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helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 133	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:25:30 - [1] - Quote So Thera is basicly boring. Its pretty empty and hard for most wormhole residients to get to. Your lucky if you find Thera in your chain once a week. Proposal - Turn Thera into a trade hub for wormhole residents. Reduce it to one massive station surounded by wormholes. How 1. Increase the connections to wormhole space massievly. 100 Wormhole connections every day to other wormhole systems. (This would ensure wormhole corps have a reasonable chance of finding a entrance). 2. WH connections (to w space) have unlimited mass and a 24 hour life. 3. Eliminate the K space connections directly to/from Thera 4. No ships but Industrials or shuttles or frigates or DICs allowed into the Thera system. No ancorable bubbles or other bubbles allowed. It is a trade hub thats it. Jump into Thera in a prohibited ship class and the drifters will insta bbq you. DICS cant launch bubbles in Thera (but can in neighbouring w systems) 5. No PvP or suicide ganking in the system. Drifter system wide jaming is in effect. Connecting w systems are still pvp zones. 6. No manufacturing. No scanable sites, gas or combat anoms. Its a trade hub only. 7. No Ancorable bubbles or structures allowed on grid with the wormhole of a connecting W space system. DICTOR and HIC Bubbles are OK. 8. When you leave the Thera system you are shot out of the wormhole 160 km in a random direction. 9. Thera station is seeded with skillbooks. and has blue loot NPC buy orders. Why 1. Encourage Industry (and more people) into wormholes and create a community in wormhole space. Think of Thera like central hub for Wormhole residents. 2. PvP and ganking opportunities... Smart pvpers will still be able to catch industrials on the approaches to Thera.. If you dont know how... u suck. Lots of opportunities for baiting with DSTs on the approaches as well. Smart Industrialists with scouts will be able to use the hub with a reasonable degree of safety. (although they can still be caught). 3. Frigate, Industrial and shuttle only restrcition in Thera is to prevent Thera being used as a power projection transit point. You can still move a frigate fleet with frig logi support through Thera. Could make assualt frigates fleets a thing again. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2978	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:01:06 - [2] - Quote Quote: saw some flaws. fixed em Really? I still see tons of flaws. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 134	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:03:37 - [3] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: Quote: saw some flaws. fixed em Really? I still see tons of flaws. then by all means enlighten me.. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2981	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:10:42 - [4] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: Quote: saw some flaws. fixed em Really? I still see tons of flaws. then by all means enlighten me.. Most everything you have suggested is completely against the design of Thera as well as the intent of Eve. You want arbitrary restriction placed in this system for you own benefit. Jita was made a trade hub by the players and not pigeon holed into a trade hub by CCP. To name a few. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8379	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:13:15 - [5] - Quote tldr; "I want an absolutely safe place to trade stuff in that exists in its own little microcosm separate from known Space and has tons of connections to other wormholes so transportation is ludicrously easy." Also going to say no. There never has been, nor should there ever be, a "no PvP" star system. How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 135	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:13:49 - [6] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: helana Tsero wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: Quote: saw some flaws. fixed em Really? I still see tons of flaws. then by all means enlighten me.. Most everything you have suggested is completely against the design of Thera as well as the intent of Eve. You want arbitrary restriction placed in this system for you own benefit. Jita was made a trade hub by the players and not pigeon holed into a trade hub by CCP. To name a few. None of what you just said is a flaw in the design. Its just you dont like the idea. Which is fine. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3616	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:15:06 - [7] - Quote So...a wormhole. As in, the most lawless, most dangerous type of space. Yet you want to it be massively safer than highsec, while allowing for freighters crammed with gear to shuttle back and forth through it, and the total removal of anything resembling a risk when it comes to getting your bloot in and out, while also simultaneously destroying the use of the system as a highway? What are you on, and can I have some?
