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Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 248	Posted - 2015.07.23 23:21:33 - [61] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: How the hell can't you get a single cepter? what is hard about killing cepters? Oh they ran away. Doesn't that link thingy have a max range? I don't think anyone's complaining about not being able to defend their space. Sure, a single trollceptor is easy to drive away. It's actually not that hard to defend sov now, given the numbers and activity. The issue is, that it's fairly annoying and not very entertaining.
Kestral Anneto The Founding Four Fidelas Constans 102	Posted - 2015.07.24 00:10:09 - [62] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Delt0r Garsk wrote: How the hell can't you get a single cepter? what is hard about killing cepters? Oh they ran away. Doesn't that link thingy have a max range? I don't think anyone's complaining about not being able to defend their space. Sure, a single trollceptor is easy to drive away. It's actually not that hard to defend sov now, given the numbers and activity. The issue is, that it's fairly annoying and not very entertaining. give this man a cookie, hes smarter than CCP This picture is getting spread until Fozzie come down and rolls back the FozzieSov http://puu.sh/j0jX9/92e94d8a2d.jpg
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 154	Posted - 2015.07.24 00:14:14 - [63] - Quote Ok. So I'm not in this mess but I have an idea to bounce off those that are. What if; 1 make the link not fit on a ceptor. This will make pilots that want to attack a system be more dedicated to the cause and cuts out trolling. Gives defenders and attackers more options 2. Make it so reinforcing nodes takes more than one link. Maybe 5 or so. If an attacker or defender cannot dedicate five ships to the cause, then they deserve to loose. This will reduce the ammount of trolls and make attacking a system more tactical and less lol
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 2069	Posted - 2015.07.24 00:43:43 - [64] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Delt0r Garsk wrote: How the hell can't you get a single cepter? what is hard about killing cepters? Oh they ran away. Doesn't that link thingy have a max range? I don't think anyone's complaining about not being able to defend their space. Sure, a single trollceptor is easy to drive away. It's actually not that hard to defend sov now, given the numbers and activity. The issue is, that it's fairly annoying and not very entertaining. Because DENY ALL THE CONTENT... tactics taht the coalitiosn were using in dominin sov was incredbly entretaining? "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 2069	Posted - 2015.07.24 00:47:38 - [65] - Quote Diana Nayli wrote: Deck Cadelanne wrote: Diana Nayli wrote: Yeah, we can split fleets, but still nothing will happen. Split fleets. Give each fleet an entosis link fit ship. Watch as you complete the command node capture really quickly by splitting up and doing several of them at once. Engage brain. Stop being a "but the FC didn't tell me to push F1" lemming. But still, there is NO FUN involved. Yeah, we did it. Every squad had it's own system to hold and capture command node. System succesfully defended without any enemy presence. Congrats. Now we will have great mining/ratting empires all around. AND WHERE WAS THE FUN BEFORE? BEcause clearly by all researchs that CCP made poeopel were NOT FINDING fun at all to stay docked to deny content. ANd that was the MAJOR tactic in dominion sov. Face it, in dominion 90% of time you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. MOst allainces even did nto expect epopel to log in, the Idea was to eventaullly call them trough a PING!!! "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 2069	Posted - 2015.07.24 00:49:04 - [66] - Quote Akballah Kassan wrote: Neuntausend wrote: baltec1 wrote: Chased around a Moa cepter gang in my solo mega twice and had great fun doing it. Content hasn't been this easy to come by for years. Have you caught any? (let me answer that: no, they are ******* interceptors) It's great that you are having fun, but you are really easy to entertain. As long as it involves Megathrons, you seem to be happy. I think the difference is he doesn't need to roam in a hundred plus fleet for pvp and have FC make all his decisions for him which as an opponent I respect. Taht is the whole point. PEople will learn that it is MORE fun if you start actign a bit more by yourself and stop expecting a FC to tell you EVERYTHIGN you need to do. