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Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:58:00 - [121] Originally by: Rod Blaine Give ASCN Dianabolic, Rift and one or two other leaders of ours to command them and they'd have owned us so hard we'd be the ones left a region lighter. WTB: BoB FCs! -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:07:00 - [122] Originally by: Rod Blaine Give ASCN Dianabolic, Rift and one or two other leaders of ours to command them and they'd have owned us so hard we'd be the ones left a region lighter. I forsee these 2 being primary alot more
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:08:00 - [123] Originally by: Nez Perces Will the north fracture like it often does and fight amongst themselves or is the northern union steadfast and in it for the long haul? Outbreak has been raiding in Tribute/Venal, based out of Lonetrek, since mid October. Here's what I know. We're inflicting billions of isk in damage per day, but it doesn't really matter too much. The Northern blob is pretty sizable and our raids have not diminished it. There don't seem to be many other sources of conflict up here. Fate and kemono are conducting raids with similar results as Outbreak, scaled for size. The Northerners successfully removed TCF at about the same time as our campaign started. I don't know too much about TCF, so the quality of this achievement isn't clear. Let's just say that if a middle sized alliance moves into the North and doesnt NAP everything, the Northerners will be able to remove them after several months. Thats what I know about the residents of Tribute/Venal. Those are the facts as far as I can tell as they relate to their military prowess and ability to defend/repulse invaders. Here are some other facts. When Outbreak took some battleships up to harass the Razor outpost Egg in September a lot of different alliances responded. There is some degree of solidarity up there. I would say that at the beginning of a cohesive, high pressure assault on the North the alliances would work together. I do not know enough about the individual personalities of alliance leaders to know what would develop several weeks into a campaign that posed a real threat to the North. I can guess, though. I have witnessed enough behavior that I think that the Northerners would fracture under pressure. I believe, in this case, that pressure would not produce a diamond - it would produce gravel. The number of loggers in the North is more than any where else I have played. I have had multiple FC's of opposing forces log off to save their pod. I have had a director of Outbreak write an evemail to the CEO of a D2 corp alerting the CEO that one of their players was meta-gaming by logging to save his pod, to which the CEO replied, "ganker . . . don't waste my time." So what does that have to do with the North's solidarity? Well, in my experience, unless you have your players all aligned in the same direction, working for the same goals, then theyre going to work at cross purposes and get in each others way. By adopting a belief system which is not held by the entire alliance - ie. cheating is ok - meta gaming and logging off is fine - then the alliance of alliances in the North is making itself weaker. The counter example to this is the Russians - they metagame like crazy and they'll still kick your ass. But the difference is that its an official stance and all their players embrace it. They're all aligned in their acceptance of meta-gaming. The North is not, yet enough of their leaders sanction meta-gaming to create weaknesses which would lead to fractures under pressure. It's my belief that this acceptance of meta-gaming from some of the leadership of Northern entities is a symptom of a deeper illness. What cultural sickness exists that would lead some leaders to condone metagaming? When pressure comes will this loss of morality translate into loss of military cohesiveness? I guess a better question is, will pressure ever come? We need more disciplined military alliances like BoB to kick the snot out of these jellyfish amoeba creatures that exist like pond scum all over the surface of eve.
