Posted - 2015.07.21 01:55:48 - [55] - Quote We've gotten our first few corps in, it's nice to see some old faces returning. Thanks to Krathao and Ting :) Our chat channel is also pretty lively now, haven't seen this many people in it since we opened up Delve. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Akballah Kassan Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels 5	Posted - 2015.07.21 07:28:18 - [56] - Quote Asher Elias wrote: Executor Ardur wrote: I feel sorry for the would be members. They are so going to get ripped appart just like we did. And based on my experience Akballah Kassan speaks the truth.. I know Mordus Angels sent out an evemail telling you guys to crap on this thread, but you don't have to make it so obvious. A little subtlety goes a long way, let people draw their own worst conclusions. Just a tip for the next time you're trying to torpedo something. Any evidence for this allegation? I'm just a current Pure Blind resident telling potential renters (victims) the realitity of the situation.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6727	Posted - 2015.07.21 07:44:58 - [57] - Quote We'll be sure to pass on your kind thoughts. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Executor Ardur Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.07.21 09:04:22 - [58] - Quote Executor Ardur wrote: I feel sorry for the would be members. They are so going to get ripped appart just like we did. And based on my experience Akballah Kassan speaks the truth.. Please no conspiracy theories ok.
Icycle Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels 1	Posted - 2015.07.21 09:16:32 - [59] - Quote It would seem other media are catching up to the truth http://greedygoblin.blogspot.ca/2015/07/you-didnt-want-those-sandcastles-anyway.html
Makhpella Bad Taste. 40	Posted - 2015.07.21 09:26:31 - [60] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: We will tax you 25% of your member's total ratting income nuff said
V1P3RR Goonswarm Federation 23	Posted - 2015.07.21 09:55:04 - [61] - Quote 5 nerds camping 5ZXX- is more than enough to keep MoA docked 23/7.. If they do get ideas about undocking just type in local "Zungen is loggin in" , this should keep you safe for 1 more week or so , rinse and repeat.
Icycle Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels 1	Posted - 2015.07.21 10:58:31 - [62] - Quote V1P3RR wrote: 5 nerds camping 5ZXX- is more than enough to keep MoA docked 23/7.. If they do get ideas about undocking just type in local "Zungen is loggin in" , this should keep you safe for 1 more week or so , rinse and repeat. lol its funny you should say that. When are you going to learn that we are capable of functioning If we werent capable of functioning with these camps below , we would have folder 5 years ago. But this conditions ironically enough has united us more and makes us laugh that although we are only very small compared to your coalition, you cant really hurts us. https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29776037 https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29774033 https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29751145 Good try but no cigar.
Xzykov House Aratus Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2015.07.21 15:21:12 - [63] - Quote Icycle wrote: We love ratting ishtars https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29779210 but our true love are carriers https://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29701487 https://zkillboard.com/kill/47965792/ And afk ratting ishtars love you!
Aedan Tau HPBS Security Services 0	Posted - 2015.07.21 16:28:47 - [64] - Quote Hi. I was speaking with a recruiter earlier this morning, but I had a couple more questions. My corp is currently built on mining and manufacturing, but if we were to join up, we would want to be involved in PvP of all forms. So, if we are involved in PvP gangs or large fleets, are there any loss reimbursement programs? If so, what do they cover? Also, as we do some small scale manufacturing (we hope to get involved in larger jobs. just taking some time... highsec does not offer much in the way of good minerals), Is there a functioning market where we could fill a gap and make a profit? Would we still be called "renter" when we moved in? Or would we actually be considered alliance members with the same regard as "non-renters" And lastly, Are there any systems set up to help move shop?
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 6193	Posted - 2015.07.21 18:56:44 - [65] - Quote Removed some off topic posts. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6728	Posted - 2015.07.21 19:20:26 - [66] - Quote Aedan Tau wrote: My corp is currently built on mining and manufacturing, but if we were to join up, we would want to be involved in PvP of all forms. So, if we are involved in PvP gangs or large fleets, are there any loss reimbursement programs? If so, what do they cover? We don't currently have any planned reimbursement for you. Actually our earlier Co-prosperity program had something experimental like that, but it was not really taken up by the renters in general, once you're settled in talk to us some more. (Busy getting everyone in the alliance and settled in right now) Aedan Tau wrote: Also, as we do some small scale manufacturing (we hope to get involved in larger jobs. just taking some time... highsec does not offer much in the way of good minerals), Is there a functioning market where we could fill a gap and make a profit? There's the Deklein market. Previous program actually had people going into Dek to sell, for now you will have to hold on that. You can always fill gaps in Jita. (I myself and a lot of others in null do sell stuff in Jita frequently, it's how it works. If your miners produce a lot of ore, there's definitely demand for it as well (you will get a good price for the "lowends", for the "highends" refine and ship to jita) Aedan Tau wrote: Would we still be called "renter" when we moved in? Or would we actually be considered alliance members with the same regard as "non-renters" Yeah, it's still a rental program. So you can take your interceptors all around the rental area to farm moa for killmails but please don't run into Deklein, you know~ Aedan Tau wrote: And lastly, Are there any systems set up to help move shop? There's the JF service who spoke up in this thread. They have a reputation for wide coverage, if you're moving to a station system (please do) then they can probably get all your stuff right in where you want it. Recommend packaging ships and just JFing if you are in highsec though. Flying mining barges though highsec-nullsec borders is annoying. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Aedan Tau HPBS Security Services 0	Posted - 2015.07.22 05:31:03 - [67] - Quote So, initially, we would be "sub par" members of gsf? (It's OK to say yes. We are still highly interested. I just want to get the full set of details before I make my Corp move again) is there a chance to become full fledged members as time goes on? So Dek is off limits to renters? Is that permanent? As I said before, we would love to join your pvp fleets but without any reimbursement programs, we would have to hold off. Unless of course, the ratting is really good.
Aedan Tau HPBS Security Services 0	Posted - 2015.07.22 05:34:38 - [68] - Quote If you would like me to contact a diplomat or rental manager with my questions, just let me know.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6728	Posted - 2015.07.22 05:53:31 - [69] - Quote Aedan Tau wrote: So, initially, we would be "sub par" members of gsf? (It's OK to say yes. We are still highly interested. I just want to get the full set of details before I make my Corp move again) Membercorps have things like participation metrics and so on. Actually not that long ago a corp or two got kicked for just ratting all day and not participating in ops. The relationship with renter corps is as quid pro quo as it looks on the main post. Most of the rules are basically the same ones we follow in terms of pve rights. Aedan Tau wrote: is there a chance to become full fledged members as time goes on? Honestly? It happened a decent amount in the previous program. But adding corps to the GSF alliance is a rare event, most of those joined alliances that were neighboring their region. Aedan Tau wrote: So Dek is off limits to renters? Currently, can't reveal more than that. Aedan Tau wrote: As I said before, we would love to join your pvp fleets but without any reimbursement programs, we would have to hold off. Unless of course, the ratting is really good. Well,one has a feeling sov pvp will turn into interceptors galore... that aside... It's under discussion. We tried something like that in the last program, but the ones who took us up on it aren't here as they're in other Imperium alliances now so yeah~~ ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Aedan Tau HPBS Security Services 0	Posted - 2015.07.22 06:03:43 - [70] - Quote Alright, fantastic. I think I've got enough information to make the correct decision. I'll likely be in touch with the recruiter I spoke with yesterday and a rental manager soon. Hopefully we can become full members in the future. If you have any tips on increasing the likelihood of that happening, I'd love to hear them. Until then, fly safe and I hope to see some of you in pure blind soon
Whiskey Juvenile Amok. Goonswarm Federation 44	Posted - 2015.07.22 06:35:20 - [71] - Quote Am0k Dotte is recruiting. If you want to join a pure blind corp, message me with your API and apply to Am0k Dotte in game.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6728	Posted - 2015.07.22 07:05:59 - [72] - Quote Whiskey Juvenile wrote: Am0k Dotte is recruiting. If you want to join a pure blind corp, message me with your API and apply to Am0k Dotte in game. I heard about this one, if you are a miner in particular, you may be interested in the support they have planned for you (mining boosts and direct ore purchases, I think). Your sense of naming though is rather humorous. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Sirhan Blixt GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 81	Posted - 2015.07.22 19:31:32 - [73] - Quote Icycle wrote: It would seem other media are catching up to the truth http://greedygoblin.blogspot.ca/2015/07/you-didnt-want-those-sandcastles-anyway.html You're abusing the hell out of the words "media" and "truth" here.
V1P3RR Goonswarm Federation 25	Posted - 2015.07.22 21:10:19 - [74] - Quote its kinda of amusing to watch so many MoA nerds trying to tell people not to come.... dont listen to the goonies! Any half decent pvp corp/alliance would love having some more nerds to shoot at , but no.. MoA keeps "warning" people not to come :) I wonder why :)
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6728	Posted - 2015.07.22 23:35:37 - [75] - Quote It's like all the fake concern when we were "going bankrupt" in Fountain two years ago (remember when we paid BL like a gazillion trillion isk while Test was raking it in from their reinforced moons). That or the idea that after moa's long awaited day 1 assault on pb when lasersov arrived, after our amazing defense we suddenly panicked and instantly pulled out a fully formed and integrated plan to start up a rental program. Because when we got the PB sov we expected to suddenly add 100% more people to cover more space with higher density than ever before. Actually I think we lost some membercorps that ratted instead of participated. At least because PB is GSF sov and the renters are now in GSF I won't get weird looks from them when my GSF/Goonwaffe cyno alt is moving around or stuff. Since fatigue I have even less cynoalts than before, and with good reason, you know? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Alp Khan GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 329	Posted - 2015.07.23 09:40:44 - [76] - Quote Executor Ardur wrote: I feel sorry for the would be members. They are so going to get ripped appart just like we did. And based on my experience Akballah Kassan speaks the truth.. Who would have guessed that a MoA NPC corp alt without any Goonswarm/PBLRD related history might post this under a Goonswarm rental thread? (Answer: Anyone playing EVE that regularly laugh at the collective ~intelligence~ that makes up MoA)
Alp Khan GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 329	Posted - 2015.07.23 09:43:35 - [77] - Quote Icycle wrote: It would seem other media are catching up to the truth http://greedygoblin.blogspot.ca/2015/07/you-didnt-want-those-sandcastles-anyway.html A member of the laughing stock alliance of EVE posting links to probably the most laughed at troll in EVE history. History is being made under this thread. I mean, come to think of it. The number of people that take MoA seriously is pretty much limited to MoA membership. For Gevlon, it's even worse. Not even the totality of MoA membership takes him seriously.
Alp Khan GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 329	Posted - 2015.07.23 09:44:56 - [78] - Quote V1P3RR wrote: 5 nerds camping 5ZXX- is more than enough to keep MoA docked 23/7.. If they do get ideas about undocking just type in local "Zungen is loggin in" , this should keep you safe for 1 more week or so , rinse and repeat. It is fabled that when you typed that in 5ZXX- local, an automated alliance mail goes to MoA with the subject "HURFBLURF ISBOXER CHEATER BAN HURFBLURF".
Alp Khan GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 329	Posted - 2015.07.23 09:48:31 - [79] - Quote Executor Ardur wrote: This is my experience. I rented with my corp before from them. As I've pointed out before, only a MoA 'secret alt' would have the brains to argue the above on a character that has zero PBLRD/GoonSwarm history. I'll try to make it easy to understand for the MoA pilot that came up with this hilarious plan: If you are going to do a propaganda/lie post on a shill character, that character should have a history which must fit in with the lie you are trying to spread around.
Akballah Kassan Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels 6	Posted - 2015.07.23 12:43:55 - [80] - Quote Still waiting for any Goonbots to prove they have created "the first Fozziesov-functional renter system in this new era". All I've seen so far is - 1) half arsed attempts at camping the locals in 5zxx, which looking at killboards for Pure Blind obviously failed. 2) Mining fleets trying to grind indexes that flee the belts in panic when a neutral/red name appears in local (if this is how 'leet' goons react god knows what terror we'll see in any new renters. 3) Hundred man ferox/harpy fleets scrambling round desperately trying to douse the continual fires caused by the locals using the new entosis mod.
Christina Algaert Gayman Island Holdings 0	Posted - 2015.07.23 15:12:23 - [81] - Quote Section 8... as in Section 8 housing? haha
V1P3RR Goonswarm Federation 26	Posted - 2015.07.23 18:51:10 - [82] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: Still waiting for any Goonbots to prove they have created "the first Fozziesov-functional renter system in this new era". All I've seen so far is - 1) half arsed attempts at camping the locals in 5zxx, which looking at killboards for Pure Blind obviously failed. 2) Mining fleets trying to grind indexes that flee the belts in panic when a neutral/red name appears in local (if this is how 'leet' goons react god knows what terror we'll see in any new renters.) 3) Hundred man ferox/harpy fleets scrambling round desperately trying to douse the continual fires caused by the locals using the new entosis mod. I`ll say again , you seem pretty determined to keep everyone away from Pure Blind (renters).. Must keep those mordus missions going eh ?
