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Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2006.12.03 16:23:00 - [1] I' wondering this becuase I took my interceptor to drone space today, just to see if its fun.. Saw a few spawns. ect. few souls in local. Anyway, I saw wrecks on the gates of battle cruisers .. cruisers.. ceptors.. ect. And I checked them out, and most of them were full of weapons, ammo, modules. I think the best I foumd was a domination adaptive nano plating (which probably isn't worth much anyway) but if I sat around and looted it all, I could have probably made some iskies.. so, why arn't people looting these like they loot cans?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.03 16:24:00 - [2] People dont loot cans either... you make more money not looting them since its such a pain to wheel them in. But maybe longer range tractor beams are coming SoonÖ. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Kate Darieux	Posted - 2006.12.03 16:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Jim McGregor People dont loot cans either... you make more money not looting them since its such a pain to wheel them in. But maybe longer range tractor beams are coming SoonÖ. I think he's talking about player-dropped cans. The reason is probably because some people think they need to get salvaging skills to get loot from wrecks.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.03 16:27:00 - [4] Maybe because looting those cans normally gets you flagged agaisnt the owner? --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 16:27:00 - [5] ISK farmers don't loot. Drones can't shoot wrecks yet. Everything beyond tractor beam range is more prone to getting shot than looted/salvaged.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2006.12.03 16:28:00 - [6] maybe a tech2 cargo frigate with a tractor range bonus? and it would still (kinda) comply with _logistics_
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2006.12.03 16:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Kate Darieux Originally by: Jim McGregor People dont loot cans either... you make more money not looting them since its such a pain to wheel them in. But maybe longer range tractor beams are coming SoonÖ. I think he's talking about player-dropped cans. The reason is probably because some people think they need to get salvaging skills to get loot from wrecks. no it's probably that people can't keep track of which wrecks have already been looted, so they can't be arsed to fly over to each one again to find that last one they missed. i know i stopped looting mission rats altogether - untill i get salvaging, of course, then i'll loot/salvage as i go ========================================== Iy
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 16:30:00 - [8] Edited by: slothe on 03/12/2006 16:31:13 this screams for symbiosis... btw symbiosis is when 2 organisms benefit from each other like when a bird eats the leftovers from between a hippos teeth thus benefitting the hippo and the bird. but unintended funny from definition... "The term host is usually used for the larger (macro) of the two members of a symbiosis" *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2006.12.03 16:47:00 - [9] Im talking about player wrecks. I just grabbed 3x 125mm railgun II from a wreck near tash murkon prime, thats 3 mill bam. and as for flagging, thats only 15 minutes, in which time my ceptor is 10 jumps away doing something else ^_^
Belaramis	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:42:00 - [10] I think there may be a bug preventing some players from seeing the contents of a wreck... I dont recall finding one containing anything, even ones I killed...
Ralkuth	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:59:00 - [11] Looting wrecks is a major PITA. I am of the opinion that CCP has added wrecks to drive people away from doing missions. Look at the facts: Now EVERY ship destroyed generates a wreck wether its useful or not. you have to spend a LOT more time to check them out. Loot seems to be sparser and of lower value than pre-patch missions are now scannable so anyone can warp in on you. Sorry guys wrecks AREN'T an improvement. Turns out we weren't playing the game the way CCP thought it should be played so they're going to force us to do something different (like WoW, Gears of War, Neverwinter II). Later... Ralkuth
Illifae	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Frank Horrigan Im talking about player wrecks. I just grabbed 3x 125mm railgun II from a wreck near tash murkon prime, thats 3 mill bam. and as for flagging, thats only 15 minutes, in which time my ceptor is 10 jumps away doing something else ^_^ SSH DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT OR MORE PEOPLE WILL DO IT ^^
Se'la Rox Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Ralkuth Look at the facts: Now EVERY ship destroyed generates a wreck wether its useful or not. you have to spend a LOT more time to check them out. Loot seems to be sparser and of lower value than pre-patch Glad I'm not the only one who's noticed that. Virtually no decent drops any more. That's if you have the time to sweep through dozens of wrecks to find what little that got dropped in the first place...
Khnaedra D'Val Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:35:00 - [14] I'm still doing missions, and not bothering to loot/destroy wrecks afterwards... I can push out about 10-15mil ISK per hour (perhaps more), rushing through missions and not looting......leaves about 150-250 wrecks behind, possibly more, that I just don't see the point in wasting the time to check them all when 75% of them are normally empty (and it takes about an hour to do them all). This opinion on wrecks may change slightly, once I get access to a medium (or even large) tractor beam, but I can't see it ever changing to a positive one, I'm afraid......I can see the "realism" reasons for changing from cans to wrecks, but it just makes missions a boring grind if you spend 10-15 minutes killing everything then an hour looting the wrecks.
