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Spoon Thumb
Crystaline Green
Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.12.02 13:49:00 -
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Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense.
Should we be regarding them as general pirates?
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Spoon Thumb - I can scoop ice cream with my thumbs!
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breadcat
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Posted - 2006.12.02 13:53:00 -
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Yes, ASCN are ebil pirats. 
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Sku1ly
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:11:00 -
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Depends where you are.
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Feterous Jolin
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:13:00 -
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Some ASCN pilots do tend to pirate, though to clarify this you should really explain in what region you were in and what you were doing. ASCN is undergoing a massive invasion, you would be hard pressed not to find an ASCN pilot on edge. Perhaps some are more jumpy then others and fired on your ship?
I would not go and classify a three thousand plus member alliance as pirates from a single incident that was not even clearly defined.
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:15:00 -
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when in doubt shoot first and ask later.
standard operating procedure in 0.0
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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Spoon Thumb
Crystaline Green
Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Feterous Jolin
to clarify this you should really explain in what region you were in and what you were doing.
Khanid low sec, missions
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Spoon Thumb - I can scoop ice cream with my thumbs!
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Eldwinn
Royal Hiigaran Navy
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:57:00 -
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Yarrrrrr.
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Cataclysmic Rogue
Federation of Builders Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:31:00 -
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I've seen them pirating around Kor-Azor but why let your members pirate when your main system is under seige?
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense.
Should we be regarding them as general pirates?
Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates.
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates.
By who's definition? Yours? Certainly not mine. Piracy is robbery. Most 0.0 kills are not done to rob the individual victims. And yes, you could say it's to rob people of space or their lives or so on... but I'm sure you know what I mean.
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Deidranna
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:39:00 -
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Wow, impressive.
ASCN still stabbing around to gank miners, mission runners and npc'er
impressive
GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 02/12/2006 18:46:47
Originally by: Stamm
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates.
By who's definition? Yours? Certainly not mine. Piracy is robbery. Most 0.0 kills are not done to rob the individual victims. And yes, you could say it's to rob people of space or their lives or so on... but I'm sure you know what I mean.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/piracy
"practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence at sea. "
Am I a pirate in Eve? Oh yea! 
Are you? Yep. De'nile...
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Eldwinn
Royal Hiigaran Navy
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.02 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Deidranna
Wow, impressive.
ASCN still stabbing around to gank miners, mission runners and npc'er
impressive
I really enjoyed reading this one. The use of redundant words and sweeping generalizations is always a great foundation for any argument.
Please, if you would, tell me more.
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Deidranna
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Posted - 2006.12.02 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Eldwinn
Originally by: Deidranna
Wow, impressive.
ASCN still stabbing around to gank miners, mission runners and npc'er
impressive
I really enjoyed reading this one. The use of redundant words and sweeping generalizations is always a great foundation for any argument.
Please, if you would, tell me more.
memories from the past 
GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
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Ma'lice
Minmatar
The Kennels
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
... shoot first and ask later.
Couldn't have been said better.
@ OP, when undocked from a station, regardless of system sec status, treat all pilots as such; HOSTILE!
Originally by: Portios Smith
1 v 1 are like sex, be selective or catch a bug 
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Krychton
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense.
Should we be regarding them as general pirates?
A good rule of thumb, don't trust anyone. If you don't know someone who enters the system, consider them a threat. If they didn't pirate you, someone else would have.
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Ma'lice
Minmatar
The Kennels
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Krychton
If they didn't pirate you, someone else would have.
And that there is the Truth.
Originally by: Portios Smith
1 v 1 are like sex, be selective or catch a bug
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Feterous Jolin
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cataclysmic Rogue
I've seen them pirating around Kor-Azor but why let your members pirate when your main system is under seige?
One of the major reason's ASCN will die is that the leadership maintains no real control on the body politic. The members are "told" to fight, and seige, and camp...but there is no inforcement. Many good members, combat pilots and industrialists have spent hours, weeks and days fighting for thier space, while many, and I mean a very large group, of alliance pilots simply go about thier daily lives as if they are not being ripped from each and every system they own.
I've seen ASCN members running missions, hanging out in empire locals chatting and I would in no way doubt picking on easy prey as the real enemies are breaching the walls of thier empire.
Until ASCN gets thier members in gear with the idea of saving the alliance, they will undoubtadly continue to lose ground.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense.
Should we be regarding them as general pirates?
Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates.
Many entities operate on NBSI in zerosec and NRDS in lowsec. Would you consider that a pirate entity or, for that matter, a NBSI entity?
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ShmooDude
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: ShmooDude on 03/12/2006 00:47:10
Edited by: ShmooDude on 03/12/2006 00:46:31
Heres an idea send an eve-mail to thier CEO.
DAMN IT wrong charater
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Spoon Thumb
Crystaline Green
Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.12.03 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Krychton
A good rule of thumb, don't trust anyone. If you don't know someone who enters the system, consider them a threat...
That goes without saying, but..
Originally by: Xendie
... shoot first and ask later.
... isn't necessarily a good idea when the alliance in question is significantly bigger than you (this is why we steer well clear of BoB)
I suppose my original question was more like "Are ASCN the good guys or bad guys?" And the answer i've been getting is Neither.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense.
Should we be regarding them as general pirates?
Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates.
Many entities operate on NBSI in zerosec and NRDS in lowsec. Would you consider that a pirate entity or, for that matter, a NBSI entity?
A brick is a brick. A pirate is a pirate. Lay back, accept and say "yarr", now!
//Maya |
Assur
Minmatar
Stronghold corp
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Assur on 03/12/2006 02:59:51
ASCN are not pirates... S******dly are pirates.
NBSI does not equal piracy despite what those evil carebears want you to think.
NBSI doesn't have ransoms
edit: Snig is now a bad word 
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:07:00 -
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"NBSI does not equal piracy despite what those evil carebears want you to think."
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Okay, I think you need to recalibrate your accuracy'o'meter.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: James Snowscoran on 03/12/2006 03:10:01
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: James Snowscoran
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense.
Should we be regarding them as general pirates?
Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates.
Many entities operate on NBSI in zerosec and NRDS in lowsec. Would you consider that a pirate entity or, for that matter, a NBSI entity?
A brick is a brick. A pirate is a pirate. Lay back, accept and say "yarr", now!
You didn't answer my question. And I refuse to be labeled as a pirate.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:16:00 -
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I did, and do you ever shoot non-noob/NPC corp neutrals?
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Chienka
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:50:00 -
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Hmm. I get the feeling the OP dosnt know the difference between a pirate and a PvPer.
Maybe all the carebears think that non-consentual PvP in low-sec is automatically piracy, regardless of whether or not you get ransomed...
Besides, RHNVY used to own old man star. That place was a gank fest last time I was there.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.12.03 11:35:00 -
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Priceless the are loosing ground to BOB ,and what do they do they start pirating in empire .
lol.
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Rina Shanu
Computer-Aided General Exploitation
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Posted - 2006.12.03 11:41:00 -
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There are a number of ASCN in Aridia region. Seen them fighting BOB arround there but never seen them pirating. I eve think one of the ASCN in the area once said that low sec attacking neutrals was bad or something.
On the other hand, they are like 3k or something, so ....
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Mortuus
Minmatar
Just-fun
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 19:20:00 -
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You learned a valuable lesson; not everything is black and white.
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