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Vol Arm'OOO Bagel and Lox 688	Posted - 2015.07.24 00:52:29 - [67] - Quote Eli Stan wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Eli Stan wrote: ... Just a few seconds worth of work. Over and over again. That is the key thing, the repetition. Everyone is saying, "Don't let small things bother you," but they seem to have never slept in a room with a mosquito many nights running. Oh no! PVP! Multiple times! However will the game survive??? Fozziesov is pvp the same way killing farmers in fw is pvp. Repetitive, boring, pointless. When your enemies have an endless supply of cheap throw away ships, where is the meaning in the combat? I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 416	Posted - 2015.07.24 07:45:53 - [68] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Eli Stan wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Eli Stan wrote: ... Just a few seconds worth of work. Over and over again. That is the key thing, the repetition. Everyone is saying, "Don't let small things bother you," but they seem to have never slept in a room with a mosquito many nights running. Oh no! PVP! Multiple times! However will the game survive??? Fozziesov is pvp the same way killing farmers in fw is pvp. Repetitive, boring, pointless. When your enemies have an endless supply of cheap throw away ships, where is the meaning in the combat? More to the point, now that it seems clear foziesov is not evejesus, what's next? I predict that ccp continues to dumb down the game in a continuing effort to appeal to new players while aggravating old players, which causes a continuing trickle of old players to leave the game which is not counter balanced by any significant numbers of new players. In other words, the slow burn continues. Oh god. We are back to a eve is dying thread now? sheesh. Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
Daerrol Krieger Industries Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic 196	Posted - 2015.07.24 08:46:32 - [69] - Quote Aren't entosis links like 20m? Are people entosising you on a regular basis in Condors and ventures? If so, I have a Crusader interceptor pilot I would love to put in your corp and farm these guys. Unlike FW they can't warp out when I warp in, and I get a huge bonus for kiling them Edit: Entosis links are currently 34m in Jita. So if I kill 1 farmer/trollcondor every 20 minutes I'm getting comparative income to null ratting. Except I can null rat between trollceptor attacks.... The numbers just get mcuh happier if they bring a T2 entosis.
Renegade Heart Carebear Miners R Us 512	Posted - 2015.07.24 12:33:31 - [70] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Because whack a mole is fun? Nobody ever gave two figs for what a couple of frigs did to each other in the backendass of nowhere. Eve has always grown because of the big events such as the br fight which lead to news coverage which lead to new subs. These tears are very sweet indeed. You are really bad at frigate PvP eh? You could always take a Titan to the battle and show those frigates who is boss! Perhaps you are too chicken to risk something big? Worried it might turn into another BR fight? Put your supercaps where your mouth is son! Or you could just quit and give me some nice things that you don't need anymore.

Jenshae Chiroptera 2071	Posted - 2015.07.24 13:02:48 - [71] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Neuntausend wrote: Delt0r Garsk wrote: How the hell can't you get a single cepter? what is hard about killing cepters? Oh they ran away. Doesn't that link thingy have a max range? I don't think anyone's complaining about not being able to defend their space. Sure, a single trollceptor is easy to drive away. It's actually not that hard to defend sov now, given the numbers and activity. The issue is, that it's fairly annoying and not very entertaining. ... because deny all the content... tactics taht the coalitiosn were using in dominin sov was incredbly entretaining? My signature points to a different approach. I think Fozzie's team approached the problem from the wrong direction. Instead of trying to smash apart the coalitions, they could have enabled other groups to grow big enough to actually challenge them for their space. (Also, Supers and Titans are so common that they could just be heavily nerfed across the board. Less damage output, less need for high eHP structures and less boredom for sub-caps) CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Vic Jefferson The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 504	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:00:35 - [72] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I think Fozzie's team approached the problem from the wrong direction. Instead of trying to smash apart the coalitions, they could have enabled other groups to grow big enough to actually challenge them for their space. On paper, they did. There's plenty of space that could be taken quite readily by small, motivated alliances with lots of dedicated people willing to spend time doing virtual work. What can't be patched, is making people want to do said virtual work. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Globby Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling CODE. 143	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:08:26 - [73] - Quote my opinion is changes is good thanks for listening