Shiv Katall Minmatar Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:13:00 - [124] I have to say that BoB has showed that they are indeed great PvPers. They have their crap together and even out manned and gunned they can still pull it off. I tip my hat to you. Despite all the bull that goes on between the leaders and all the flames I have to say that I am very greatly impressed with how the majority of people have behaved and treated one another. The battles have been fun. It has showed ASCN that they need to greatly improve in the handling of the war if it is to survive. I know that a great many of us have been going thru a learning experience, often at the expense of our ships but thats ok. I am having fun. Thats why I play the game. I hope that all involved are having fun too. Thank you BoB for coming into ASCN space and teaching me more about fleet combat in the past few weeks than I have learned since I started playing. I hope for many fun battles. My views are my own and not that of my corporation and alliance.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:24:00 - [125] Originally by: Marko Debreault We need more disciplined military alliances like BoB to kick the snot out of these jellyfish amoeba creatures that exist like pond scum all over the surface of eve. Amen to that.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:25:00 - [126] Marko, make an alliance called [PROZAC] and go cure the depressed jellyfish for us Old blog
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:38:00 - [127] Edited by: Orree on 07/12/2006 21:44:15 Edited by: Orree on 07/12/2006 21:40:00 Very interesting read, Marko. I see a lot of truth in what you say...but I believe you're also off the mark on some others. I'm not going to point those out to you, though. You can educate yourself. I think certain entities in the North are in solid with each other, but there are other who are not. Even within the alliances, some corps are strong and determined....others much less so. The problem with any group like what is assembled in "The North" is that the more parts (read: alliances/corps), the less stability and cohesion you're going to have. Too many differing priorities...uneven commitments...poorly defined agendas. Very difficult to get everyone on the same page. I think the powers are definitely D2, Razor and IRON. The rest is supporting cast of varying quality, even within each alliance. I think if one could cherry-pick the cream of the north and get it all in one entity, it would probably be a strong force. During my 5 months in "The North," I have seen its residents come together and do what it has had to do on a few notable occasions. That TOXIN runs wild in the area is somewhat troubling, but not enough so to get a full reaction out of The North. It's possible that people see it as a good thing you're here (though you do a good amount of damage). You're good fighters and not necessarily territorial. Personally, I have enjoyed fighting you guys over the past few months. Believe me...every time you get a gank, despite the gankee having the intel available to avoid it, there are those of us that roll our eyes and shake our heads. As for logging to save pods...as I've seen some of your guys do it (noteably those who apparently have snake implant sets), I don't think I'd really be bringing that up a a negative for The North and a plus for you. Everyone has their losers (or meta-gamers, if that's what the hip term is these days). See ya out there.
Itzena Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:38:00 - [128] Well, the Goons just acquired 25billion from AXE...does that sweeten the deal for BoB, or were you more happy that a bunch of AXE POSes went into reinforced? -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:01:00 - [129] Originally by: Orree As for logging to save pods...as I've seen some of your guys do it (noteably those who apparently have snake implant sets), I don't think I'd really be bringing that up a a negative for The North and a plus for you. Everyone has their losers (or meta-gamers, if that's what the hip term is these days). See ya out there. Nice post, But if u ever have a toxin player logg to save his pod, Or use logg off tactic u can contact marko or anny other off the leadership in Outbreak and that member will get solved with. As really not take lightley with logging to save annything. So i do really think u are misstaking, But if i am. Plz contact Marko and he will sort that out in his way. HF =)
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:17:00 - [130] Originally by: Mindlles Originally by: Orree As for logging to save pods...as I've seen some of your guys do it (noteably those who apparently have snake implant sets), I don't think I'd really be bringing that up a a negative for The North and a plus for you. Everyone has their losers (or meta-gamers, if that's what the hip term is these days). See ya out there. Nice post, But if u ever have a toxin player logg to save his pod, Or use logg off tactic u can contact marko or anny other off the leadership in Outbreak and that member will get solved with. As really not take lightley with logging to save annything. So i do really think u are misstaking, But if i am. Plz contact Marko and he will sort that out in his way. HF =) I'll vouch for that, we had an (new to) Outbreak member logoff on us when we were up in Fountain. Next day the perpetrator turned up at our pos and was podded. Whether he had his implants in who knows, but the gesture is there and I do not doubt that Marko et al will deal with TOXIN loggers severely. Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.