Akballah Kassan Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels 6	Posted - 2015.07.23 19:20:27 - [83] - Quote V1P3RR wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Still waiting for any Goonbots to prove they have created "the first Fozziesov-functional renter system in this new era". All I've seen so far is - 1) half arsed attempts at camping the locals in 5zxx, which looking at killboards for Pure Blind obviously failed. 2) Mining fleets trying to grind indexes that flee the belts in panic when a neutral/red name appears in local (if this is how 'leet' goons react god knows what terror we'll see in any new renters.) 3) Hundred man ferox/harpy fleets scrambling round desperately trying to douse the continual fires caused by the locals using the new entosis mod. I`ll say again , you seem pretty determined to keep everyone away from Pure Blind (renters).. Must keep those mordus missions going eh ? I just don't like the fact Mittens is trying to milk people of isk under false pretenses, making out it's a nice area for the casual PvE player to earn iskies when in reality they will be no better then terrorised space serfs trying to eek out a living in the borderlands of the Goon Empire.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6728	Posted - 2015.07.23 21:15:10 - [84] - Quote It's a fairly straightforward quid pro quo arrangement. Actually if you're a miner you can get away with hardly paying anything at all except your entry fee... oh yes, I double checked and it's totally legit. We have Caldari ice down there too, not only the most expensive (and therefore best to mine) but also has a good market nearby... AND can be useful to fuel your Rhea if you use one. I'd be more excited, but we already have Caldari ice in our home and I haven't been deep into mining for a while. Still have the perfect boost Rorqural & pilot though. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Baki Yuku Boob Heads Black Legion. 34	Posted - 2015.07.24 07:51:13 - [85] - Quote First of all let me say I think itGÇÖs a pretty decent way to do renting you got there though I don't think the way you do it you should call it renting at this point. More like citizens which is what they are since they share the same alliance etc. and pay you tax. While you defend them kind of. Where you lost me though is your taxing scheme. 25% of the total member ratting income is pretty significant. A average renter corporation usually consists of 10-20 people and from my experience making 3-6b a month ratting in GÇ£Guristas or SerpentisGÇ¥ Space is a rather easy and quick thing to do. If we say each member makes 3b a month on average 25% that means even with just 10 active people ratting you are charging 7,5bil a month for space in a region that no one can argue is total ****. You guys might either want to overthink the sort of space you are making available for your citizens or your taxation. Because as it is right now you are in no way able to compete with anyone else renting out systems the GÇ£old fashionedGÇ¥ way. After the anomaly buff a good system is only between 1 and 3bill a month and for what you are charging you can pretty much get the cr+¿me del a cr+¿me of space.
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 835	Posted - 2015.07.24 11:49:36 - [86] - Quote Let me be very clear for the final time. This is a sell orders offer thread, not a political discussion thread. If you have questions specifically about the sell order itself, please reply accordingly. Everything else is off-topic and will be removed. This thread has been on our dashboard every single day since it was created. We shouldn't have to devote so much energy to this thread. If you'd like to discuss the political landscape, please use the appropriate forum. Sell Orders is not that board. ISD Decoy Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 45	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:01:55 - [87] - Quote Bump. We are already at 16 corporations in our ranks!
KiloAlpha SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Mordus Angels 247	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:51:04 - [88] - Quote for cheaper rates go here
Captain StringfellowHawk Forsaken Reavers 187	Posted - 2015.07.27 00:32:19 - [89] - Quote I remember reading in the TMC announcement that you guys would be policing the renters to make sure they are active and Booting/bringing in others to only keep the best and largest corporations in your rental area. "Renters are going to be heavily policed to only keep the very best ones around. Arbitrary changes to the rules will likely come to make sure they stay in line and produce. The focus will be on larger more capable renters." I was wondering what Metrics you were using for this? Would you be going by Taxes collected from the rental corporation which would be brought in via ratting. Would it be by Corporation Activity in the area? Reporting hostiles, helping defend the area you are in, etc? Would it go by Corporation size or Online actives? Would it go by how well that Corporation or group works the Index? If so would certain Index's hold a corp more important over another? Bringing the Military index up is relatively simple, Sov Index increases based on how long a system is held, the Industry index is the longest and most worked to raise. Would Industrial groups have an edge in this rental agreement vs your regular site farmers? Would a corp in the 1-50 member group who is Mining up the Index's as well as ratting be held over a 1-50 member group who is just shooting crosses?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6729	Posted - 2015.07.27 03:09:52 - [90] - Quote There've been no substantive discussion on metrics, we're moving people in right now. An obvious thing to note is that when people can move around, it isn't as though you can tell how much they're mining. In ~particular~ I would advice not causing drama, as that will heavily cause leadership to lean against keeping a drama corp around. Captain StringfellowHawk wrote: Would a corp in the 1-50 member group who is Mining up the Index's as well as ratting be held over a 1-50 member group who is just shooting crosses? Right now it is safe to say that if the corp is active, they are most likely safe. It's different if all the corp does is station trade in the hub. I'm sort of (what the heck) at "heavy policing", do more than just afk in station, don't cause drama and pay any related fees (miners obviously don't have these) on time and you can be sure if it comes to it I will advocate for you. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 45	Posted - 2015.07.28 10:55:56 - [91] - Quote We currently do not have any minimum requirements up and we are still considering if that's the way we want to go or not. If a corporation of 20 people does not do a single thing over the month though, it's quite obvious that this corp is inactive. Even when mining all day, there still are some belt rats to shoot, which generates an entry in the API, showing that there is some sort of activity. That's the only thing we will be monitoring for now.
Leo Lennelluc University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:03:08 - [92] - Quote so if i have a small corp about 20 members... and we have 1 individual ratter who for example makes 1B isk a week so 4B a month.... the corp would only pay 1B per month? the rest are a bunch of miners
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 86	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:30:41 - [93] - Quote http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ION-FG What happens if I wanted to rent out ION-FG in PURE BLIND, and now the system is taken over by MOA, and the IHUB was blown up? Do renters get thier ISK back?
Captain StringfellowHawk Forsaken Reavers 187	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:34:06 - [94] - Quote MASSADEATH wrote: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ION-FG What happens if I wanted to rent out ION-FG in PURE BLIND, and now the system is taken over by MOA, and the IHUB was blown up? Do renters get thier ISK back? You would be directed to learn how to read and find out you don't rent individual systems, but access to a region. Then find out that MOA would actually have to take a region before Goons would probably care?
Icycle Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels 2	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:46:36 - [95] - Quote Captain StringfellowHawk wrote: MASSADEATH wrote: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ION-FG What happens if I wanted to rent out ION-FG in PURE BLIND, and now the system is taken over by MOA, and the IHUB was blown up? Do renters get thier ISK back? You would be directed to learn how to read and find out you don't rent individual systems, but access to a region. Then find out that MOA would actually have to take a region before Goons would probably care? the world is your oyster and I do what I want! Dont tell me what I can or can not do. Mass, please start rentign that system
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 86	Posted - 2015.07.28 18:59:45 - [96] - Quote Captain StringfellowHawk wrote: MASSADEATH wrote: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ION-FG What happens if I wanted to rent out ION-FG in PURE BLIND, and now the system is taken over by MOA, and the IHUB was blown up? Do renters get thier ISK back? You would be directed to learn how to read and find out you don't rent individual systems, but access to a region. Then find out that MOA would actually have to take a region before Goons would probably care? Ok lets extend that train of thought , what happens if PB is slowly diluted, and only 1/2 of the systems are goons? I know right now its only 1 that has been taken over, will renters then only pay 1/2 of the current fees. You See what I am getting at no?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6732	Posted - 2015.07.28 20:21:57 - [97] - Quote Leo Lennelluc wrote: so if i have a small corp about 20 members... and we have 1 individual ratter who for example makes 1B isk a week so 4B a month.... the corp would only pay 1B per month? the rest are a bunch of miners Yes, you are correct. There's no associated payments for ~however much~ you care to mine. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Akballah Kassan Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels 9	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:55:22 - [98] - Quote Just for clarity - will renters get any financial recompense if the number of systems or facilities they are allowed to operate in diminishes due to hostile actions?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6732	Posted - 2015.07.29 00:08:15 - [99] - Quote Fees are based on on what you use after all. It isn't like the previous program where no matter what you end up paying 5bil/month for a system. If your whole corp just decides to take a month off though, let us know so we won't be left wondering what the heck has gone on. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1111	Posted - 2015.07.30 00:59:55 - [101] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: Just for clarity - will renters get any financial recompense if the number of systems or facilities they are allowed to operate in diminishes due to hostile actions? We don't really have any problem with hostile actions in the rental area. There's some people who live in the npc stations but they're basically the local mice mice - sure, if you leave food out they'll nibble at it, but they're no actual threat, they're furry and cute, and they flee the instant you look at them. If they annoy you or you're bored then you can just set some traps and you'll crack their back pretty easily but there's no real need. I can understand that you guys are a little wary of pvp but don't worry - MOA will have a delightful time as a renter.
Devilish Ledoux GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 114	Posted - 2015.07.30 23:30:45 - [102] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: Just for clarity - will renters get any financial recompense if the number of systems or facilities they are allowed to operate in diminishes due to hostile actions? No. They will also not be compensated if the alliance disbands due to our sun going supernova, an alien invasion, zombie/robot apocalypse or any other event that is just as likely as MoA conquering Pure Blind.
Akballah Kassan Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels 12	Posted - 2015.07.31 12:07:51 - [103] - Quote Devilish Ledoux wrote: Akballah Kassan wrote: Just for clarity - will renters get any financial recompense if the number of systems or facilities they are allowed to operate in diminishes due to hostile actions? No. They will also not be compensated if the alliance disbands due to our sun going supernova, an alien invasion, zombie/robot apocalypse or any other event that is just as likely as MoA conquering Pure Blind. Thanks for clarifying. We'll get our cloaky campers and entosis alts into east Pure Blind systems asap.
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 86	Posted - 2015.08.02 01:52:03 - [104] - Quote IF we rent space and the station we have all our stuff in gets flipped? will you gaurentee to defend and get the station back? Alot of timers are popping up in pure blind? Is it as safe as you initially said? Type System Region Owner Time Remaining Defender Score IHub 7RM-N0 Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-02T18:53:33 0d 17h 16m 18s 50% IHub MI6O-6 Pure Blind SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2015-08-03T01:09:05 0d 23h 31m 50s 50% Station UI-8ZE Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T14:40:28 1d 13h 3m 13s 50% TCU D2-HOS Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T15:53:48 1d 14h 16m 33s 50% IHub OGV-AS Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T15:57:13 1d 14h 19m 58s 50% TCU Y2-6EA Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T18:17:02 1d 16h 39m 47s 50% IHub Y-C3EQ Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T19:58:48 1d 18h 21m 33s 50% IHub 7D-0SQ Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T20:36:08 1d 18h 58m 53s 50% IHub UI-8ZE Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T22:04:01 1d 20h 26m 46s 50% IHub EC-P8R Pure Blind Goonswarm Federation 2015-08-04T01:57:16 2d 0h 20m 1s 50%
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.02 14:23:44 - [105] - Quote You only listed one timer that happens in rental space and regarding that a single ship is able to reinforce something, sov timers are truly no indicator for safety anymore. Actually we are now up to 22 renter corps and they all say they didn't expect Pure Blind to be as peaceful and quiet as it truly is and none of them even realized that someone ran around sov lasering some structures. Edit: Additional news - we have just expanded the rental space by another constellation!
