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Hirl
Shivan Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.27 01:15:57 -
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Dear Council of Stellar Management,
Though I voted for some of you, but not all of you, or atleast I don't remember who I voted for anymore, I would like to bring this up to your attention so you may work with the developers on this.
Cyber bullying is happening here in this community every day, and there has been a few posts that talked about it here and there. But no action has been made. Maybe nobody knows what exactly Cyberbullying is, so here is a definition:
Quote:Cyberbullying is bullying that takes place using electronic technology. Electronic technology includes devices and equipment such as cell phones, computers, and tablets as well as communication tools including social media sites, text messages, chat, and websites.
Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/what-is-it/index.html
What are the effects of bullying?
Quote:Bullying can affect everyoneGÇöthose who are bullied, those who bully, and those who witness bullying. Bullying is linked to many negative outcomes including impacts on mental health, substance use, and suicide.
Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/at-risk/effects/index.html
One of the biggest examples of Cyber bullying is the advertisement of it through social media and spreading it in the community through normal means (bios, chat rooms, forums, and etc...). An example of that is CODE.
Another is suicide ganks, as it specifically targets the weak (mostly unarmed), it is intentional, with the whole purpose of nothing but to bully the weaker player for their own personal enjoyment. And what comes after the gank is typically taunts and trolling. And there is no consequences for the bully, only the victim is penalized (losing a frigate by CONCORD isn't a huge consequence compare to the losses of the victim).
I do not expect players to play "nice" as that would be unrealistic as that would be like asking people to not troll this post. However, the CSM and Developers has a strong influence in this game, and with appropriate action could levitate much of the bullying going on around here and make the game enjoyable for everyone. Therefore I ask the CSM to look into this matter and hopefully come up with a solution, preferably something better than Mittani's statements back in 2012. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3632
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Posted - 2015.07.27 01:38:30 -
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Please go away.
Actually, better yet, post your lossmail and we can probably tell you how to not get ganked next time. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
CODE.
13823
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Posted - 2015.07.27 02:01:52 -
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I respond thusly.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
245
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Posted - 2015.07.27 03:29:43 -
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Purchase a permit from your nearest agent and you won't be bullied. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1272
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Posted - 2015.07.27 05:36:00 -
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I respectfully suggest the OP might be playing the wrong game. Eve Online is a competitive PvP sandbox universe based on the constant destruction of player-built assets. Suicide ganking has been confirmed by CCP as an intended mechanic many times and it facilitates the destruction cycle. The game has explicitly been designed so your stuff is never 100% safe even in highsec.
As for other player behaviour, that is not a CSM matter. If you think someone is "cyberbullying" you, you should take that to your local law enforcement. Also, the EULA is crystal clear that real-life harassment and personal insults are not allowed, so you should make a petition to CCP if you experience that and they take that very seriously.
Regardless of your feelings on the matter, this view that ganking is bullying ( http://gankingisbullying.blogspot.com ) is plain wrong and devalues these terms and the experiences of real victims of cyberbullying. If you do not like Eve or the other players in it, I suggest you find a passtime more compatible with your sensibilities. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
8394
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Posted - 2015.07.27 05:48:39 -
[6] - Quote
Counter-argument: You are playing a game set in a dystopian, hyper-capitalist society where almost every mechanic and playstyle is generally designed to "step on the toes" of others and cause conflict, chaos, warfare, and ego driven pissing contests.
Moreover... the lore is filled with prostitution, slavery, murder, mass murder, assassinations, torture, suicide, ransoming, blackmail, back-stabbing, corruption, genetic atrocities, cybernetic atrocities, deliberate man-made environmental catastrophes, poverty, starvation, human sacrifice, necro-resurrections, manic psychosis, sociopathy, and every other shade of grey between.
Seriously though...
CCP has stated that they take such things on a "case-by-case" basis. That "clear line" you are looking for will never be, nor can be, "clear" as any and all interaction between any two people is never "clear cut" from the start.
Some people are too sensitive.
