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569th Freelancers
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Posted - 2015.08.14 08:33:42 -
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SPOILER ALERT;
This is all part of CCP's plans for structures. We know that they do not like massed outposts in null sec and so they plan do remove them and replace them with citadels. However so as not to show favouritism to the established null sec power power blocks they are going to use the drifters to remove them all :)
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:26:49 -
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Black Pedro wrote:It is not. You can mess with them from the inside, or gank them when they move between incursions, but an active incursion with 4B tanked ships covered by attentive logi are invincible, at least to anyone without a hundred players and tens of billions of ISK to throw at the problem (which could still fail anyway due to server limitations). I don't have that.
Anything else are just stories you incursion runners tell yourselves around the campfire to scare each other. Like the boogeyman, they don't exist. You are 100% safe from gankers and the lack of ganks on the killboards proves that statistic.
I can't believe you're so clueless that you actually think the best time to try to gank incursion runners is when their ships are using anti-gank fits and their bling isn't even guaranteed to be on board. No wonder you've had no success.
I've had several gank attempts on my main fleet and my booster. Unlike most incursion runners my booster has a fat tank (280k ehp) so it took 10 catas fairly easily. That gank fleet went on to take out a few boosters and some incursion runners (battleships). Those ganks caused people to mostly stop running incursions in that focus. I continued to run as I have logi that have 10x the EHP and 2x the repping power of logi normally used by public fleets. I did make damned sure to pay extra attention to local and dscan.
I have run from gank fleets before and I've gotten away simply because of either luck or because I pay attention to local and dscan (I'm always creating safe spots too).
At this point I'm torn in that while I would love to give you information on avenues of attack I also don't want to help someone attack me :P |
Alex Rax
The Stormcrows Stella Nova
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Posted - 2015.08.15 14:55:57 -
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It's a shame i have -9.99 Amarr rep otherwise I'd participate. |
Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
403
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Posted - 2015.08.15 16:07:36 -
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Alex Rax wrote:It's a shame i have -9.99 Amarr rep otherwise I'd participate.
Having to sacrifice one ship for every drifter you kill?
Think I'll pass on that one.
Nice to see Amarr getting smacked around by those mechanics though. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2389
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Posted - 2015.08.15 22:36:37 -
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Alex Rax wrote:It's a shame i have -9.99 Amarr rep otherwise I'd participate. Then fix it, It won't take long between diplomacy and SoE epic arcs done in fleet while you sit in a pod. If you are serious don't make excuses, do something. |
Lisbethae Kashuken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.25 18:17:57 -
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Not sure if you really failed to read the info or it was fake, thus swiftly discarded, but someone wrote that it was confirmed the Drifters incursions would spread to nearby systems ( if they aren't completed i suppose ). If this is true, it doesn't matter if you LIKEit or not, you'll just have to do those sites, unless you want every highsec system camped by Drifters. Once again, not sure if the information is correct, but if it is, then players will HAVE TO run those sites or suffer the consequences !
I'm talking about this quote:
Quote: Afterwards, Paradox confirmed that the Drifter incursions will spread to adjacent systems over time. I do believe that in addition to incursion sites, Drifters will attack you on stations, gates, wormholes....pretty much anywhere you can sit in space. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2015.08.25 18:48:45 -
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No one plays EvE for the isk.
IMO CCP is doing a great job here. Fozzy SOV, more Lore, Citadels, drifters. Adding storytelling and changes in the game mechanics go hand in hand. Making it easier to accept the changes and adapt the chaning situation.
I like what came until now and i am curios whats next.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7053
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Posted - 2015.08.25 19:26:14 -
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So... a new type of incursion with ships that can Death Ray a bling boat.
And what's this? If nobody does the PVe it might affect the regions of the high-exalted PVP? I gotta look that one up.
Methinks CCP has gone "Viking" on us.
BRING THE PAIN!!!!!
I'm up to three accounts now, and for 8 out of 9 of my years playing I only had ONE.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
10
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Posted - 2015.08.26 01:33:19 -
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Lisbethae Kashuken wrote:Not sure if you really failed to read the info or it was fake, thus swiftly discarded, but someone wrote that it was confirmed the Drifters incursions would spread to nearby systems ( if they aren't completed i suppose ). If this is true, it doesn't matter if you LIKEit or not, you'll just have to do those sites, unless you want every highsec system camped by Drifters. Once again, not sure if the information is correct, but if it is, then players will HAVE TO run those sites or suffer the consequences ! I'm talking about this quote: Quote: Afterwards, Paradox confirmed that the Drifter incursions will spread to adjacent systems over time. I do believe that in addition to incursion sites, Drifters will attack you on stations, gates, wormholes....pretty much anywhere you can sit in space.
