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Daemun Khanid Sanctus Imperialis 130	Posted - 2015.07.23 22:41:45 - [31] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Daemun Khanid wrote: Making drifter incursions just feels to me like they took a cool developing story line and said "meh, we're done. Here are some new npc's to shoot at. " it's basicaly saying the story line is essentially dead in the water, all thats left is pew pew the bad guys. Just sansha's in less horny ships. If this is all thats to become of the drifter storyline then I'm very dissapointed. Almost as anti-climatic as sarum's titan visit the other day. This assumes they don't keep stats on the drifter sites, how many are won vs lost, and then develop the story further because of it. There needs to be some fleet PvE in all areas of space, but providing they leave normal incursions running, nothing says Drifter 'incursions' have to be a full time thing but it provides a mechanic for them to provide content over a reasonable period for a storyline without constant Dev spawning. If they continue to actually develop the story in a way that influences the game/universe then it's all fine and good. It just feel's like a nail in the coffin. If nothing else effecting the EvE universe happens with the drifters then it will just be a very elaborate way to have introduced Entosis links and a new NPC faction to pew pew....Zzzzzz. Daemun of Khanid
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2300	Posted - 2015.07.23 22:48:45 - [32] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: If they continue to actually develop the story in a way that influences the game/universe then it's all fine and good. It just feel's like a nail in the coffin. If nothing else effecting the EvE universe happens with the drifters then it will just be a very elaborate way to have introduced Entosis links and a new NPC faction to pew pew....Zzzzzz. Remember Sansha incursions storyline stalled because no-one was left who knew what was meant to be happening with the story.....
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11887	Posted - 2015.07.23 22:56:44 - [33] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Wow, Incursions Again! Right after Sovereignty Again and as EVE re-development progresses towards Apochrypha Again! And despite your angst you will pay your sub(s) to a company you seem to have a lot of disdain for again despite the facts that CCP never seems to give you anything you want and paying them assures that they never need to. Complete sane behavior, don't ever let anyone tell you different, especially me while I'm rolling in the isk from these new incursions....
NFain Elysian Ascent Empyreus 132	Posted - 2015.07.24 04:27:12 - [34] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Wow, Incursions Again! Right after Sovereignty Again and as EVE re-development progresses towards Apochrypha Again! And despite your angst you will pay your sub(s) to a company you seem to have a lot of disdain for again despite the facts that CCP never seems to give you anything you want and paying them assures that they never need to. Complete sane behavior, don't ever let anyone tell you different, especially me while I'm rolling in the isk from these new incursions.... And to be honest Apocrypha was probably the best expansion post revelations....
DaReaper Net 7 2399	Posted - 2015.07.24 04:31:46 - [35] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Daemun Khanid wrote: If they continue to actually develop the story in a way that influences the game/universe then it's all fine and good. It just feel's like a nail in the coffin. If nothing else effecting the EvE universe happens with the drifters then it will just be a very elaborate way to have introduced Entosis links and a new NPC faction to pew pew....Zzzzzz. Remember Sansha incursions storyline stalled because no-one was left who knew what was meant to be happening with the story..... if thats the case, and it might be if that whole team lest, they are now better documenting the story and have it woven into the tapestry of all releases. which is kinda what the EP i suppose to do, set the passe and the overall goals. In theory, if say the entire team working the story leaves, then new team should have notes and a way to look up what was next. But this is ccp we are talking about, so.. i still hope OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Rawketsled Generic Corp Name 243	Posted - 2015.07.24 05:58:37 - [36] - Quote Just needs the Seeker AI turned up to 11. Get them to fight more like players. There's ML techniques that you could train off the server logs.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 3855	Posted - 2015.07.24 06:52:36 - [37] - Quote NFain wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Wow, Incursions Again! Right after Sovereignty Again and as EVE re-development progresses towards Apochrypha Again! And despite your angst you will pay your sub(s) to a company you seem to have a lot of disdain for again despite the facts that CCP never seems to give you anything you want and paying them assures that they never need to. Complete sane behavior, don't ever let anyone tell you different, especially me while I'm rolling in the isk from these new incursions.... And to be honest Apocrypha was probably the best expansion post revelations.... My issue is not with "Apochyrpha" but with "Again". Even if, or when, the new space with new structures and new gates is implemented succesfully, it still will be a repeat of past glories. The only people who will appreciate it are those who play the game, which is a consequence of implementing customer oriented design... but the collateral damage is that those who don't play the game don't feel interested with the goals designed for those playing the game. Unless you aim for non-customers, customer oriented design shuts the door to new blood. Nothing currently in the works answers the key question: "Why should you start playing EVE now?" "Because they're repeating stuff that worked years ago" is not the right answer. Not when the game is old, its population is dwindling and it fails to retain 80% of all new players. 73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 953	Posted - 2015.07.24 08:56:27 - [38] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: If they continue to actually develop the story in a way that influences the game/universe then it's all fine and good. I'll slip some negativity here and say that it will also be a minor case of "rip sandbox" when player-generated content is being replaced with GMs (or devs in this particular case) screwing around with people by drifter proxies. I mean, one thing is when someone does PvE and gets suicide ganked for his trouble. Another thing when basically the same happens to him by NPC hand... Doesn't that feel a bit shallow? Is EVE there yet that it must have bots trying to actively do stuff in order to provide content? I don't know. Sansha incursions still feel more like tools for players, of resource deposit variety, drifters actively interfering with everything is something else... Rawketsled wrote: Just needs the Seeker AI turned up to 11. Get them to fight more like players. There's ML techniques that you could train off the server logs. They need to act without being tied to grid and simple spawning/despawning mechanisms in order for that to work. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Silverdaddy Ourapheh Holdings 65	Posted - 2015.07.24 18:04:37 - [39] - Quote I got my hopes up... the first screen shot seemed to imply that you could chose sides, but the descriptions of the "Amarr" encounters show otherwise. Grrrrrrr. The problem with slavery is that only half of the manacles are visible. The Holder, supposed master, is equally bound by the gilded chains of privilege and wealth.
