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Brielle
Amarr Eaton Rifles
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:11:00 -
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So in summary, and looking at your killboard, ASCN used a frig fleet and killed a few BoB Battleships. Much more than they have managed when using their BS fleet, by all accounts.
BoB certainly dont seem to like it too much, if you go by the rants on this forum.
Do you really think that by trying to belittle ASCN for using a viable tactic, you are going to stop them from carrying on with this tactic?
Why not just adjust your tactics accordingly rather than come here and moan about it? Seems like a few sore heads over there in BoB land this morning.
Does this count as the first bad session for BoB so far in the war?
Brielle
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Brielle So in summary, and looking at your killboard, ASCN used a frig fleet and killed a few BoB Battleships. Much more than they have managed when using their BS fleet, by all accounts.
BoB certainly dont seem to like it too much, if you go by the rants on this forum.
Do you really think that by trying to belittle ASCN for using a viable tactic, you are going to stop them from carrying on with this tactic?
Why not just adjust your tactics accordingly rather than come here and moan about it? Seems like a few sore heads over there in BoB land this morning.
Does this count as the first bad session for BoB so far in the war?
Brielle
In short no.
BoB are tryin to explain to ASCN that defending your space with frig fleets will not work. Plain and simple. Bad session? Nah this is more fun than anything else we have been doing. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
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Hangman69
Horny AngryBear Lovers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:21:00 -
[243]
I may be mainly an empire mission *****, but its fairly obvious to me that bob is staging in azn for this weekend to attack the capitol shipyards and either steal Cyvoks Avatar or destroy it.
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MacDuncan
Minmatar Unknown Society
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:22:00 -
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Just being curious: How many Fighters died together with these frigs @ all these Judgement activations?? --
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: MacDuncan Just being curious: How many Fighters died together with these frigs @ all these Judgement activations??
Well, I'll just quote one of our co-op pilots....
"The remains of their fleet is coming back to their POS. All their fighters seem to be gone. Wait... a few of the carriers seem to be deploying new ones..."
No more fighter bombing after that on sunday...
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: MacDuncan Just being curious: How many Fighters died together with these frigs @ all these Judgement activations??
Good question - It's a shame you don't get kill mails for them.
During the siege in GQ2 we killed literally 100's of ASCN fighters and from what I understand from Molle lots more have been killed over the last few days. At 30mil a pop it ain't cheap.
Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Roland 99 on 04/12/2006 19:35:46 Edited by: Roland 99 on 04/12/2006 19:35:34 This propaganda message brought to you by snacky smores!!!
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Best Sig ever!!
Sorry that this is off topic, but i was just about to post a new topic on how good that sig was
<3 chris.
Anyways, back to the topic. I wish my comp was fixed so could go to AZN, but from looking at the bob killboard it does seem that ascn HC isnt to good in tactics on defending space vs bob. They tried the fighter bombing in gq2, where did that get them?
Also, @ the "there behind your sofa with machineguns" comment
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Slowboat
Interspace Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Afonso Henriques ASCN is just lol.
Speaking of gtc's, I really hope the ascn guys selling them are better at their work than they are at eve.
YEah.. because you know.. your alliance does so good at holding space... oh wait...
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Taedrin
Gallente Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 04/12/2006 19:47:34 To BoB: Hmmmmm, I seem to be finding a lot of contradiction within BoB.
ASCN doesn't bring it to BoB, BoB belittles ASCN for failing to defend their space.
ASCN members which attempt to defend their own space are belittled by BoB anyways.
Conclusion: BoB does not want a good fight. They don't want ASCN to get better. They don't want ASCN to fight back. They want ASCN to disband.
To ASCN: IMO, ASCN needs to get a do-or-die attitude. They need to amass ALL of their forces for one giant push on multiple fronts. I'm talking about massive Capital ship fleets. I'm talking about invading multiple systems simutaneously to split up BoB forces. I'm talking about fighting with overwhelming force. If ASCN can't do this, BoB *WILL* win this war. When it comes to PvP, BoB has more experience and is better equipped.