Some people are too desensitized.
Everyone has a different range of things that will set them off.
And because of those things you can never scrub any interaction down to the point where no one is offended. Someone always will be.
You, Mr. OP, are leaning too far towards the "too sensitive" range. I advise you to harden up a bit lest others start making demands on you offending/insulting/disregarding us and our playstyles.
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16763
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Posted - 2015.07.27 14:45:44 -
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On the street it is assault and robbery
On the pitch it is a brilliant play that wins the game.
If you don't want to be tackled, stay off the football pitch.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Mag's
the united
19909
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Posted - 2015.07.27 15:47:55 -
[8] - Quote
You're playing an RPGMMO that is known for it's extremely competitive sandbox nature. Either accept the game for what it is, or stop playing.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
Black Legion.
428
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:05:38 -
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Hirl wrote:Dear Council of Stellar Management, Though I voted for some of you, but not all of you, or atleast I don't remember who I voted for anymore, I would like to bring this up to your attention so you may work with the developers on this. Cyber bullying is happening here in this community every day, and there has been a few posts that talked about it here and there. But no action has been made. Maybe nobody knows what exactly Cyberbullying is, so here is a definition: Quote:Cyberbullying is bullying that takes place using electronic technology. Electronic technology includes devices and equipment such as cell phones, computers, and tablets as well as communication tools including social media sites, text messages, chat, and websites. Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/what-is-it/index.htmlWhat are the effects of bullying? Quote:Bullying can affect everyoneGÇöthose who are bullied, those who bully, and those who witness bullying. Bullying is linked to many negative outcomes including impacts on mental health, substance use, and suicide. Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/at-risk/effects/index.htmlOne of the biggest examples of Cyber bullying is the advertisement of it through social media and spreading it in the community through normal means (bios, chat rooms, forums, and etc...). An example of that is CODE. Another is suicide ganks, as it specifically targets the weak (mostly unarmed), it is intentional, with the whole purpose of nothing but to bully the weaker player for their own personal enjoyment. And what comes after the gank is typically taunts and trolling. And there is no consequences for the bully, only the victim is penalized (losing a frigate by CONCORD isn't a huge consequence compare to the losses of the victim). I do not expect players to play "nice" as that would be unrealistic as that would be like asking people to not troll this post. However, the CSM and Developers has a strong influence in this game, and with appropriate action could levitate much of the bullying going on around here and make the game enjoyable for everyone. Therefore I ask the CSM to look into this matter and hopefully come up with a solution, preferably something better than Mittani's statements back in 2012.
HAHAHAHA, you really did not read the warning on the box did you....
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5465
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:46:59 -
[10] - Quote
Hi!
I'm afraid you're not going to be particularly persuasive with the two examples you've given.
Now, if there was an out of game event aspect to this (inappropriate taunts in channels, evemails, the forum), then you'd be covered by the EULA, could report them to a GM, and have action taken. But someone blowing up your ship is, in no way, cyber bullying.
As Malcanis pointed out, it's entirely within the rules of the game.
Would you complain is someone killed you in a multiplayer first person shooter?
Aside from that:
I'm now thinking this is a troll. What with your corporation description of 'Prepare to die.'
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Lykouleon
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
1615
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Posted - 2015.07.29 00:13:41 -
[11] - Quote
Here is a game more geared to your interests.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2903
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Posted - 2015.07.29 01:25:46 -
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No.
Dealing with assholes is a part of playing on the internet. You are not being bullied unless . . . well, do your research. There ARE lines but code is well aware of them and walk up to but seldom cross.
I take your pawn in chess, was it theft?
I trump your ace in euchre, was it nastiness?
I beat you three times at checkers, sign of an abusive relationship?
My daughter takes you uout in the first round of kumite, should she be locked away for violent behaviours?
no
pvp happens. You are not being bullied. But you are being laughed at by some of the above folks and you ARE giving code exactly what they want to the point that I suspect you may be a code member sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv.
