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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.18 19:54:00 -
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Alt? Hmmm....try again friend. As for the RP issues, yes I see your point as I stated in my post. But Yoda stated several times that he needs more information about the inccident if his is incorrect. Have you given him that information since you "seem" to be so well informed about the situation? Have you tried to get the issue resolved or just move to the forums, which you do all the time, and flame.
Again, your points are well thought out and correct to some degree. But seriously, be mature and adult about it and work to resolve the issue...not continue to troll looking for flame potential.
Unless "Morkt" is RPing a 10 year complaining I stole his lolly pop. 
OoC:
Will you PLEASE stop ruining this thread with how YOU would RP morkt?
Is that possible? Just to let me RP Morkt - i dont need advice on how you would RP him ok? I think, odd as it may seem, I know more about his aims here than you do? ok?
IC: Yoda hasnt even approched those who were shot up. You would have thought that the President of the space in which people are being wnatonly pirated would care to actually be proactive about such a thing?
Nut not Yodaron.. oh no. Despite them publically posting what occured and their grievences he just sits there and says "i know nothing."
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.18 19:56:00 -
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Guess it is time for me to open my mouth again.
There area few things that should be cleared up.
1. Macross has not been 'invited' back into CFS space. It is/was my understanding that we are/will no longer under the threat of death for entering CFS space. Can you see the difference here? One is an invitation: Hey SOL0, we would like Macross to come down here. The other is: Hey SOL0, you will no longer be shot if you are seen down here.
2. Macross has not been given clearence to fulfill contracts in CFS space, we were told that as long as we were not violating CFS rules we would be hunted.
3. Our only official target was Scare Bear Corp, who was dealt with.
4. I am beginning to think that 90% of the people that have responded to this forum can't read very well. Most of the things that Eve Guardian, Morkt, and crew have been complaining about were never said by Yodaron. Let me give you a hint. HINT: Read the whole original post.
5. No sanctioned Macross member has been in CFS space since the day in question. I am not aware of any intentions to return in the present.
Seems to me Morkt is just up to his usual antics of the supreme antagonist. It has been mentioned to me by several people that this is common behavior of Morkt, and getting a lot of neutral parties involved in a completed matter.
Amateur.
You haven't even got a clue what a Canary Trap is, have you?
Thanks for the info though. 
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The Undertaker
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Posted - 2003.11.18 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: The Undertaker on 18/11/2003 20:19:56
So now its Yoda's responsiblity to know everything? Come on...take some inititive yourself then. You cant blame him for not trying if your not going to yourself...
Most people have NO CLUE what it takes to run an alliance that size...
And BTW...I am not even in his alliance. Lol
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.11.18 19:58:00 -
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While the bill is up for consideration and a vote I'll summarize it here. Basically CFS already has in its charter we will remain neutral in outside wars. Thus if two warring parties stumble in here (although we still ask you dont come here to hide) we won't interfere UNLESS you target non-combatant ships.
That being said we never had a policy dealing specifically with "mercenaries" who fulfill contracts against individual people.
As a result the bill up for vote would basically require mercenary corps to meet the same criteria as every other corp. That is they must meet the security level requirements to be in CFS space, not have big bounties, act peacefully and responsibly here and not pirate.
Also specified is any corp (mercenary or otherwise) that does engage in combat here must be in a state of declared war with a corporation or alliance. Thus "hits" on individuals will not be considered legal. If your going to stumble in here and blast each other you need to be at war in order for the provisions of the CFS charter (that being we are neutral) to apply. ANY OTHER MILITARY ACTION will be viewed as pirating.
If Macross or any other corps declares war on another corp thats one thing. They must still meet the overall criteria to enter CFS space.
Also note even though they may be "at war" if they fall below -2.0 or hit the bounty limit established by CFS they will be KOS in CFS space REGARDLESS of whether or not they are at war.
Now this is NOT a CFS policy yet. Its up for a vote and theres alot more to it but this is the rough idea behind the bill I proposed.
Calladen Nimitz 
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SOL0
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Posted - 2003.11.18 19:59:00 -
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. Until that time the CFS is dedicated to keeping it's space open to all lawful players and corporations, including those that have one (1) time crossed the line and have paid for it. The same will not obtain to those that publicly acknowledge they are crossing the line. They are simply KOS.
So humm, the facts :
that a corp gets a contract to kill a CFS Member (or several).
Thay they in fact succeeds with the mission.
Thay they then begin killing other innocent victims.
They they then acknowledge they kill people for Money.
That they then talk highly about the member killing innocent players as a valuable player.
That they then continue do this days after and brag about it in the CFS channel.
That they then pay a very modest fee to the pirated indies/players that does not repay them completely.
I can't see they are a lawful corp.
I can't see that the corp ones (1) crossed the line, but several times.
I can also see they publicly acknowledged they are assassins and killing people for money.
How come they are not KOS then?