DrysonBennington Aliastra Gallente Federation 227	Posted - 2015.07.25 05:48:37 - [40] - Quote If PVE with Drifters actually involved them attacking POS and other Player Owned Structures it would be more interesting.

Xylem Viliana Protomonolithic 314	Posted - 2015.07.31 21:33:15 - [41] - Quote it happened, sort of Safizon currently under assault by possibly 100+ drifters
Pryce Caesar Evil Young Flesh 3	Posted - 2015.08.01 23:14:00 - [42] - Quote Xylem Viliana wrote: it happened, sort of Safizon currently under assault by possibly 100+ drifters So I read in the news. It like this event is the prelude for a future update revolving around the Drifters. For my part, I hope that it could be a prelude for Drifter ships to be made available to Capsuleers. It'd be interesting to see a new class of ship.
Xylem Viliana Protomonolithic 314	Posted - 2015.08.02 07:42:30 - [43] - Quote Pryce Caesar wrote: Xylem Viliana wrote: it happened, sort of Safizon currently under assault by possibly 100+ drifters So I read in the news. It like this event is the prelude for a future update revolving around the Drifters. For my part, I hope that it could be a prelude for Drifter ships to be made available to Capsuleers. It'd be interesting to see a new class of ship. Won't happen. But ccp did not deny that the current lore may provide us with a new ship that the Amarr are working on. Drifter ships are nice but would kill any format of balance as things stand.
Aeon Plex Entropy of Annihilation Circle-Of-Two 28	Posted - 2015.08.11 19:32:51 - [44] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Burn Amarr - drifter version. I hope that drifters will camp gates , and kill people on them. Awesome. And camp WH entrances and exits... Let's get this f*kin party started and make the world really come alive to join the capsuleers in creating the dynamic of New Eden...
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1732	Posted - 2015.08.11 23:58:18 - [45] - Quote Just thought I'd pop in and mention that there was a mass test on Singularity today to test drive Drifter incursions. By all accounts, players got their asses handed to them by the new AI. Afterwards, Paradox confirmed that the Drifter incursions will spread to adjacent systems over time. I do believe that in addition to incursion sites, Drifters will attack you on stations, gates, wormholes....pretty much anywhere you can sit in space. Don't have many other details. I did ask if anyone tried to help the Drifters and was told everyone died too quickly to find out. Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Victory Myel Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 0	Posted - 2015.08.12 02:13:58 - [46] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: If it is true, yay more incursions!
