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Spoon Thumb Crystaline Green Order of the Khanid Crown	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:49:00 - [1] Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense. Should we be regarding them as general pirates? *** Spoon Thumb - I can scoop ice cream with my thumbs! http://myeve.
breadcat	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:53:00 - [2] Yes, ASCN are ebil pirats.
Sku1ly STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.02 15:11:00 - [3] Depends where you are. STK-S
Feterous Jolin Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.02 15:13:00 - [4] Some ASCN pilots do tend to pirate, though to clarify this you should really explain in what region you were in and what you were doing. ASCN is undergoing a massive invasion, you would be hard pressed not to find an ASCN pilot on edge. Perhaps some are more jumpy then others and fired on your ship? I would not go and classify a three thousand plus member alliance as pirates from a single incident that was not even clearly defined.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.02 15:15:00 - [5] when in doubt shoot first and ask later. standard operating procedure in 0.0 Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Spoon Thumb Crystaline Green Order of the Khanid Crown	Posted - 2006.12.02 15:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Feterous Jolin to clarify this you should really explain in what region you were in and what you were doing. Khanid low sec, missions *** Spoon Thumb - I can scoop ice cream with my thumbs!
Eldwinn Royal Hiigaran Navy Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.02 16:57:00 - [7] Yarrrrrr.
Cataclysmic Rogue Federation of Builders Inc	Posted - 2006.12.02 17:31:00 - [8] I've seen them pirating around Kor-Azor but why let your members pirate when your main system is under seige?
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.02 18:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Spoon Thumb Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense. Should we be regarding them as general pirates? Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates. //Maya
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.02 18:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Maya Rkell Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates. By who's definition? Yours? Certainly not mine. Piracy is robbery. Most 0.0 kills are not done to rob the individual victims. And yes, you could say it's to rob people of space or their lives or so on... but I'm sure you know what I mean.
Deidranna	Posted - 2006.12.02 18:39:00 - [11] Wow, impressive. ASCN still stabbing around to gank miners, mission runners and npc'er impressive GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.02 18:46:00 - [12] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 02/12/2006 18:46:47 Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Maya Rkell Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates. By who's definition? Yours? Certainly not mine. Piracy is robbery. Most 0.0 kills are not done to rob the individual victims. And yes, you could say it's to rob people of space or their lives or so on... but I'm sure you know what I mean. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/piracy "practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence at sea. " Am I a pirate in Eve? Oh yea! Are you? Yep. De'nile... //Maya
Eldwinn Royal Hiigaran Navy Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.02 19:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Deidranna Wow, impressive. ASCN still stabbing around to gank miners, mission runners and npc'er impressive I really enjoyed reading this one. The use of redundant words and sweeping generalizations is always a great foundation for any argument. Please, if you would, tell me more.
Deidranna	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Eldwinn Originally by: Deidranna Wow, impressive. ASCN still stabbing around to gank miners, mission runners and npc'er impressive I really enjoyed reading this one. The use of redundant words and sweeping generalizations is always a great foundation for any argument. Please, if you would, tell me more. memories from the past GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
Ma'lice Minmatar The Kennels	Posted - 2006.12.02 21:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Xendie ... shoot first and ask later. Couldn't have been said better. @ OP, when undocked from a station, regardless of system sec status, treat all pilots as such; HOSTILE! Originally by: Portios Smith 1 v 1 are like sex, be selective or catch a bug
Krychton Amarr Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.02 21:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Spoon Thumb Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense. Should we be regarding them as general pirates? A good rule of thumb, don't trust anyone. If you don't know someone who enters the system, consider them a threat. If they didn't pirate you, someone else would have. ----
Ma'lice Minmatar The Kennels	Posted - 2006.12.02 21:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Krychton If they didn't pirate you, someone else would have. And that there is the Truth. Originally by: Portios Smith 1 v 1 are like sex, be selective or catch a bug
Feterous Jolin Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.02 21:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Cataclysmic Rogue I've seen them pirating around Kor-Azor but why let your members pirate when your main system is under seige? One of the major reason's ASCN will die is that the leadership maintains no real control on the body politic. The members are "told" to fight, and seige, and camp...but there is no inforcement. Many good members, combat pilots and industrialists have spent hours, weeks and days fighting for thier space, while many, and I mean a very large group, of alliance pilots simply go about thier daily lives as if they are not being ripped from each and every system they own. I've seen ASCN members running missions, hanging out in empire locals chatting and I would in no way doubt picking on easy prey as the real enemies are breaching the walls of thier empire. Until ASCN gets thier members in gear with the idea of saving the alliance, they will undoubtadly continue to lose ground.