Lunas Feelgood Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:44:00 - [131] Originally by: Marko Debreault Originally by: Nez Perces Will the north fracture like it often does and fight amongst themselves or is the northern union steadfast and in it for the long haul? Outbreak has been raiding in Tribute/Venal, based out of Lonetrek, since mid October. Here's what I know. There don't seem to be many other sources of conflict up here. Fate and kemono are conducting raids with similar results as Outbreak, scaled for size. Thats what I know about the residents of Tribute/Venal. Those are the facts as far as I can tell as they relate to their military prowess and ability to defend/repulse invaders. Here are some other facts. When Outbreak took some battleships up to harass the Razor outpost Egg in September a lot of different alliances responded. There is some degree of solidarity up there. I would say that at the beginning of a cohesive, high pressure assault on the North the alliances would work together. I do not know enough about the individual personalities of alliance leaders to know what would develop several weeks into a campaign that posed a real threat to the North. I can guess, though. I have witnessed enough behavior that I think that the Northerners would fracture under pressure. I believe, in this case, that pressure would not produce a diamond - it would produce gravel. The number of loggers in the North is more than any where else I have played. I have had multiple FC's of opposing forces log off to save their pod. I have had a director of Outbreak write an evemail to the CEO of a D2 corp alerting the CEO that one of their players was meta-gaming by logging to save his pod, to which the CEO replied, "ganker . . . don't waste my time." So what does that have to do with the North's solidarity? Well, in my experience, unless you have your players all aligned in the same direction, working for the same goals, then theyre going to work at cross purposes and get in each others way. By adopting a belief system which is not held by the entire alliance - ie. cheating is ok - meta gaming and logging off is fine - then the alliance of alliances in the North is making itself weaker. The counter example to this is the Russians - they metagame like crazy and they'll still kick your ass. But the difference is that its an official stance and all their players embrace it. They're all aligned in their acceptance of meta-gaming. The North is not, yet enough of their leaders sanction meta-gaming to create weaknesses which would lead to fractures under pressure. I guess a better question is, will pressure ever come? We need more disciplined military alliances like BoB to kick the snot out of these jellyfish amoeba creatures that exist like pond scum all over the surface of eve. I think thats a very hars post.. Becuase my dear Marko you know its almost impossible to control all members even if you tell them 1000 times and kick several.. Im preatty sure some of you pilots has even log off it happends to every corp, even some BOB pilots has done it.. That doesnt mean BOB is all loggers and nubs.. Its simply something the corp cant control becuase unless you gte fraps off the pilot who loged off you cant really do anything then just send mails to all pilots its stricktly forbidden.... So Marko before you go on a rampage and start dissing corps reputation.. plz stop and ask youself is that fair towards the corp?, No is not and im quite sure if you send proff to there CEO they will kick any pilot that does that.. Also im abit suprices about this post marko becuase I have never seen you talked like that since you battle Angels times.. And you should know better that no CEO can control his members 100% unless you get all there account info and then have 100 alts.. Regards Lunas, PS tell uggs he is a nub
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.07 23:32:00 - [132] so let me get this right. D2 is in a BoB thread about the goons who are living in RA space who are friends with AAA who are fighting AXE who are friends with ASCN who in turn are fighting BOB who said goon would never own space which in turn goons own a station or two which again turns around and is said Bob will been taken away when goons have something to take away in which doesn't concern D2 at all. is that all? For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 23:53:00 - [133] Originally by: Dragerest so let me get this right. D2 is in a BoB thread about the goons who are living in RA space who are friends with AAA who are fighting AXE who are friends with ASCN who in turn are fighting BOB who said goon would never own space which in turn goons own a station or two which again turns around and is said Bob will been taken away when goons have something to take away in which doesn't concern D2 at all. is that all? I think that's it, yeah. I think. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 23:55:00 - [134] Originally by: Dragerest so let me get this right. D2 is in a BoB thread about the goons who are living in RA space who are friends with AAA who are fighting AXE who are friends with ASCN who in turn are fighting BOB who said goon would never own space which in turn goons own a station or two which again turns around and is said Bob will been taken away when goons have something to take away in which doesn't concern D2 at all. is that all? no, you missed Outbreak. ..and i too will back up what Mindlles and Dianabolic said. They're stand up and Marko & Boldyn wear their colours on their sleeve. I was there with their pilot in fountain and it was dealt with courteously and professionally, kudos then, kudos now. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.07 23:59:00 - [135] must of missed the outbreak part..i always forget some monday detail. For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.08 00:47:00 - [136] Originally by: Dragerest so let me get this right. D2 is in a BoB thread about the goons who are living in RA space who are friends with AAA who are fighting AXE who are friends with ASCN who in turn are fighting BOB who said goon would never own space which in turn goons own a station or two which again turns around and is said Bob will been taken away when goons have something to take away in which doesn't concern D2 at all. is that all? Actually, the thread has morphed into quite an interesting discussion about how the universe is shaping up post-kali.... but I guess that went straight over your head..... or perhaps.... it didn't...