THAT made me laugh
m
Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯|(pâä)/¯
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
1420
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Posted - 2015.07.29 05:51:35 -
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Calling the exploding of spaceships in a game cyberbullying just to push your agenda for a safer highsec is disgusting and you know it! You should be ashamed! Stuff like this just dilutes the term and makes it even more difficult for the person who is an actual target of cyberbullying in the real world.
This topic should be locked, it is based on a obvious lie to push the OPs agenda.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Iain Cariaba
1729
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:04:55 -
[14] - Quote
OP, the simple fact that you let someone hurt your feelings over a video game demonstrates a lack of sufficient emotional maturity to play an adult video game. Please go back to Hello Kitty Online, Wizardry 101, or whatever other carebear theme park you arrived here from, and let the adults play their game.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Will troll for a t-shirt.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2898
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Posted - 2015.08.01 13:51:14 -
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Mag's wrote:Either accept the game for what it is, or stop playing.
I dunno, man, telling me to make a choice comes pretty close to cyber-bullying me. It's a slippery slope that ends up with me being entirely to blame if I fail-fit my ship, should I decide to keep playing. Hang on, you're one of that personal responsibility rabble, aren't you? CCP, please stop him posting - it's a form of enhanced interrogation when he keeps doing that.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2898
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Posted - 2015.08.01 13:52:42 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv.
Whilst I agreed with the bulk of your post, this is just silly and I would have thought you could do better.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Im Barassi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:10:14 -
[17] - Quote
OP I suggest reading all of CCP_Falcon's posts in the linked thread.
Ganking in hi sec is an absolutely intended and allowed part of the game. It is not bullying.
Posting screenshots on a public web page, of in game mail and private chat including in game identities, with or without the intent of belittling or antagonising might walk closer to the line. However as long as it stays in character it won't be seen by CCP as bullying or RL griefing. |
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2908
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Posted - 2015.08.02 04:08:42 -
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admiral root wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv. Whilst I agreed with the bulk of your post, this is just silly and I would have thought you could do better.
I been tired, of late . . . I will work harder
m
Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯|(pâä)/¯
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Anduin Spartan
Quam Singulari
Triumvirate.
1
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Posted - 2015.08.17 18:14:22 -
[19] - Quote
This is Internet Spaceships. You're gonna get bullied, called names in locals and blown up on reddit if your loss was expensive. That's the way it is and it will never change. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6516
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Posted - 2015.08.19 23:48:09 -
[20] - Quote
OP's posts are cyberbullying the entire EVE community. Ban OP.
This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
406
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Posted - 2015.08.21 03:59:44 -
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little kid visit his dad, hey dad may i go outside ? sure, but just be carefull son, there are strangers on the street and i'm not always arround. |
Valkin Mordirc
1415
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:40:20 -
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I always hated these kind of people that say we have to stop bullying.
Honestly you never going to stop bullying from happening.
It's by far, more effective to teach somebody to stand up for themselves. Then it is to put a temporary stop to one bully. Because if you stop some from bullying a 'victim'. You may stop that one bully. But down the road your not going to be there to stop the "******* Boss" or the "Prick of a Co-Worker".
If you teach them to stand up to a bully. They can handle their own **** down the road. When your not there to do it for them.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Ben Fenix
Net Neutrality
17
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Posted - 2015.08.27 17:12:07 -
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First LOL.
This is hilarious but valid. Eve online is technically illegal in many USA states because of new anti cyber bully laws.
LOL again.
Capital Ships Matter !
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Max Fubarticus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.08.30 17:10:34 -
[24] - Quote
Ben Fenix wrote:First LOL.
This is hilarious but valid. Eve online is technically illegal in many USA states because of new anti cyber bully laws.
LOL again.
And they can have my Eve, when they pry my keyboard from my cold, dead hands
Quote: sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv.
Not that hard to ignore insignificance. It just comes natural. No really! |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
3252
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Posted - 2015.09.01 08:53:23 -
[25] - Quote
Max Fubarticus wrote:Not that hard to ignore insignificance. It just comes natural. No really!
