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Imaran Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:21:00 - [1] Ladies and Gentlemen ( and minmatar people ) I present to you tonight's Server Trouble thread. Please keep your replies civil and on topic. Updates will be added to this post when we get a SitRep on the current issues. Sexeh CRC Website Public Service Announcement : Contrary to popular belief, cheese is not steak pie in disguise. Offical Keeper of the key to Suvetar's Chastity Belt *A Year To The Day Clicking The Forums - 5/10/06* EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:22:00 - [2] Go minnie!! --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Imaran Ladies and Gentlemen ( and minmatar people ) lol ___ Email Us (Report a bad post) \| Forum Rules \| Website EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER

Nerdalus Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Imaran Ladies and Gentlemen ( and minmatar people ) I present to you tonight's Server Trouble thread. Please keep your replies civil and on topic. Updates will be added to this post when we get a SitRep on the current issues. Humour wins no fans in this situation, we want answers !!!!!!!
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:24:00 - [5] These crashes are annoying, but luckily they did not happen during the PVP tournament. Let's hope this gets resolved soon. Last Weeks Signature
Broya The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:24:00 - [6] Um.. anwsers... feed the hamster?
DETOVI Caldari Deep Space Keggers	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:24:00 - [7] to the *****ers and whiners in ADVANCE.... things are much better w/ lag and nodes then were before and i even have PERSISTENT post-patch issues.... also i was queued @ 155 to login and made it in a record 3 mins so STFU .
Broya The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:26:00 - [8] I got a skill that finishes in two minutes crosses fingers
Nerdalus Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Nerdalus on 03/12/2006 23:26:41 Originally by: DETOVI to the *****ers and whiners in ADVANCE.... things are much better w/ lag and nodes then were before and i even have PERSISTENT post-patch issues.... also i was queued @ 155 to login and made it in a record 3 mins so STFU Silly man My thread was locked, so here it is please naswer my questions. Well done to CCP for breaking the record for most capsuleers online at one time. It is very good to see the player base growing. However, we are still getting the same lag as we did before the new servers, the same lag that we were told we were not going to experience again. Having been a victim to lossing several ships to overstress on the nodes i feel really aggreived at the fact that you continue to celebrate the records you break, while we the paying customer have to suffer from your lack of preperation. I really hope you get this sorted out
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:27:00 - [10] Bah, it's Sunday night, there is a new record of people online, who really expects not to have problems? ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
maarud Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:27:00 - [11] sigh So I suppose all the "We will have all these problems sorted in Kali" shouts from CCP, were just a smoke screen to get us to shut up for a while? Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
DaHeaVYFo Gallente Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:28:00 - [12] Edited by: DaHeaVYFo on 03/12/2006 23:29:57 Originally by: Eldo Davip Originally by: Imaran Ladies and Gentlemen ( and minmatar people ) lol Where's that quote of the month reward signed, a proud non-whiner.
DETOVI Caldari Deep Space Keggers	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Shemar Bah, it's Sunday night, there is a new record of people online, who really expects not to have problems? QFT.... the true vets of game know when its valid to complain and the issues really worth it. Yea im jonesing to play... but hell, im used to worse... if ya dont like the game go play WoW, or CS or even Solitare! .
Quin Tal Fort Knox Inc Expeto Libertas Foedus	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:30:00 - [14] Quote: SitRep /sitrep Forseral is red
Caerleus Salvage Inc	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:33:00 - [15] Edited by: Caerleus on 03/12/2006 23:36:09 Originally by: Shemar Bah, it's Sunday night, there is a new record of people online, who really expects not to have problems? And how many people believe that its new players and not existing players creating new uber alts ? Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long.

Imaran Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Quin Tal Quote: SitRep /sitrep Forseral is red Pfffff Sexeh CRC Website Public Service Announcement : Contrary to popular belief, cheese is not steak pie in disguise. Offical Keeper of the key to Suvetar's Chastity Belt *A Year To The Day Clicking The Forums - 5/10/06* EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER

D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:35:00 - [17] Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 03/12/2006 23:36:16 cant you just disable trial accounts to ease the load after big patchs? seems like all you care about is breaking records even if it makes paying cutomers suffer ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own.