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.08 02:51:00 - [137] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Dragerest so let me get this right. D2 is in a BoB thread about the goons who are living in RA space who are friends with AAA who are fighting AXE who are friends with ASCN who in turn are fighting BOB who said goon would never own space which in turn goons own a station or two which again turns around and is said Bob will been taken away when goons have something to take away in which doesn't concern D2 at all. is that all? Actually, the thread has morphed into quite an interesting discussion about how the universe is shaping up post-kali.... but I guess that went straight over your head..... or perhaps.... it didn't... ssshhh the plan was working... For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2006.12.08 04:49:00 - [138] Edited by: Tetsujin on 08/12/2006 04:49:22 Originally by: Halca Hold on to the entire north after incursions by TCF, Goonswarm. -Halca out ^.^ Just throwing this in to keep you on the right page Halca. Goonswarm invaded a very specific system at the very bottom of the northwest territories. D2 got involved shortly after and their victory was purely financial as it became a war of economic attrition, not combat. It is not medal-worthy. ty - Cortes
Sacul Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2006.12.08 05:52:00 - [139] As allways e-peen waving has taught ppl that it just makes u a bigger target so go underground and grow/learn. There are a lot of med sized alliances that do excellent and some large ones that could-in potential- rival the "known" ones, they just choose to not thrumph any kind of horn. I agree with Nez that Revelations/Kali will change a fair bit for those mentioned. The cost efficiency factor of the new bc alone could tilt many a battle scene. I must take this opportunity to damn Mindless for schooling me so good -and im a bad bad student i know- i have lost over a mil sp in the last 2 years cause i fly without imps mostly, makes me not care for being podded dammnit. And also come visit the new regions more often ppl its so empty out there even in the sov claimed systems.. And remember my corp ticker is Wr3ck so im in ur Kali!
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.08 06:41:00 - [140] Originally by: Mindlles Originally by: Orree As for logging to save pods...as I've seen some of your guys do it (noteably those who apparently have snake implant sets), I don't think I'd really be bringing that up a a negative for The North and a plus for you. Everyone has their losers (or meta-gamers, if that's what the hip term is these days). See ya out there. Nice post, But if u ever have a toxin player logg to save his pod, Or use logg off tactic u can contact marko or anny other off the leadership in Outbreak and that member will get solved with. As really not take lightley with logging to save annything. So i do really think u are misstaking, But if i am. Plz contact Marko and he will sort that out in his way. HF =) I don't think I am mistaking, but then again, I'm not really interested in pursuing it in this or any other forum. Therefore, I'll just STFU about it. Frankly, I would never have mentioned it is Marko hadn't specifically called us out for it like we condone it. We do not. I guess I can't speak for everyone who lives up here, but i'm not affiliated with any organizations that condone or advocate logging to save pods or anything else. I have nothing but respect for Outbreak, tbh. I think they are nails and fighting them is fun except for the ludicrous speed sabres and vagas...heheh. There's usually very little smack coming from them and it's refreshing. The fights are almost always good.

Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.08 07:05:00 - [141] Podlogging - It's an available game feature. If everybody else can do it, why punish yourself by not doing it. The only reason not to is your own sense of honour. I choose not to podlog, but that's my choice. The sooner CCP kill the issue the better, but until then I'm not going to tell my guys they can't podlog, when the whole rest of Eve can, will and does do it. The north - Is led by sensible people, because it's led by sensible people you won't see the fracturing that people are hoping for. The way Eve is intended to be played it's essential to further your interests with allies. Nobody in the north is going to cut their nose off to spite their face. There won't be any fracturing unless severe pressure is applied, and because there won't be any fracturing, it'll be very difficult for severe pressure to be applied. 0utbreak - Very good players, but I find it hard to give respect to people who's main activity is camping M-0 with scouts. If someone annoys me, then I want to go blow their stuff up, 0utbreak don't have any stuff to blow up, and the only way to hit them is to bust their gatecamps, which they have well scouted. Bring anything that can pop the lot of them and they'll leave M-0. I can't fault them on that, they camp M-0 extremely well, very precise. And unlike other pirate/killboard corps they'll come and have a proper fight from time to time. But I have more respect for people like BoB, who are arguably as good fighters (I don't know enough to say who is better) but have big lights on the map that if you feel like it, you can go attack. It's very frustrating with 0utbreak because there's nothing to attack. They're sort of playing half of Eve - but credit where credit is due, they play it extremely well. The only time I've tried to bust their camp they pwned us, completely and absolutely.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.08 07:32:00 - [142] Edited by: Stamm on 08/12/2006 07:34:12 Originally by: Fred0 Sometimes BOB deserves credit and this is one of those times. They've taken one region from ASCN and from the looks of things they are making inroads into ASCN heartland. To say that ASCN was not a powerhouse before they got this on their hand is wrong. They were in many peoples eyes considered the one entity who could stand up to BOB. For me it's utter disbelief what's going on with ASCN and BoB. It'd be all to easy to say it was simply BoB's board propaganda, but it's echoed ingame. ASCN seem completely unable to cope with BoB, and I don't know about everybody else, but it's extremely surprising to me anyway. ASCN are not fools, they must have had plans on how to try to deal with BoB. And no matter what the accusations about ASCN being carebears, half of them being freeloaders etc, they have to have at least a reasonable percentage of the talent in the game. ASCN built a pack of outposts, it's well known how well they seeded their regions markets with not just T1 but T2. In some cases it was better to shop in Feythabolis than Empire. From my own point of view, I have some part in leading RULE, and I'm trying to work out what BoB are doing to get things right, and what ASCN are doing to get things wrong. I have some ideas, some hunches and some things that have been proven as facts, but I am in no way in possession of enough information to emulate the good bits of BoB and the bad bits of ASCN. A lot of what BoB achieves is because success attracts success. Loads of good Eve players are attracted to BoB because there's loads of good Eve players there. And for ASCN I think everybody will conceed that it was a known thing that there were a number of people in the alliance that were there to get 0.0 access, rat and mine, but weren't interested in really defending the space. Let's not forget ASCN's campaign against Tribal Souls. A day before it I'd left Black Lance to join GALAX, which had already agreed that Tribal Souls wasn't the place for them. I went down to Paragon Soul anyway - I'd always wanted to rat against proper Amarr enemies. ASCN were efficient and lethal in their campaign. Sure Tribal Souls was already a part defeated entity, and there really wasn't any realistic chance of beating off ASCN, but ASCN were not in any way inept at what they did. So again being so outclassed by BoB is a shock. In any case I think anybody denying that ASCN were thought to be the major powerhouse in Eve is forgetting what was taken for granted as little as a couple of months ago. I just hope I can glean enough information from BoB smack and propaganda to try and find what they're doing right, and enough from ASCN's denial and resolute resistance to find out where they went wrong. Edit : Oops, thought I was posting in two different threads. Buckfast 4tl :P
