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Winning
Midnight's Errand
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:35:05 -
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Stat implants are too expensive 5x as much as the ships I use and are keeping me from engaging in the activities in eve I like. And frankly, I don't understand why players don't get to produce them or why I can't insure them.
Also I'd like to be able to rig my ship's salvage to explode with a rig slot to prevent people from making money or recovering my modules. Bonus points if it would take out their ship or cripple them for an extended period of time.
You wonder why everyone is just mining in high sec? Implants cost too much.
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
257
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:48:55 -
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Use a jump clone. They are virtually free now. |
Winning
Midnight's Errand
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:54:39 -
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:Use a jump clone. They are virtually free now.
Yeah but that doesn't give me the opportunity to retaliate. Combat lasts about 10 seconds in a T2 Covert Ops frig. You get to decloak to hack (stupid mechanic of all the thing you should be able to do cloaked...) they decloak 'get first attack' fire at you with an Astero (or multiple Asteros) and you explode.
They sometimes get the warp scram on your pod and you die. It'd be nice to know that I could fit an 'incinerator' rig to my ship that would insure they got no profit from killing me and maybe take a same size ship out. I don't think it is unreasonable to booby trap ships, disguise them as other ships on scanners, etc.
You'd think a guy from code would appreciate the thought and endorse it.
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Lord LazyGhost
Sons Against Humanity
498
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:59:51 -
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lol if you loosing ur podd in low sec to ships with out smart bommbs ur doing it wrong |
Gorthanator
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2015.08.02 17:00:06 -
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What do implants allow you to do in a T2 covert ops frig that you could not otherwise do? |
Orlacc
913
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Posted - 2015.08.02 17:04:05 -
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Gorthanator wrote:What do implants allow you to do in a T2 covert ops frig that you could not otherwise do?
Hack. Scan better. Other stuff.
However as someone who has explored for years, there are ways to not get popped. Maybe figure that out before whining.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
377
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Posted - 2015.08.02 17:05:48 -
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/48235738/
Lost and identical one 2days ago too.
Why do you need all 5 attribute implants? You really train int/mem and per/will and chras/will or whatever all same time? If you just buy cheap implants and train according to remap you would train faster than your hap-hazard 100mill all attribute pods you realise correct?
Just buy +2s for 2 attributes and train those skills.
Idiot |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
377
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Posted - 2015.08.02 17:06:35 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:lol if you loosing ur podd in low sec to ships with out smart bommbs ur doing it wrong Its in a wormhole idiot.
Learn to typee a name in zkill ignorant |
ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
50
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Posted - 2015.08.02 18:21:28 -
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Quote: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2904
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Posted - 2015.08.02 18:33:27 -
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Winning wrote:Implants cost too much.
Players set the market price. Working as intended.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
119
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Posted - 2015.08.02 18:47:11 -
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Winning wrote: they decloak 'get first attack' fire at you with an Astero
I hunt explorers in a sensor boosted Astero. If you are quick you can always get away (and plenty of my targets do.) An Astero has a targeting delay of about 5 seconds after decloaking, this is plenty of time for you to warp, you just need to react faster. Even if you do get caught, an Astero does not carry bubbles, so you should always be able to get your pod out. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25438
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Posted - 2015.08.02 20:39:25 -
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Winning wrote:Stat implants are too expensive 5x as much as the ships I use and are keeping me from engaging in the activities in eve I like. And frankly, I don't understand why players don't get to produce them or why I can't insure them. No, you're the one who arbitrarily chooses to not engage in certain activities and you're using your choice of implants to justify this choice. There are no implants in the game that inhibit any activity. If you want to engage in some activity, do so. If you don't, then don't try to shift the blame onto something else.
Also, players are the ones who produce them, and insuring them would defeat the purpose they have in the overall economy: to remove ISK from the game. As for your other ideas, they're essentially already in the game, but without the pathetic sour graps aspect.
Quote:You wonder why everyone is just mining in high sec? Implants cost too much. It's funny how sometimes two wrongs actually do make a right. These two claims are both false, and as a result, we have a situation where plenty of people fly around with implants in all kinds of dangerous environments GÇö often sets that are far more costly than simple stat implants.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11091
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Posted - 2015.08.02 20:46:37 -
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Winning wrote: implants cost too much.
No they don't. Outside of null it's your fault they go boom.
Stop getting podded, so you don't have to replace them.