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 39492	Posted - 2015.08.12 02:18:24 - [47] - Quote Victory Myel wrote: Asuka Solo wrote: If it is true, yay more incursions! Well, the Galatea feedback thread in the Test Server forum seems to be fairly clear. Coming in the next release: Team Space Glitter Updates to behavior NPCs (Drifters and Amarr Navy) for NPC vs NPC combat Defense of the Throne Worlds incursion Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Glathull Warlock Assassins 1084	Posted - 2015.08.12 03:23:25 - [48] - Quote Please let this be the beginning of caps in high sec. please please please please please. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Oxide Ammar 211	Posted - 2015.08.12 04:27:41 - [49] - Quote There are no blingy enough BS in fleet with logi that could be able to tank 700K omni dmg that drifters do in this incursion, is this new drifter incursion for capital ships ? dreads and carriers Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 1018	Posted - 2015.08.12 05:16:52 - [50] - Quote Oxide Ammar wrote: There are no blingy enough BS in fleet with logi that could be able to tank 700K omni dmg that drifters do in this incursion, is this new drifter incursion for capital ships ? dreads and carriers Or people will actually have to gasp expend ships. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become

Oxide Ammar 211	Posted - 2015.08.12 05:31:36 - [51] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Oxide Ammar wrote: There are no blingy enough BS in fleet with logi that could be able to tank 700K omni dmg that drifters do in this incursion, is this new drifter incursion for capital ships ? dreads and carriers Or people will actually have to gasp expend ships. What is the incentive for me to lose every time I sit doing incursion a 2-3 bill worth BS just because " Dude you just got DD'd by drifter and we can't do anything about it !".....31 mill like in HQ ? I think I'll pass on this. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 1018	Posted - 2015.08.12 05:41:16 - [52] - Quote Oxide Ammar wrote: What is the incentive for me to lose every time I sit doing incursion a 2-3 bill worth BS just because " Dude you just got DD'd by drifter and we can't do anything about it !".....31 mill like in HQ ? I think I'll pass on this. Nobody said you must fly 2-3 bil BS. Not like you will suddenly get Drifter site when warping into what looks like Sansha site. Like I've mentioned already, caps are off limits in sites right now, so there's that. As for incentives, well... Payout/h - Expenditure/h = ISK/hour, the latter can still be considerable. Don't forget your insurance, and loot your wrecks (if drifters don't pop them, that's it). Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 4558	Posted - 2015.08.12 07:35:53 - [53] - Quote So how do Drifter Incursions work then? Teams wait for the token player to show up who will unwittingly take the DD? "Looks like we're going to need another Timmy..." I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon That Escalated Quickly. 1622	Posted - 2015.08.12 07:38:39 - [54] - Quote There are going to be large fleets with very fast small ships TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Oxide Ammar 211	Posted - 2015.08.12 07:42:23 - [55] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Oxide Ammar wrote: What is the incentive for me to lose every time I sit doing incursion a 2-3 bill worth BS just because " Dude you just got DD'd by drifter and we can't do anything about it !".....31 mill like in HQ ? I think I'll pass on this. Nobody said you must fly 2-3 bil BS. Not like you will suddenly get Drifter site when warping into what looks like Sansha site. Like I've mentioned already, caps are off limits in sites right now, so there's that. As for incentives, well... Payout/h - Expenditure/h = ISK/hour, the latter can still be considerable. Don't forget your insurance, and loot your wrecks (if drifters don't pop them, that's it). Have you ever seen incursion fleet done in T1 cheap BS with T2 fitting ? It takes ages to finish the site. Also your math is flawed because if CCP followed this they need to make site payout huge. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
Anthar Thebess 1265	Posted - 2015.08.12 09:00:28 - [56] - Quote This is getting interesting. Drifter incursions in higsec/lowsec/nullsec but Sansha incursions only in lowsec and nullsec. Finally CCP! Good move. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1791	Posted - 2015.08.12 11:37:50 - [57] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: There are going to be large fleets with very fast small ships More likely fleets of fully insured T1 battleships. Basically "pay 30m-50m to play incursions" :) The like the idea of them spreading, that is fairly amusing.
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 1020	Posted - 2015.08.12 12:00:14 - [58] - Quote Oxide Ammar wrote: Have you ever seen incursion fleet done in T1 cheap BS with T2 fitting ? It takes ages to finish the site. Also your math is flawed because if CCP followed this they need to make site payout huge. I've seen worse. I've started there. Payout was still better than what people with that kind of skills and ships could get anywhere in hisec still, and arguably better than null ratting in half-decent ships was at the time. And I'm talking accepting BCs and shield fitting amarr ships and no T2 guns whatsoever because :newbfleet: level of badness. It's a matter of comparison with what you think ISK/hour should be. And we don't know CCP plans for existing content... Speaking of payout - it's currently meh apparently. Again, we don't know what it will become eventually. New items for unique LP? More ISK? Something else? Maybe payout will be in the form of keeping your hisec space where you can farm Sansha/L4s Drifter-gank-free, I don't know. I mean, they did say that incursions will spread (from my understanding - unless stopped) and that drifters will gank people anywhere in space for sh* and giggles, right? Oxide Ammar wrote: Edit: I'm not demanding a capital incursion, but by the look from the numbers and DD dmg (~700k omni dmg as they say) I thought the only ships they can tank that was capital ships since they have enough buffer, but since we aren't obligated to fly blingy pirate BS I'm just gonna park bowhead with 3 fitted Hyperions just in case. -.- Something tells me that it will be a way to go unless something will be discovered about DDs or people will just decide it's not worth the trouble. Anthar Thebess wrote:** This is getting interesting. Drifter incursions in higsec/lowsec/nullsec but Sansha incursions only in lowsec and nullsec. Finally CCP! Good move. "Yay CCP doing something in my imagination!" And before we proceed with moving Sansha to low/null entirely, can we please axe NPC kill stats and incursion influence levels from across the galaxy to know where exactly we must head in order to gank juicy battleship fleet? Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1792	Posted - 2015.08.12 12:18:12 - [59] - Quote Does anyone really think anyone will run incursions in low/null sec? Really? Sack that crap, for that effort wormholes are what you do.
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 4561	Posted - 2015.08.12 14:54:51 - [60] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: but Sansha incursions only in lowsec and nullsec. When did this change happen? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.



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