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.02 23:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Spoon Thumb Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense. Should we be regarding them as general pirates? Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates. Many entities operate on NBSI in zerosec and NRDS in lowsec. Would you consider that a pirate entity or, for that matter, a NBSI entity? -----
ShmooDude	Posted - 2006.12.03 00:46:00 - [20] Edited by: ShmooDude on 03/12/2006 00:47:10 Edited by: ShmooDude on 03/12/2006 00:46:31 Heres an idea send an eve-mail to thier CEO. DAMN IT wrong charater
Spoon Thumb Crystaline Green Order of the Khanid Crown	Posted - 2006.12.03 02:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Krychton A good rule of thumb, don't trust anyone. If you don't know someone who enters the system, consider them a threat... That goes without saying, but.. Originally by: Xendie ... shoot first and ask later. ... isn't necessarily a good idea when the alliance in question is significantly bigger than you (this is why we steer well clear of BoB) I suppose my original question was more like "Are ASCN the good guys or bad guys?" And the answer i've been getting is Neither.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 02:52:00 - [22] Originally by: James Snowscoran Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Spoon Thumb Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense. Should we be regarding them as general pirates? Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates. Many entities operate on NBSI in zerosec and NRDS in lowsec. Would you consider that a pirate entity or, for that matter, a NBSI entity? A brick is a brick. A pirate is a pirate. Lay back, accept and say "yarr", now! //Maya
Assur Minmatar Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 02:59:00 - [23] Edited by: Assur on 03/12/2006 02:59:51 ASCN are not pirates... S******dly are pirates. NBSI does not equal piracy despite what those evil carebears want you to think. NBSI doesn't have ransoms edit: Snig is now a bad word
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 03:07:00 - [24] "NBSI does not equal piracy despite what those evil carebears want you to think." ... Okay, I think you need to recalibrate your accuracy'o'meter. //Maya
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.03 03:09:00 - [25] Edited by: James Snowscoran on 03/12/2006 03:10:01 Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: James Snowscoran Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Spoon Thumb Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense. Should we be regarding them as general pirates? Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates. Many entities operate on NBSI in zerosec and NRDS in lowsec. Would you consider that a pirate entity or, for that matter, a NBSI entity? A brick is a brick. A pirate is a pirate. Lay back, accept and say "yarr", now! You didn't answer my question. And I refuse to be labeled as a pirate. -----
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 03:16:00 - [26] I did, and do you ever shoot non-noob/NPC corp neutrals? //Maya
Chienka Privateers	Posted - 2006.12.03 03:50:00 - [27] Hmm. I get the feeling the OP dosnt know the difference between a pirate and a PvPer. Maybe all the carebears think that non-consentual PvP in low-sec is automatically piracy, regardless of whether or not you get ransomed... Besides, RHNVY used to own old man star. That place was a gank fest last time I was there.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.12.03 11:35:00 - [28] Priceless the are loosing ground to BOB ,and what do they do they start pirating in empire . lol.
Rina Shanu Computer-Aided General Exploitation	Posted - 2006.12.03 11:41:00 - [29] There are a number of ASCN in Aridia region. Seen them fighting BOB arround there but never seen them pirating. I eve think one of the ASCN in the area once said that low sec attacking neutrals was bad or something. On the other hand, they are like 3k or something, so .... JOIN CAGE
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 19:20:00 - [30] You learned a valuable lesson; not everything is black and white. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:10:00 - [31] NBSI is piracy outside of 0.0 unless there is a war-dec or unless u r fired on first. Of course this means that most alliances in the game do in fact pirate at some point - we just dont want to admit it (xelas ofc frowns on such things). Even shooting enemies in lo sec without a war-dec is piracy. Unless of course you refuse to pick up any loot in which case it should probably be classed as something else. Regardless of the semantics many alliances which think they are "anti-pirate" and dont operate nbsi will have members who do infact nbsi (i.e pirate). I think by anyones definition ganking a neutral doing missions in lo sec empire is piracy tho.
CptDelta Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:10:00 - [32] Edited by: CptDelta on 04/12/2006 11:10:03 Is a soldier a murderer?
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:05:00 - [33] I guess you could say it's piracy unless you're flying in a region an alliance has overall sovereignty in. It makes sense, the alliance with sovereignty rule that area and as such this more or less makes their fleets the local law enforcement and you a tresspasser. However being where you were, it's piracy. S**t if I see someone who isn't friendly and CONCORD aren't around. I shoot them. Does that make me an ebil pirate? I hope so . Let's all say it now, YARRRRRRRRRRR
ThisIsAScam	Posted - 2006.12.06 20:38:00 - [34] yes
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.09 13:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Cataclysmic Rogue I've seen them pirating around Kor-Azor but why let your members pirate when your main system is under seige? Don't you know that is how they get their modules?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:38:00 - [36] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Spoon Thumb Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense. Should we be regarding them as general pirates? Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates. Naah, in 0.0 it's not piracy, it's politics.