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
355
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Posted - 2015.08.02 20:48:46 -
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Winning wrote:Stat implants are too expensive 5x as much as the ships I use and are keeping me from engaging in the activities in eve I like. And frankly, I don't understand why players don't get to produce them or why I can't insure them.
Also I'd like to be able to rig my ship's salvage to explode with a rig slot to prevent people from making money or recovering my modules. Bonus points if it would take out their ship or cripple them for an extended period of time.
You wonder why everyone is just mining in high sec? Implants cost too much.
You don't need to fit a full set of +5s. If you have a focused skill plan you can just put +5s in the primary and secondary.
As to whether implants are expensive, that is subjective. I lived in null for a year or more and always had a +4s in the primary and secondary attributes, though if I thought there was a high chance of getting podded I would hold off on a particular day. That didn't happen very often if at all. Sometimes I would ship down to a +4 in primary and +3 in secondary though. |
sambo Inkura
Original Sinners The Bastion
0
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:14:28 -
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You lost a pod of +4s? Cry me a river
The lesson here, my dear sweet friends: if you're going to fit your combat ceptor for <2s align, don't be half hearted about it! an MSE + Hardener and I'd have survived that danged Machariel.
Oh well...... |
Daerrol
Krieger Industries Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
213
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:17:02 -
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I just use +3s... it's barely noticable training time difference. My 7 day skills take 3 hours more to train. Good heavens I lost 150 hours of training a -year-
Also tis been said. You only need to use + implants in the skills you are remapped for. I'm doing Perception/Willpower all day so that's all I use. A pair of +3's is like 20m
........ also a full set of +4's is muich cheaper than many of my ships........ |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:35:37 -
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That's quite the Buzzard fit you're using there. Perhaps just a smidgen of tank in future?
Or, you know, any tank.... Prop mod? Rigs? Keeping an eye on D-Scan?
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Borascus
653
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Posted - 2015.08.02 22:16:43 -
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I think the lesson here is become risk averse.
imo, it's bad science.
Kudos for fiting them but you can put scanning / hacking implants in a jump clone with 10mil +3's and be in a much better position.
Use the jump clone book that facilitates a 20hr clone jump and lose out on those +5 implants for 20hrs. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
547
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Posted - 2015.08.02 22:33:35 -
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I think the lesson here is learn to manage risk. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11092
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Posted - 2015.08.02 22:43:23 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:I think the lesson here is learn to manage risk. Or
Get your pod out.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.08.02 23:23:32 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:https://zkillboard.com/kill/48235738/Lost and identical one 2days ago too. Why do you need all 5 attribute implants? You really train int/mem and per/will and chras/will or whatever all same time? If you just buy cheap implants and train according to remap you would train faster than your hap-hazard 100mill all attribute pods you realise correct? Just buy +2s for 2 attributes and train those skills. Idiot The basic reason is that even if someone is int/mem mapped, over the course of a year it's likely that they will train skills that use a different set of attributes. So even if someone starts with implants to match their mapping and train related skills, at some point they'll also benefit from plugging in additional implants.
It doesn't make sense to plug them all in at once, but if you don't lose a pod for a while it's easy to end up with all five attribute slots plugged in.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
380
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Posted - 2015.08.02 23:46:59 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Winning wrote: implants cost too much.
No they don't. Outside of null it's your fault they go boom. Stop getting podded, so you don't have to replace them. While i agree.
I will say being is the yreat USA across tge ocean from ccp's servers sometimes latency is an issue and lag hsppens. Let alone playing on laptop on wifi.
But yeah Transatlantic lag kills pods |
Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6718
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Posted - 2015.08.03 00:04:26 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Winning wrote: implants cost too much.
No they don't. Outside of null it's your fault they go boom. Stop getting podded, so you don't have to replace them. While i agree. I will say being is the yreat USA across tge ocean from ccp's servers sometimes latency is an issue and lag hsppens. Let alone playing on laptop on wifi. But yeah Transatlantic lag kills pods
That's funny, I live in Australia and I don't seem to have that problem.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2015.08.03 00:13:30 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:While i agree.
I will say being is the yreat USA across tge ocean from ccp's servers sometimes latency is an issue and lag hsppens. Let alone playing on laptop on wifi.
But yeah Transatlantic lag kills pods
Americans whinging about lag?
Cry Me A River.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
380
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Posted - 2015.08.03 00:33:54 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Winning wrote: implants cost too much.