Jenshae Chiroptera 2083	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:12:57 - [74] - Quote Vic Jefferson wrote: ... by small, motivated alliances with ... Why are they small? Why do they stay small? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Vic Jefferson The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 505	Posted - 2015.07.24 21:08:39 - [75] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Vic Jefferson wrote: ... by small, motivated alliances with ... Why are they small? Why do they stay small? Simple. Only the best organized and managed entities can survive being big for any appreciable amount of time. There aren't that many people who have the motivation and ability to actually make this sort of thing happen; I believe CCP calls them enablers in their power-point speak. Get more enablers to care about sov if you want to create more, bigger entities. Chances are though, anyone showing promise will find a better deal working for one of the established entities, unless she or he is exceptionally motivated....and currently there's nothing even remotely appealing about sov, at least from my perspective. It has often been pondered if one were to replay the past 450 million years, if we would end up with a very similar world in terms of the same critters evolving. It has also been pondered, with a more concrete and defensible conclusion, if you reset New Eden, what would happen? Names may be slightly different, but chances are the same personalities and same organizations would rise to, and hold on to power, simply by virtue of the strength of their organizational tools, as those are the primary reason things grow and prosper at that scale. Chance doesn't really play into it that much. It's not a thing that can be entirely remedied by game mechanics. It's not so much that you cant physically or militarily beat one of of the established entities - far more doable in FozzieSov than it was before. You are also fighting their decade of experience running an alliance/coalition, which is why no new large entities really manifest often, or at least one factor. Have YOU tried becoming the change it looks like you want to see? Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Deck Cadelanne 173	Posted - 2015.07.24 21:24:39 - [76] - Quote Eli Stan wrote: Diana Nayli wrote: But still, there is NO FUN involved. Yeah, we did it. Every squad had it's own system to hold and capture command node. System succesfully defended without any enemy presence. Congrats. Now we will have great mining/ratting empires all around. How'd the capture event get generated in the first place? Why not just kill the Interceptor when it attempts to reinforce the TCU, IHub or Outpost in the first place, rather than wait for the command node spawn even to happen? Undock a Stabber or RLML Caracal, blap the Inty, go back to whatever else you were going. Just a few seconds worth of work. But...but...they'd have to actually be there to do that... *"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."* - Hunter S. Thompson
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6728	Posted - 2015.07.25 03:07:50 - [77] - Quote Trollsov is the greatest update that really shakes up null... By the way, we're starting up our program of cooperative coprosperity, check "Sell Orders" subforum for details. Really shaken up null is available... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2095	Posted - 2015.07.25 11:44:25 - [78] - Quote Vic Jefferson wrote: ... which is why no new large entities really manifest often, or at least one factor. ... You do not think another large factor is a bottle neck? Where the estabilished alliances shut the small ones out unless they join their coalitions? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Danny Nuttall Perkone Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.07.25 12:02:18 - [79] - Quote i wonder what it would be like if instead of command nodes appearing it was instead facilities in districts on the planets, maybe even get those dust bunnies involved somehow Aka the MatchMaker
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 458	Posted - 2015.07.25 12:08:59 - [80] - Quote Tollen Gallen wrote: EVE I like Cheese. TTLTL: DL

baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 16437	Posted - 2015.07.25 12:24:25 - [81] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Vic Jefferson wrote: ... which is why no new large entities really manifest often, or at least one factor. ... You do not think another large factor is a bottle neck? Where the estabilished alliances shut the small ones out unless they join their coalitions? This is by far the best chance for smaller groups to gab a chunk of space for the past decade. More changes are due to drop too which will help with that. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Jenshae Chiroptera 2095	Posted - 2015.07.25 12:42:06 - [82] - Quote baltec1 wrote: ... This is by far the best chance for smaller groups to gab a chunk of space for the past decade. More changes are due to drop too which will help with that. Don't make that honey trap too sweet. They might grow suspicious. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Kestral Anneto The Founding Four Fidelas Constans 102	Posted - 2015.07.25 13:04:55 - [83] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Vic Jefferson wrote: ... which is why no new large entities really manifest often, or at least one factor. ... You do not think another large factor is a bottle neck? Where the estabilished alliances shut the small ones out unless they join their coalitions? This is by far the best chance for smaller groups to gab a chunk of space for the past decade. More changes are due to drop too which will help with that. your kididng, right? the entire point is to hold the grid while the Magic Sov Wand waves. it basically boils down to attrition and man power, and the larger entities in Nullsec can throw a lot more meat into the grinder than and small high or lowsec entity. This picture is getting spread until Fozzie come down and rolls back the FozzieSov http://puu.sh/j0jX9/92e94d8a2d.jpg
