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Runawaypally
The Stampede.
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:17:00 -
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Guess ill use EvE-Search and try to pull up all of the FW threads and list the ideas in a consolidated list. Obviously troll post ideas wont make it in the list, but it may take some time before I complete the list due to the dozens of threads and several threadnaughts.... oh boy
Corrected spelling, stupid phone... |
Derus Grobb
Iron Oxide Institute
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:29:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Murashu wrote:CCP Diagoras wrote:I had forgotten about the militias/FW.... Can you reference the source of this comment? I'm very curious.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=454440#post454440
Context is important, to pick fault with Diagoras for that is stupid imo.
Also, Hans it looks like good things will happen in the summer. If so, the militias should all buy you beer or something. |
Simyaldee
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.12.09 03:01:00 -
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I honestly was slightly gladdened when I found out that the plexing spawn Mechanic was fixed, but the overall Occupancy system was not. Coming up with a good system will take time and at least this shows that CCP is at least thinking about it.
Honestly there can many many ways to fix Faction Warfare but as many have said it all depends on what the vision of FW is today.
For me(and I think most of you agree with me on this), FW should be focused on the encouragement of small-scale PvP i.e 1-50 man gangs. There have been many many ways discussed on the forums how to do this so I'm not going to state my own.
The One thing I do not want is for Faction Warfare to turn into a smaller-scale null sec. I fight Gallente(and occasionally Minmatar) all the time without the motivation of money. We just want fights, for some reason Null Sec PvP'rs who are for the most part are only part-time PvP'rs(their are rare exceptions) can't understand this. In a nutshell most Null sec people imo think PvP to Earn isk, while most of us in Faction Warfare think Earn ISK to PvP. I don't want to be encouraged to fight Gallente over a plex so I can earn money, I want to be encourage to fight Gallente because if they win it will change the way I have to play (i.e station rights etc) and there will be a very noticeable difference in the appearence of my gameplay(i.e. Station Models, a better UI for the Occupancy System etc.).
Also while were on this topic I want to put forward a variation of Faction Warfare for Dust 514, if clone Capsuleers can fight for the State/Republic/Federation/Empire, why not clone Mercenaries?
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Leisen
Interrobang Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.09 03:14:00 -
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CCP Solomon wrote:The more people who care about a problem, the longer it takes to build consensus on a solution.
Only the other day I was involved in a brainstorming session about the future of Factional Warfare and believe me when I say there are a lot of people here who care.
Keep talking, keep raising your concerns and be a part of the solution.
This sounds reasonable at first, even refreshing to hear that it hasn't been forgotten about. But to expect your customers to be giving you the same requests, the same feedback on a part of the game, for YEARS, is...ridiculous at best. It's an absolute failure on your end. If CCP would have TRIED to fix FW years ago, and failed, it would be fixed by now. You have to jump in and try something sometime, because guess what, you aren't going to get it right the first time. You never have. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.09 03:26:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:CCP Solomon wrote:The more people who care about a problem, the longer it takes to build consensus on a solution.
Only the other day I was involved in a brainstorming session about the future of Factional Warfare and believe me when I say there are a lot of people here who care.
Keep talking, keep raising your concerns and be a part of the solution. Allow me to translate these 'sage' words: "Soon(tm)" This comment, if brought to it's ultimate logical conclusion, means that the more people that care the longer it will take. Ultimately as Y number of people increases the smaller the chance of a consensus and a tangible solution ( X ). However, conversely as Y approaches 0 or, in other words, the less people that care, the solution ( X ) also approaches infinity. So, in the end, my friends, FW will be fixed in approximately never.
Just like hybrids.
That's why I cross trained Minmatar and hell I'm happy I've done it and strongly advice every noob to do so.
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Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
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Posted - 2011.12.09 04:24:00 -
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CCP Solomon wrote:The more people who care about a problem, the longer it takes to build consensus on a solution.
Keep talking, keep raising your concerns and be a part of the solution.
So you're telling me I should be a part of the solution so that it takes longer?
I'm confused by this flawed play on words you have used. |
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries The Black Armada
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Posted - 2011.12.09 05:01:00 -
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CCP Solomon wrote:The more people who care about a problem, the longer it takes to build consensus on a solution.
Only the other day I was involved in a brainstorming session about the future of Factional Warfare and believe me when I say there are a lot of people here who care.
Keep talking, keep raising your concerns and be a part of the solution.
If this is a topic that CCP would like more info on from the community, Might I suggest that we sticky this topic to the top as to encourage more participation and thus producing a consensus among the community faster. (<- ROFL!?) G¥Æ Single G¥Æ Taken G£ö Playing EVE Online
CCP Guard > Where's the shoot button on this thing? CCP Space Cadet > What's this "offline guns" button do? http://tinyurl.com/dxwseds |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.12.09 05:06:00 -
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Runawaypally wrote:Guess ill use EvE-Search and try to pull up all of the FW threads and list the ideas in a consolidated list. Obviously troll post ideas wont make it in the list, but it may take some time before I complete the list due to the dozens of threads and several threadnaughts.... oh boy Corrected spelling, stupid phone... If any one would like to help with the orginizing/spelling corrections/removing double/tripple/umpteenmillionth copies of same idea, it would speed things up considerably. As well as not make your eyes bleed reading it like its making mine trying to orgnize it.