Said the NPC.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Mudekii
Kaishin.
0
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Posted - 2015.09.02 07:35:10 -
[26] - Quote
He is correct it is considered cyber bullying and the fact that Code is loosely based on a fanatical religious cult is another good reason they should be dealt with, but again you all are taking shots at him even the CSM who are supposed to be held to a higher standard are trolling him when this is not only a serious legal issue but also one that the CSM should be looking at seriously not condoning it. |
Mudekii
Kaishin.
0
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Posted - 2015.09.02 07:36:46 -
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Ben Fenix wrote:First LOL.
This is hilarious but valid. Eve online is technically illegal in many USA states because of new anti cyber bully laws.
LOL again.
yea funny how in the EULA it does state that you are not allowed to do anything that is against the EULA or any governments laws but yet is still allowed to happen |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1526
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Posted - 2015.09.02 12:00:06 -
[28] - Quote
Mudekii wrote:He is correct it is considered cyber bullying and the fact that Code is loosely based on a fanatical religious cult is another good reason they should be dealt with, but again you all are taking shots at him even the CSM who are supposed to be held to a higher standard are trolling him when this is not only a serious legal issue but also one that the CSM should be looking at seriously not condoning it. Of course it is not cyber bullying by any legal definition.
Go talk to any lawyer or police officer and ask them if you can be "cyber bullied" in an anonymous video game they voluntarily play. You'll be lucky of you are not laughed out of the office. Eve Online is not illegal anywhere (except China I guess hence the Serenity server) despite what these armchair legal experts want to claim.
You are an adult. If you do not like your online experience in Eve Online, you are always free to click the 'Close Application' button and never be bothered again.
This is unlike the real victims of bullying who cannot escape their tormentors, and are directly targeted as real-world people, not made-up space gods. Do not demean the suffering of these real-world victims because you don't like losing imaginary space pixels in a virtual universe.
If you think someone is not obeying the terms of service, bring it to the attention of CCP and they will deal with it. Otherwise, lay off the victimization and attempts to metagame your in-game opponents away. Running a space cult is perfectly legit in Eve as is running a space extortion racket. If you don't like that, exercise your free will and find another game that suits your tastes better.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
CODE.
14375
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Posted - 2015.09.03 13:47:14 -
[29] - Quote
Mudekii wrote:He is correct it is considered cyber bullying and the fact that Code is loosely based on a fanatical religious cult is another good reason they should be dealt with, but again you all are taking shots at him even the CSM who are supposed to be held to a higher standard are trolling him when this is not only a serious legal issue but also one that the CSM should be looking at seriously not condoning it.
Rofl.
Thanks, I had a bad day at work and I needed the laugh.
Wait, were you serious?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Valkin Mordirc
1476
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Posted - 2015.09.16 05:26:06 -
[30] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mudekii wrote:He is correct it is considered cyber bullying and the fact that Code is loosely based on a fanatical religious cult is another good reason they should be dealt with, but again you all are taking shots at him even the CSM who are supposed to be held to a higher standard are trolling him when this is not only a serious legal issue but also one that the CSM should be looking at seriously not condoning it. Rofl. Thanks, I had a bad day at work and I needed the laugh. Wait, were you serious?
Oi no wait.
If you could be considered a religion.
TAX BREAKS BRO.
Oh right the topic. I've already said my two cents but still I couldn't help it
#DeleteTheWeak
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Marsha Mallow
2510
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:25:48 -
[31] - Quote
The Role Playing aspects of this MMORPG need to be reinstated and emphasised at some point during the NPE, and reinforced to existing players. Perhaps via Scope news broadcasts, perhaps at a ground level.
Piracy used to be a legit style of gameplay, now it's just 'griefing' and 'cyberbullying,' which needs to be corrected. Some corrections might come from CCP but the playerbase have also adopted that tear collector mantle rather than the 'yarr' mentality (which was actually quite funny). Ransoming is pretty much dead because people would rather have the QQ and the KM than have some fun with another player willing to engage in it. They should want to engage in it, not be convinced there's no hono(u)r left here.