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 16438	Posted - 2015.07.25 13:22:18 - [84] - Quote Kestral Anneto wrote: your kididng, right? the entire point is to hold the grid while the Magic Sov Wand waves. it basically boils down to attrition and man power, and the larger entities in Nullsec can throw a lot more meat into the grinder than and small high or lowsec entity. Blobs are too big an unwieldy for this kind of sov game, small gangs are all the rage and upcoming changes are only going to make them better. You might not have much luck with the fortress that is goondor but fountain on the other hand... Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 16438	Posted - 2015.07.25 13:28:02 - [85] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: baltec1 wrote: ... This is by far the best chance for smaller groups to gab a chunk of space for the past decade. More changes are due to drop too which will help with that. Don't make that honey trap too sweet. They might grow suspicious. Who could be suspicious with our fantastic offer of live in pureblind and reap the rewards of fozziesov, living next to the most secure space in all of nullsec. Why, miners from across highsec who say that null is more secure than highsec should jump at our offer of protection and "mad roids" as far as the eye can see and all of your mining help to defend our space. Work Sets You Free. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Kestral Anneto The Founding Four Fidelas Constans 102	Posted - 2015.07.25 13:29:50 - [86] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Kestral Anneto wrote: your kididng, right? the entire point is to hold the grid while the Magic Sov Wand waves. it basically boils down to attrition and man power, and the larger entities in Nullsec can throw a lot more meat into the grinder than and small high or lowsec entity. Blobs are too big an unwieldy for this kind of sov game, small gangs are all the rage and upcoming changes are only going to make them better. You might not have much luck with the fortress that is goondor but fountain on the other hand... they have basically turned sov warefare into faction warefare, and a blob can split into mini-blobs to control the grid of each plex. turning sov warefare into small gang stuff is the biggest mistake that CCP has made, in my opinion. Sov warfare, and controling space, should be the domain of big fleets, with capital support, not a bunch of ceptors and cruisers. If people wanted small gang content, they would go on roams and do faction warfare. its that simple. This picture is getting spread until Fozzie come down and rolls back the FozzieSov http://puu.sh/j0jX9/92e94d8a2d.jpg
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2306	Posted - 2015.07.25 13:40:39 - [87] - Quote Diana Nayli wrote: Rowells wrote: so, you say you tried to adapt, yet you mention you used the same tactics as before... pick one May I ask you, what do YOU like about that sov system? DO you enjoy chasing few frigates for whole night? It's only for four hours a day but yes, I agree, it is dumb. But I don't blame CCP for that. I blame the people who still form blobs of **** to go and try to outblob three frigates :D
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6728	Posted - 2015.07.25 13:51:10 - [88] - Quote Kestral Anneto wrote: turning sov warefare into small gang stuff is the biggest mistake that CCP has made, in my opinion. Sov warfare, and controling space, should be the domain of big fleets, with capital support, not a bunch of ceptors and cruisers. If people wanted small gang content, they would go on roams and do faction warfare. its that simple. You see, it would appear that... Kestral Anneto wrote: big fleets, with capital support, not a bunch of ceptors and cruisers. There's a fundamental disagreement between you and ccps vision of nullsec ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Kestral Anneto The Founding Four Fidelas Constans 102	Posted - 2015.07.25 14:24:25 - [89] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Kestral Anneto wrote: turning sov warefare into small gang stuff is the biggest mistake that CCP has made, in my opinion. Sov warfare, and controling space, should be the domain of big fleets, with capital support, not a bunch of ceptors and cruisers. If people wanted small gang content, they would go on roams and do faction warfare. its that simple. You see, it would appear that... Kestral Anneto wrote: big fleets, with capital support, not a bunch of ceptors and cruisers. There's a fundamental disagreement between you and ccps vision of nullsec thats because, as i have said before, CCP have started to buckle under their own hubris. This picture is getting spread until Fozzie come down and rolls back the FozzieSov http://puu.sh/j0jX9/92e94d8a2d.jpg
Jenshae Chiroptera 2098	Posted - 2015.07.25 14:43:20 - [90] - Quote 10 vs 100 Even if the 100 split into 10s to go to 10 nodes, they will still beat the 10 attackers, most of the time because they can hold them until another group arrives or just kill the attacking 10 because they have split into 1s to go wave their wands at each node. N+1 still wins. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.



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