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:43:00 - [37] all pvp is piracy these days cos no one wants pvp they just want easy gangk's ..live with it :P knowledge is power.... guard it well
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.12.10 20:05:00 - [38] Originally by: CptDelta Edited by: CptDelta on 04/12/2006 11:10:03 Is a soldier a murderer? And proud of it.
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:48:00 - [39] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Spoon Thumb Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense. Should we be regarding them as general pirates? Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates. Naah, in 0.0 it's not piracy, it's politics. Khanid low sec is not exactly 0.0 now is it? ISS should know, they pirate there too...
LOPEZ Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.12 02:19:00 - [40] blah blah blah. i died everyone is ebil wa wa wa. Seriously. If u set foot in low sec or 0.0 you do it at ur own risk. Most ppl wont hessitate to blow u up if ur nutral and are in 0.0 . There is a reason why concord isnt there to save ur sorry but! RAWR!
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.12.12 09:29:00 - [41] ^^ What he said.. Can't go anywhere these days to shoot someone without being called a pirate! happy 0.0 miner eats away at his rock ->Local jumps up 30 instantly, and there's 5 belts in system<- miner is still eating his rock.. probably afk ->5 interceptors come in and warp scramble the miner<- miner returns to see his pod, now being orbited by 30 pilots who are laughing at him in local Miner > OMG YOU PIRATES -true story, LS- was/is a popular place for that My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:07:00 - [42] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Spoon Thumb Last night, one of my pilots minding her own business was attacked for no good reason by ASCN. We're neutral, not involved in any wars, in fact we've never had any dealings with ASCN before, so they're new to us in that sense. Should we be regarding them as general pirates? Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates. Err... no if you fly into claimed space and are shot on site that is not pirating... "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!" http://images.filecloud.com/283570/hal201.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Xelphior Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:31:00 - [43] Edited by: Xelphior on 13/12/2006 02:32:36 They were shot in Khanid Region, which makes you think, ASCN are starting to cower from Band Of Brothers and Co. they now are hunting in low sec to try to make their kill boards look more intimidating with NPC'er kills and Miners. Real Tough. mind you with the Evacuation From Feth' the ASCN Home region in Stampede alert, i suppose they are starting to get aquainted with empire space life again. who knows? ASCN may just turn pirate in empire space when Feyth falls. Coin Does and Doesn't Pirate, for example i dont hunt miners, and tend to avoid peeps ratting, but anyone who comes into friendly space without a blue mark on them, i shoot. thats not piracy thats Security patrols and keeping unwanted visitors out
M4sterm1nd DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:13:00 - [44] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Spoon Thumb Should we be regarding them as general pirates? Any NBSI entity are by definition pirates. ROFL. In the words of the great Chandler : "How do you not fall down more?" (My sig left after Eldo called her fat) I didn't call her fat, she's just horizontally challenged -Eldo Oh MUCH better! Now you made her CRY!
Creeture Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:58:00 - [45] Spoon, I can only say that ASCN does not condone piracy, if you believe you were attacked without reason, you should contact the CEO of the corp that attacked you. As I slide down the bannister of life, I will always remember BoB as a splinter in my arse, I only hope that BoB's slide down the bannister will remember ASCN as the big knobbly bit at the end!!
Mrski Okupator Amarr Cry Me A River Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:32:00 - [46] You were shot by a neutral in lowsec? That could be called piracy. And it could be called pvp. Lowsec gate camping and mission runner ganking; now tht's piracy! And yet, some call it a living Cry Me A River Inc. We Care. For a small donation.
Tigolbiddies	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:38:00 - [47] Originally by: James Snowscoran Edited by: James Snowscoran on 03/12/2006 03:10:01 Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: James Snowscoran Many entities operate on NBSI in zerosec and NRDS in lowsec. Would you consider that a pirate entity or, for that matter, a NBSI entity? A brick is a brick. A pirate is a pirate. Lay back, accept and say "yarr", now! You didn't answer my question. And I refuse to be labeled as a pirate. hahahaHAHAHahhh...you REFUSE to be labeled a pirate? Coreli Corp spent how many weeks in low-sec sitting at gate camps shooting random people? You may not be a pirate, but you certainly are delusional.
pshepherd Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.24 10:53:00 - [48] Meh, wasen't there anything interesting to bump?
Devoras2 Amarr KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.24 12:17:00 - [49] Meh! Let the dead rest ffs! Necro ftl Dev It's great being Amarr, aint it?

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