Have you had a chance to check out the main Faction Warfare discussion thread? I have already compiled a list of all the relevant threads containing Faction Warfare feedback, as well as consolidated the most popular fix requests into a "top 10" list, both are stickied at the top of the thread. I've been updating it continuously as new threads emerge, though CCP and the CSM have both urged us as a community to keep our discussion and feedback into a single thread so they can access it efficiently. I would love to hear more ongoing ideas and debate, but lets please keep it to the central location so that we don't frustrate them any further.
Also, The Mittani liked the Top Ten list enough that he personally saw that it was posted up on the internal CCP / CSM forums for discussion, and the CSM has also just concluded a long session talking about FW and wormholes as part of the summit currently underway. Trebor tweeted that there were some fun ideas in store for FW....
I used to be a lot more cynical about Faction Warfare's chances to see improvement, but we've definitely got the discussion going at the topmost levels once again. I'm very hopeful we'll see some meaningful changes if we continue to keep letting CCP and the CSM know how much FW means to us and how much it can improve the game in general. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.12.09 08:27:00 -
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Derus Grobb wrote: Also, Hans it looks like good things will happen in the summer. If so, the militias should all buy you beer or something.
Quafe Zero works fine, and is much easier to send :)
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Ltd SpacePig
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.12.09 09:23:00 -
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I listen to Mintchips interview with Soundwave last night and FW will get some love. Problem is that FW is so broken that it doesn't just need some smaller changes it needs to be rethinked and that takes time. It's about 4 - 5 month ago that CCP turned their ship around and started to listen so there was no time for FW in this patch. I would expect some changes to the summer patch. As the dev said in this thread.. be a part of the solution and come with ideas on what you want. I know there is already tons of threads about it but give them more.
FW like nullsec sov warfare was some cool stuff they put into the game but they didn't really plan on how to support and evolve the feature. This is stuff they need to do now. They should of course done it before they put it into the game but better late then ever hey :) |
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Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.12.09 16:47:00 -
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I better hear some good news and soon, since I been waiting since 2008 for improvements to FW. I'm tired talking about solutions about FW. I'm running on empty with patience with CCP habitual stalling on FW. Frankly is time for CCP to put or shut up. I want to know about upcoming changes and a timeline of implementation. Ideally I want to see a 2012 winter patch. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:28:00 -
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Draco Rosso wrote:I better hear some good news and soon, since I been waiting since 2008 for improvements to FW. I'm tired talking about solutions about FW. I'm running on empty with patience with CCP habitual stalling on FW. Frankly is time for CCP to put or shut up. I want to know about upcoming changes and a timeline of implementation. Ideally I want to see a 2012 winter patch.
You're absolutely right, there isn't all that much more to discuss / debate regarding FW. To be honest, if you read the material from 3 years ago, it pretty much exactly mirrors the list of concerns people are still bringing up today.
I share your frustration, that's why I'm trying to push as hard as I can to make sure that both the developers and the CSM have everything they need and know how much this means to all of us.
I think we have to understand though that this isn't really stalling just on FW, it was stalling on a whole bunch of stuff delayed by the Incarna detour, and now that CCP has restructured and refocused their development teams, they actually have both the resources and the mandate from top leadership to go forth and catch up on the back log. Most of the items the community wants to see happen are already in the official queue of stuff to develop, so CCP has never really said "we're not doing this" (being in the queue means when, not if) only that they lacked resources allocated to it.
If you listen in Soundwave's interview, FW was the first and primary thing he brought up in terms of core gameplay features that are well past due for development, and will be focused on for summer expansion.
So lets all take a deep breath, relax a little and let them do their thing and respond with feedback as we hear more details. Any new ideas are great too at this point since the actual programming for summer hasn't begun yet.
The summit that is underway is where the planning is being done for summer, its in the concept stage currently, once the overall agenda is decided upon the feasiblity of implementation will be assessed, so its just too soon for anyone to make promises on what exactly is coming.
I hope its good news at least that we are NOT being ignored, put off, or fleeced any longer. We just need to be patient the next couple of months and give CCP some time to lock down exactly what will or won't be included. But I would bet my entire wallet and assets that we will see Faction Warfare development this summer, that's how confident I am based on what I'm hearing.
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Xtover
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:32:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote: Yeah it's like hybrids rebalance, after so much discussion and players feedback it appeard that they are ment to not exist on current pvp environement other than gank miners in belts just like before, the best way to improve hybrids is to give minmatar ammo some love.