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 86	Posted - 2015.08.03 03:43:42 - [106] - Quote Does the new constellation include any of these areas? We dont want to rent in these systems? Station UI-8ZE Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T14:40:28 0d 10h 57m 25s 50% TCU D2-HOS Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T15:53:48 0d 12h 10m 45s 50% IHub OGV-AS Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T15:57:13 0d 12h 14m 10s 50% TCU Y2-6EA Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T18:17:02 0d 14h 33m 59s 50% IHub Y-C3EQ Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T19:58:48 0d 16h 15m 45s 50% IHub 7D-0SQ Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T20:36:08 0d 16h 53m 5s 50% IHub UI-8ZE Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T22:04:01 0d 18h 20m 58s 50% IHub EC-P8R Pure Blind Goonswarm Federation 2015-08-04T01:57:16 0d 22h 14m 14s 50% IHub TFA0-U Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-04T13:36:29 1d 9h 53m 26s 50% IHub MQ-NPY Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-04T16:35:48 1d 12h 52m 45s 50% IHub RZC-16 Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-04T16:39:46 1d 12h 56m 43s 50% IHub FWA-4V Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-04T16:46:52 1d 13h 3m 49s 50% Station HPS5-C Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-04T17:03:19 1d 13h 20m 16s 50% IHub ZKYV-W Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-04T17:09:08 1d 13h 26m 5s 50% Station MQ-NPY Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-04T19:10:56 1d 15h 27m 53s 50% IHub H1-J33 Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-04T19:14:46 1d 15h 31m 43s 50% IHub DT-TCD Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-04T20:52:21 1d 17h 9m 18s 50% IHub HPS5-C Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-04T20:54:08 1d 17h 11m 5s 50%
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6736	Posted - 2015.08.03 04:43:20 - [107] - Quote After the sov transfer, when systems have become GSF sov, you are free to use them as well. In the days following the transfer, you may see strategic mining/ratting fleets around, please welcome them and don't cause trouble. In some cases, the strategic mining groups might be throwing ore in space, but make sure to ask for permission to grab it. Leaking a Jabber broadcast, anyone already in the program please check the Section 8 part of the goonfleet forums for further details : Quote: I'd like to thank MoA for helping GSF and TNT transfer sov between one another in Pure Blind: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Pure_Blind One of the quirks of the Fozziesov system is that we can't just hand systems off between allies, some poor sod has to twiddle and hack and chase nodes to blow up hubs, then drop new ones. Station timers are an even bigger annoyance during a peaceful transfer given the whole Freeport thing. So shoutouts to our adorable foes for helping with all this scutwork: https://eveskunk.com/e/352576978 so we can skip a bunch of steps ourselves! We still need to do some cleanup on the EC- hub timer (that's a legit whoopsie) but if our foes would be darlings and continue to slog through all these hub timers for TNT and GSF so we don't have to do it ourselves, that'd be fantastic. Once these handovers are sorted and ADMs are at safe levels (3x is a good guideline), it's off to war - the faster we make ourselves rich ratting and mining in our new front yard, the faster we can go on a galactic rampage. Again, please do not annoy the strategic indexing fleets if you are in those areas, they will not be setting up shop there. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.04 09:11:33 - [108] - Quote Up to the top. We are preparing some major news for Section 8, get your place in today!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.06 00:41:17 - [109] - Quote Bump up
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.07 11:05:30 - [110] - Quote Bump
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.09 15:15:03 - [111] - Quote The renter forum is growing, we got several new tools up for use and the first month of renting approaches its end. Join up today and secure your place in Pure Blind!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.12 10:55:25 - [112] - Quote Bump
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.14 22:38:40 - [113] - Quote Bump
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.17 21:25:36 - [114] - Quote New renters everyday, join in today!
Larosty Li Dank Shekels 0	Posted - 2015.08.18 01:05:24 - [115] - Quote I would like to be a part of rental program but i can't get contact with any of the rental contacts, right now i'm in the rental channel waiting for some one to get online
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.18 16:58:10 - [116] - Quote Good thing I just caught you online! If we are not online, just mail us! Mails are checked every day and can even be handled over the EVE Gate easily.
MrQuisno Perkone Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.08.18 17:25:03 - [117] - Quote You don't offer private systems still do you ?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.18 17:43:14 - [118] - Quote No, sorry, we offer a wide range of systems (that will be expanded very soon!) but currently everything is based on First Come, First Served, not on exclusively rented systems.
Akballah Kassan Mosquito Squadron Mordus Angels 65	Posted - 2015.08.18 22:49:12 - [119] - Quote This service comes highly recommended by this renter corp member . . . . . . "Currently in a Null PvE corp, have been getting the short end of the stick lately with hot droppers, inactive members and just general boredom. " https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=440843&find=unread
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6811	Posted - 2015.08.19 06:55:54 - [120] - Quote Ah Dead Man Ops, I didn't know they took in people who've been highseccers for years. Dead Man Ops' base of newbies is growing, if you are new to eve they are a corp I know will work well for you. I will point out that for really new newbies, you will probably be aiming for a stable mining barge, and not blingy faction/T2 ratting ships however (those can take a while to train). The newbies are very cute, when they saw our fleet going through on an op they were quite amazed at the number and size of the ships... heh. They recommend it as stable as with the boosts and their buyback program it is a nice moneymaker with very little investment (a T1 barge is very cheap, and ventures as well) and pays for itself much faster than a ratting ship. Also, you can get into it fast, which is another bonus. The only drawback is admittedly you won't likely be roaming for pvp in your Procurer. Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Captain StringfellowHawk Forsaken Reavers Goonswarm Federation 192	Posted - 2015.08.19 12:29:45 - [121] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: This service comes highly recommended by this renter corp member . . . . . . "Currently in a Null PvE corp, have been getting the short end of the stick lately with hot droppers, inactive members and just general boredom. " https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=440843&find=unread As for one Renting and living in the same area as Jedi, I can personally say the Hot Droppers are Cute at best and offer the best Tears when our amazing landlords start chucking Anvils from around the regions onto their cloaky ships. The most amazing thing about this rental program is we are not locked into one system. If some risk-averse stealth bomber or proteus enters our system, cloaks up and decides to AFK in it all day, We just move to another system.. even multiple jumps away. You pay for access to the Pure Blind area, which is ever Expanding. Any system if you look at the map that says "CONDI" which is every expanding.. is our territory. On top of that for doing the amazing service of using the area and keeping Indexes high, the Landlord is only charging us a usage fee based off Bounties.. the Tax the corp brings in from Ratting. It's currently 25%.. So if the corp is a Industry based corp and wants to PI, Mine, Moon harvest, dance in stations, or shoot reds in the face It's free! As long as your are showing activity in the area. Your back is not being broken to make deadlines to pay Multiple billions of isk to rent a single system. The renter admins are also usually very quick to get back to you and are readily available to talk to when online. For all the stories I have heard of renting and the prior opinion I have held of renting, my mind has changed on it. I could be paying Docking fees, repair taxes, being nickled and dimed for other services like some other regions of Nullsec that I used to live in. When campers appeared in Providence which I used to dwell in, it was survive on your own. Sov holders couldn't care to deal with the reds unless sov was threatened or their own ratting was interrupted. Roamers coming in the area...Dock up! Camper in the area.. Move systems or log off and goto hi-sec for the day, don't worry he will be gone by the time you JC back. Here, You have a bunch of angry bees stinging the hell out of the camper once he decloaks on someone. It might not be right away. Hot Droppers don't do it because its difficult, they do it because its an easy grief mechanic and nobody pays attention. But they all get caught. If you want to live in the area, fly with common sense, Watch intel, Realize that ALL neutrals are evil. Be aligned, have multiple safe spots, use scouts to see what is entering the system. Use the tools that EVE gives you to survive. If all else fails.. just fly to the next system, That camper that minimized his tab to watch his main will glance over and see the system is empty as your profiting in another area :D To me tho, this is Providence life on easy mode. To some not used to the Null life, this will be a learning curve, as EVE should be. Will you lose a ship? Sure! We all do, this game would be boring otherwise! Just make sure you can at least take something down with you if they get you... Even a drone.. something :P Again, I am just one of MANY renters in the area. In one of the most Lucrative rental programs available to date. Usage based and easily exploitable by cunning industrialists and Combat trained personnel. Fly to the area, Fleet up, Get rich, Shoot some reds in the face.. in the end.. EVE is EVE no matter where you fly! Fly WReckless because Safety leads to boredom!
KiloAlpha SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Mordus Angels 287	Posted - 2015.08.19 15:45:02 - [122] - Quote Hi as self proclaimed high diplo of mordus angels I welcome you to pure blind We are happy to see more of you guys in our region and really enjoy blowing up your mining and ratting ship s , so please continue to rent guys. You are Basically paying goons 25% of your income to be blown up by our tiny and insignificant space alliance . Thank you for renting and see you soon Kilo
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.19 18:34:02 - [123] - Quote Hey KiloAlpha, I remember you paying up the entry fee to us, then dropping the application two times, so you totally could run around scream scam. We'd love to have more of MOA donate entry fees to us this way. Anyways, lots of space available, soon to be expanded! Contact us!
Captain StringfellowHawk Forsaken Reavers Goonswarm Federation 199	Posted - 2015.08.19 21:34:29 - [124] - Quote KiloAlpha wrote: Hi as self proclaimed high diplo of mordus angels I welcome you to pure blind We are happy to see more of you guys in our region and really enjoy blowing up your mining and ratting ship s , so please continue to rent guys. You are Basically paying goons 25% of your income to be blown up by our tiny and insignificant space alliance . Thank you for renting and see you soon Kilo As Self Proclaimed CEO of Forsaken Reavers It's a pleasure to accept your loving and welcoming Arms. It's not often you see such skilled NPC Station Dwellers of the EVE Community welcome new members into its area. But while we may pay 25% of Ratting (remember.. just ratting) income (which is a rather small pittance if you can work your most basics of Spreadsheets ) it is far less then our members would be throwing out isk wise in say... flying to SOTAs or CTAs of different Regions. Having to Scramble to Defend an area, when in this case someone else picks that tab up. Instead of my amazing members bleeding isk left and right to secure assets in SOV, or Low-sec and fighting to hold it, we can pay someone else to do it for us. Basic logistics and cost analysis shows this has already worked to our advantage. While The Elite NPC station dwelling members of the EVE community (I mean everyone is one these days Amirite, your just a fancier hi-seccer after all sitting in them npc stations all Risk averse since you got kicked from goons.) might gloat over killing a few ships here and there. I will try not to sleep to terribly tonight as I roll around in the unlimited Isk possibilities I have access to in the CONDI systems of Pure Blind. Knowing happily that at any point in time I can reach out to a serious alliance, one with a Winning Reputation for any of my needs. I have always believed in avoiding hanging out with the Bitter Ex's of EVE that just can't seem to move on. With Loving regards, Captain StringellowHawk Forsaken Reavers CEO Proud Section 8 renter P.S. For all looking to Rent with Section 8's.. If you're a past provi-rats like my group and other groups.. This is the simple life.. and far cheaper than renting any other region. If you're coming from Providence and looking to rent here.. prepare for disappointment.. Life is Severely slower Combat wise. The reds here are nowhere near the Game of those we dealt with on a daily basis. Fleets are always available to roll, Expect the reds to dock up Quicker than a war target in hi-sec if you have any real organization.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.20 21:44:36 - [125] - Quote We have started a great advertisement campaign and it's time to share some of our results. You will see the videos on the AT, too! Rental Evolution Section 8 AT Ad 1 AT Ad 2
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.22 14:54:26 - [126] - Quote Section 8 space is now extended to all of Pure Blind, opening up lots of nasty new systems. This does not go for SMA systems. Sign up now and get a piece of the cake!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.23 22:28:08 - [127] - Quote While the Imperium is marching to war, Section 8 is growing. Become part of something greater!
KiloAlpha SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Mordus Angels 387	Posted - 2015.08.23 23:51:36 - [128] - Quote Captain StringfellowHawk wrote: KiloAlpha wrote: Hi as self proclaimed high diplo of mordus angels I welcome you to pure blind We are happy to see more of you guys in our region and really enjoy blowing up your mining and ratting ship s , so please continue to rent guys. You are Basically paying goons 25% of your income to be blown up by our tiny and insignificant space alliance . Thank you for renting and see you soon Kilo As Self Proclaimed CEO of Forsaken Reavers It's a pleasure to accept your loving and welcoming Arms. It's not often you see such skilled NPC Station Dwellers of the EVE Community welcome new members into its area. But while we may pay 25% of Ratting (remember.. just ratting) income (which is a rather small pittance if you can work your most basics of Spreadsheets ) it is far less then our members would be throwing out isk wise in say... flying to SOTAs or CTAs of different Regions. Having to Scramble to Defend an area, when in this case someone else picks that tab up. Instead of my amazing members bleeding isk left and right to secure assets in SOV, or Low-sec and fighting to hold it, we can pay someone else to do it for us. Basic logistics and cost analysis shows this has already worked to our advantage. While The Elite NPC station dwelling members of the EVE community (I mean everyone is one these days Amirite, your just a fancier hi-seccer after all sitting in them npc stations all Risk averse since you got kicked from goons.) might gloat over killing a few ships here and there. I will try not to sleep to terribly tonight as I roll around in the unlimited Isk possibilities I have access to in the CONDI systems of Pure Blind. Knowing happily that at any point in time I can reach out to a serious alliance, one with a Winning Reputation for any of my needs. I have always believed in avoiding hanging out with the Bitter Ex's of EVE that just can't seem to move on. With Loving regards, Captain StringellowHawk Forsaken Reavers CEO Proud Section 8 renter P.S. For all looking to Rent with Section 8's.. If you're a past provi-rats like my group and other groups.. This is the simple life.. and far cheaper than renting any other region. If you're coming from Providence and looking to rent here.. prepare for disappointment.. Life is Severely slower Combat wise. The reds here are nowhere near the Game of those we dealt with on a daily basis. Fleets are always available to roll, Expect the reds to dock up Quicker than a war target in hi-sec if you have any real organization. Your gunna wish you never said this chap
Akballah Kassan Mosquito Squadron Mordus Angels 65	Posted - 2015.08.24 13:27:36 - [129] - Quote Seeing as Section 8 renters managed to lose a ratting carrier worth 2.5 billion and a 1 billion Tengu last night to the local reds will you be stepping up patrols of this supposed safe region or offering compensation for the losses?
