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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:25:48 -
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The Role Playing aspects of this MMORPG need to be reinstated and emphasised at some point during the NPE, and reinforced to existing players. Perhaps via Scope news broadcasts, perhaps at a ground level.
Piracy used to be a legit style of gameplay, now it's just 'griefing' and 'cyberbullying,' which needs to be corrected. Some corrections might come from CCP but the playerbase have also adopted that tear collector mantle rather than the 'yarr' mentality (which was actually quite funny). Ransoming is pretty much dead because people would rather have the QQ and the KM than have some fun with another player willing to engage in it. They should want to engage in it, not be convinced there's no hono(u)r left here.
To be fair, a lot of this has to do with farmers being outraged that their space chariot can be shot, which is also completely daft. Code are doing a good job reminding the highsec zombies that they aren't playing a solo game and there is risk everywhere, but they're being a bit cackhanded about it and this disconnect in perceptions isn't entirely the fault of the people whinging. There aren't that many hono(u)rable space pirates left doing it for a laugh, or even for the ISK. Some of you are literally tear-farming smackmonkeys any normal human would chin IRL.
It's mean spirited. There's no fun for people being ganked by a dozen people who do it fulltime, then gangbanged in local/on forums by dozens of hardened trolls who really do want to wind that person up to an abnormal degree. Fair play if you can encourage them to get a combat ship and fight back, but actually, that'd be suicide (plus more jeering). So put the fun back in.
It's not cyberbullying, but it's not particularly fun gameplay either. Unless you're a knobhead.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
760
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Posted - 2015.09.18 03:55:41 -
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WTF did I just read?
F this, time to grab a Hecate and go do some mission flipping. |
Jeven HouseBenyo
Baron and Serpent Productions
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Posted - 2015.09.20 22:42:12 -
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Bullying and griefing. Seriously, this is not the place to whine about CODE. There are plenty of other places to do that.
What IS missing from the whole hyped NPE is explaining how rough things can easily get once you undock. Beyond the pat phrasing, Eve is a cold cruel place that yadda yadda blargh, other than in one (maybe two?) career missions that require a ship loss, ganking is glossed over.
Perhaps if that lesson was put in place early and relatively often in that first 30 days, awareness would stand a chance of kicking in and you'd better watch your local, overview, and d-scan. If I wanted a completely safe game to play, I'd be feeding a NeoPet! But we've got to face the technicolor writing on the wall. Many new players are not rough and tumble MMO players, especially in today's special snowflake culture. If they don't grasp ganks happen, is that their fault alone?
Or are the lessons to be learned not even on the table outside those advertisement 15 second blerbs of 'we is adult MMO, no kiddie pool level for yuuu!'
And no, ever-ganking them in 1.0 systems is not the way to teach. That's a good way to make sure we don't keep them around past that 30 days, and there's one less contributor to all of New Eden. No bubble wrapping R00kies, but perhaps a better and longer intro to the daily insanity that is Eve?
>Jeven
Minny boat flyer, when all else doesn't work, smack the control panel.
Snark at 11 24/7/365.25.
You're not rid of me yet..... Erzulie help you.
No you can't has my stuffs!
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Auduin Samson
Do not disturb
Sanctuary Pact
325
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Posted - 2015.09.27 08:52:27 -
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I didn't even have to look to know it was Hello Kitty. We need a new example of ****-tier carebear gaming. |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2015.09.28 23:41:02 -
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Computers have an off button. Games have a log out button. With the ability to remove yourself almost immediately from undesired situations I find the OP's argument null and void.
IRL most states that don't have a "make my day" law but still allow you to defend yourself in your house from an intruder, you had damn well better make sure you leave them an out and that they are for sure threatening your life or the lives of others in your house. If not you're in trouble if you shoot them. Doesn't matter that they're in your house at 3 AM and you've no clue who they are or what they want. With that kind of social thinking I find labeling cyber bullying in a MMORPG sandbox game quite laughable. Although I shouldn't be surprised due to the lack of critical thinking and common sense we see in today's society. Welcome to that club.