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:36:00 - [18] sigh so were not even in pactch + 1 week yet, there are 32k players on the server and people act suprised there is lag/crashes/etc.? i despair for the intellegence of this community at times. things will improve then the amount of people playing will increase, then it will get bad again..its the same vicious cycle time and time again. crying/whining/sulking will not solve anything. RAM is recruiting
DETOVI Caldari Deep Space Keggers	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:39:00 - [19] hell at least i have the common courtesy of givin the Devs a reach-around if i have need to *****! .
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:39:00 - [20] Originally by: dantes inferno sigh so were not even in pactch + 1 week yet, there are 32k players on the server and people act suprised there is lag/crashes/etc.? Excuses. If CCP needed more capital to launch a bug-free expansion, they should of charged for it. I specifically would PREFER to pay if it'd make things better. Anyway... There are queues in deep 0.0. I advise pilots not to rely on gates to escape engagements. //Maya
gordon cain Minmatar Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:41:00 - [21] Originally by: dantes inferno sigh so were not even in pactch + 1 week yet, there are 32k players on the server and people act suprised there is lag/crashes/etc.? i despair for the intellegence of this community at times. things will improve then the amount of people playing will increase, then it will get bad again..its the same vicious cycle time and time again. crying/whining/sulking will not solve anything. Neither is insulting people. This is the second thread you are doing that in. If you dont have anything important to say about the problems tonight and/or how to fix it, why even bother then. Gordon Cain
Malakit Fuels Of Armageddon	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:45:00 - [22] I see it this way. The better the game becomes, the more people are playing \| The more people are playing the more stress the server will have \| the more stress the server has, the more it crashes/lags... Then they fix it, improve it, and start again the circle. SOLUTION: Make Eve a horrible crap dull game... 200 peeps will play and then you'll never ever had to complain about those issues again.... Eve is just victim of its own success...

Sharkbait	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:49:00 - [23] i will spare you the full details. basically we had a memory problem on a node again, it's an issue that is at the top of the "get it fix by yesterday or go die" list. problem is when this node was manually killed, it took down 12 other nodes. where the main problem is, there was some nodes that was running the corp/allaince/warefare stuff that died and when these die, everyone connected to them will also disconnect. there are 8 nodes running the corp stuff. it's a new problem with revelations and it will be fixed asap or sooner cluster held out well tonight, just a pitty the night ended like this Spank You later

Rendall Arc	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:54:00 - [24] Extensive hardware and software optimizations for both the server and game client, including performance gains, memory leak fixes and much more. I hope i can soon sit in a station with my dx10gfx Avatar then play poker with a friend or an enemy look throug the window and whatch ppl fighting outside hey look he dont shoot hm yes he will be lag
Cyclops43	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:57:00 - [25] Actually, I would like to give CCP a lot of credit. There are some issues at the moment, but nothing I'd really consider major. This is just about the most stable I've seen the server be less than 1 WEEK(!) after a major upgrade (and I've been playing for about 18 months). There're always problems after a major software release of any kind, but CCP does seem to have improved their software quality procedures. Actually, the server as of now seems to be more stable than at any time since the Dragon update! Good job, CCP!