Akballah Kassan Mosquito Squadron Mordus Angels 65	Posted - 2015.08.24 13:29:16 - [130] - Quote double post
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6818	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:06:59 - [131] - Quote Life must be pretty good if they're ratting in such ships. I keep seeing procurers when I go to our most active systems. FYI, for mining corps: as we use a Standing Fleet, you can get rorqural boosts now in some systems (ask in fleet). While I have seen people selling Orcas down here, why not get some even better boosts :) Also. thanks to moa for helping us transfer the systems at last. Took you long enough, we've been wanting to use those systems but nooo we had to wait so much longer. All renters should also thank moa, also thank Aryth as you will not be charged more despite having access to even more systems now Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Akballah Kassan Mosquito squadron Mordus Angels 65	Posted - 2015.08.24 17:57:09 - [132] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Also. thanks to moa for helping us transfer the systems at last. Took you long enough, we've been wanting to use those systems but nooo we had to wait so much longer. All renters should also thank moa. Indeed and if any renters would like to show their thanks via an isk donation I'll happily accept any payments on behalf of MOA.
Akballah Kassan Mosquito squadron Mordus Angels 65	Posted - 2015.08.24 17:59:04 - [133] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Life must be pretty good if they're ratting in such ships:] Not necessarily, they might have broken the cardinal rule of Eve, flying something they can't afford to replace. Said carrier pilot is on the radar now, lets see how long it takes him to be spotted in a new shiney Thanatos. Of course I'm pretty certain a donation to his replacement fund via Goonswarm would be most welcome.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.24 22:27:11 - [134] - Quote If you ever are afraid of hotdrops in Section 8 systems, you should consider just doing this: https://zkillboard.com/related/30001997/201508241700/ Join in today and show that renters indeed have teeth!
BlueJeff Azul Lia's Lavender Corp. 10	Posted - 2015.08.25 12:02:15 - [135] - Quote Howdy, Basicly a one man mining corp with several accounts looking for rare ore access. Safe POS anchoring for boost and PI access. We, I, are interested but have questions due to your alliance rep. We have highsec installations and by joining may place them at risk due to alliance wardecs on y'all. Is it possible to rent from y'all but have only blue standing?
Miner A001 Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.08.27 08:50:45 - [136] - Quote BlueJeff Azul wrote: Howdy, Basically a one man mining corp with several accounts looking for rare ore access. Safe POS anchoring for boost and PI access. We, I, are interested but have questions due to your alliance rep. Overall willing to open discussion to access your space. P.s. Saw someone mention section 8 in relation to housing authority. However, could it not relate to the U.S. Military designation for insanity plea? Im kind of in the same situation myself. I evemail you from one of my mains, along with contacting one of the main guys that started the thread.
Captain StringfellowHawk Forsaken Reavers Goonswarm Federation 214	Posted - 2015.08.27 16:28:57 - [137] - Quote BlueJeff Azul wrote: Howdy, Basically a one man mining corp with several accounts looking for rare ore access. Safe POS anchoring for boost and PI access. We, I, are interested but have questions due to your alliance rep. Overall willing to open discussion to access your space. P.s. Saw someone mention section 8 in relation to housing authority. However, could it not relate to the U.S. Military designation for insanity plea? Thats how my I used it, Forget housing Authority.. I went for Insanity :P Doesn't hurt I used to be in the Section 8's alliance back in the day as a leader before it closed :P so much De'javu lately with names...
Akballah Kassan Mosquito Squadron Mordus Angels 66	Posted - 2015.08.28 01:32:03 - [138] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: Section 8 space is now extended to all of Pure Blind, opening up lots of nasty new systems. This does not go for SMA systems. Sign up now and get a piece of the cake! Are renters allowed to use the TNT constellation in the north of Pure Blind or is that out of bounds like the SMA space?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6821	Posted - 2015.08.28 12:52:50 - [139] - Quote Oh my, are you thinking of joining just for that area? Yes, the TNT space will be open for you when you join our program :) We were able to get this in very early on, as it didn't need moa to shoot the sov like the rest of the transfers. Some day I will tell the story about how moa delayed our provi deployment by being slow at shooting undefended sov, but sadly said provi deployment is over already so~~ Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.28 14:30:57 - [140] - Quote With said providence deployment being over, we are back home and Section 8 experienced how life in Pure Blind looks like when we are out of town: Small hostile groups like MoA are not capable of acting as an actual threat, even less when it comes to endangering our space itself. That's a great example of the safety of our space and if you seek safe ISK generating in nullsec, we are the ones you should talk to. Sign up today!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.30 11:28:04 - [141] - Quote August is almost over and Section 8 is going towards its second month. More than 500 happy renters are with us already, sign up today!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.08.31 19:16:10 - [142] - Quote It's time for another lazy bump.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2015.09.02 00:27:26 - [143] - Quote Lots of happy renters, lots of valuable space!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 47	Posted - 2015.09.03 10:35:07 - [144] - Quote Lazy bump.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 47	Posted - 2015.09.04 20:49:40 - [145] - Quote Join up today!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 47	Posted - 2015.09.05 21:48:16 - [146] - Quote Bump
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 47	Posted - 2015.09.08 12:33:40 - [147] - Quote We are revamping our JB network in Pure Blind to improve traffic and satisfy Section 8's needs. Join up now to the best infrastructure in any rental space!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 47	Posted - 2015.09.09 15:36:12 - [148] - Quote We decided to change our taxing scheme entirely. From now on, the tax rate goes down to 15%!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 47	Posted - 2015.09.12 11:23:02 - [149] - Quote Lots of space available, now with reduced taxes!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 47	Posted - 2015.09.14 22:22:12 - [150] - Quote Aaaand bump up
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 47	Posted - 2015.09.15 17:46:32 - [151] - Quote Space available!
Marcus DeMich Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.09.15 22:35:18 - [152] - Quote A mining corp made of alt of the same unique real player can enlist in your rental program?
Devilish Ledoux GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 116	Posted - 2015.09.16 02:24:47 - [153] - Quote Marcus DeMich wrote: A mining corp made of alt of the same unique real player can enlist in your rental program? They certainly could. Mining is a good racket for you because there are no taxes for mining because a) too bothersome to figure out a fair way to tax it and b) because the strategic index raised by mining is a pain to raise, so we like to encourage it in any way we can.
Akballah Kassan Mosquito Squadron Mordus Angels 69	Posted - 2015.09.16 19:26:22 - [154] - Quote Another happy customer ?? Quote: Actually as a Section 8 member we are not allowed into Deklein. We can't really even go into High Sec without permission. We pay a tax rate of 25%. And we can only buy things at the local goon trade hub where the prices are outrageous. We are not allowed to sell our ore to anyone but the corporation. Our CEO treats us like ****. Like he's better than us.We call him the overseer when he's not logged in. As soon as I can get out I will, but I'm afraid that all my stuff will get vaporized when I drop corp and try to get out of Null Sec. With any luck I'll find a cloaking device or some warp stabs to help me in my escape . . . . https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1461700565722278823&postID=3026530693984250199
Barubary Evans Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:26:36 - [155] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: Another happy customer ?? Quote: Actually as a Section 8 member we are not allowed into Deklein. We can't really even go into High Sec without permission. We pay a tax rate of 25%. And we can only buy things at the local goon trade hub where the prices are outrageous. We are not allowed to sell our ore to anyone but the corporation. Our CEO treats us like ****. Like he's better than us.We call him the overseer when he's not logged in. As soon as I can get out I will, but I'm afraid that all my stuff will get vaporized when I drop corp and try to get out of Null Sec. With any luck I'll find a cloaking device or some warp stabs to help me in my escape . . . . https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1461700565722278823&postID=3026530693984250199 Your link is buggered. Blog post: http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2015/09/in-wake-of-most-idiotic-titan.html The comment in question: http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2015/09/in-wake-of-most-idiotic-titan.html?showComment=1442424405838#c949608726122398369
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 47	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:46:20 - [156] - Quote Oh, I'm very sure Gevlon Goblin's blog is a good source for objective commentation on Section 8. Just for clarification and MOA's amusement: Tax rate is at 15%, not 25%. We lowered it very recently, check the last posts We do not limit anyone in travelling anywhere. No one needs a permission to go into highsec, lowsec or whatever. We can't even track that, why would we forbid it? No one forces anyone to buy in our local hub either. There are TWO shipping services up from private persons who ship from Jita directly into Pure Blind. And after all, shipping yourself is also a thing. You are not forced to sell your ore to anyone. There also are no possibilities to force you do this, so I really don't know what you are up to here. If you CEO is bad, talk to us what he's doing to you and if you're not happy, there are plenty of possibilities to switch. If you want to get your stuff moved out, do it. Ship yourself or use the services already mentioned. Collateral included. I know MOA is unhappy about seeing a working rental program right in their front door, but you could at least try to get actual comments or opinions.
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1182	Posted - 2015.09.17 16:05:26 - [157] - Quote This is a warning to anyone looking to post in this thread: This is a thread about renting areas of space. This is not a thread about the political implications of renting this space, the merits of any corporation or alliance, or the political nonsense that should instead be posted in the Corporation, Alliance & Organization Discussions board. ISD Decoy Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.09.18 17:45:03 - [158] - Quote If you ever wanted to part of something and want to experience the upcoming changes in nullsec, sign up today!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.09.20 01:02:01 - [159] - Quote As Goonswarm Federation is now deployed in Pure Blind, we will personally secure the space down there and ensure safety for our renters. Living next to the biggest coalition in the game is definitely an advantage - contact us today to secure your spot!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.09.20 23:12:48 - [160] - Quote We finished the revamping of our tax system, which now functions basically like a real bank account, making paying and managing a corporation's taxes way easier! Of course, the basic tax rate of 15% was not changed.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6848	Posted - 2015.09.22 04:17:45 - [161] - Quote Having a bunch of people camping 5Z was fun, but now I'm seeing more of these strategic ratting ops. What does this mean? 1. We're here for you :) 2. There's more room to rat! (And mine, of course). Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.09.24 10:50:29 - [162] - Quote Our new jump bridge network for Pure Blind is (almost) finished, as well. Providing support and fulfilling rental wishes since 2013!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.09.27 10:38:23 - [163] - Quote Time for a good morning bump.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.09.29 12:43:25 - [164] - Quote Space available!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.09.30 16:53:44 - [165] - Quote Our revamped Jump Bridge network is now fully operational. Infrastructure, safety and organization, available for everyone in Section 8.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:49:22 - [166] - Quote A new month, a new chance to sign up!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.02 23:46:10 - [167] - Quote Today we had our very first join stratop fleet, combining regular Imperium forces with renter volunteers. We successfully saved a renter tower from MOA aggressors, can't say this happens in any other rental program.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.04 23:32:57 - [168] - Quote Bump
Sir Gankal0t Fortuna Heavy Industries 27	Posted - 2015.10.07 18:41:29 - [169] - Quote What are the rules for renters about building supers or bigger?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.08 13:01:22 - [170] - Quote We do not provide the iHub upgrades needed for the building for supercapitals, as such, building supercapitals is not possible in our space. We do not limit the use or ownership of supers or titans though and anything that does not require an SCSAA is fine to build, too.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.09 10:58:59 - [171] - Quote We recently fixed our forums again and now have an article in the (in)famous Goon Wiki! The program is translated in several languages there, too.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.11 00:31:09 - [172] - Quote Bump
Banana 'Lama' SlamaYaMama Caldari Provisions Caldari State 19	Posted - 2015.10.11 02:09:49 - [173] - Quote Hi I'm interested in renting but I have a few questions. , are we aloud to moon mine ? Also can you protect us from the local NPC dwellers such as the famous MOA ?? Thanks
Mr qx Flux Technologies Inc Gentlemen's.Parlor 1	Posted - 2015.10.12 17:52:51 - [174] - Quote any 1 online
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.12 21:14:12 - [175] - Quote If you ever search someone to talk to, you can directly convo me or anyone else from the contact list in the OP. We also recommend to join our public channel to search for online contact people: Imperium Rentals. Generally you are completely fine to moon mine on any free moon in rental space and the question regarding moa has already been answered quite a lot in this thread. We sadly cannot protect everyone from any kind of hostility, but we have coalition wide intel channels, a great intel visualisation tool and fleets up all over the day to increase awareness and security for everyone. Additionally, we already saved several renter towers and had some joint op between Imperium stratop forces and renters.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.15 10:41:14 - [176] - Quote Time for a bump
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.16 00:37:52 - [177] - Quote Up
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.17 16:02:43 - [178] - Quote Lots of new renters recently, get your place today!