Scare Bear is not a member of the CFS alliance.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." |
SOL0
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Posted - 2003.11.18 20:03:00 -
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Guess it is time for me to open my mouth again.
There area few things that should be cleared up.
1. Macross has not been 'invited' back into CFS space. It is/was my understanding that we are/will no longer under the threat of death for entering CFS space. Can you see the difference here? One is an invitation: Hey SOL0, we would like Macross to come down here. The other is: Hey SOL0, you will no longer be shot if you are seen down here.
2. Macross has not been given clearence to fulfill contracts in CFS space, we were told that as long as we were not violating CFS rules we would be hunted.
3. Our only official target was Scare Bear Corp, who was dealt with.
4. I am beginning to think that 90% of the people that have responded to this forum can't read very well. Most of the things that Eve Guardian, Morkt, and crew have been complaining about were never said by Yodaron. Let me give you a hint. HINT: Read the whole original post.
5. No sanctioned Macross member has been in CFS space since the day in question. I am not aware of any intentions to return in the present.
Seems to me Morkt is just up to his usual antics of the supreme antagonist. It has been mentioned to me by several people that this is common behavior of Morkt, and getting a lot of neutral parties involved in a completed matter.
Amateur.
You haven't even got a clue what a Canary Trap is, have you?
Thanks for the info though.
Hardly, everything I posted is already publicly available somewhere. Nor do I recall any numbered documents.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." |
Spawn El'Marr
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Posted - 2003.11.18 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Spawn El'Marr on 18/11/2003 20:04:54
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Scare Bear is not a member of the CFS alliance.
Ok, my misstake.
Lets change that point to :
- that a corp gets a contract to kill a neutral/friendly/peaceful pilot (or several).
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.11.18 20:05:00 -
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OK Morkt we get the picture. You hate Yodaron and think hes incompetent and hypocritical. We all get the message.
/me looks at the dead horse laying on the side of the road.
Why dont you read my summary of the new bill I posted above and tell us what you think of that? You want "change" and accountability well there it is.
Calladen 
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Thunderstorm
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Posted - 2003.11.18 21:01:00 -
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Again Morkt.
You're ignoring everything that has been said and ignoring or calling all things that you can't fit lies. Heh
I'll show you the same respect from now on.
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Laby
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Posted - 2003.11.18 21:20:00 -
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MORE MORE MORE!!!!
(I still have two hours at work)
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Spawn El'Marr
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Posted - 2003.11.18 22:12:00 -
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Could the CFS President or a Senator please answer my above question?
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2003.11.18 22:40:00 -
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Could the CFS President or a Senator please answer my above question?
This action happened before the CFS where aware of the issue. Now it has become an issue we are looking at it.
All questions have been answered already above, Please read. Just because, and this goes for Morkt and co you dont agree or see our side does not mean that we are going to suddenly change our arguments or answers to suit you.
Morky sorry your just going on now and repeating things you have already stated.
We are looking at the issue if you are CFS you can take part in the debate if not go bother some other alliances space.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2003.11.19 05:42:00 -
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Originally posted by Robert Heinlien on the official JGR forums:
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Cans 6,7 and 9 were lost to Dark Goddess at A2 along with my Beast.
There you go S0L0, there you go Mr. President.
You wanted all the facts, you have them. Our corporation was attacked.. we expected Macross to be KOS by the CFS as they are with us already, they apparently are not (invited or not, being removed from KOS essentially means the same thing).
Now that you have removed them from KOS, we are forbidden to act on them in CFS space. I don't blame, since apparently niether S0L0 or Yodaron seem to know what is going on.
Since S0L0 has made it quite clear we were not the targets..
When can we expect full compensation?
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.11.19 05:51:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 19/11/2003 05:53:49
Digital,
Apparently after investigating some information it looks as if Dark Goddess left Macross yesterday. She now shows as being in a newbie corp. I've confirmed that Macross itself is offering a very large bounty on her head.
As it appears all the cases of piracy involving Macross were because of one member (Dark Goddess) and that member was removed from their corporation it is apparent they had a member "go to the dark side" and embrace piracy.
Dark Goddess is already on the KOS list of the CFS. Macross has apparently ejected this pirate member. Depending on the time of your incident you may or may not have a course of action with Macross.
Either way the pirate Dark Goddess is KOS with the CFS and will remain so until the President decides otherwise. Macross which has paid restitution (if there are other claims please feel free to contact them and don't slam me because I don't know about them) and ejected the pirate is not on the CFS KOS list although they have not been invited back to CFS space. In fact I've asked them to stay away for the interim until a bill thats up for discussion in the CFS senate is approved or rejected.
Calladen Nimitz
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2003.11.19 12:19:00 -
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The bounty money is better spent elsewhere.. like here.
Dark Goddess was part of Macross when she attacked, and Macross defended her actions, as a result, they are responsible for her deeds while she was with them.