In conclusion: Adapt or die.
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin Stuff...
If someone doesn't show up to defend their space, they deserve whatever belittlement they get.
If someone shows up to defend their space in a T1 frigate/cruiser when they're capable of flying a Battleship (especially when it is everyone in an alliance), they too deserve whatever belittlement they get.
If someone shows up in (at least close to) the best ship he can fly, even if he looses, he gets respect! His FC might get a *******ing for stupidly loosing, but the pilot is all right!
That's just my $0.02....
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Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin BoB does not want a good fight. They don't want ASCN to get better. They don't want ASCN to fight back. They want ASCN to disband.
At first, yes. We wanted good fights, we wanted to see ASCN improve, we wanted to see them bring their biggest guns and their sharpest sharpshooters.
But after weeks of their pitiful performance, unwillingness by their commanders to put up a genuine fight, backed up by ever more absurd rhetoric, we'd rather that they take what self-respect they have remaining and pack it in.
Quote: IMO, ASCN needs to get a do-or-die attitude. They need to amass ALL of their forces for one giant push on multiple fronts. I'm talking about massive Capital ship fleets. I'm talking about invading multiple systems simutaneously to split up BoB forces. I'm talking about fighting with overwhelming force. If ASCN can't do this, BoB *WILL* win this war.
It's easy to be an armchair strategist.
All of those ideas has been said, tossed around, even half-heartedly attempted by ASCN. The 'multiple fronts' strategy in particular just won't die, but frankly it misses the point in so many ways.
The bottom line is, you have find the courage to face your enemy. Once you can achieve that, the rest will fall into place. --
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Sir Erighan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Erighan on 04/12/2006 20:06:12
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: MacDuncan Just being curious: How many Fighters died together with these frigs @ all these Judgement activations??
Good question - It's a shame you don't get kill mails for them.
During the siege in GQ2 we killed literally 100's of ASCN fighters and from what I understand from Molle lots more have been killed over the last few days. At 30mil a pop it ain't cheap.
Let me get this straight, ASCN are losing billions worth of ISK in the form of "non-battleships" vessels....and yet, BoB continue to belittle ASCN for not, quote "Bringing it to them."
How many carriers and motherships do they have in AZN? Oh, and lets not forget the 80bil Titan. Just because they're not flying battleships doesn't mean they aren't using everything they have. Show some respect. Do you guys ever sit and think..."Hey, we've killed 1000+ BSs, maybe its taken toll and ASCN are having to use different tactics."
Seriously, show just a little respect (at least toward the ASCN grunts that keep showing up to fight).
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Taedrin
Gallente Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tzrailasa
Originally by: Taedrin Stuff...
If someone doesn't show up to defend their space, they deserve whatever belittlement they get.
If someone shows up to defend their space in a T1 frigate/cruiser when they're capable of flying a Battleship (especially when it is everyone in an alliance), they too deserve whatever belittlement they get.
If someone shows up in (at least close to) the best ship he can fly, even if he looses, he gets respect! His FC might get a *******ing for stupidly loosing, but the pilot is all right!
That's just my $0.02....
There seems to be a severe lacking of posts like these which are willing to give respect to those in ASCN which try their hardest to defend their territory.
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Taedrin
Gallente Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Serret
Quote: IMO, ASCN needs to get a do-or-die attitude. They need to amass ALL of their forces for one giant push on multiple fronts. I'm talking about massive Capital ship fleets. I'm talking about invading multiple systems simutaneously to split up BoB forces. I'm talking about fighting with overwhelming force. If ASCN can't do this, BoB *WILL* win this war.
It's easy to be an armchair strategist.
All of those ideas has been said, tossed around, even half-heartedly attempted by ASCN. The 'multiple fronts' strategy in particular just won't die, but frankly it misses the point in so many ways.
The bottom line is, you have find the courage to face your enemy. Once you can achieve that, the rest will fall into place.