Please grow a pair. |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.09.30 07:25:23 -
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Harrigan VonStudly wrote:Computers have an off button. Games have a log out button. With the ability to remove yourself almost immediately from undesired situations I find the OP's argument null and void.
IRL most states that don't have a "make my day" law but still allow you to defend yourself in your house from an intruder, you had damn well better make sure you leave them an out and that they are for sure threatening your life or the lives of others in your house. If not you're in trouble if you shoot them. Doesn't matter that they're in your house at 3 AM and you've no clue who they are or what they want. With that kind of social thinking I find labeling cyber bullying in a MMORPG sandbox game quite laughable. Although I shouldn't be surprised due to the lack of critical thinking and common sense we see in today's society. Welcome to that club.
Please grow a pair.
Relevant
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
674
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Posted - 2015.09.30 15:46:43 -
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Seeing how it keeps being popped up, and I am looking to be more directly involved with CSM, this seems like a good point to start.
The concept of Cyberbullying in Eve? You are correct. It is a problem in eve and the EULA is such that anything that can be deemed bullying is a support ticket petitionable event.
It is important that we differentiate between what is bullying, and what is part of eve gameplay. Lets start with your example of ganking and new player war declarations.
These themselves are not an example of Cyberbullying. Reason is that is is only a part of the gameplay environment. The reason it is so psychologically affecting of players is that people come in with an incorrect mindset. The image presented for Eve Online is much different than what actually exists. Those that come in without prior contact with players are imagining this free flying space game of mining and industry with dreams of seeing these big fights.
The ganking, and survival of the weak is a part of the game. They just aren't in that mental state. Would be like being dropped into a war zone expecting an all inclusive resort. That isn't bullying, just false representation.
Personal attacks, targeted and prolonged harassment, bringing things out of game, that is cyber bullying and has been repeatedly over the years brought up and enforced by CCP.
So the OP actually is a valid concern. It is a psychological effect on a player. New game high, psyched up and if they are an immersive player, it is a psychological shock even though it is a game. People take gaming seriously. So when suddenly this initial image of eve is shattered, they wonder WTF? Even the elites of eve get passionate about it. If you didn't, you wouldn't even care about the forums except for proposed changes.
The issue is mental preparation for what eve actually is. If they know they can get ganked, and it is probable. Then they will not have that shock.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
3386
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Posted - 2015.09.30 18:06:16 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Personal attacks, targeted and prolonged harassment, bringing things out of game, that is cyber bullying and has been repeatedly over the years brought up and enforced by CCP.
So the OP actually is a valid concern. It is a psychological effect on a player.
People should learn to killfile. I'll never be the victim of online bullying because my first response to someone trying would be right click > block.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
674
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Posted - 2015.09.30 20:50:27 -
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admiral root wrote:
People should learn to killfile. I'll never be the victim of online bullying because my first response to someone trying would be right click > block.
Stress and depression is never logical. Which is why information is important.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1690
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Posted - 2015.09.30 22:08:36 -
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Markus Reese wrote:The ganking, and survival of the weak is a part of the game. They just aren't in that mental state. Would be like being dropped into a war zone expecting an all inclusive resort. That isn't bullying, just false representation. Indeed. Much of the hand-wringing on these forums come from people who clearly have no clue, or at least are unable to accept, what kind of game this is. The New Pilot FAQ makes it crystal clear that Eve is a full-time, PvP sandbox game where there is no safe place. Yet, there is a whole cohort of players that don't seem to know this. Is this a language issue? Or do many players just not understand what a PvP sandbox is? Because clearly, many players need to have their expectations adjusted to what type of gameplay to expect in Eve Online.
Perhaps CCP could make this clearer in their advertising and during the NPE. But all-in-all, I do not think I can blame CCP for "false representation" though. If players do not take the time to do the most basic research on the game, and read the New Pilot FAQ, then they have no-one to blame but themselves when a months worth of their work explodes in a glorious fireball. Eve is not an unknown quantity or new game on the block. There are 12 years worth of reviews and commentary on the game out there on the Internet.