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 135	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:15:35 - [8] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: tldr; "I want an absolutely safe place to trade and market stuff in that exists in its own little microcosm separate from known Space and has tons of connections to other wormholes so transportation is ludicrously easy." Also going to say no. There never has been, nor should there ever be, a "no PvP" star system. If you think its safe then you have no idea how wormhole pvp works. I can think of tons of ways to kill industrials entering and leaving this system. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8380	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:15:37 - [9] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: Most everything you have suggested is completely against the design of Thera as well as the intent of Eve. You want arbitrary restriction placed in this system for you own benefit. Jita was made a trade hub by the players and not pigeon holed into a trade hub by CCP. To name a few. None of what you just said is a flaw in the design. Its just you dont like the idea. Which is fine. Ummm... the design ITSELF is flawed. It doesn't jive with the ethos of EVE (see: "no place is safe"). This goes doubly so for wormhole systems. helana Tsero wrote: If you think its safe then you have no idea how wormhole pvp works. I can think of tons of ways to kill industrials entering and leaving this system. Jump through wormhole. Find a PvP gang waiting for you. Burn back to wormhole. Jump back through. None of the attackers can follow you. Find another wormhole. Yes... it is too safe. How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 135	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:17:46 - [10] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: So...a wormhole. As in, the most lawless, most dangerous type of space. Yet you want to it be massively safer than highsec, while allowing for freighters crammed with gear to shuttle back and forth through it, and the total removal of anything resembling a risk when it comes to getting your bloot in and out, while also simultaneously destroying the use of the system as a highway? What are you on, and can I have some? Its not safe.. you just dont know how to do w space. There is no way a freightor (without support) is going to make it out it in or out against a people who know what they are doing. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3619	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:21:06 - [11] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: Danika Princip wrote: So...a wormhole. As in, the most lawless, most dangerous type of space. Yet you want to it be massively safer than highsec, while allowing for freighters crammed with gear to shuttle back and forth through it, and the total removal of anything resembling a risk when it comes to getting your bloot in and out, while also simultaneously destroying the use of the system as a highway? What are you on, and can I have some? Its not safe.. you just dont know how to do w space. There is no way a freightor (without support) is going to make it out it in or out against a people who know what they are doing. Who said anything about doing it without support? You have a couple of guys secure one hole for one minute, and there's no risk at all. Or you just scout it first. Explain why this would be good for the game. Explain why wormholes, the most dangerous, lawless type of space, should have an area that is much safer than highsec.
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 135	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:29:36 - [12] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: helana Tsero wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: Most everything you have suggested is completely against the design of Thera as well as the intent of Eve. You want arbitrary restriction placed in this system for you own benefit. Jita was made a trade hub by the players and not pigeon holed into a trade hub by CCP. To name a few. None of what you just said is a flaw in the design. Its just you dont like the idea. Which is fine. Ummm... the design ITSELF is flawed. it doesn't jive with the ethos of EVE (no place is safe). This goes doubly so for wormhole systems. helana Tsero wrote: If you think its safe then you have no idea how wormhole pvp works. I can think of tons of ways to kill industrials entering and leaving this system. Jump through wormhole. Find a PvP gang waiting for you. Burn back to wormhole. Jump back through. None of the attackers can follow you. Find another wormhole. Yes... it is too safe. You in a industrial. You warp to a Thera wormhole from another wormhole. land in sabre bubble. Your not making it 20km to the Thera wormhole. Jump a Industrial out of Thera and find a gang waiting for you. Your not making 40km it back to Thera wh. (see the wormhole spawn distance in the inital post) 40km is a doable distance for a interceptor to catch before warp off. especially with links. Goal is. Smart people in Industrials have a good chance of making it. Dumb people will die. Hint... there are alot of dumb people in eve.. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8380	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:44:11 - [13] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: Jump through wormhole. Find a PvP gang waiting for you. Burn back to wormhole. Jump back through. None of the attackers can follow you. Find another wormhole. Yes... it is too safe. You in a industrial. You warp to a Thera wormhole from another wormhole. land in sabre bubble. Your not making it 20km to the Thera wormhole. Jump a Industrial out of Thera and find a gang waiting for you. Your not making 40km it back to Thera wh. (see the wormhole spawn distance in the inital post) 40km is a doable distance for a interceptor to catch before warp off. especially with links. Goal is. Smart people in Industrials have a good chance of making it. Dumb people will die. Hint... there are alot of dumb people in eve.. Protip: if you are not using Blockade Runners fitted with a cloak, MWD, and have the assistance of a cloaky-probing scout... you are not taking the logistics of wormhole life seriously. But all that that is beside the point; there should NEVER be a star system in EVE where "no PvP" is allowed. Especially so for a wormhole system. It goes against the principles of EVE. Hell... it makes the place safer than high-sec or even heavily fortified null-sec systems. How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 135	Posted - 2015.07.26 03:06:04 - [14] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: helana Tsero wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: Jump through wormhole. Find a PvP gang waiting for you. Burn back to wormhole. Jump back through. None of the attackers can follow you. Find another wormhole. Yes... it is too safe. You in a industrial. You warp to a Thera wormhole from another wormhole. land in sabre bubble. Your not making it 20km to the Thera wormhole. Jump a Industrial out of Thera and find a gang waiting for you. Your not making 40km it back to Thera wh. (see the wormhole spawn distance in the inital post) 40km is a doable distance for a interceptor to catch before warp off. especially with links. Goal is. Smart people in Industrials have a good chance of making it. Dumb people will die. Hint... there are alot of dumb people in eve.. Protip: if you are not using Blockade Runners fitted with a cloak, MWD, and have the assistance of a cloaky-probing scout... you are not taking the logistics of wormhole life seriously. But all that that is beside the point; there should NEVER be a star system in EVE where "no PvP" is allowed. Especially so for a wormhole system. It goes against the principles of EVE. Hell... it makes the place safer than high-sec or even heavily fortified null-sec systems. Protip - Blockade runners are 95% of the time safe in current wh systems. This idea doesnt make them any safer or less safe. What it does do is create a funnel point for industrials in wormhole space. So they get to sell their loot and pvpers have an opportuntity to interdict. again... this is w space its not low sec or null sec.. Different hunting techniques apply.. in wh pvp you cloak up and watch people at their POSs... see them switch to an orca and you know Thera is two whs away. Good chance that is where they are gonig.. So you set up a cloaky trap on the WH... (not the Thera wh... the preceding wh...) Its not that hard... This idea funnels people into a area... lol it actualy makes wh ganking easier... You guys have just never done it before so your criticisms are based on ignorance. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
Rawketsled Generic Corp Name 245	Posted - 2015.07.26 11:39:08 - [15] - Quote 4/10 troll. Made me smirk.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2585	Posted - 2015.07.26 11:58:38 - [16] - Quote So its too much work for you to get supplies from jita and thera, so you propose more frequent connections to a new system that is even safer than hi-sec? No. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 394	Posted - 2015.07.26 12:49:24 - [17] - Quote Came and read the OP. Had some thoughts but they have all been covered so a simple NO will have to do.
Rayzilla Zaraki Yin Jian Enterprises 299	Posted - 2015.07.26 13:12:16 - [18] - Quote Checked calendar. Not April 1st. /trollthread Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.
FireFrenzy SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart. 540	Posted - 2015.07.26 15:33:01 - [19] - Quote This is just about the single most ******** idea i have ever have the dubious pleasure of being exposed to... we do NOT need a way to move entire coalition level fleets through wormholes via a convenient midpoint... Thats what living in K-space is for,,, Can you provide me with the intel on who your main is since its quite clear you have never actually wormholed...
Atomeon The Scope Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:26:01 - [20] - Quote You go to thera to buy a new ship, sorry you cant fly it. Now i m thinking of it whith what ship you will go to? Its a trade hub you said.