Rhaegar I	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:42:00 - [15] I dont mind the leaving wrecks change or putting in a bit of grunt work to collect the loot (as long as there is some), but it P*** me off using tractors u have to lock target then close the wreck window, then unlock all the targets , mabye a fix could be an "unlock all" option on rt click
Janus Reicheart	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:45:00 - [16] Yep, the two people above me pretty much said it. I've stopped looting anything in missions since wrecks have tacked on an unreasonable amount of time if I actually want to go check them out. Before with loot cans, it was relatively easy to pick them up with my tractor beam while in the midst of combat, so I could kill two birds with one stone. Now it's impossible to sort out the mess that is wrecks while fighting, so i'm forced to wait until i'm completely done with combat before I actually go check the wrecks. At that point i'm usually not too thrilled to go sifting through 20 some odd wrecks to see if anything good dropped. I'm waiting to see what changes they make tuesday before I start looting again.
Khnaedra D'Val Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:19:00 - [17] From what I remember from a dev-post, somewhere on these forums, Tuesday's change is only going to make wrecks different ONCE you've checked them......which means you'd still need to trawl around every single one to check if they're empty or not. So, to me, that means no change and I'll still not be looting them...
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:21:00 - [18] I loot wrecks, what's the problem with them? Last Weeks Signature
Kedryn Caitin	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:50:00 - [19] What I love is how so many people just say screw looting but then call you a thief when you come by and salvage them. I cleared four rats in a belt, looted, salvaged (one taking 13 cycles to complete) and then sat around for a few more minutes and no one showed. Salvaged 8 more wrecks, jumped to the next belt where the original owner was busily stripping asteroids and I get called a thief in local a few minutes later. I guess they saw my positive sec status and noted the fact I was flashing their ass and decided they were offended or something. I will say that wrecks have changed how I will be interacting with others since I now have to loot containers I never did before just so I can salvage the remains. I might have to turn to piracy if more meatheads are gonna be lazy and then make such silly comments.
Oedus Caro Caldari Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:57:00 - [20] Edited by: Oedus Caro on 04/12/2006 00:58:51 Ah, never mind... OP was talking about player cans after all.
Khnaedra D'Val Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.04 01:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Aeaus I loot wrecks, what's the problem with them? Picture the scene... You've just cleared the battlefield of mission-NPCs, and you're now faced with anything up to 40 wrecks which may or may not be empty. You have a (sensible) choice of two ships to do the looting in: a battleship with a cargo hold of about 350m3 and a top-speed of about 140m/s, or an industrial with a cargo hold of about 8200m3 and a top-speed of about 225m/s. The battleship, obviously, can take out the wrecks relatively quickly (either with a single 250mm railgun, or with a cruise missile if really bored) but has the agility of a small planet, and also may need to make two or three trips to loot everything on a "good" mission. The industrial, however, can do everything in one trip, but you're stuck sat next to a wreck because the single 150mm railgun is painfully slow in destroying looted wrecks. I've tested both methods......with missions I can clear in anything from 2 minutes up to 20 minutes for the multi-area stuff, I'm then looking at anything from 5 minutes to 90 minutes to do the looting. Conclusions? Anything more than 5 wrecks, anything more than 20km away; looting gets ignored and I leave the wrecks there......of course, I reserve the right to change my opinion once a) I get access to a tractor beam, and b) once Tuesday's patch is implemented.
Maglorre	Posted - 2006.12.04 02:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Khnaedra D'Val You have a (sensible) choice of two ships to do the looting in: a battleship with a cargo hold of about 350m3 and a top-speed of about 140m/s, or an industrial with a cargo hold of about 8200m3 and a top-speed of about 225m/s. Third option which you obviously haven't thought of yet... a cruiser. A stabber with cargo expanders (600+ m3 with standard ones), MWD (bookmark the location and come back after completing the mission so that the MWD works) and 5 tractors makes cleaning up the old loot cans very easy. Even without the tractors it's damn fast and you can fit an MWD and an AB in that case so you can go a bit slower if you aren't moving too far between cans. With the new wrecks the cruisers have a nice number of high slots for fitting tractors and salvagers. Don't have salvaging yet so no idea what the optimal ratio of tractor/salvager will be. Similar setup is possible with the thorax as well and I find it's actually a lot better at approaching cans/wrecks at speed with mwd, doesn't seem to bounce as far from the cans/wrecks if you are going too fast. I'd assume there is also similar possibilities with the other race's cruisers too. Cheers
Kantos Dal'mak	Posted - 2006.12.04 03:17:00 - [23] to OP why not loot? because everything drops a wreck, whereas pre revelations only things with loot dropped cans. its simple a pain in the *** to check everything, and, once you've looted the wreckage,it still clutters your overview, so unless you actualy pay attention you could very well end up trying to loot the same wreckage. Normaly it wouldent be a problem but, its just annoying to check anything. i dont loot unless its something that looks like it would be carrying something profitable. and something with longrange tractor beams would be realy nice.i'd sell my left toenail for it.