No they don't. Outside of null it's your fault they go boom. Stop getting podded, so you don't have to replace them. While i agree. I will say being is the yreat USA across tge ocean from ccp's servers sometimes latency is an issue and lag hsppens. Let alone playing on laptop on wifi. But yeah Transatlantic lag kills pods That's funny, I live in Australia and I don't seem to have that problem. Obviously because the internet doesnt have to go transATLANTIC from londom to Australia buddy.
And sometimes i play naked in my bed on my latop over wifi in addition to transatlantic lag. Dont feel like messing with ethernet cables twisting between my legs so laptop and wifi it is.
But yes if you live in london or germany and stay away from bubbles smartbombs and naked laptop wifi escapades you would never lose your pod ever |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2015.08.03 00:44:11 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Obviously because the internet doesnt have to go transATLANTIC from londom to Australia buddy.
Obviously, you didn't read the article I linked...... Too bad, you would have saved yourself some egg on the face.
Here's a traceroute from moi (in Outback Queensland) to TQ servers...... (note it passes through San Jose, Palo Alto and New York?). FYI: most internet traffic from Australia to Europe passes through the USA. The main undersea cable runs from Oz to New Zealand then up to Honolulu. There is also a cable from Darwin to Singapore.
traceroute to (EVE Tranquility Server) 87.237.38.200 (87.237.38.200), 64 hops max, 72 byte packets
1 nb604n.home (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) 1.372 ms 1.001 ms 0.942 ms
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3 bri-sot-wic-csw1-gi-1-3.tpgi.com.au (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) 47.811 ms 46.629 ms 45.965 ms
4 xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx.static.tpgi.com.au (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) 45.569 ms 46.568 ms 46.927 ms
5 syd-sot-ken-crt4-tg-13-2.tpgi.com.au (202.7.173.173) 59.527 ms 62.865 ms 79.187 ms
6 syd-sot-ken-int1-be-20.tpgi.com.au (203.219.35.67) 65.586 ms 67.832 ms 65.422 ms
7 ix-8-0-1-0.tcore2.sqn-san-jose.as6453.net (66.198.97.33) 280.641 ms 258.977 ms 307.116 ms
8 if-5-2.tcore2.pdi-palo-alto.as6453.net (64.86.21.2) 409.611 ms * 397.248 ms
9 if-2-2.tcore1.pdi-palo-alto.as6453.net (66.198.127.1) 398.570 ms 397.257 ms 394.870 ms
10 if-1-2.tcore1.nyy-new-york.as6453.net (66.198.127.6) 393.698 ms 424.939 ms 395.721 ms
11 if-3-2.tcore1.njy-newark.as6453.net (66.198.70.21) 422.609 ms 433.205 ms 392.261 ms
12 if-7-2.tcore1.l78-london.as6453.net (66.198.70.26) 400.012 ms 409.495 ms 409.510 ms
13 if-17-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (80.231.130.130) 409.720 ms 477.787 ms 400.630 ms
14 if-14-0-0.core4.ldn-london.as6453.net (80.231.76.121) 406.490 ms 397.342 ms 420.632 ms
15 ix-12-0-0-3045.core4.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.67.242) 409.534 ms 409.330 ms 409.464 ms
16 srv250-f.ccp.cc (87.237.37.250) 409.785 ms 425.335 ms 399.803 ms
17 srv200-g.ccp.cc (87.237.38.200) 398.359 ms 428.087 ms 405.467 ms
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12015
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Posted - 2015.08.03 00:58:43 -
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So let me see if I got this right. You want the now defenseless mini-game explorers to become a protected class? ode to the pre-mini-game explorer days, and the rarity of whines, RIP.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25440
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Posted - 2015.08.03 01:03:36 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Obviously, you didn't read the article I linked...... Too bad, you would have saved yourself some egg on the face. EhmGǪ Psst! You're responding to CAM. None of what it says is meant to make any sense.
Also, everyone knows that the telco infrastructure and market in the US is straining to maintain a fourth-world standard.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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GordonO
Caldari Provisions
147
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Posted - 2015.08.03 01:42:03 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Winning wrote: implants cost too much.
No they don't. Outside of null it's your fault they go boom. Stop getting podded, so you don't have to replace them.
Bubbles are used in WH also
... What next ??
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12015
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Posted - 2015.08.03 01:48:05 -
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Tippia wrote:Also, everyone knows that the telco infrastructure and market in the US is straining to maintain a fourth-world standard. qft I spent nearly 10yrs programming robotics manufacturing machines that made most of the broadband telecommunications equipment for the US and for some nations abroad. Likely if you are in the US, you're still using my street equipment installed 10, 12, 15yrs ago, and very limited technology compared to today.