Ayx Shewma 0scope Goonswarm Federation 82	Posted - 2015.10.18 19:23:54 - [179] - Quote Banana 'Lama' SlamaYaMama wrote: Hi I'm interested in renting but I have a few questions. , are we aloud to moon mine ? Also can you protect us from the local NPC dwellers such as the famous MOA ?? Thanks I always chuckle when I see your name in intel channels. So silly.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.19 21:27:41 - [180] - Quote Section 8 is experiencing a raising number of PvP ops and motivated people are setting up amazing projects. Join an improving community in Pure Blind!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2015.10.20 22:44:29 - [181] - Quote Bump up
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 50	Posted - 2015.10.24 10:37:57 - [182] - Quote While everyone gets hyped for the citadel release, Section 8 is open for everyone! That's your chance to be on the good guys' side when CCP saves the game.
Habi Ahashion Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.10.25 21:36:23 - [183] - Quote mt
Gadolf Agalder Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2015.10.25 21:38:56 - [184] - Quote Now that I can use Black Ops jump drives to reach null-sec, it would be easier for me to test mining in Barges for Ice (though there will be a new Ice mining Frigate soon...). I also manage to jump other similar ships to mining barges with a Black Ops and a BR. Not to have to wait for a JF around or be able to actually locally move ships and equipment without being attacked jumping gates makes it or break it for me. I prefer do it without renting but it may be the only option.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 50	Posted - 2015.10.26 17:02:00 - [185] - Quote I can asure you that you will likely lose your ship rather sooner than later when jumping into Pure Blind or Deklein while being neutral in general.
Gadolf Agalder Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2015.10.26 22:38:43 - [186] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: I can asure you that you will likely lose your ship rather sooner than later when jumping into Pure Blind or Deklein while being neutral in general. Yes, indeed, and I do, but I use scout ships for that. Also, I don't plan on staying there long as neutral as it is quite time intensive on the intelligence side of the scale. Pure Blind or Deklein, which I assume is even worst although I only rarely been there, are not the only systems to test for me. However, I rented before and, as such, I'm aware that even a renter's tag provides very little in the way of security. Even if I paid some organization for protection, there is no way to enforce this. How easy it is to sell the info and cash in?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 50	Posted - 2015.10.28 18:17:41 - [187] - Quote It's nullsec, you cannot have 100% safety where fighting itself is always legal. Even if it's not technically legal, it's dangerous to do anything outside of a station. After all it's EVE. Section 8 is also not meant to provide 100% safety, we don't sell safety in general. We rent out a region where you can mine, rat, tower and do whatever you want and instead of having to participate in PvP operations, you pay taxes to us. Being Goonswarm, the space is relatively safe and we will protect our space (and rental space obviously is part of our space) from any invasion and sov attacks as ever. I suggest that if you are looking for a possibility to live in our space and use it however you want, you should consider renting. If you just look for a possibility to have some blues around you and travel around in absolute safety, this is certainly not a good way to go.
Gadolf Agalder Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2015.10.28 21:42:18 - [188] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: It's nullsec, you cannot have 100% safety where fighting itself is always legal. Even if it's not technically legal, it's dangerous to do anything outside of a station. After all it's EVE. Section 8 is also not meant to provide 100% safety, we don't sell safety in general. We rent out a region where you can mine, rat, tower and do whatever you want and instead of having to participate in PvP operations, you pay taxes to us. Being Goonswarm, the space is relatively safe and we will protect our space (and rental space obviously is part of our space) from any invasion and sov attacks as ever. I suggest that if you are looking for a possibility to live in our space and use it however you want, you should consider renting. If you just look for a possibility to have some blues around you and travel around in absolute safety, this is certainly not a good way to go. I already rented.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 50	Posted - 2015.10.31 11:50:45 - [189] - Quote Happy Halloween! New month approaching, it's your chance to get into Section 8 and benefit from the upcoming changes in an organized coalition.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 51	Posted - 2015.11.01 14:02:05 - [190] - Quote Bump
der Sardaukar Balanced Unity Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2015.11.04 10:34:05 - [191] - Quote I can confirm that it works if you realy want it. Some renting corps do their own PVP against NPC residentials and just for fun.
Mattis Mattis University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.11.05 03:36:00 - [192] - Quote Im thinking about enrolling, can you clarify some things to me? At the moment, i thinking about joining with a 1-man corp with about 10 accounts, 1. is this fine? 2. Also if i entered the rental program, i will be KOS if i enter a Imperium system outside of pure blind? (for shopping or flying an escalation for example) 3. Will i have access to GSF fleets if i feel like pvping a bit if i cover the ships myself? (buying right fitted ship from contracts for example) 4. What if i want to get a friend into my 1-man corp later on? is this an issue? corp would most likely not raise higher than 50 members, so there should be no issue for the application fee. 5. Are the Ihubs fully upgraded or is there a possibility if i choose to rat in a system which an unupgraded ihub, to get the upgrade installed? If an upgrade needs to be installed, will i have to cover the cost? I read all posts on this thread and those things are (atleast for me) not entirely clear Best regards
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.05 15:58:21 - [193] - Quote Not a problem! 1. Sure. There are no minimum requirements, neither in membercount, nor in taxes. 2. There are no standing orders to shoot renters outside of Pure Blind and due to the fact that you join the alliance itself, there are no different standings or something, which would make such an order difficult anyways. In general, you are not protected in Imperium space outside of Pure Blind if you don't have special permission by a diplomat of the respective alliance owning the space (which is a thing people ask for when they need to move something from there or similar). Escalations outside of Pure Blind may not be flown, although you can move there in a small ship, bookmark it and sell it - we have a special service buying those things, too. 3. Again, you are joining the alliance, so there is no mechanic that stops you from joining fleets. You will not get jabber or mumble access though, which makes joining regular ops difficult. However, it is possible that we setup some stratops as joint fleets, combining renter and imperium forces in one. We did this in the past already and will continue to do so. 4. Your friend as well as anyone else can join your corp at all times, recruiting is free. The application fee is exactly that - an application fee, that you pay once before joining, never again. Even if you multiply your members from 0 to 250 in a week, you will never have to pay another entry fee. We only look at the membercorp number when joining. 5. Yes to all three. There are systems highly upgraded as well as there are systems with no or very few upgrades (although those are very rare by now). You always can get an upgrade installed if the system meets the index requirements, however you have to buy the upgrade and deliver it to one out of many upgrade caches we have over the region. A shipment from Jita to DK- for example is covered by all of our shipping services and doesn' require any effort. Hope to hear from you!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.06 12:20:02 - [194] - Quote Bump
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.08 00:11:45 - [195] - Quote And up to the top.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.10 00:37:34 - [196] - Quote Lots of space available!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.15 02:48:19 - [197] - Quote It's the middle of the month and Pure Blind is having a special time of peace and lots of happy renters earning truckloads of ISK. Get your own seat on the truck!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.16 00:30:53 - [198] - Quote Up again
Globby ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 279	Posted - 2015.11.16 03:45:07 - [199] - Quote wow so good, been renting from them for 4 year, no problem 1 trillion isk made in 4 years just from ratting.. good service +1 vouch
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.17 01:10:29 - [200] - Quote I can confirm that Pandemic Legion is generally a very good renter of ours and we are happy to have you on our side. Also Globby, we love and miss you.
Joshu Mumon Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.11.17 18:36:56 - [201] - Quote Nevermind
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.18 22:26:18 - [202] - Quote Up
Krytan Reborn Reborn PunkZ CyberPunkZ 4	Posted - 2015.11.20 09:18:36 - [203] - Quote Im very interested in this, sounds almost to good to be true. So the easiest way for a corp to manage the payment would be to charge 15% in corp taxes right? If you only would want to save up for the rent fee every month. As im sure, alot of ppl has already taken you up on this offer, so is there even any valuables left? Like towers that make a profit etc? Or is it just about being on at the right time, hoping no one else rat, mine etc? I will probably be contracting an EU tz diplo soon, so its fine if you dont answer
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.20 22:35:07 - [204] - Quote Good to hear! Just mail or convo me whenever to get started and answer questions. Yes, the easiest way to not have anything to worry about is to set your corp tax to 15% - then your corp wallet will always have the right amount of ISK in it (disregarding towers) and you never have to worry about that. Also, you don't need to pay the rent every month. Due to our payment model, you are free to pay whenever and how much or how less you desire, as long as you don't stack up a debt for too long. And yes, there are A LOT of free moons available. Pure Blind has a total of 3735 moons and only a minority is even towered; a vast number of moons available for you. The systems are not crowded at all. You barely will see a system with more than 15 people maybe and upgraded systems can support dozens of people without anyone ever having to wait. Hope to hear from you!
Veinsha Kane The Jade Falcon Outcasts 0	Posted - 2015.11.21 19:04:01 - [205] - Quote Sounds good. Might be looking in to this long term. Out of interest, do you allow outpost construction?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.22 21:19:04 - [206] - Quote Generally, yes, we do allow that. However, we are awaiting further details about citadels to come up with policies regarding them, inbefore we continously build outposts that may become redundant later on.
Gadolf Agalder Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2015.11.22 23:51:59 - [207] - Quote I heard older structures could be tethered to the citadel, but I have no idea as to what will happen.
Veinsha Kane The Jade Falcon Outcasts 0	Posted - 2015.11.23 12:56:50 - [208] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: Generally, yes, we do allow that. However, we are awaiting further details about citadels to come up with policies regarding them, inbefore we continously build outposts that may become redundant later on. Fantastic to hear. Thanks for the response.
Captain StringfellowHawk Forsaken Reavers Goonswarm Federation 278	Posted - 2015.11.23 19:53:12 - [209] - Quote Krytan Reborn wrote: Im very interested in this, sounds almost to good to be true. So the easiest way for a corp to manage the payment would be to charge 15% in corp taxes right? If you only would want to save up for the rent fee every month. As im sure, alot of ppl has already taken you up on this offer, so is there even any valuables left? Like towers that make a profit etc? Or is it just about being on at the right time, hoping no one else rat, mine etc? I will probably be contracting an EU tz diplo soon, so its fine if you dont answer My corp has been out here for a few months now. Plenty of moons available. With plenty of sites to run since CCP buffed the spawn tables. Null now has more sites across all sec levels so the systems can support a bunch of us pushing a system easily. As for taxes I personally have mine set at 25%, Corp nets 10% to support its growing needs and 15% covers the tax rate. I have yet to hear any griping as lets be honest, rats don't make a players wallet, drops do. Since the tax is ONLY on ratting any members who use all of CCPs ways to get rich wont have to pay much. We have a market with holes to fill, Plenty of exploration to do, and mining to be had, Towering moons is also cheap and the fuel discount being in the sov holder alliance is also nice :D. All tax free. We pay on Ratting tax only :D
Cloaky Hunter Thera Division KAOS Unlimited 0	Posted - 2015.11.23 21:20:41 - [210] - Quote A few quick questions: 1. There is a fee at the moment per POS you have set up. Will it be the same for Citadels? 2. If we were to install an outpost/citadel would th corp keep control, or would we have to give control to one of the admin corps of CONDI? 3. I read that the renters wouldn't really able to join alliance ops, and wouldn't have access to Mumble. Can renters form their own PvP fleets, and is there a TS/Mumble service for renters? 4. How do you accurately track a corporations ratting income to determine the taxation for renting? 5. I read that I'd be able to defer some payments for a while (ex. I/directors are away for a few weeks and can not make payments immediately). Can this be confirmed by OP? 6. Are we allowed to set up our own POCOs? Is there a fee to have POCOs anchored? Thank you and good hunting, -Cloaky
Inara Podiene University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.11.24 01:38:35 - [211] - Quote How much do you guys charge per month to put a character into goonswarm for scamming purposes? I used to do a huge amount of recruitment scams last year when I was in goons and I truly miss it. Please respond
der Sardaukar Balanced Unity Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2015.11.26 08:37:07 - [212] - Quote Cloaky Hunter wrote: A few quick questions: 1. There is a fee at the moment per POS you have set up. Will it be the same for Citadels? 2. If we were to install an outpost/citadel would th corp keep control, or would we have to give control to one of the admin corps of CONDI? 3. I read that the renters wouldn't really able to join alliance ops, and wouldn't have access to Mumble. Can renters form their own PvP fleets, and is there a TS/Mumble service for renters? 4. How do you accurately track a corporations ratting income to determine the taxation for renting? 5. I read that I'd be able to defer some payments for a while (ex. I/directors are away for a few weeks and can not make payments immediately). Can this be confirmed by OP? 6. Are we allowed to set up our own POCOs? Is there a fee to have POCOs anchored? Thank you and good hunting, -Cloaky I'am at the moment renter but i was a long term coalition member. Kathao will correct me if i talk bullshit. to 1. That would be depend on, this seems to be clear when the first renter guy really want to set up an Citadel. POs claims a moon, citadels not. but you should expect a small fee. to 2. In the first time i think not, later maybe. Maybe it is to early to say yes or no. If there are some issues with your Citadel there are wrecking crews in CONDI/Imperium which will clean up the Citadel position... to 3. There are TS3 (separate) and Mumble (separate) services, forum and also intel channel access. There are also some renting guys which establish weekly or more times small gang fleets. In some cases Renters and main alliance line members share the same fleet for home def actions. to 4. Your Corp have to apply an CORP Api key. With that key the alliance track your ratting income and also tower tax of your corp. CEOs/Directors can gain access to a service page to show the daily tax fee amount (at least one have to do this to know what is to pay). You have to pay the bill at least all 30 days. But you can do it on a daily basis, too. To check it if the bill is correct you can setup your own master wallet tracking via Excel or Google Sheet and API polls. to 5. show 4. I pay by myself at least on a weekly base to have always at least an 3 weeks buffer. to 6. If the planet is without POCO you can setup your own POCO. If there is an neutral POCO you can shoot it (same like POSes). But to be shure you should ask an renting contact. You should also not **** up others with overdrawn taxes. You are not allowed to shoot POCOs and POSes from Allied members, NBSI. Hope could help you, iam not an native english speaker, so i also hope you can read it proper ;)
der Sardaukar Balanced Unity Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2015.11.26 08:50:16 - [213] - Quote Inara Podiene wrote: How much do you guys charge per month to put a character into goonswarm for scamming purposes? I used to do a huge amount of recruitment scams last year when I was in goons and I truly miss it. Please respond just read the first post and stop to troll. There are all scamming fees listed...