To be fair, a lot of this has to do with farmers being outraged that their space chariot can be shot, which is also completely daft. Code are doing a good job reminding the highsec zombies that they aren't playing a solo game and there is risk everywhere, but they're being a bit cackhanded about it and this disconnect in perceptions isn't entirely the fault of the people whinging. There aren't that many hono(u)rable space pirates left doing it for a laugh, or even for the ISK. Some of you are literally tear-farming smackmonkeys any normal human would chin IRL.
It's mean spirited. There's no fun for people being ganked by a dozen people who do it fulltime, then gangbanged in local/on forums by dozens of hardened trolls who really do want to wind that person up to an abnormal degree. Fair play if you can encourage them to get a combat ship and fight back, but actually, that'd be suicide (plus more jeering). So put the fun back in.
It's not cyberbullying, but it's not particularly fun gameplay either. Unless you're a knobhead.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
760
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Posted - 2015.09.18 03:55:41 -
[32] - Quote
WTF did I just read?
F this, time to grab a Hecate and go do some mission flipping. |
Jeven HouseBenyo
Baron and Serpent Productions
216
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Posted - 2015.09.20 22:42:12 -
[33] - Quote
Bullying and griefing. Seriously, this is not the place to whine about CODE. There are plenty of other places to do that.
What IS missing from the whole hyped NPE is explaining how rough things can easily get once you undock. Beyond the pat phrasing, Eve is a cold cruel place that yadda yadda blargh, other than in one (maybe two?) career missions that require a ship loss, ganking is glossed over.
Perhaps if that lesson was put in place early and relatively often in that first 30 days, awareness would stand a chance of kicking in and you'd better watch your local, overview, and d-scan. If I wanted a completely safe game to play, I'd be feeding a NeoPet! But we've got to face the technicolor writing on the wall. Many new players are not rough and tumble MMO players, especially in today's special snowflake culture. If they don't grasp ganks happen, is that their fault alone?
Or are the lessons to be learned not even on the table outside those advertisement 15 second blerbs of 'we is adult MMO, no kiddie pool level for yuuu!'
And no, ever-ganking them in 1.0 systems is not the way to teach. That's a good way to make sure we don't keep them around past that 30 days, and there's one less contributor to all of New Eden. No bubble wrapping R00kies, but perhaps a better and longer intro to the daily insanity that is Eve?
>Jeven
Minny boat flyer, when all else doesn't work, smack the control panel.
Snark at 11 24/7/365.25.
You're not rid of me yet..... Erzulie help you.
No you can't has my stuffs!
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Auduin Samson
Do not disturb
Sanctuary Pact
325
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Posted - 2015.09.27 08:52:27 -
[34] - Quote
I didn't even have to look to know it was Hello Kitty. We need a new example of ****-tier carebear gaming. |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Bastards
The Bastards.
111
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Posted - 2015.09.28 23:41:02 -
[35] - Quote
Computers have an off button. Games have a log out button. With the ability to remove yourself almost immediately from undesired situations I find the OP's argument null and void.
IRL most states that don't have a "make my day" law but still allow you to defend yourself in your house from an intruder, you had damn well better make sure you leave them an out and that they are for sure threatening your life or the lives of others in your house. If not you're in trouble if you shoot them. Doesn't matter that they're in your house at 3 AM and you've no clue who they are or what they want. With that kind of social thinking I find labeling cyber bullying in a MMORPG sandbox game quite laughable. Although I shouldn't be surprised due to the lack of critical thinking and common sense we see in today's society. Welcome to that club.
Please grow a pair. |
Iain Cariaba
1847
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Posted - 2015.09.30 07:25:23 -
[36] - Quote
Harrigan VonStudly wrote:Computers have an off button. Games have a log out button. With the ability to remove yourself almost immediately from undesired situations I find the OP's argument null and void.