Baali Tekitsu AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 831	Posted - 2015.07.27 01:32:20 - [21] - Quote nice shiptoast the eveo forums indeed do attract the worst tards RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
Praxston Superior Agricultural Domestication 19	Posted - 2015.07.27 08:03:31 - [22] - Quote **** in your own house, not mine
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 6210	Posted - 2015.07.27 19:37:23 - [23] - Quote Removed an off topic post. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Leto Aramaus Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop 202	Posted - 2015.07.27 20:53:56 - [24] - Quote +1 this idea is so great. But if you get your custom-made, perfect-for-doing-exactly-what-you-like-to-do-in-EVE system, of course it's only fair I get mine as well... 1. Make a new wormhole system that only allows pilots named "Leto Aramaus" inside. 2. Anyone not named "Leto Aramaus" jumping in gets instantly wtfbbqpwned by the "Woop woop" (an NPC police force I just made up for my new system) 3. There are always at least 3 of every level of DED site somewhere in system. 4. There are always at least 2 officer spawns of any given type in the system at all times. 5. There are always at least 100 anomalies, of all variety of NPC pirate factions, at any given time. 6. There are asteroid belts that don't need mined, "Leto Aramaus" just needs to warp to them, and all minerals in the belt are automatically transferred to my item hangar in the station (see No. 7) 7. There is a station in system, already owned by "Leto Aramaus", with 0% refining tax, 1 of every type and level of agent, from every NPC corp in EVE. These agents have no minimum standing, and I have access to all of them. 8. Any ship piloted by "Leto Aramaus" in this system gets the following bonuses: + 99% to all armor, shield, and hull damage resistance levels + 500% velocity and agility + 500% tracking for all turrets + 500% damage to all weapons (including drones) oh yeah and + 1000% to drone hitpoints And some more stuff I guess, idk... whatever I feel like. Give "Leto Aramaus" full dev control inside this system, to create,destroy, place, or even make up any new item I want. The UI update we deserve
DaReaper Net 7 2436	Posted - 2015.07.27 21:33:52 - [25] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: Danika Princip wrote: So...a wormhole. As in, the most lawless, most dangerous type of space. Yet you want to it be massively safer than highsec, while allowing for freighters crammed with gear to shuttle back and forth through it, and the total removal of anything resembling a risk when it comes to getting your bloot in and out, while also simultaneously destroying the use of the system as a highway? What are you on, and can I have some? Its not safe.. you just dont know how to do w space. There is no way a freightor (without support) is going to make it out it in or out against a people who know what they are doing. .... yea.. no. no pvp means no to the idea OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Murkar Omaristos The Alabaster Albatross Eternal Pretorian Alliance 124	Posted - 2015.07.27 22:10:02 - [26] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: So Thera is basicly boring. Its pretty empty and hard for most wormhole residents to get to. Your lucky if you find Thera in your chain once a week. Proposal - Turn Thera into a trade hub for wormhole residents. Reduce it to one massive station surounded by wormholes. How 1. Increase the connections to wormhole space massively. 100 Wormhole connections every day to other wormhole systems. (This would ensure wormhole corps have a reasonable chance of finding a entrance). 2. WH connections (to w space) have unlimited mass and a 24 hour life. 3. Eliminate the K space connections directly to/from Thera 4. No ships but Industrials / freightors/ shuttles / Pods / frigates / DICs allowed into the Thera system. No ancorable bubbles or other bubbles allowed. It is a trade hub thats it. Jump into Thera in a prohibited ship class and the drifters will insta bbq you. 5. DICS cant launch bubbles in Thera (but can in neighbouring w systems) 6.. No PvP or suicide ganking in the system. Drifter system wide jaming is in effect. Connecting w systems are still pvp zones. 7.. Drifter technology controlling the Thera wormholes wont let you back into Thera if you have fired your guns or launched/activated a bubble. 5 min timer. 8. No manufacturing. No scanable sites, gas or combat anoms. Its a trade hub only. 9. No Ancorable bubbles or structures allowed on grid with the wormhole of a connecting W space system. DICTOR and HIC Bubbles are OK. 10. When you leave the Thera system you are shot out of the wormhole 40 km in a random direction. 11. Thera station is seeded with skillbooks. and has blue loot NPC buy orders. . Alright, let's do this one at a time. 1. No. That would cause pretty massive chaos. Within a day someone would have a website up for posting/charting thera connections so you could find anyone's wormhole if you wanted to. 2. Collapsing wormholes is important for hole security for corps that live in w-space. So another no, sry. 3. Counter to your point, which was to increase thera traffic. A lot of thera traffic likely comes from k-space. 4. See 5. 5. A w-space system with no bubbles is basically lowsec. I agree that would increase traffic, I'll suspend judgment on this suggestion. To ban bubbles though the security status of Thera should be reset to lowsec rather than -1.0 sec. 6. Just......what......why would Thera be MORE secure than hisec? 7. Uhhhhh....... Sorry. I couldn't get through all ten after seeing numbers 6 and 7.