The best we can do as veteran players is explode new players early and often. Teach them that ships are meant to be lost, and help them with advice and ISK to get better at the game. Teach them that it is not "cyberbullying" to take someone's assets or shoot them in this game which is pretty much requires people to shoot each other and take each other's stuff to function as a universe with a player-driven economy. Instill the fading HTFU culture in them to the point that they too laugh at attempts (like this thread) to meta-game their in-game opponents away by claiming "cyberbullying". |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
14597
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Posted - 2015.10.04 01:52:23 -
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Don't mind me, just popping in to laugh at this thread some more. If there's a better example of first world problems, I haven't found it yet.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Mag's
the united
20365
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Posted - 2015.10.04 08:23:02 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Don't mind me, just popping in to laugh at this thread some more. If there's a better example of first world problems, I haven't found it yet. "Mum he's bullying me, he just sunk my Battleship!!!"
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Orob Ninebands
Sauntering Racoons
Clueless Space Nerds Podcast
48
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Posted - 2015.10.15 01:22:21 -
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I'm going to have to disagree with OP.
I'm against cyberbullying, but ganking does not fit the definintion of cyberbullying. Losing spaceships in a spaceship combat game is not bullying.
Stretching the definition of cyberbullying so far out of whack so that you can squeeze hi-sec ganking in EVE into it does nothing but cast a shadow of ridiculousness over the subject and cause harm to the effort to fight cyberbullying. Please don't take a serious issue like this and turn it into a laughing stock by misapplying the label to things that should not have such a label attached.
Do some research on actual cyberbullying cases and see for yourself how ridiculous it is that you would even attempt to categorize hi-sec ganking as cyberbullying. |
Orob Ninebands
Sauntering Racoons
Clueless Space Nerds Podcast
48
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Posted - 2015.10.15 01:26:57 -
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Mudekii wrote:He is correct it is considered cyber bullying and the fact that Code is loosely based on a fanatical religious cult is another good reason they should be dealt with, but again you all are taking shots at him even the CSM who are supposed to be held to a higher standard are trolling him when this is not only a serious legal issue but also one that the CSM should be looking at seriously not condoning it.
Dude.... WHAT? You are ridiculous.
I don't think in any court in the USA anyone is going to penalize someone for ganking ships in EVE. Get freaking serious. You would never even make it to court. The prosecuting attorney would likely laugh in your face.
Learn what actual bullying is and shut your hole. |
Iain Cariaba
1890
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Posted - 2015.10.15 02:06:43 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:I'm going to have to disagree with OP.
I'm against cyberbullying, but ganking does not fit the definintion of cyberbullying. Losing spaceships in a spaceship combat game is not bullying.
Stretching the definition of cyberbullying so far out of whack so that you can squeeze hi-sec ganking in EVE into it does nothing but cast a shadow of ridiculousness over the subject and cause harm to the effort to fight cyberbullying. Please don't take a serious issue like this and turn it into a laughing stock by misapplying the label to things that should not have such a label attached.
Do some research on actual cyberbullying cases and see for yourself how ridiculous it is that you would even attempt to categorize hi-sec ganking as cyberbullying.
This.
Seriously, if you're feeling hurt over losing a ship in a video game, you need to turn off the game and get a grip on reality.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8898
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Posted - 2015.10.26 21:43:49 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:
Learn what actual bullying is and shut your hole.
That sounds awfully like bullying, tbh
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Xenuria
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1024
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Posted - 2015.11.06 09:26:51 -
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The thing about chode is that they are easy prey if you shoot back at them.
CSM 11 Candidate
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
376
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Posted - 2015.11.06 15:52:27 -
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Xenuria wrote:The thing about chode is that they are easy prey if you shoot back at them.
Not sure if this is about forum bullying, but your CSM XI campaign thread is locked Xenuria 
source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=414278&find=unread
Regards, a Freelancer
The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
205
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Posted - 2015.11.09 01:31:33 -
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Alright. Since this Post has seen the Good graces of the CSM, and they have put there input into it, and regarding CCP's View in CCP Falcons Post here, I will go ahead and lock this to avoid any further issues.
~ISD Buldath
Interstellar Services Department
Support, Training and Resources Division
Lt. Commander
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