IRL most states that don't have a "make my day" law but still allow you to defend yourself in your house from an intruder, you had damn well better make sure you leave them an out and that they are for sure threatening your life or the lives of others in your house. If not you're in trouble if you shoot them. Doesn't matter that they're in your house at 3 AM and you've no clue who they are or what they want. With that kind of social thinking I find labeling cyber bullying in a MMORPG sandbox game quite laughable. Although I shouldn't be surprised due to the lack of critical thinking and common sense we see in today's society. Welcome to that club.
Please grow a pair.
Relevant
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
674
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Posted - 2015.09.30 15:46:43 -
[37] - Quote
Seeing how it keeps being popped up, and I am looking to be more directly involved with CSM, this seems like a good point to start.
The concept of Cyberbullying in Eve? You are correct. It is a problem in eve and the EULA is such that anything that can be deemed bullying is a support ticket petitionable event.
It is important that we differentiate between what is bullying, and what is part of eve gameplay. Lets start with your example of ganking and new player war declarations.
These themselves are not an example of Cyberbullying. Reason is that is is only a part of the gameplay environment. The reason it is so psychologically affecting of players is that people come in with an incorrect mindset. The image presented for Eve Online is much different than what actually exists. Those that come in without prior contact with players are imagining this free flying space game of mining and industry with dreams of seeing these big fights.
The ganking, and survival of the weak is a part of the game. They just aren't in that mental state. Would be like being dropped into a war zone expecting an all inclusive resort. That isn't bullying, just false representation.
Personal attacks, targeted and prolonged harassment, bringing things out of game, that is cyber bullying and has been repeatedly over the years brought up and enforced by CCP.
So the OP actually is a valid concern. It is a psychological effect on a player. New game high, psyched up and if they are an immersive player, it is a psychological shock even though it is a game. People take gaming seriously. So when suddenly this initial image of eve is shattered, they wonder WTF? Even the elites of eve get passionate about it. If you didn't, you wouldn't even care about the forums except for proposed changes.
The issue is mental preparation for what eve actually is. If they know they can get ganked, and it is probable. Then they will not have that shock.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
3386
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Posted - 2015.09.30 18:06:16 -
[38] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Personal attacks, targeted and prolonged harassment, bringing things out of game, that is cyber bullying and has been repeatedly over the years brought up and enforced by CCP.
So the OP actually is a valid concern. It is a psychological effect on a player.
People should learn to killfile. I'll never be the victim of online bullying because my first response to someone trying would be right click > block.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
674
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Posted - 2015.09.30 20:50:27 -
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admiral root wrote:
People should learn to killfile. I'll never be the victim of online bullying because my first response to someone trying would be right click > block.
Stress and depression is never logical. Which is why information is important.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2015.09.30 22:08:36 -
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Markus Reese wrote:The ganking, and survival of the weak is a part of the game. They just aren't in that mental state. Would be like being dropped into a war zone expecting an all inclusive resort. That isn't bullying, just false representation. Indeed. Much of the hand-wringing on these forums come from people who clearly have no clue, or at least are unable to accept, what kind of game this is. The New Pilot FAQ makes it crystal clear that Eve is a full-time, PvP sandbox game where there is no safe place. Yet, there is a whole cohort of players that don't seem to know this. Is this a language issue? Or do many players just not understand what a PvP sandbox is? Because clearly, many players need to have their expectations adjusted to what type of gameplay to expect in Eve Online.
Perhaps CCP could make this clearer in their advertising and during the NPE. But all-in-all, I do not think I can blame CCP for "false representation" though. If players do not take the time to do the most basic research on the game, and read the New Pilot FAQ, then they have no-one to blame but themselves when a months worth of their work explodes in a glorious fireball. Eve is not an unknown quantity or new game on the block. There are 12 years worth of reviews and commentary on the game out there on the Internet.