Which is why I said that ASCN needs a do-or-die attitude. They need to be able to amass their entire force, and strike with such strength and fury that BoB can not defend all of the fronts at once. ASCN has superior numbers, and according to Sun Tzu:
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It is the rule in war, if our forces are ten to the enemy's one, to surround him; if five to one, to attack him; if twice as numerous, to divide our army into two.
ASCN may have tried to attack on multiple fronts, but they haven't tried to attack on multiple fronts with overwhelming force.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Roland 99
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awwww, that wasn't very nice.. :(
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Brielle
Amarr Eaton Rifles
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus
In short no.
BoB are tryin to explain to ASCN that defending your space with frig fleets will not work. Plain and simple. Bad session? Nah this is more fun than anything else we have been doing.
Thanks for the civilised answer. I tend to agree with you that this will not ultimately be a sucessful tactic and that ASCN will need to fight with BS and dreads in order to drive BoB out.
But you BoB guys need to give a bit of slack - ASCN wasnt sucessful with the capitals or with BS fleet or with the titan or with their attack on PS - now they are trying to do something different and thats wrong too?
Cant you accept you will win without all the derision on the forums for whatever they try to do. Maybe even a little recognition of effort rather than vitriolage
I would use the term "sporting" but I am not really sure a good proportion of BoB would understand or care what I mean
Brielle
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Brielle
Originally by: ponieus
In short no.
BoB are tryin to explain to ASCN that defending your space with frig fleets will not work. Plain and simple. Bad session? Nah this is more fun than anything else we have been doing.
Thanks for the civilised answer. I tend to agree with you that this will not ultimately be a sucessful tactic and that ASCN will need to fight with BS and dreads in order to drive BoB out.
But you BoB guys need to give a bit of slack - ASCN wasnt sucessful with the capitals or with BS fleet or with the titan or with their attack on PS - now they are trying to do something different and thats wrong too?
Cant you accept you will win without all the derision on the forums for whatever they try to do. Maybe even a little recognition of effort rather than vitriolage
I would use the term "sporting" but I am not really sure a good proportion of BoB would understand or care what I mean
Brielle
We wouldnt be BoB without the forum stuffs. ASCN made some really bad mistakes and decisons at the start of this war we are just remiding them of that every week with our weekly summary. Take it for whats its worth. We have been doing it for a long long long time. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
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Kaleeb
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:34:00 -
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Nice diplomatic response there Kryztal, I wasnt trying to flame bob and if thats how it looked then i`m sorry. I should have mailed Bl to start with and already mentioned that and appologised for it. Dont take everything to heart
Sorry to derail the topic Thol
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Hast
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Roland 99 Edited by: Roland 99 on 04/12/2006 19:35:46 Edited by: Roland 99 on 04/12/2006 19:35:34 This propaganda message brought to you by snacky smores!!!
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that took you two edits to get right?
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb Nice diplomatic response there Kryztal, I wasnt trying to flame bob and if thats how it looked then i`m sorry. I should have mailed Bl to start with and already mentioned that and appologised for it. Dont take everything to heart
Sorry to derail the topic Thol
I have decided you are now my MC ALT... ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
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Kaleeb
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:56:00 -
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I dont know whether to laugh or cry
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Erighan Edited by: Sir Erighan on 04/12/2006 20:06:12
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: MacDuncan Just being curious: How many Fighters died together with these frigs @ all these Judgement activations??
Good question - It's a shame you don't get kill mails for them.
During the siege in GQ2 we killed literally 100's of ASCN fighters and from what I understand from Molle lots more have been killed over the last few days. At 30mil a pop it ain't cheap.
Let me get this straight, ASCN are losing billions worth of ISK in the form of "non-battleships" vessels....and yet, BoB continue to belittle ASCN for not, quote "Bringing it to them."
How many carriers and motherships do they have in AZN? Oh, and lets not forget the 80bil Titan. Just because they're not flying battleships doesn't mean they aren't using everything they have. Show some respect. Do you guys ever sit and think..."Hey, we've killed 1000+ BSs, maybe its taken toll and ASCN are having to use different tactics."