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 712	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:09:23 - [27] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: So Thera is basicly boring. Its pretty empty and hard for most wormhole residents to get to. Your lucky if you find Thera in your chain once a week.. I'll bite, if it so empty why are you making it so secure? Apparently gankers aren't rushing it in droves to start off with. Thera being mostly empty would be a pro not a con chief. Even as a neut to all in empire....a little bit of my paranoid side goes is today the day I get some ganker(s) in jita who doesn't care about the suicide gank and pops me when I go there. Fill in other hub ofc. Or known chokepoints (niarja, spelling probably off, for example) on the way. Also please do tell....how does this scenario make sense. I lose my ship 1 system over. its a larger combat ship. Make it a BC or BS (banned from this). So I have to fly back to my hole, dump to empire, or any other long route just to reship. With your shiny new thera right there? Just one system away. And this makes sense how? Hell lets have my ship low on ammo. I can't even go there to get more ammo. So basiclally....where is the motivation to stock up your new thera when it can't take in lots of shoppers really. It be your one stop shoppers who'd be a decent part of your business. One stop shoppers getting "gated" for being in a ship larger than a frigate. ever see the markup on say cough syrup in a 24/7 convenience store at 0200. Not like you can go to the supermarket to get it cheaper, that place is closed. This....is the easy markup money you are losing real fast.
M1k3y Koontz Respawn Disabled Initiative Mercenaries 766	Posted - 2015.07.27 23:14:32 - [28] - Quote I'm going to give this a big huge no. But I don't have to because CCP wouldn't do it anyway. I like Thera as it is, thank you. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Nyalnara AdAstra. Beach Club 86	Posted - 2015.07.28 12:47:45 - [29] - Quote Leto Aramaus wrote: +1 this idea is so great. But if you get your custom-made, perfect-for-doing-exactly-what-you-like-to-do-in-EVE system, of course it's only fair I get mine as well... 1. Make a new wormhole system that only allows pilots named "Leto Aramaus" inside. 2. Anyone not named "Leto Aramaus" jumping in gets instantly wtfbbqpwned by the "Woop woop" (an NPC police force I just made up for my new system) 3. There are always at least 3 of every level of DED site somewhere in system. 4. There are always at least 2 officer spawns of any given type in the system at all times. 5. There are always at least 100 anomalies, of all variety of NPC pirate factions, at any given time. 6. There are asteroid belts that don't need mined, "Leto Aramaus" just needs to warp to them, and all minerals in the belt are automatically transferred to my item hangar in the station (see No. 7) 7. There is a station in system, already owned by "Leto Aramaus", with 0% refining tax, 1 of every type and level of agent, from every NPC corp in EVE. These agents have no minimum standing, and I have access to all of them. 8. Any ship piloted by "Leto Aramaus" in this system gets the following bonuses: + 99% to all armor, shield, and hull damage resistance levels + 500% velocity and agility + 500% tracking for all turrets + 500% damage to all weapons (including drones) oh yeah and + 1000% to drone hitpoints And some more stuff I guess, idk... whatever I feel like. Give "Leto Aramaus" full dev control inside this system, to create,destroy, place, or even make up any new item I want. As long as i have my own hole, i see no reason to say no to that kind of proposition. Maybe corporation owned, would be less... Who am i kidding, everything said in this was a monumental troll. Derp seal of approval. In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.

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