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:58:00 - [26] mmm 15 mins to log in tonight, but when i did get in i asked a corpy, he said about 30 secs... domain somewhere i think. Doesn't bother me i spose (soon as it said 110 person que, i droped out back for a smoke... came back and it was still on entering game) but if things get any better in the future, we shall see.... it's not like we havn't been here before. You should definatley look at moving the high sec mission agents around though.. certain areas are unplayable. Doesn't do well for keeping customers happy that, you know there's a problem with heavy use in certain areas and don't do anything about it... when the answers to you solving it are simple. Could anyone explain to me the downsides and negative effect of placing multiple agents of the same quality in different systems on the corners of each region. I don't see it, but it would save 15 minute ques to enter the game, would save 2 minute server hangs.. Surely ccp's priority should be to make sure of quality of service, it's in there own intrests one would have thought. As placid as i am (not totaly hooked on the game ect, but still willing to hold up my sub) i could well see how the obsessed might get narced, and worse ofcourse those that might just jack it in. Intresting thoughts on the 'subject' anyway. ______
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:02:00 - [27] Stop whining. Seriously. This has been the best post-patch week I've ever been in, and I've been playing since castor. I'm sure the issue will be fixed soon. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
maarud Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:02:00 - [28] this is not funny anymore Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:02:00 - [29] patch = good Server = crap, get it sorted! ------------- Minmatar is hard mode___
Fren Mallow Gallente Bluestar Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Sharkbait i will spare you the full details. basically we had a memory problem on a node again, it's an issue that is at the top of the "get it fix by yesterday or go die" list... Looks, like you want to die then?! ;) Originally by: Sharkbait ..problem is when this node was manually killed, it took down 12 other nodes. where the main problem is, there was some nodes that was running the corp/allaince/warefare stuff that died and when these die, everyone connected to them will also disconnect. there are 8 nodes running the corp stuff. it's a new problem with revelations and it will be fixed asap or sooner cluster held out well tonight, just a pitty the night ended like this Hm.. would it be possible to give us Nooblars (seen in point of view Loadbalancing Systems/Nodes) some overview?! Like this Alliance-chart.. where everybody can see, which ally claims which Constellations.. Would it be possible to give us some kind of list, so we could avoid crashing/overloaded nodes?! I'd been in Verge Vendor:Alenia at the time beeing and got kicked out.. Woudl be nice to know, which nodes this region/sonstealltion is on?! Any chance for something like this? Cheers --------------------------------------------- Never fix a running system, but fix this dead LOW SEC, CCP!
Xinrath Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:06:00 - [31] it would be nice if this didnt happen for 2 nights now for me and few other corp mates who lost ships due to a crash and the attacking party not crashing, its not funny any more and i wish the petitions would speed up.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:07:00 - [32] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 04/12/2006 00:23:34 Guys at CCP: Please send up a nice computer. My computer keeps crashing and it's annoying. My power supply capacitor is bad, and causes me to crash about once every 4 minutes once I enter the game. I am too poor to afford a new rig, and it's been years since my latest major system upgrade. I can't play like this, and I can't report problems efficiently. Please deliver to my home address (which you have on file) the following things: AMD 64-bit top-of-the-line processor Top-of-the-line motherboard with top-of-the-line architecture with 2 gigabytes of top quality memory High quality power supply Top-of-the-line cooling Dual 8800 videocards 2 SATA Hard Drives (I have my own working DVD Burner, so that should save you a couple bucks) Top-of-the-line Audigy soundcard A nice computer case The latest copy of EON Thank you very much for addressing my problem and allowing me to continue playing your great game and continue subscribing so all I see are not snippits of EVE. Yours, Siigari Kitawa Frustrated @ her current computer
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:12:00 - [33] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: dantes inferno sigh so were not even in pactch + 1 week yet, there are 32k players on the server and people act suprised there is lag/crashes/etc.? Excuses. If CCP needed more capital to launch a bug-free expansion, they should of charged for it. I specifically would PREFER to pay if it'd make things better. Anyway... There are queues in deep 0.0. I advise pilots not to rely on gates to escape engagements. There is no such thing as a bug-free anything in computer science. The only thing they could do to avoid this sort of situation would be for them to hire 30,000 quality assurance testers. And I seriously don't think that CCP has the funds to hire 30,000 professional testers full time.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:16:00 - [34] Siigari Kitawa, the "crash every 4 minute" issue is in fact a L3 router issue, not your PC. Thanks! (PS, images BAD) Taedrin, but there IS this thing called QA. And UI designers. //Maya
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:16:00 - [35] sigh i get the feeling im about to lose my third ship in pve this week due to lag/server crashes :(
call mebtch	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:17:00 - [36] why is the server keep kicking me off ?