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.26 21:53:43 - [214] - Quote Cloaky Hunter wrote: A few quick questions: 1. There is a fee at the moment per POS you have set up. Will it be the same for Citadels? 2. If we were to install an outpost/citadel would th corp keep control, or would we have to give control to one of the admin corps of CONDI? 3. I read that the renters wouldn't really able to join alliance ops, and wouldn't have access to Mumble. Can renters form their own PvP fleets, and is there a TS/Mumble service for renters? 4. How do you accurately track a corporations ratting income to determine the taxation for renting? 5. I read that I'd be able to defer some payments for a while (ex. I/directors are away for a few weeks and can not make payments immediately). Can this be confirmed by OP? 6. Are we allowed to set up our own POCOs? Is there a fee to have POCOs anchored? Thank you and good hunting, -Cloaky Sardaukar already answered some of the questions, but I'll fix some answers from the official end. 1. We do not have any official policies about citadels yet. We will publish details on that soon. 2. In the past outposts has been transferred to GoonWaffe, yes, as we needed to maintain administration and management of an alliance-level asset like a station. As Citadels wil llikely replace POSes, there obviously is not that much of a need for such a policy there and medium/large citadels will probably be easy to deploy for everyone. However, as stated there are no official policies public yet, so you have to wait for a specific answer. 3. Pretty much as Sardauker said: We offer a lot of services for free use and there are several PvP ops available for joining, including joint ops with regular Imperium forces. However, PvP is not a requirement in any way, so you are free to try, organise and join whatever you want. 4. Yes, we require a corp API key when joining (that's not an APi key from the members or any personal information included, but only the corp as an ingame entity), which are used in our payment protocol to calculate and manage taxes. Directors and CEOs can get access to this protocol to overwatch their taxes themselves and pay whenever it's needed. 5. Again, as Sardauker said. The system works without bills and without a due date. You have a virtual ledger on which you have a certain balance of ISK. This balance must not remain negative for more than 30 days straight, which means you can refill the balance at any point to either 0 or above 0 without us even messaging you. This means you can pay whenever and how much or how less you want at any given time - you simply have to keep an eye on how long you remained negative. If you have to be AFK for a longer while, you can prepay or appoint a director to manage the taxes for you without any problem, too. 6. As stated already, NBSI for all POCOs. You are allowed to have your own POCOs and you can tax them yourself. Blue POCOs are not to be shot, but they can be bought from the owner, unless they are nationalized and in state's hand.
Veinsha Kane The Jade Falcon Outcasts 0	Posted - 2015.11.27 06:43:44 - [215] - Quote CEO went ahead and made the required payments, while performing the required steps, just wondering if there is a timescale to response we should be aware of, or if it is an as and when?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.28 10:28:05 - [216] - Quote Do not send us any money before talking to us. You cannot even complete the steps listed as you do not have the link to the form yet Luckily, I do not see any payment anywhere yet, so please contact me first before paying or applying to anything.
Veinsha Kane The Jade Falcon Outcasts 0	Posted - 2015.11.28 10:48:33 - [217] - Quote From what i understand the form was all filled out, and the steps followed. :)
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.28 23:54:38 - [218] - Quote I'm terrible at reading - yes, that already went through and all is well and in process, sorry for the confusion. Also, bump!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:26:00 - [219] - Quote Sunday bump
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.11.30 22:04:22 - [220] - Quote Up
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.12.03 12:21:26 - [221] - Quote Winter is coming and Section 8 is having a warm and comfortable home in Pure Blind. Get your own house today!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.12.06 21:00:12 - [222] - Quote Sunday bump
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2015.12.10 23:47:28 - [223] - Quote Section 8 is doing better than ever and Pure Blind is at amazing peace recently, as our enemies keep focusing on trying to kill us outside of the game by posting mean things. Lots of space available!
der Sardaukar Balanced Unity Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2015.12.15 09:43:16 - [224] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: Section 8 is doing better than ever and Pure Blind is at amazing peace recently, as our enemies keep focusing on trying to kill us outside of the game by posting mean things. Lots of space available! We still need more citizens!
Ranik Sandaris The Jade Falcon Outcasts Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2015.12.16 14:44:51 - [225] - Quote Been renting here for a few weeks. fantastic space, and a great community is starting to emerge. I certainly Recomend it.
Akballah Kassan Mosquito Squadron Mordus Angels 75	Posted - 2015.12.17 21:32:51 - [226] - Quote Can confirm Pure Blind is a ratter/miner paradise. No danger, peace and security all around . . . . .
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 53	Posted - 2015.12.18 02:50:17 - [227] - Quote It indeed is! You see, even MOA is admitting defeat here. Join today!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 53	Posted - 2015.12.20 12:52:00 - [228] - Quote Sunday bump
Akballah Kassan Mosquito Squadron Mordus Angels 75	Posted - 2015.12.22 13:30:56 - [229] - Quote Could you please explain why your alliance kicked this renter then AWOXED his Orca as he tried to evacuate? Not only did your alliance bro's kill him they then ran to reddit to boast about the nasty deed. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3x80al/that_sweet_orca/
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 53	Posted - 2015.12.25 04:01:13 - [230] - Quote My alliance did not kick this renter and awoxed him afterwards, but he left this renter corp (which we do not control) and once he was neutral, he got killed in his Orca. Rentercorps are independant organisations, we do not control them. If they kick a member or a member leaves it, then tries to get out of our space and fails to do so, well, that's nullsec. I'm sure MOA people know this very well, but I appreciate your attempt to denounce us.
Ayx Shewma 0scope Goonswarm Federation 109	Posted - 2015.12.25 16:16:35 - [231] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: rreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee *ALLAHU SNACKBAR!!*
Ranik Sandaris The Jade Falcon Outcasts Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2015.12.26 14:02:04 - [232] - Quote Bump for great justice.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2015.12.27 18:38:50 - [233] - Quote Slowly bumping into 2016!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2015.12.30 13:00:59 - [234] - Quote Holiday season is coming to its end and Section 8 is doing just great. Fillin' your pockets for 2016!
Ranik Sandaris The Jade Falcon Outcasts Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2016.01.01 03:37:57 - [235] - Quote Happy new year to everyone in section 8. And a bump.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2016.01.03 13:37:15 - [236] - Quote Happy new year!
Dmitri Dracov Pure Blind Fury 17	Posted - 2016.01.06 13:52:35 - [237] - Quote As official Viceroy of WMP-OF constellation in Pure Blind could you please advise your renters to buy one of our monthly 'Ratting and Mining' permits for 100 Million isk per alt, seeing as you offer no protection from roving gangs or hot droppers? Thanks. D.D
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 56	Posted - 2016.01.06 20:43:39 - [238] - Quote You are well aware that your scams are not even well planned or anywhere seriously executed, especially as you are so loud about it and post it everywhere on the "look guys Im scamming ze goonies give me props". Better try this on reddit or make a tumblr about it or something. Also, midweek bump!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 57	Posted - 2016.01.13 23:34:54 - [239] - Quote Up
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 57	Posted - 2016.01.16 22:00:16 - [240] - Quote Bump for justice
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 57	Posted - 2016.01.18 13:32:01 - [241] - Quote Great news! From today on, all Section 8 renters will be able to join regular Imperium fleet ops, join Imperium jabber and our fleet mumble. The days in which you couldn't really be a part of this community due to the lack of jabber access are finally over and renting space in Goonswarm now means another form of membership, not being below others. Current renters are already actively participating in fleets and on jabber and mumble, join Section 8 now and experience the new kind of renting experience - as part of the coalition!
Akballah Kassan Mosquito squadron Mordus Angels 79	Posted - 2016.01.18 14:14:11 - [242] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: Great news! From today on, all Section 8 renters will be able to join regular Imperium fleet ops, join Imperium jabber and our fleet mumble. The days in which you couldn't really be a part of this community due to the lack of jabber access are finally over and renting space in Goonswarm now means another form of membership, not being below others. Current renters are already actively participating in fleets and on jabber and mumble, join Section 8 now and experience the new kind of renting experience - as part of the coalition! So does this mean renters can venture out of Pure Blind into Deklein without fear of getting attacked by blues or is that still off limits to rental serfs?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 57	Posted - 2016.01.19 17:58:50 - [243] - Quote Even though your question totally does not focus on shooting on blues no, we did not expand our rental space into Dekelin. However, blue shootings to remove a renter from Deklein never happened even once since the creation of Section 8, even when renters moved through a couple of times.
Akballah Kassan Mosquito Squadron Mordus Angels 79	Posted - 2016.01.20 11:59:36 - [244] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: Even though your question totally does not focus on shooting on blues no, we did not expand our rental space into Dekelin. However, blue shootings to remove a renter from Deklein never happened even once since the creation of Section 8, even when renters moved through a couple of times. So you invite idiots to pay for the privilege of living in your wild borderlands (where they are constantly harassed and cloaky camped), are willing to let the same idiots become cannonfodder for your Coalition fleets but won't allow them to earn isk in the safer, richer lands of Deklein. Sounds like a great deal!
der Sardaukar Balanced Unity Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2016.01.22 10:47:02 - [245] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: Kathao Crendraven wrote: Even though your question totally does not focus on shooting on blues no, we did not expand our rental space into Dekelin. However, blue shootings to remove a renter from Deklein never happened even once since the creation of Section 8, even when renters moved through a couple of times. So you invite idiots to pay for the privilege of living in your wild borderlands (where they are constantly harassed and cloaky camped), are willing to let the same idiots become cannonfodder for your Coalition fleets but won't allow them to earn isk in the safer, richer lands of Deklein. Sounds like a great deal! Sorry but this shows that you have knowledge like an banana. In deklein more ratters losing their ships than in pure blind. in pure blind is more pvp content, yes. but this have nothing to do with renters and ratting. it seems you be the guy on reddit who posting "goon renters killed" and the killboard link shows no goons, no renters, but SMA guys. so it looks like that you will be the idiot.
Ranik Sandaris The Jade Falcon Outcasts Goonswarm Federation 3	Posted - 2016.01.24 22:24:08 - [246] - Quote Have another bump. Been renting out here for a while, and loving every second
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 57	Posted - 2016.01.26 01:08:02 - [247] - Quote Bump!
Knitram Relik Running With Railguns 22	Posted - 2016.01.26 10:37:08 - [248] - Quote Are there outposts that I could have access to in this region if I rented? If so, what kind of tax am I looking at?
Ranik Sandaris The Jade Falcon Outcasts Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2016.01.27 23:14:17 - [249] - Quote Several outposts are available scattered over the region. Tax is 15 percent of your ratting income.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.01.29 12:06:45 - [250] - Quote If you mean station access, yes, you have access to all stations in the region. You are free to use all functions that a station offers - refinery tax is at 15%. Jump Clones, Ship Repair and similar stuff is free, of course.