Keep thinking that, please
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
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Posted - 2011.12.09 17:37:00 -
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How many times has this been that CCP said they are "looking into fixing FW"? Just remove it already since its obvious no one at CCP cares enough about it to create a vision for it. Almost all features has a dev or team that at least has some idea on where they want it to go, this doesn't seem the case for FW. Relying on input from massive amount of different opinions from the player base won't solve the issue or make things easier. Someone from CCP really needs to take charge of FW and choose a direction for it or just remove it. |
Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:09:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Words of Wisdom
To be honest of the reasons I come back into the game was because I reading some of your earlier post about potential development of FW for this patch. I was part of the quiet majority watching the development of this particular patch. When I come back into FW I was stunned just how Grimm the scene is. I honestly believe that FW is on its last legs, and I donGÇÖt think it will survive in its current state until next summer. The Caldari is literally down to one major corp. two competent FCs and few satellite corps. There isnGÇÖt enough momentum in Caldari FW to attract another major corp. or new members. I hate to be doom and gloom but, I been in FW for long time and this really is bottom of the barrel. Personally IGÇÖm raising the white flag on plexing. I donGÇÖt have the energy or the stomach for an extended plexing campaign under the current mechanics. I might just go back into skill training comma or take another break from the game, unless I get some good news by the end of the month. ItGÇÖs not like IGÇÖm lacking for other entertainment options.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:11:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:How many times has this been that CCP said they are "looking into fixing FW"? Just remove it already since its obvious no one at CCP cares enough about it to create a vision for it. Almost all features has a dev or team that at least has some idea on where they want it to go, this doesn't seem the case for FW. Relying on input from massive amount of different opinions from the player base won't solve the issue or make things easier. Someone from CCP really needs to take charge of FW and choose a direction for it or just remove it.
Removing FW is a ridiculous idea. They would instantly lose over a thousand subscriptions at least, and too many players still participate (and continue to participate) irregardless of further development. Many more hold out hope for changes, that if confirmed would never come, might end their subscriptions as well. CCP won't take a revenue hit just to wash their hands and make it "go away" so individuals like yourself don't have to listen to "FW whiners" any more.
Should they remove POS's from the game because its obvious they dont have any concrete plans for a sweeping overhaul?
Lets be reasonable here. The issue regarding FW developed has always been a resource one - same as lot of other backlogged, half-assed features. The resource issue has been radically addressed. We have to temper some of the doomsday "nevergonnahappen" mentality while we give them time to actually use the new resources they have available.
There have been many player suggestions for improvements that developers, including Soundwave himself, have agreed "this is where we'd like it to go". Many of the developers DO have plans in mind, and not just for Faction Warfare, they were just under orders to work on space clothes instead, that's not their fault.
Also, the player pretty much DO agree on what needs to be changed. There are some minor mechanics debates going on, and a few big ones like Alliance participation, but the core issues facing and breaking FW are pretty consistently agreed upon. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
622
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:47:00 -
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Draco Rosso wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Words of Wisdom
To be honest of the reasons I come back into the game was because I reading some of your earlier post about potential development of FW for this patch. I was part of the quiet majority watching the development of this particular patch. When I come back into FW I was stunned just how Grimm the scene is. I honestly believe that FW is on its last legs, and I donGÇÖt think it will survive in its current state until next summer. The Caldari is literally down to one major corp. two competent FCs and few satellite corps. There isnGÇÖt enough momentum in Caldari FW to attract another major corp. or new members. I hate to be doom and gloom but, I been in FW for long time and this really is bottom of the barrel. Personally IGÇÖm raising the white flag on plexing. I donGÇÖt have the energy or the stomach for an extended plexing campaign under the current mechanics. I might just go back into skill training comma or take another break from the game, unless I get some good news by the end of the month. ItGÇÖs not like IGÇÖm lacking for other entertainment options.
Admittedly, this is one of my areas of weakness - knowledge of the inner workings of the Caldari / Gallente warfront. I tend to have tunnel vision with the Amarr / Minmatar conflict, and assume the other two militias operate similarly.
This is awful to hear though, I'm sorry you're having a tough time. It is a bit surprising to me only because things in our warzone have heated up quite a bit. There are (oddly enough) veteran corps that are back out in the plexes again (I'm trying to gain some specific feedback on whether its just boredom or a direct result of the plex changes) and the POCO deployment especially has given us a lot of new engagements. There are CTA's to defend and attack the POCO's owned by both sides of the militias, who are now in competition to control the resources of the local lowsec planets. Also, everyone seems to be enjoying the new BC's as well. Activity is definitely at a peak on this end, most its been in 6 months at least.
I know this is no way "fixes" the problems on the Gallente / Caldari end, I'd love to learn more about the history of that conflict and nature of activity in that region, but in the mean time if things are in crisis mode I might honestly suggest rolling over the restless Caldari / Gallente corps into their Amarr / Minmatar counterparts. Concentrating fights in one zone would mean more fun for everyone, but I know this may break RP / immersion and cause logistical issues for those living and operating in those areas.
It would, however, entertain all of us for a while and maybe send a strong message that the core issues need to be addressed ASAP - and keep everyone from moving elsewhere or quitting the game entirely in the mean time. Its sad things have grown so stale over there, all I can do is offer an invitation to come join the fray in our space if you'd like, and most importantly I appreciate the heads up, since I now realize my own personal bias when it comes to assessing the health of the scene as a whole.
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