Karrihn Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Coasterbrian Stop whining. Seriously. This has been the best post-patch week I've ever been in, and I've been playing since castor. I'm sure the issue will be fixed soon. You can put pearls on a pig, but you still have a pig. If you put whip cream and a cherry on a turd, you still have a turd. If a patch hoses the server, the server is still hosed. The Destruction of your ship is usually preceeded by the thought,"I think I will try somthing a little different this time...."
Meuchelmorder	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Caerleus And how many people believe that its new players and not existing players creating new uber alts ? o/ I do. In fact, i've never seen so many <7 day old players in my life. And all of them in our previously secured alliance space. How bothersome. MUST...KILL!!!!
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Maya Rkell Siigari Kitawa, the "crash every 4 minute" issue is in fact a L3 router issue, not your PC. Thanks! (PS, images BAD) Taedrin, but there IS this thing called QA. And UI designers. Yeah, and these things do catch a lot of bugs and etc... However, there are certain bugs that will only show up under heavy loads. And it is nigh impossible for a company like CCP to hire enough QA folks to produce these heavy loads.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:21:00 - [40] Originally by: Coasterbrian Stop whining. Seriously. This has been the best post-patch week I've ever been in, and I've been playing since castor. I'm sure the issue will be fixed soon. My comments were not a 'whine' they were constructive/on topic, with viable solution. The problem isn't the patch, or anything to do with deployment. It's hard to belive that the problems i describe will go away unless there's decisive action on ccp's part to balance the population out into different areas out on the server. It's fair call imo, id love know why they don't. ______
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:21:00 - [41] yay i only lost a handful of drones instead, and got to watch them die \o/
Dewayne Hicks Alcohol Fueled Brutality	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:22:00 - [42] Yeah, it only took 15 minutes to log in this time, kool I am down from 30+ minutes. Opps just crashed in a shuttle going thru high sec... Back up to 15 minutes and counting :) You just have to love a good roller coaster hehe ------------------ Murderous Scum & Proud Of It :)
Meuchelmorder	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Sharkbait i will spare you the full details. basically we had a memory problem on a node again, it's an issue that is at the top of the "get it fix by yesterday or go die" list. problem is when this node was manually killed, it took down 12 other nodes. where the main problem is, there was some nodes that was running the corp/allaince/warefare stuff that died and when these die, everyone connected to them will also disconnect. there are 8 nodes running the corp stuff. it's a new problem with revelations and it will be fixed asap or sooner cluster held out well tonight, just a pitty the night ended like this Look, Sharkbait is one of us in the ! persuasion. Poor dev's cant even get their mugs up on forums. /me hugs the devs.
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:26:00 - [44] Originally by: Taedrin There is no such thing as a bug-free anything in computer science. The only thing they could do to avoid this sort of situation would be for them to hire 30,000 quality assurance testers. And I seriously don't think that CCP has the funds to hire 30,000 professional testers full time. Here is an idea: Do things one at a time, instead of in huge chunks of unmanageable mess. But then they can't do magazine articles and promotional stunts. The fact that after each major patch we have an influx of new players (or re-ignition of interest of old ones) is exactly why CCP is going for this type of "impressions first, get it to work properly later" policy. But that has nothing to do with the people trying to fix things, it has to do with the people that make CCP policies. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Maya Rkell Siigari Kitawa, the "crash every 4 minute" issue is in fact a L3 router issue, not your PC. Thanks! (PS, images BAD) Taedrin, but there IS this thing called QA. And UI designers. Yeah, and these things do catch a lot of bugs and etc... However, there are certain bugs that will only show up under heavy loads. And it is nigh impossible for a company like CCP to hire enough QA folks to produce these heavy loads. Results, not intentions, count. The results are speaking for themselves. //Maya
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:45:00 - [46] Originally by: Maya Rkell Siigari Kitawa, the "crash every 4 minute" issue is in fact a L3 router issue, not your PC. Thanks! (PS, images BAD) Taedrin, but there IS this thing called QA. And UI designers. I think I know that when I get a black screen and my computer spontaneously restarts itself that my video card is taking a crap on my computer. I have been swapping out video cards due to instability for the past month (screen flickering, losing control, and all sorts of crashes and other restart problems. I think I know what's causing my own issues, thanks.