That is going to be freakin' murder if new players end up in parts of space where the Drifter incursion has spread - or any player for that matter.
I still hope that, with the prominence of Drifter ships in the game, that the possibility will be opened up that players will be able to fly Drifter ships, but that the Drifter ships will require very high skill levels in certain areas. |
Leonis Perthshire
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2015.08.26 01:50:54 -
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If someone could try etnosis one drifter ship and then primary it might be would help. Becusse when the etnosis thing was discover drifter attack them and if they did that is because they consider it a risk for them.
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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.08.26 02:20:17 -
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Leonis Perthshire wrote:If someone could try etnosis one drifter ship and then primary it might be would help. Becusse when the etnosis thing was discover drifter attack them and if they did that is because they consider it a risk for them.
Yea because I'm sure nobody has tried that yet. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
935
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Posted - 2015.08.26 03:11:54 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lan Wang wrote: most of the incursion community are npc alts from null alliances
Citation required. you know its true you're just refusing to accept it
That does not mean they are from same null sec block/group and they all like to kiss their overlord ass for pat on a back in 99% of cases when inc groups roam in low sec/null for incursion or plain ol pvp spyes ratted out group for blob overload....
For something like this you need closed group of ppl that want fun not to kiss ass. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
2089
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Posted - 2015.08.26 09:50:42 -
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Well drifters incursions are supposed to grow if not tackled. So if no onerunsthem, they willt ake over all high sec and then no more sansha incursions until someone deal with the drifter incursion.
So.. think well.. want to keep your sansha incursion income? deal with the drifter incursion BEFORE it is too large to deal with. LEave that one alive for 6 months and then I will laugh so much as the sansha runners cry all day because there is no more space for sansha incursions to spawn.
"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
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Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
285
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:15:28 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Well drifters incursions are supposed to grow if not tackled. So if no onerunsthem, they willt ake over all high sec and then no more sansha incursions until someone deal with the drifter incursion.
So.. think well.. want to keep your sansha incursion income? deal with the drifter incursion BEFORE it is too large to deal with. LEave that one alive for 6 months and then I will laugh so much as the sansha runners cry all day because there is no more space for sansha incursions to spawn.
What if it grows into Null/Sov instead of Hisec? Will goons just charge them rent? |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
329
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:24:14 -
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Wonder if this will turn into a game of chicken between CCP and the players. See who blinks first. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:30:43 -
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Why not make drifter incursions take over/destroy sov structures then expanding to nearby systems when one is overrun?
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
264
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:40:54 -
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If the reward for ending a Drifter incursion grew with time, then there'd become a point where it's economical to headshot an incursion to take the payment.
And farming it would be a risky proposition because someone will be tempted to come and take it from you. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
2093
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:44:43 -
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Snagletooth Johnson wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Well drifters incursions are supposed to grow if not tackled. So if no onerunsthem, they willt ake over all high sec and then no more sansha incursions until someone deal with the drifter incursion.
So.. think well.. want to keep your sansha incursion income? deal with the drifter incursion BEFORE it is too large to deal with. LEave that one alive for 6 months and then I will laugh so much as the sansha runners cry all day because there is no more space for sansha incursions to spawn. What if it grows into Null/Sov instead of Hisec? Will goons just charge them rent?
It will not affect their income as much as it will affect sansha runners. Also high sec is much closer to khanid than goonland :)
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
2093
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:46:33 -
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Rawketsled wrote:If the reward for ending a Drifter incursion grew with time, then there'd become a point where it's economical to headshot an incursion to take the payment.
And farming it would be a risky proposition because someone will be tempted to come and take it from you.
Peopel still do nto get it? These incursions are not there to be profitable. They are there to be a MENACE that you CANNOT ignore. BEcause it will make your OTHER activities unprofitable.
Remember, a sansha incursion cannot spawn on a constellation where a system is in the drifter one, and the drifter icnursion is GROWING !!!!! Each day more systems...
In a few months there will be no space for new sansha incursions
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
935
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:49:57 -
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Aladar Dangerface
13. Enigma Project
223
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:14:45 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Rawketsled wrote:If the reward for ending a Drifter incursion grew with time, then there'd become a point where it's economical to headshot an incursion to take the payment.