Seriously, show just a little respect (at least toward the ASCN grunts that keep showing up to fight).
Post with your ASCN main and maybe we'll see about that whole respect thing.
No respect for people who can't follow simple forum rules.
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Ekon Bor
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ekon Bor on 04/12/2006 22:16:41
Originally by: Nez Perces Now multiply Malachon by 2000 pilots and you get ASCN.
Now I dont post often In this section of the forums but I read them for a laugh now and then and think that I hold an objective enough opinion to take It as what it is.
But this comment is a very big mistake, You think we are all the same?, well you are very much mistaken. Fighting this war for me is about honour, and I've tried my best with what available game time I have to do my part with whatever ingame resources I have available to me. Some of my fellow alliance members have said things in CAOD that I find highly questionable and in some cases completely against what I believe in but why should I care what they say? It's thier own reputation under question. But when someone puts a label on me because of something someone else said that ****es me off. Granted it goes both ways but I'm sick of it all, its bad sportsmanship.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Roland 99 Edited by: Roland 99 on 04/12/2006 19:35:46 Edited by: Roland 99 on 04/12/2006 19:35:34 This propaganda message brought to you by snacky smores!!!
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that took you two edits to get right?
it was a very complicated smack which undoubtly took hours upon hours to contruct so he had to get it perfect.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:17:00 -
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I type about as well as xirt mines veldspar :P _______
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin ASCN has superior numbers, and according to Sun Tzu:
Quote:
It is the rule in war, if our forces are ten to the enemy's one, to surround him; if five to one, to attack him; if twice as numerous, to divide our army into two.
ASCN may have tried to attack on multiple fronts, but they haven't tried to attack on multiple fronts with overwhelming force.
Now I don't have my copy of the Art of War handy, its at home on my nightstand, but Sun Tzu also states that to take a disorganized and unmotivated force into battle is to invite disaster. ASCN is both disorangized and much of it is unmotivated. What ASACN COULD do doesn't matter. History is ripe with 'what ifs'. What ASCN will do is what matters and based on their HC's record you can guess what results that will bring.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ekon Bor
Originally by: Nez Perces Now multiply Malachon by 2000 pilots and you get ASCN.
But this comment is a very big mistake, You think we are all the same?, well you are very much mistaken. Fighting this war for me is about honour, and I've tried my best with what available game time I have to do my part with whatever ingame resources I have available to me. Some of my fellow alliance members have said things in CAOD that I find highly questionable and in some cases completely against what I believe in but why should I care what they say? It's thier own reputation under question. But when someone puts a label on me because of something someone else said that ****es me off. Granted it goes both ways but I'm sick of it all, its bad sportsmanship.
... its an unfortunate characteristic of the CAOD forums, that what pilots say when displaying their alliance tag, reflects on the alliance as a whole....
It works both ways though, by you saying what you have, and kudos to you for it, you have made ASCN look better.
Thats how the forums work.
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the Poet
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ekon Bor Edited by: Ekon Bor on 04/12/2006 22:16:41
Originally by: Nez Perces Now multiply Malachon by 2000 pilots and you get ASCN.
Now I dont post often In this section of the forums but I read them for a laugh now and then and think that I hold an objective enough opinion to take It as what it is.
But this comment is a very big mistake, You think we are all the same?, well you are very much mistaken. Fighting this war for me is about honour, and I've tried my best with what available game time I have to do my part with whatever ingame resources I have available to me. Some of my fellow alliance members have said things in CAOD that I find highly questionable and in some cases completely against what I believe in but why should I care what they say? It's thier own reputation under question. But when someone puts a label on me because of something someone else said that ****es me off. Granted it goes both ways but I'm sick of it all, its bad sportsmanship.
Fine you are cool, the rest need to die tho
Cool sig comming soon... I swear :(
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Ekon Bor
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:59:00 -
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Ima die with the rest thx
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