This is not a member that has gone rouge and booted immediateley.. this is someone who had the backing of her corporation right up until things got very vocal and she was forced to leave.
Had so many people not complained, she would still be with them, and I would be most likley told to "stop whining" because we will "recieve no compensation".
She is KOS, I can understand that, but Macross must take responsibility especially since they were backing her up the whole time.
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
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Spawn El'Marr
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Posted - 2003.11.19 12:34:00 -
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Quote from the CEO of Macross:
"There are not nor will be considerations in removing Dark Goddess from MACC as she is a valuable asset and friend."
That was after Dark Goddess was accused for being a pirate and it was a well known fact she had killed innocent Indies.
It's clear Macross Corp supported the actions of Dark Goddess and I really hope the President and Senate will take a stance against Macross Corp for this.
CFS Senate, you can't really believe the corps in JK-FIX will sit idle and watch Macross corp travel freely inside CFS space. Who knows if they are on a mission to take out some other corp or a CFS member?
Maybe it's you they are after this time? No, if I or someone from my corp see any Macross in local we will not sit idle and wait for them to attack us first before we act, no we claim the right to protect ourselves and our members and allies from assassins and hired killers and therefore will kill them on sight no matter what CFS decides.
And yes, we will pay a small retribution to the pilot for the ship and a clone as compensation so we also can stay in JK-FIX and won't be accused for piracy. Same rules and laws for everyone, right?
Or is it the fact that Solo has been in the CFS channel a long time and knows some of you (or all his good CFS connections he has been bragging about) that makes you reluctant from adding him to the KOS list?
Will be interesting to see how long it takes until Dark Goddess is part of Macc again, when this storm is over...
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2003.11.19 13:08:00 -
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Yawn.... Nothing new to see here move on
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.19 17:37:00 -
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Hardly, everything I posted is already publicly available somewhere. Nor do I recall any numbered documents.
I'll give you (and everyone else) this for free:
Canary Traps come in many different guises. They do not need to have numbers.
They do not need to contain "secret" information.
The key is simply in the arrangement of words and phrases and who you give them to.
I mean what should I say..
I know that the CFS gave you direct quotes from a private conversation I had with their Foreign Minister. It's one of the reasons I dont trust any of the CFS "Senate". They leak like a seive...never tell them anything you don't expect half a dozen pirate corps (and other agencies) to know about within minutes (they have more spies than a gutter-slaver has lice).
It also baffles me why they still claim not to know who hired you - when it was they who told me. (oh yes it was)
And I think even Sol0 can state openly, without breaking his "rules", that I do know exactly who hired them through Enlightened One.
There is thus much about this - such as both Macross, myself and EG knowing that Macross were coming off the KOS list before they were actually removed from it. (And as that is a constant source of punishement to berate poor old EG over their lack of reporting skills it is most ironic - it seems most everybody knew except poor Yodaron when he "announced it here.") - Oops I forgot - It was a CFS Senator who told me that information btw, no idea whre Macross and EG got it from. (And thanks for the "heads up" to 'you know who' at the CFS)
There is much about this that is beneath the surface and whatever obvious goals the ill-informed want to draw I cannot stop them.
For myself - There is nothing more for me to do here .
I thank you all and bid you fond farewell until next we meet. 
(PS - sol0 is my alt, as is Talon)
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2003.11.19 17:55:00 -
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(PS - sol0 is my alt, as is Talon)
LMAO now that was funny 
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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SOL0
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Posted - 2003.11.19 22:49:00 -
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I am no bodies alt.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." |
heavyg
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Posted - 2003.11.20 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: heavyg on 20/11/2003 13:56:46
I am a little confused by all of this. The only people who have rights to complain in this situation are a) those attacked or podded (and thier corps) or b) the cfs membership. Any other parties have the right to an opinion, and that is all as the internal running of CFS is of no bodies bussiness but the CFS's. If you are not a member you have no vote, if you have no vote you can think and say what you like but it will change nothing.
As once said "opinions are like backsides,............ we all have one and they all stink"!
If you dont like the way CFS is ran, then stay out, no one is forcing you to fly there, go hunt/mine elsewhere, i hear CA space is welcoming at this time of year
:)
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.11.20 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 20/11/2003 15:35:58
"No, if I or someone from my corp see any Macross in local we will not sit idle and wait for them to attack us first before we act"
If you'd care to post the name of your corp along with your members I'd appreciate it.
Just to reaffirm our policy. If you attack someone in CFS space who is not KOS with the CFS or has a bounty over 500,000 isk or a security rating below -2.0 or lower (thus someone we view as auto-KOS for being a pirate) your attack itself will be viewed as piracy unless your are defending yourself.
Defending yourself would imply that they shoot first in that instance.
In other words if your going to stomp your feet and throw a tantrum and go looking to start a fight please do it somewhere else. If you'd like to mine in peace and try to enjoy the game your welcome to stay.
Calladen 
Calladen 
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