Dahak2150 HellBrothers Industries	Posted - 2006.12.04 02:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Quin Tal Quote: SitRep /sitrep Forseral is red Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Mushroom Mushroom........... If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a better browser.
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.12.04 03:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Nerdalus Originally by: Imaran Ladies and Gentlemen ( and minmatar people ) I present to you tonight's Server Trouble thread. Please keep your replies civil and on topic. Updates will be added to this post when we get a SitRep on the current issues. Humour wins no fans in this situation, we want answers !!!!!!! NERD! I've missed ya buddy! Drop me a line in game next time you're on. To Mr. STFU. Lag is still present. It still ****es a lot of us off. We have just as much right to say our piece as you do yours. So kindly.... STFU.
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.04 04:25:00 - [49] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Maya Rkell Siigari Kitawa, the "crash every 4 minute" issue is in fact a L3 router issue, not your PC. Thanks! (PS, images BAD) Taedrin, but there IS this thing called QA. And UI designers. I think I know that when I get a black screen and my computer spontaneously restarts itself that my video card is taking a crap on my computer. I have been swapping out video cards due to instability for the past month (screen flickering, losing control, and all sorts of crashes and other restart problems. I think I know what's causing my own issues, thanks. Actually the Revelations client seems to have some particularly poor Direct3D code flying around inside it since loads of people have been reporting graphical glitches (including myself) and I know the effects of bad D3D code when I see it.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.04 04:46:00 - [50] Okay, it's happening in more than just EVE.
Cyrus Graham Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.04 05:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Maya Rkell Results, not intentions, count. The results are speaking for themselves. Results, eh? Funny thing about QA is that the results are not evident. Because the results are that things get fixed, which you dont see. So when you see something that IS happening, you claim it's bad QA. But as has been said, the issues we are seeing are happening under load. And that is not something that can be tested when not under load, so what is obvious to you now was unknowable to them then. By the way, did you participate in the requested stress tests? If not, I blame you for this problem, since you did not contribute to QA's ability to detect this problem. ___________________________________ Go play checkers if you want a game where everything's fair and equal.
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.12.04 05:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Cyrus Graham By the way, did you participate in the requested stress tests? If not, I blame you for this problem, since you did not contribute to QA's ability to detect this problem. The stress tests that occurred at 2 or 3am for some of us?
Lygos ISS Navy Task Force	Posted - 2006.12.04 06:00:00 - [53] The artful use of timesinks in a virtual world can alleviate much problems with latency. Think of the Earth as the perfect mmog, but with a really high pixel count, and relatively little latency. Usually, there are timesinks everywhere, but most of them are well accepted by the players, except for the relatively recently implemented ones. Everything that the users expect to be able to do is generally within the limits of the firmware. In the simplest terms, mmogs need more software engineering and less development. It's necessary to ask, "Given flawless operation on our end, what is the theoretical performance limit of the infrastructure that connects us to our users?" Once that is established, surely it must be necessary to place restrictions on user actions where they can with varying degrees of subtlety be implemented, and extended distractions where they cannot. Aspects of the program, which are bound to cause continuously worsening effects as more users are added, must be retooled fundamentally, rather than have bandaids applied to them, or approached through optimizations. I'm not a programmer. Matter of fact, fractions confuse me frequently. Some things just seem kind of simple though. For an example, take gang health status reporting. Now, I don't know how it works, but I have an idea that it is an entry field on a server somewhere that is broadcast to a user, and that the user confirms it, and twice the number of packets are required to verify the data either way. I also suspect that with each added user, the number of packets increases multiplicatively, probably moreso if client confirmation happens to be required somewhere. It's always at least N collated broadcasts sent to N users. The problem is reduced without peerage, but it is still present. While it might be impressive to get 250 collated messages to 250 users every 5 seconds, it probably makes more sense to send 250 collated messages to 1 or 2 users who opt (or are selected) to recieve the data for some purpose sensible to the user, while non-opting clients know not to wait for it. Judicious economy prevails where technological innovation stumbles. If I had to speculate, it may be that because most code factories do not have a modern history or bourgeois antecedant, and so they must tend to have underdeveloped industry institutions such as controllership outside of the marketting division, or practices which encourage developmental thrift. Artistic media is no exception, and it never has been. --- Private Investment should preceed Public Investment
Cyrus Graham Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.04 06:04:00 - [54] Originally by: Phoenix Lonestar The stress tests that occurred at 2 or 3am for some of us? Hey, the lady said that only results count. ___________________________________ Go play checkers if you want a game where everything's fair and equal.