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.08 08:32:00 - [143] Originally by: Stamm From my own point of view, I have some part in leading RULE, and I'm trying to work out what BoB are doing to get things right, and what ASCN are doing to get things wrong. Thats so cool, that you said that... I hope all persons within alliances, be they small to medium size or large, are taking a damn good look at what is happening in BoB vs ASCN and figuring how to improve their own entities. Something went horribly wrong with ASCN..... I have my own ideas as to what happened and I'm willing to bet good money as to what the key issues were. Perhaps, when the war is over... there could be a thread stating the reasons for the perfomance of both parties throughout the war, where posters could throw in their two isk. The better the smaller and medium sized alliances become at dealing with the realities of EVE.. the more fun this game will become, there is nothing more exciting than unpredictability.... and thats where the future lies imo, highly efficient medium sized alliances that carry a blistering punch. With Kali, I truley hope that the age of the "I don't carebear" in 0.0 is over for once and for good.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.12.08 08:36:00 - [144] Originally by: Vrizuh Note to self: Fly more Blackbirds That's a great comment hehe ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.12.08 11:36:00 - [145] Originally by: Stamm From my own point of view, I have some part in leading RULE, and I'm trying to work out what BoB are doing to get things right, and what ASCN are doing to get things wrong. I have some ideas, some hunches and some things that have been proven as facts, but I am in no way in possession of enough information to emulate the good bits of BoB and the bad bits of ASCN. Attitude and Spirit is what BoB has that ASCN doesn't. There are a lot of people in Eve who only look after themselves. If their alliance is getting stomped, they will simply leave the alliance and move to another more profitable one. ASCN has always had a reputation as being a very rich carebearish alliance, and attracted a lot of care bears who wanted to mine and rat the good stuff but have no loyalty to their alliance above and beyond that. I seriously believe that if everyone in ASCN were to stand firm against BoB with the right attitude and fighting spirit they could easily kick BoB back to empire, but instead the rats all jump ship the moment they are threatened putting ASCN in a much weaker position. Interestingly the Reds and the Swarm both have a lot more solidarity because of their out of game connections. A forum for the Goons and Nationality for the Russians. Both alliances have been in a state of constant war for as long as I am aware, and they are both used to fighting with the odds massively stacked against them. They bend under pressure but do not break, it would be almost impossible to splinter them. It will be very interesting to see those two powers collide. BoB vs the North would be a massacre, I am just not sure which side would be the one being massacred. Everyone in the North appears to be allied at the moment, but their alliance has never been tested with a large scale invasion. Like ASCN I expect they all have a large number of care bears within, and I a lot of the ASCN defectors probabaly went straight up there. If the North works together and supports each other well, they could easily repel a BoB assault. If they fall into infighting and lose co-ordination, then I think BoB could steamroll through. BoB vs LV. From what LV have been posting recently, I don't think a BoB invasion would even be propaganda thread worthy.
whisk 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.08 11:46:00 - [146] Edited by: whisk on 08/12/2006 11:46:51 Originally by: Orree I don't think I am mistaking, PM me names, i'll look into it. People who log out to save their ships/pods have no place in outbreak.
Torquemanda Corteaz Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.08 13:47:00 - [147] goons goons goons bob bob bob ra ra ra ascn ascn ascn... d2? this thread and my hangover makes my head hurt
Esaam DeVries Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:00:00 - [148] Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz goons goons goons bob bob bob ra ra ra ascn ascn ascn... d2? this thread and my hangover makes my head hurt You forgot Outbreak. -- TRUST Shop : from T2 to Captital ship(yard)s. Shop smart, shop T-shop.
Tibor Ferenc Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.08 22:22:00 - [149] Hmmm looks like The Enslaver beat molle to it
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.09 00:26:00 - [150] Originally by: Tibor Ferenc Hmmm looks like The Enslaver beat molle to it looks like enslaver had baked beans for dinner



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