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 80	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:06:24 - [251] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: If you mean station access, yes, you have access to all stations in the region. You are free to use all functions that a station offers - refinery tax is at 15%. Jump Clones, Ship Repair and similar stuff is free, of course. Yes all newcomers to the Section 8 program will find a safe protected home in 5ZXX-K, probably the best system to base from for renter newbro's.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.02.02 12:56:28 - [252] - Quote No worries, we do have better options consisting out of stations that were built directly and managed by us. Also, bump!
Andrew Xadi Immortalis Legion 0	Posted - 2016.02.03 15:37:30 - [253] - Quote Hi! I'm not interrested in renting yet, but would like to get few more details: 1. I was in SMA and i'm familiar with First come rule, and there was also rule to not do sites outside sma's territory, unless it's an escalation. Is it also apply to renters? 2. From what i understand, taxes are from ratting and towers, so if i'm doing only industry(building stuff) i'm not paying anything, but fee while joining, right? 3. Let's say, that there is some free moon with valuable moon goo, and i take it. Will you ask me to leave it? And if First come rule also apply to moons, and from what i remember when you fly away from site, it's not your's anymore, is that mean, that if somebody's pos was destroyed, i can set mine there as soon as hostile fleet left it, or there is some time, previous owner can get it back, or i can't take it until previous owner say so? 4. Some fleet put my pos into reinforcement. Can i contact some1 and you'll send a fleet to get there to protect it when it gets out of it? Will you rep it then, that i could refill strontium bay? 5. Is there any super upgrade in any renter's system? 6. a if not, can i buy and install it on my own? b If yes or i install one, can i build this super? 7. I heard about the rule, that as a part of imperium, you can't sell supers out of it, are renters a part of imperium then(can buy them from imperium corp), or not(but can sell them outside) 8. If i somehow get a super, either i build it or buy it from other imperium's corp, are there any regulations about how can i use them? I mean can i do mining/ratting in super carrier if i want, and i can afford to lose it? And what if rental program would be closed again? Can i keep it, as i technicly not selling it anywhere? Will you help me get it out of there safely? Or i can't keep it in that case? But then will you pay me for it, or just confiscate? 9. If i can participate in goons fleet, can i leave rental area to get to starting system for example? Or will you take fleet to pick me up? But then can i enter non-rental area while in fleet? 10. You said, that you'll make a hub in rental's space, but then hek is also a hub, but there is not so many stuff as in jita, so can i go to some system in goons teritory, that is not in rental area to buy something that is not available in rental's hub? 11. Will we have access to every imperium's intel channel? like pb.imperium, or fade.imperium? 12. Can i be a renter as a 1 man corp? What if i join as a 1 man corp and pay fee for a 1 man corp and then 500 peoples will join me next day? 13. I've found a nice system, but without outpost. Can i install it there? If i do, can i keep it? Can i put a docking fee, even for allies and alliance members, to get my money back? What if you lose this system? Will you pay me for this outpost if you say, that i have to transfer it to other corp, or when you close the program?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.02.07 15:20:38 - [254] - Quote Happy to answer your questions! 1. First come, first served is the regular ratting rule for all members of this coalition, including renters. Apart from that, the rule is similar to SMA's boundaries: For Section 8 it's Pure Blind only, ratting elsewhere is not allowed, unless it's neutral/hostile/empire space, of course. 2. Exactly! 3. No, all free moons are available for you and first come, first served applies to moons, too. If you have a moon and it got moon goo on it, it's yours and yours only. However, there are certain types of goo that are always in the hands of the state (to be precise: R64s, Technetium and Cadmium) and while you are allowed to tower a moon that got those goo types on it, we reserve the right to take over it at any time. Any other goo is free for all and if you find a free moon, it's yours. 4. Yup! You can hand in your timer to me or another manager, we give it to the FCs and unless something important is going up at that time, we will help you. However, there is no official guarantee that we protect your private asset, but de facto all reinforced towers always have been saved by our troops. 5. No, we deactivated all SCSAA upgrades in all iHubs outside of designated super capital facilities and we are not installing new ones either. Building supers or titans is not possible in Section 8. 6. a) You can upgrade every system with as many upgrades as you like, except SCSAA upgrades. We are not installing those at any time. 7. Regarding that building them is not possible, this is relatively redundant but in fact you are able to buy supers and titans from coalition members, while we prefer to keep sales inside of the coalition. 8. Not at all, you can rat with them, mine rocks with it and lose ten supers a day if you want. There also are no plans to ever close this program again, as we designed it the way to survive any kind of new icelandic invention, but that would be a special case anyways, so I cannot answer that generalized. We will never confiscate any private asset of any member, no matter if we close stuff or not. 9. Yes, inside of a regular fleet you are free to move everywhere the fleet needs you to be and you can act and fly just like any other fleet member without any special restrictions. 10. We currently have two trade hubs around, one being the capital of Section 8, DK-, the other one being the (ex-) staging system of Goonswarm, D2-. Currently Saranen ist getting stocked up, too, as we moved there recently. Additionally, the shipping service makes it possible for you to import anything from Jita directly to your home for a small price. Due to that, using other tradehubs (that currently also are worse than our own, due to our deployment) is not possible. 11. Yup! Including Intel visualisation tools, standing fleet, Imperium mumble, Jabber and organized patrols and roams that clear the area. 12. Sure, you can have as many or as few members as you want. Recruiting more people afterwards is also fine, as it's a one-time entry fee If we see that you just removed members of your corp to lower your entry fee and get them back just to screw us, you'll be in trouble, but regular recruitment afterwards is cool. 13. Due to the upcoming citadel changes we are currently not installing new stations unless someone wants to spend money really really badly. However, the station will be transferred to GoonWaffe and managed from there, docking fees are basically blue ******* and as such, not allowed. If we lose a system, we will get it back, including all assets inside of it. The outpost will always be considered alliance asset and we will protect and manage it with our full might and leadership structure. Also, we transfer the outpost to streamline management and not have dozens of private stations lying around that cause drama and problems, not because we steal it from you. The outpost still is considered yours and we give you huge bonuses for it (for example, exclusive access to all moons in the system), but we do not pay it off you - because then, we simply could install it ourselves.
Andrew Xadi Immortalis Legion 0	Posted - 2016.02.07 17:51:29 - [255] - Quote Ok, it clear almost everything :) I still need some time to decide, but it's not so bad. However you missed few parts and also i forgot about something or just need more specific answer: 1. Can i enter SMA/TNT space inside PB? 2. Can i go to starting system while joining fleets, or you'll pick me up? 3. Do you have some kind of SRP for renters while in fleet? 4. "while you are allowed to tower a moon that got those goo types on it, we reserve the right to take over it at any time." I guess, that mean, that you'll ask me to leave it within few days/weeks, not destroy it, but will you help me take it down safe? 5. Pos is under attack and you'll protect it in most cases, but will you rep it at least to 50% so i can refill strontium bay? 6. " in fact you are able to buy supers and titans from coalition members, while we prefer to keep sales inside of the coalition." What does that mean? Is renter part of coalition, or not? If i can buy it inside, can i sell it outside? 7. "The outpost still is considered yours and we give you huge bonuses for it (for example, exclusive access to all moons in the system)" So if i install it in system with moon goo like R64s, Technetium and/or Cadmium, i can ask you to leave this moon, or this was just example? Let's say i'll install minmatar outpost with all processing upgrades, will i have any tax on processing, or you'll set 0% for my corp(no idea if game allows that, or it's just standing, just guessing), or every outpost in PB/Goons/Imperium have no processing fee?(never've been processing while i was in sma). Can i decide what name will it have and what processing tax will there be? If it's in GoonWaffe, i'm not reciving any money for processing and officess(not sure if it goes to owner, or ccp)., can i ask you to set it to 0 for every1 who can dock then? Is there any minmatar outpost with all processing upgrades in PB?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.02.07 18:42:37 - [256] - Quote 1. Yup, free to travel and be there, but ratting/mining/towering is limited to GoonSwarm's part of Pure Blind. 2. Sure, every fleet movement, including movement that needs you to get to the fleet, is not restricted by usual boundaries. 3. No, currently there is no SRP for Section 8 active. 4. More like "Please remove that tower as soon as possible or tell us who to annoy to get it removed by tomorrow or the day after, so we can take over soon. But yes, we will not destroy blue assets and deal with those major timers when we can simply reach out and talk to you. 5. Our POS defense fleets always consist out of combat and logistic wings. The latter will rep your POS up to speed up the entire op, yes. 6. No, you cannot sell supers outside of the coalition, as Section 8 is considered as a part of that. So far that situation never happened and the policies are less strict than with regular Goonswarm members, so this is mostly a case-by-case decision. 7. That example was not only a demonstration but is in fact a deal we have in place with people dropping stations. Excluded from the deal are strategic moons, like R64s, Techs and Cadmium as well as staging POSes, but exclusive rights for every other goo type and moon. You can choose the name of your station and switch it at any time, we usually streamline the taxes to our normal values (0 for everything but refinery, which is 15%) but one can talk about changing that for your station without a problem. About the upgraded nature of the stations I'd have to look it up, as API does not provide this information currently (blame CCP), but iirc we do have at least one fully upgraded refinery station around, yes. 8. You can do that, but the entry fees will not add up to each other, so you will neither get your 250m back, nor pay less than the usual 2b corp entry fee. Prices are set and not negotionable, except when a lot (<7) alts want to join NOBUX at once (in that case we usually give a discount). 9. Yes, we have two public compression array POSes up in Pure Blind, additionally most JB/staging POSes from GoonWaffe that are considered strategic, are open for use for every alliance member. A good number of private renter corps also put up public POSes along with free compression arrays, too. Not every POS is open for everyone (as I said, most strategic ones are), private POSes never HAVE to be open for everyone - that's the owner's decision) but usually people are quite liberal when it comes to that. Hope to hear from you!
Andrew Xadi Immortalis Legion 0	Posted - 2016.02.07 20:09:22 - [257] - Quote Ok, that leaves me without any further questions atm, but i still need some time to decide, i'll(or not) contact you when i made that decision. Fly safe
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.02.13 16:13:39 - [258] - Quote Bump
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.02.19 17:40:05 - [259] - Quote Up to the top
Ranik Sandaris El Ultimo Hombre Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2016.02.21 05:39:46 - [260] - Quote With all the fun we are having out here, i think this deserves another bump. Come one, come all, the peanut butter is all gooey.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.02.23 18:49:33 - [261] - Quote February coming to an end, Section 8 is doing great. Join us!
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.02.26 11:55:26 - [262] - Quote Bump
Ranik Sandaris El Ultimo Hombre Goonswarm Federation 7	Posted - 2016.02.28 13:35:47 - [263] - Quote Been out here a few months now, and really it is fantastic. The space is great, isk is plentiful, and now getting involved in fleets, and the community as a whole is even better. I have not had this much fun in eve for years. You heard right, eve AND fun can exist in the same place. Who would of thought? bump
der Sardaukar Balanced Unity Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2016.03.11 11:39:37 - [264] - Quote Friendly Bump. Come and have fun in Pure Bling.
Ranik Sandaris El Ultimo Hombre Goonswarm Federation 7	Posted - 2016.03.14 18:35:50 - [265] - Quote Come one, come all, pure bling is nice and warm. Join as a loner, join as a corp, or join of the corps out here. Either way we would love to see you :D
MssNova Novafamily Invasion Tactics And Technogies Prothean Alliance 0	Posted - 2016.03.14 20:30:44 - [266] - Quote hello, i need system in Deklein,can i rent it? Thank u.
der Sardaukar Balanced Unity Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2016.03.15 08:18:53 - [267] - Quote MssNova Novafamily wrote: hello, i need system in Deklein,can i rent it? Thank u. I don't if this a troll or you just didn't read the renting rules. only Pure Blind is available without any pinned systems in the CONDI SOV.
MssNova Novafamily Invasion Tactics And Technogies Prothean Alliance 0	Posted - 2016.03.15 10:32:25 - [268] - Quote der Sardaukar wrote: MssNova Novafamily wrote: hello, i need system in Deklein,can i rent it? Thank u. I don't if this a troll or you just didn't read the renting rules. only Pure Blind is available without any pinned systems in the CONDI SOV. I just asked man x)
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.03.16 12:20:01 - [269] - Quote No sorry, we currently do not rent out Deklein, but with all of Pure Blind being available and most of it already being upgraded (and if not, upgradeable) you usually can do just fine here already, so Deklein is not even necessary. Also, bump!