The best we can do as veteran players is explode new players early and often. Teach them that ships are meant to be lost, and help them with advice and ISK to get better at the game. Teach them that it is not "cyberbullying" to take someone's assets or shoot them in this game which is pretty much requires people to shoot each other and take each other's stuff to function as a universe with a player-driven economy. Instill the fading HTFU culture in them to the point that they too laugh at attempts (like this thread) to meta-game their in-game opponents away by claiming "cyberbullying". |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.10.04 01:52:23 -
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Don't mind me, just popping in to laugh at this thread some more. If there's a better example of first world problems, I haven't found it yet.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.10.04 08:23:02 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Don't mind me, just popping in to laugh at this thread some more. If there's a better example of first world problems, I haven't found it yet. "Mum he's bullying me, he just sunk my Battleship!!!"
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Orob Ninebands
Sauntering Racoons
Clueless Space Nerds Podcast
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Posted - 2015.10.15 01:22:21 -
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I'm going to have to disagree with OP.
I'm against cyberbullying, but ganking does not fit the definintion of cyberbullying. Losing spaceships in a spaceship combat game is not bullying.
Stretching the definition of cyberbullying so far out of whack so that you can squeeze hi-sec ganking in EVE into it does nothing but cast a shadow of ridiculousness over the subject and cause harm to the effort to fight cyberbullying. Please don't take a serious issue like this and turn it into a laughing stock by misapplying the label to things that should not have such a label attached.
Do some research on actual cyberbullying cases and see for yourself how ridiculous it is that you would even attempt to categorize hi-sec ganking as cyberbullying. |
Orob Ninebands
Sauntering Racoons
Clueless Space Nerds Podcast
48
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Posted - 2015.10.15 01:26:57 -
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Mudekii wrote:He is correct it is considered cyber bullying and the fact that Code is loosely based on a fanatical religious cult is another good reason they should be dealt with, but again you all are taking shots at him even the CSM who are supposed to be held to a higher standard are trolling him when this is not only a serious legal issue but also one that the CSM should be looking at seriously not condoning it.
Dude.... WHAT? You are ridiculous.
I don't think in any court in the USA anyone is going to penalize someone for ganking ships in EVE. Get freaking serious. You would never even make it to court. The prosecuting attorney would likely laugh in your face.
Learn what actual bullying is and shut your hole. |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.10.15 02:06:43 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:I'm going to have to disagree with OP.
I'm against cyberbullying, but ganking does not fit the definintion of cyberbullying. Losing spaceships in a spaceship combat game is not bullying.
Stretching the definition of cyberbullying so far out of whack so that you can squeeze hi-sec ganking in EVE into it does nothing but cast a shadow of ridiculousness over the subject and cause harm to the effort to fight cyberbullying. Please don't take a serious issue like this and turn it into a laughing stock by misapplying the label to things that should not have such a label attached.
Do some research on actual cyberbullying cases and see for yourself how ridiculous it is that you would even attempt to categorize hi-sec ganking as cyberbullying.
This.
Seriously, if you're feeling hurt over losing a ship in a video game, you need to turn off the game and get a grip on reality.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8898
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Posted - 2015.10.26 21:43:49 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:
Learn what actual bullying is and shut your hole.
That sounds awfully like bullying, tbh
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Xenuria
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1024
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Posted - 2015.11.06 09:26:51 -
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The thing about chode is that they are easy prey if you shoot back at them.
CSM 11 Candidate
My Lore Predictions
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
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Posted - 2015.11.06 15:52:27 -
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Xenuria wrote:The thing about chode is that they are easy prey if you shoot back at them.
Not sure if this is about forum bullying, but your CSM XI campaign thread is locked Xenuria 
source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=414278&find=unread
Regards, a Freelancer
The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2015.11.09 01:31:33 -
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Alright. Since this Post has seen the Good graces of the CSM, and they have put there input into it, and regarding CCP's View in CCP Falcons Post here, I will go ahead and lock this to avoid any further issues.
~ISD Buldath
Interstellar Services Department
Support, Training and Resources Division
Lt. Commander
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