Agrias Hellion Diligentia Sodalitas	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:10:00 - [55] Held out well? I stopped playing with my main around 2200 due to massive lag and disconnects. I would not consider this to be the hardware held out well. Considering I am paying to play this account and can't I would suggest less posts about the stupid, bloody record number of players and more into fixing issues that was supposedly going to be fixed with the last patch.
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Lygos For an example, take gang health status reporting. Now, I don't know how it works, but I have an idea that it is an entry field on a server somewhere that is broadcast to a user, and that the user confirms it, and twice the number of packets are required to verify the data either way. I also suspect that with each added user, the number of packets increases multiplicatively, probably moreso if client confirmation happens to be required somewhere. It's always at least N collated broadcasts sent to N users. The problem is reduced without peerage, but it is still present. Currently, gang health status works like this: Squadron: You see the health of everyone in the squadron including the leader. Wing: You see the health status of all squadron leaders and the wing leader. Fleet: You see the health status of all wing leaders and the fleet commander. Or that is what I've gathered from Devposts.
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:29:00 - [57] Minmatar are considered people now? When did that happen? In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:14:00 - [58] Originally by: Dahak2150 Originally by: Quin Tal Quote: SitRep /sitrep Forseral is red Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Mushroom Mushroom........... GeT oFf CySsOr! ---- Originally by: Wrangler It's a neuralizer.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:19:00 - [59] Originally by: Lygos For an example, take gang health status reporting. Now, I don't know how it works, but I have an idea that it is an entry field on a server somewhere that is broadcast to a user, and that the user confirms it, and twice the number of packets are required to verify the data either way. I also suspect that with each added user, the number of packets increases multiplicatively, probably moreso if client confirmation happens to be required somewhere. It's always at least N collated broadcasts sent to N users. The problem is reduced without peerage, but it is still present. That's pretty much how the old gang health system worked, yes. It scaled as N^2. The spam in the log server became very obvious in large gangs. Originally by: Lygos While it might be impressive to get 250 collated messages to 250 users every 5 seconds, it probably makes more sense to send 250 collated messages to 1 or 2 users who opt (or are selected) to recieve the data for some purpose sensible to the user, while non-opting clients know not to wait for it. But of course they didn't do anything about gang health message spam in this patch. Oh no, nothing at all They only capped the old gang system at 50 players, and introduced the new fleet system with structured reporting which means that no-one in the fleet sees the health bars of more than 11 other players in the fleet, regardless of how big the fleet grows. So lets compare, old gang of 256 players vs full new fleet of 256 players. Old gang: 256^2 = 65536 notifications per tick New fleet: Fleet commander sees 5 wing commanders: 5 notifications 5 wing commanders each see 1 fleet commander and 5 squad commanders: 30 notifications 250 squad members (inc squad commanders) see 10 squad members and 1 wing commander: 2750 notifications Total: 5+30+2750 = 2785 notifications Note also how the new system scales. Assuming an umlimited number of wings could be formed, and each wing is filled before the next opens: Fleet commander scales as N/51, so O(N) Wing commander sees max 6 players, nomatter how large N grows Squad members see max 11 players, nomatter how large N gets. They also used this new fleet structure to sort out similar scalability issues with the application of gang bonuses. Previously, gang bonuses had to be determined by comparing the skills and modules of all members of the gang against each other, again scaling as O(N^2). In the new system, only the three tiers of commander need to be compared. Only the number of 3 person compares are increased with increasing gang size, which makes it an O(N) problem. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Eriol Hiiragizawa The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:21:00 - [60] Originally by: Matrix Aran Originally by: Dahak2150 Originally by: Quin Tal Quote: SitRep /sitrep Forseral is red Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Dagda Mushroom Mushroom........... GeT oFf CySsOr! /global Lets zerg the crap outta Solsar! (Also an Ex-Planetsider) -------------------- In Soviet HED, Gate camps YOU!