Klonazepam Lee Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.03.17 01:57:26 - [270] - Quote Hello. I-¦ve two questions: 1 - Talking about drama . if i rent as an individual, will i able to mine in every S8 system? even in those "occupied" for a big renter corp? what will happen if they don-¦t like me around "their" ores ? 2 - About security. i am a miner, so in most part of time i won-¦t be able to kill someone. if an enemy gang camp systems around me . will be possible ask help or inside pure blind renter is "every man for himself". ? Thanks. ps. sorry about my english , i born in Portugal.
Ranik Sandaris El Ultimo Hombre Goonswarm Federation 7	Posted - 2016.03.19 02:37:42 - [271] - Quote Klonazepam Lee wrote: Hello. I-¦ve two questions: 1 - Talking about drama . if i rent as an individual, will i able to mine in every S8 system? even in those "occupied" for a big renter corp? what will happen if they don-¦t like me around "their" ores ? 2 - About security. i am a miner, so in most part of time i won-¦t be able to kill someone. if an enemy gang camp systems around me . will be possible ask help or inside pure blind renter is "every man for himself". ? Thanks. ps. sorry about my english , i born in Portugal. 1)You will have access to all S8 space. It doesnt matter if a larger corp is there etc, you still have just as much right to use the system. Everything is done on a first come first served basis. 2) We have had renter fleets form up before for defence, as well as regular alliance fleet op's happening throughout the space. However, there is no "dedicated" security force per se, but if you stick to the populated systems, make sure you watch intel and keep in the standing fleet, you will be fine :)
Takuma War Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.03.21 08:26:17 - [272] - Quote I payed yesterday morning my entry fee to Pubswarm Federation for this char and made a application. No one of the contact is available and no answers of my mails. What are the normal time period for this process?
der Sardaukar Balanced Unity Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2016.03.21 09:50:43 - [273] - Quote Takuma War wrote: I payed yesterday morning my entry fee to Pubswarm Federation for this char and made a application. No one of the contact is available and no answers of my mails. What are the normal time period for this process? In my mind it takes up to 48 hours to manage your application, cause TZ shiftings.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.03.21 13:15:07 - [274] - Quote Takuma War wrote: I payed yesterday morning my entry fee to Pubswarm Federation for this char and made a application. No one of the contact is available and no answers of my mails. What are the normal time period for this process? I was in quite some stress outside of EVE recently, but I did get your mail and I'm doing it just now. That said, you only contacted me, while Dunraim26 for example was available from late EU to late US every day, as I had to push some work onto him, so that would have worked, too. Anyways, welcome to NOBUX!
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 82	Posted - 2016.03.25 15:41:01 - [275] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: [quote=Takuma War] I was in quite some stress outside of EVE recently . . . . . ! Seems your Coalition is in some stress in game, you still trying to recruit renters into a war zone?
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 82	Posted - 2016.03.27 10:15:50 - [276] - Quote Questions for Kathao. Why would anybody continue to rent when you are opening up all your space to LAWN and BASTION evacuees? Is it fair to your renters that you are now inviting in new comers from outside Goonswarm alliance to use their renter space for free?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 59	Posted - 2016.03.28 02:53:34 - [277] - Quote You never cease to bump my thread back up when I forget about it. The greatest service and accomplishment from any MOA person so far, that makes me happy. Also, you should read and hear our actual announcements again, as your last question does not make any sense and you simply try to use false information instead of actual doing research on google.
der Sardaukar Balanced Unity Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2016.03.30 12:45:57 - [278] - Quote MOA forgot to bump, so i will do.
Ranik Sandaris El Ultimo Hombre Goonswarm Federation 9	Posted - 2016.03.31 12:02:14 - [279] - Quote Still loving life out in PB. The fun never stops. Come out and join us :D
Kandali Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.03.31 13:07:14 - [280] - Quote Hi, I would like to join Pubswarm to do me ratting. No response to the mail. No response in chat. What gives? How do I join?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 60	Posted - 2016.03.31 15:31:49 - [281] - Quote Kandali wrote: Hi, I would like to join Pubswarm to do me ratting. No response to the mail. No response in chat. What gives? How do I join? I just answered your mail and saw you in chat. Welcome!
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 83	Posted - 2016.04.01 15:24:35 - [282] - Quote Anybody joining this rental Program at this point in time must need their head examining. The renters are being asked to join Goon fleets, Pure Blind is now literally a war zone with 4 systems lost by The Imperium in the last few days. Renter systems are now being attacked and perma afk camped. But if you really want to toss isk at a dying empire feel free :)
Mistical Smoke 4T-X-Steel Production Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2016.04.02 02:23:13 - [283] - Quote Ok so we have lost a few TCU's. OH no We are Falling apart. WTF ever. SECTION_8 has been sanding up and Fighting back. Yes we are renters. But we ain't ******* Lazy. Don't be afraid to join section_8. You get to participate in major fleet ops and got kill dumbazzes that disapprove. Then when your done. Go rat, mine, protect an i-hub, jam an entosiser, or whatever you wanna do. Don't worry about 1 cloaky neut in system. there are other system to play in. It ain't like he gonna flow you. That would make him have to do something. So yes Come join us in pure blind. Fight if you wish or raise the ADM's for us. Either way help win the WAR. http://i.imgur.com/gL6j9yW.jpg?1
Ranik Sandaris El Ultimo Hombre Goonswarm Federation 9	Posted - 2016.04.02 12:41:21 - [284] - Quote Dont forget, fleets are also optional. You are not pressured in to anything. MOA is just bitter they got chucked out the coalition a while back. Dont let the tears of bittervets worry you :D
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 60	Posted - 2016.04.02 13:35:48 - [285] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: Anybody joining this rental Program at this point in time must need their head examining. The renters are being asked to join Goon fleets, Pure Blind is now literally a war zone with 4 systems lost by The Imperium in the last few days. Renter systems are now being attacked and perma afk camped. But if you really want to toss isk at a dying empire feel free :) You'd think MOA would like to boost our renting because they are always so loud and keen about having targets, but Akbar is really just enjoying bumping for us. I still wonder how you could lose that VFK timer when we didn't form anything but frigates. In other news, the ENTIRETY of Pure Blind is now available, including SMA and TNT space. Lots of space to use!
Seraph IX Basarab Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies. 775	Posted - 2016.04.07 15:20:35 - [286] - Quote http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Pure_Blind#sov Why does this link say you guys are losing all of your space? Hmmmmmm House of Black and White An ingame channel dedicated to more interesting ways to play
Mai Khumm Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 827	Posted - 2016.04.07 15:39:02 - [287] - Quote I'm looking for some nice space to rent...can you rent me space?
Tehg Rhind Atlantic Innovations 12	Posted - 2016.04.07 15:53:39 - [288] - Quote Curious about renting some space, but had a few questions. When MBC flips the system will they honor the rental agreement we set up with you? It would be nice if you guys could iron this out ahead of time with them.
Anhenka Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1634	Posted - 2016.04.07 17:39:17 - [289] - Quote Tehg Rhind wrote: Curious about renting some space, but had a few questions. When MBC flips the system will they honor the rental agreement we set up with you? It would be nice if you guys could iron this out ahead of time with them. Nope. You assume this is a far more friendly war than it is. This isn't a conquering war where people are moving in after and feel like keeping the old renters. It's more of a burn everything, keep moving, and see what happens after when we reach the far end of Deklein. Plus there's no heavily structured leadership in the MBC. The leadership that exists is almost entirely in regards to coordinating out who's attacking where and focusing on what objectives. Most are hear to shoot the CFC, and would basically ignore anyone trying to act as a diplomat over the entire group.
Daide Vondrichnov Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 47	Posted - 2016.04.07 18:20:39 - [290] - Quote Tehg Rhind wrote: Curious about renting some space, but had a few questions. When MBC flips the system will they honor the rental agreement we set up with you? It would be nice if you guys could iron this out ahead of time with them. Noone know yet
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 91	Posted - 2016.04.07 20:26:18 - [291] - Quote I have it on good authority the renters have been inundating Kathao Crendraven with mails asking if they should evac their stuff. Let me tell you this renters, Goons will literally let every system fall in their logic of making the game as un-fun as possible for the attackers by refusing to put up a real fight, hoping people attacking will get bored of continual entosising empty systems. They will not defend your towers or assets. They will let their empire crumble in the hope enough people stick around to take back the sov once the attackers leave. Now staying loyal to your overlords is your decision but you are going to see less and less space available with more and more Coalition refugees trying to use what's left. It's like renting a flat from a landlord, then having the local hoodlums kick your front door in and start trashing the place. Instead of grabbing a baseball bat and attacking the looters or calling in some of his heavies to help out, he just barricades the living room and hallway off from the rest of the house the best he can and tells you don't worry they will leave when they get bored. Then he opens up the back door and says "oh by the way I've got a few friends who need somewhere to sleep for the time being" and in pour a dozen or so new people expecting to share the flat with you!
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1068	Posted - 2016.04.07 20:35:15 - [292] - Quote We're liberating you renters from your slumlords. Rise up against the slave owners who use and abuse you. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Zappity Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 2812	Posted - 2016.04.07 20:42:44 - [293] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Pure_Blind#sov Why does this link say you guys are losing all of your space? Hmmmmmm Lies! The goons will come to help. They must... Just like they did in Vale of the Silent. And Tenal. And Fade. And Tribute. So join up today! What could possibly go wrong? I enjoy a good asset firesale. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 91	Posted - 2016.04.07 22:08:59 - [294] - Quote Reading this leak from the CFC 'elites' offering their opinions on the war should end anybody's aspirations to join this dying rental program. It might have been good while it lasted but it's dying fast. http://pastebin.com/scKpkm6j
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 91	Posted - 2016.04.07 22:11:30 - [295] - Quote Zappity wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Pure_Blind#sov Why does this link say you guys are losing all of your space? Hmmmmmm Lies! The goons will come to help. They must... Just like they did in Vale of the Silent. And Tenal. And Fade. And Tribute. So join up today! What could possibly go wrong? I enjoy a good asset firesale. Actually I think the cry from the poor SMA guy was "Goons will come . . . . they must come" but of course the Goons never came. I think the mods should close this thread now seeing as the service being offered is no longer available.
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 61	Posted - 2016.04.08 21:28:17 - [296] - Quote Haha I'm glad it was pinged to you to bump my thread back into relevance. Lots of space available, all of Pure Blind open for business and this war is far from over!
Ranik Sandaris El Ultimo Hombre Goonswarm Federation 11	Posted - 2016.04.10 17:19:19 - [297] - Quote "slumlords" lol. Renting out here is cheap. And i have had more fun in the last 3 months, compared to the last 9 years in game. Join us now :D
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 91	Posted - 2016.04.11 13:15:56 - [298] - Quote Ranik Sandaris wrote: "slumlords" lol. Renting out here is cheap. And i have had more fun in the last 3 months, compared to the last 9 years in game. Join us now :D As a renter how do you feel about fail corps from SMA being allowed to join Goonswarm proper whilst your own Corp only has second class status as Section 8 rental serfs?
Ranik Sandaris El Ultimo Hombre Goonswarm Federation 11	Posted - 2016.04.11 17:33:09 - [299] - Quote Well considering we pay the same tax rate, have less obligations, and more freedom, i feel just fine. Like i said, so much fun to be had out here, which at the end of the day is what we all want from a game no? Thanks Akballah for the bump :D Come, join section 8 now, much fun to be had.
L1ghts Meltdown Agenda 1	Posted - 2016.04.19 02:17:17 - [300] - Quote still having fun?
Kathao Crendraven GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 62	Posted - 2016.04.19 15:21:42 - [301] - Quote To be honest, I closed Section 8 recruitment a week ago already but didn't feel like bumping this back up for obvious reasons, but someone has to bust me, you evil person, you. This offer is currently unavailable and this thread can be closed, assuming there are any ISD people left who feel like doing their job. We will re-open Section 8 recruitment on a later point in a new thread. You are now free to post this on reddit and declare victory, Akballah.
Akballah Kassan Flames Of Chaos Mordus Angels 95	Posted - 2016.04.19 21:53:43 - [302] - Quote Kathao Crendraven wrote: To be honest, I closed Section 8 recruitment a week ago already but didn't feel like bumping this back up for obvious reasons, but someone has to bust me, you evil person, you. This offer is currently unavailable and this thread can be closed, assuming there are any ISD people left who feel like doing their job. We will re-open Section 8 recruitment on a later point in a new thread. You are now free to post this on reddit and declare victory, Akballah. Actually I was gonna let this thread lie. I'll leave it off Reddit mate, no need to rub it in. Also I liked your opinion piece on TMC. Nice to see some people willing to speak out against 'The Shareholders'.
Kal en Chalune 1st. Canadian Rubber Boat Flotilla 0	Posted - 2016.07.03 22:15:57 - [303] - Quote lol goons biggest scammers around they like Chinese real estate buyers

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