And farming it would be a risky proposition because someone will be tempted to come and take it from you. Peopel still do nto get it? These incursions are not there to be profitable. They are there to be a MENACE that you CANNOT ignore. BEcause it will make your OTHER activities unprofitable. Remember, a sansha incursion cannot spawn on a constellation where a system is in the drifter one, and the drifter icnursion is GROWING !!!!! Each day more systems... In a few months there will be no space for new sansha incursions God I hope this happens, then they move to low and null, until someone fights back.
We already have to fight each other for space, it would be kinda cool if we had to fight npcs as well.
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
292
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Posted - 2015.08.27 02:15:33 -
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I tryed it on sisi with level 5 archon carrier, they will insta kill a carrier in triage:
01:12:56Combat299618 from Apollo Tyrannos - Hits 01:13:04Combat231027 from Apollo Tyrannos - Hits
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
449
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Posted - 2015.08.27 02:28:29 -
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Spc One wrote:I tryed it on sisi with level 5 archon carrier, they will insta kill a carrier in triage:
01:12:56Combat299618 from Apollo Tyrannos - Hits 01:13:04Combat231027 from Apollo Tyrannos - Hits
So far the most viable tactics kind of base around old pvp. fast and cheap ships, spider tanks. Insurance an forbid high end mods. Be ready to re-ship.
With the earnings you get, even with insurance, I might say steer clear of even using a bs unless in the largest sites. Will take planning, that is for sure. |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
611
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Posted - 2015.08.27 08:53:14 -
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Look to the prophecies - "the hunger of Nothing" will spread across the Universe. I wonder for how long they can be left unchecked :D
As someone said - let's see who blinks first :D
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1485
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Posted - 2015.08.27 08:56:45 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Spc One wrote:I tryed it on sisi with level 5 archon carrier, they will insta kill a carrier in triage:
01:12:56Combat299618 from Apollo Tyrannos - Hits 01:13:04Combat231027 from Apollo Tyrannos - Hits
So far the most viable tactics kind of base around old pvp. fast and cheap ships, spider tanks. Insurance an forbid high end mods. Be ready to re-ship. With the earnings you get, even with insurance, I might say steer clear of even using a bs unless in the largest sites. Will take planning, that is for sure. Yup. The new normal.
Didn't everyone say they want new and more challenging PvE? PvE that was more like PvP?
That's what the Drifters are. They are going to regularly explode ships. They are going to change behaviour and be more unpredictable. Even when players figure out a viable strategy, the Drifters are going to adapt.
The incursion farm sun is setting. No more cookie-cutter builds and on rails content. Time for everyone to get on board the new, risker incursion train! |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
332
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Posted - 2015.08.27 09:51:41 -
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Am I the only one that remembers the last time CCP tried to get HS people to 'work together' and how hilariously catastrophic that went? If there's not enough reward to motivate the HS population then nothing is going to happen. So long as there are more profitable things to do than drifter incursions the HS people are not going to blink. I have a feeling this is gonna backfire on CCP, again, just like the last time. |
Anthar Thebess
1281
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Posted - 2015.08.27 10:34:10 -
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I think that drifter incursions will end up in alpha ships , and hit & run tactics. We will see.
I hope that CCP will move sansha incursion to low/null only.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
332
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Posted - 2015.08.27 10:35:57 -
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Is there a range limit on the DD weapon on the drifter ships? Maybe CCP wants to promote some kind of 'kiting' doctrine because it's almost never used these days.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
326
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Posted - 2015.08.27 10:48:56 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Didn't everyone say they want new and more challenging PvE? PvE that was more like PvP? Hard to call that challanging, it's suicidal. They oneshoot everything. What is happening with NPC station there? Are they using E-link on them?
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1487
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Posted - 2015.08.27 10:59:19 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Black Pedro wrote:Didn't everyone say they want new and more challenging PvE? PvE that was more like PvP? Hard to call that challanging, it's suicidal. They oneshoot everything. What is happening with NPC station there? Are they using E-link on them? Ships are intended to explode in this game. Capsuleers are immortal, you remember? There is no such thing as suicide.
It seems like years of consequence-free PvE content as raised a cohort of players that have forgotten the first rule of Eve - don't fly what you cannot afford to lose.
Incursion runners are now going to lose ships on occasion, even if they do everything correctly. Just go get another one like every other Eve player has to from time-to-time. That, or go back to farming L4s until CCP gets around to revamping those as well. |
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