sonofollo Caldari 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:44:00 - [61] Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Taedrin There is no such thing as a bug-free anything in computer science. The only thing they could do to avoid this sort of situation would be for them to hire 30,000 quality assurance testers. And I seriously don't think that CCP has the funds to hire 30,000 professional testers full time. Here is an idea: Do things one at a time, instead of in huge chunks of unmanageable mess. But then they can't do magazine articles and promotional stunts. The fact that after each major patch we have an influx of new players (or re-ignition of interest of old ones) is exactly why CCP is going for this type of "impressions first, get it to work properly later" policy. But that has nothing to do with the people trying to fix things, it has to do with the people that make CCP policies. u sir are spot on Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:45:00 - [62] really the lag is all over guess we will see after tomorrows mini patch otherwise more nodes needed These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:08:00 - [63] [1] the talk of "CCP brings out half finished products" - how many software producers do you know that actually release a finished product onto the market now? I would say in the region of 1% of all software released is actually 100% ready-to-go on release. [2] 32K users? I may pay but I can accept a certain amount of downtime after such a big patch and to be involved in the largest number of people online at the same time is always a pleasure. Orcs and Mages ftl, keep giving me things to blow up and im a happy man. EVE remix
Fortior STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:10:00 - [64] Originally by: sonofollo Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Taedrin There is no such thing as a bug-free anything in computer science. The only thing they could do to avoid this sort of situation would be for them to hire 30,000 quality assurance testers. And I seriously don't think that CCP has the funds to hire 30,000 professional testers full time. Here is an idea: Do things one at a time, instead of in huge chunks of unmanageable mess. But then they can't do magazine articles and promotional stunts. The fact that after each major patch we have an influx of new players (or re-ignition of interest of old ones) is exactly why CCP is going for this type of "impressions first, get it to work properly later" policy. But that has nothing to do with the people trying to fix things, it has to do with the people that make CCP policies. u sir are spot on rofl, why do you think we have Kali/Revelations coming in three parts to begin with? Would you rather have Castor where you couldn't log on for two days (I'm serious, two days pretty much)? That expansion did as much as the whole Kali will I daresay. And that launch was the only time CCP has ever given a global re-imbursement to players for lost days. Splitting up expansions even more just isn't costeffective. There is a certain amount of stuff that needs to be launched at the same time. Let's say they launch Contracts as a separate patch from everything. Contracts is bugged to hell. They fix the bugs, Contracts works smoothly. Then CCP decides to launch Salvaging. Salvaging, being bugged by itself, also breaks Contracts. Now CCP has to fix Contracts again while also fixing Salvaging. The result is that CCP has done twice the amount of bugfixing for Contracts while it could have been much easier if they launched both things at the same time. Apart from this talk and all... Did you guys see at all that the problems, from what I understand from Sharkbait, isn't related to Revelations as much as everyone thinks? And that the problems couldn't have been sorted by testing? Expansions like this are not a 100% publicity thing. It's a necessity. Meh, why do I bother.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:33:00 - [65] For sunday night with a record 32k people on things were rolling fine, comparably, until 2 POSes sieged by the Goons came out of reinforced I'd say. It's getting to a point where you want an ear on the major alliance channels just to know a little in advance when someone is going to pwn a node. -- Thukkers do
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.12.04 13:09:00 - [66] Great wildlands systems which are close to empire Atioth (geminate check point) --> n-rael-konora.. uber lag there like 20-30 secs the dealy for the mods .. seems the south-east regions need additional node resources ---- Long life the warrios of God R0ADKILL ALLIANCE Killboard

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