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2006.12.04 04:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Kantos Dal'mak to OP why not loot? because everything drops a wreck, whereas pre revelations only things with loot dropped cans. its simple a pain in the *** to check everything, and, once you've looted the wreckage,it still clutters your overview, so unless you actualy pay attention you could very well end up trying to loot the same wreckage. Normaly it wouldent be a problem but, its just annoying to check anything. i dont loot unless its something that looks like it would be carrying something profitable. and something with longrange tractor beams would be realy nice.i'd sell my left toenail for it. Yes, but Im talking about player wrecks.. which usually drop lots of loot. good or not, since people usually fit their ships.
Kim Chee Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.04 04:18:00 - [25] I don't loot wrecks at the moment. Because ships drop empty wrecks, and because there's no simple way to distinguish between wrecks I've checked, and ones I haven't checked yet. I can't target 'em all! :) Hopefully, the patch this week will at least address wrecks vs. empty wrecks, and allow us to rename them so we can tell we've peeked in them already.
Necrosmith Gallente Wife lets me play corp	Posted - 2006.12.04 06:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Ralkuth Looting wrecks is a major PITA. I am of the opinion that CCP has added wrecks to drive people away from doing missions. Look at the facts: Now EVERY ship destroyed generates a wreck wether its useful or not. you have to spend a LOT more time to check them out. Loot seems to be sparser and of lower value than pre-patch missions are now scannable so anyone can warp in on you. Sorry guys wrecks AREN'T an improvement. Turns out we weren't playing the game the way CCP thought it should be played so they're going to force us to do something different (like WoW, Gears of War, Neverwinter II). Later... Ralkuth My name is Necrosmith, and I approve of this message. Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 06:32:00 - [27] Why I gave up trying to loot wrecks The reason is that there is no way to tell what cans you have looted and which ones you haven't. So like in a mission where I kill 30 ships I can't tell pretty quick which ones I"ve looted or not. In PVP not sure why, the change in the rules is probably why. Or their holds were full or the guys buddy was there and they didn't want to get a tag. Galactic Express Recruitment Post
Unknown Subject Sound of Silence	Posted - 2006.12.04 06:43:00 - [28] Whine whine whine whine whine. Tuesday the skill requirement gets lowered, you can all get a salvager fitted and you can all stop bloody moaning. I cant believe my eyes with some of the crap you are complaining about. Yes, atm it is a little difficult to tell what you have looted and what you havent, but try blowing the dust off that grey stuff between your ears and maybe look for the wrecks from the bigger ships of your mission, and maybe, just maybe, use the tagging option that was brought into the game months ago. Now go enjoy the game, or go enjoy another game if you cant.
Cerfari	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:19:00 - [29] unlooted wrecks = fee Isk for me
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Maglorre Originally by: Khnaedra D'Val You have a (sensible) choice of two ships to do the looting in: a battleship with a cargo hold of about 350m3 and a top-speed of about 140m/s, or an industrial with a cargo hold of about 8200m3 and a top-speed of about 225m/s. Third option which you obviously haven't thought of yet... a cruiser. A stabber with cargo expanders (600+ m3 with standard ones), MWD (bookmark the location and come back after completing the mission so that the MWD works) and 5 tractors makes cleaning up the old loot cans very easy. Even without the tractors it's damn fast and you can fit an MWD and an AB in that case so you can go a bit slower if you aren't moving too far between cans. With the new wrecks the cruisers have a nice number of high slots for fitting tractors and salvagers. Don't have salvaging yet so no idea what the optimal ratio of tractor/salvager will be. Similar setup is possible with the thorax as well and I find it's actually a lot better at approaching cans/wrecks at speed with mwd, doesn't seem to bounce as far from the cans/wrecks if you are going too fast. I'd assume there is also similar possibilities with the other race's cruisers too. Cheers Anyone tried such a setup on a destroyer yet? Slightly smaller cargo but more high slots. My corp apparently used to have a "Lootacat" in our hangar - a Catalyst with 5 tractor beams. Come Tuesday I'll be able to build the Lootacat II: tractors, salvagers and a coupple defensive guns (cause it's lowsec after all). May or may not use MWD as I'll have very low skills in it. Another thing people have suggested are salvage drones. Anything in drone form gets my vote. >:)

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