Heck, all I have out here is DSL1 (and not enough for everyone), though the company that put that in finally sold off to a copper manufacturing company that mostly deals with DSL2 systems, so there may be some hope at least locally (not that I plan to live here much longer). Fiberoptics? Aint ever going to happen here, and what small portions of the US got that system, that's about it, expansion halted. And more regulation likely coming to make it even worse. Not even mentioning all the problems trying to get a con over the sea of despair to Europe.
If you noticed, in-game peaks are mostly Europe time, it's not because EVE isn't interesting for US players.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11094
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Posted - 2015.08.03 02:18:24 -
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GordonO wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Winning wrote: implants cost too much.
No they don't. Outside of null it's your fault they go boom. Stop getting podded, so you don't have to replace them. Bubbles are used in WH also point taken, wh space i assumed would have been taken for granted
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Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2015.08.03 02:43:23 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Winning wrote: implants cost too much.
No they don't. Outside of null it's your fault they go boom. Stop getting podded, so you don't have to replace them. While i agree. I will say being is the yreat USA across tge ocean from ccp's servers sometimes latency is an issue and lag hsppens. Let alone playing on laptop on wifi. But yeah Transatlantic lag kills pods
Get a wired connection and use a SSD and your lag problems are over.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
380
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:16:59 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Winning wrote: implants cost too much.
No they don't. Outside of null it's your fault they go boom. Stop getting podded, so you don't have to replace them. While i agree. I will say being is the yreat USA across tge ocean from ccp's servers sometimes latency is an issue and lag hsppens. Let alone playing on laptop on wifi. But yeah Transatlantic lag kills pods Get a wired connection and use a SSD and your lag problems are over. Sometimes i like to play naked in my bed on my laptop.
I dont need no big hardrives or wires messing with me.
I aint complaining about it. I accept when i lose pods in hisec to lag. Jst stating it happens |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
747
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:24:42 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Segraina Skyblazer wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Winning wrote: implants cost too much.
No they don't. Outside of null it's your fault they go boom. Stop getting podded, so you don't have to replace them. While i agree. I will say being is the yreat USA across tge ocean from ccp's servers sometimes latency is an issue and lag hsppens. Let alone playing on laptop on wifi. But yeah Transatlantic lag kills pods Get a wired connection and use a SSD and your lag problems are over. Sometimes i like to play naked in my bed on my laptop. I dont need no big hardrives or wires messing with me. I aint complaining about it. I accept when i lose pods in hisec to lag. Jst stating it happens
Just because you can lose pods in high/lowsec doesn't mean you should.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3146
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:28:49 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:lol if you loosing ur podd in low sec to ships with out smart bommbs ur doing it wrong
Hmmm....looking at the OP's profile....
Quote:Date of Birth: 2006-02-16 01:46
I'm sensing a disturbance in the force...somebody who bought their character on the bazaar.....
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6719
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:34:59 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Winning wrote: implants cost too much.
No they don't. Outside of null it's your fault they go boom. Stop getting podded, so you don't have to replace them. While i agree. I will say being is the yreat USA across tge ocean from ccp's servers sometimes latency is an issue and lag hsppens. Let alone playing on laptop on wifi. But yeah Transatlantic lag kills pods That's funny, I live in Australia and I don't seem to have that problem. Obviously because the internet doesnt have to go transATLANTIC from londom to Australia buddy.
There are no direct links to Europe from Australia. It has to go from London transatlantic to the US, goes through a switch in Seattle, then comes to Australia. Also, I am not your buddy. You cannot afford me.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6719
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:36:21 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Obviously because the internet doesnt have to go transATLANTIC from londom to Australia buddy.
Obviously, you didn't read the article I linked...... Too bad, you would have saved yourself some egg on the face. Here's a traceroute from moi (in Outback Queensland) to TQ servers...... (note it passes through San Jose, Palo Alto and New York?). FYI: most internet traffic from Australia to Europe passes through the USA. The main undersea cable runs from Oz to New Zealand then up to Honolulu. There is also a cable from Darwin to Singapore. traceroute to (EVE Tranquility Server) 87.237.38.200 (87.237.38.200), 64 hops max, 72 byte packets 1 nb604n.home (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) 1.372 ms 1.001 ms 0.942 ms 2 * * * 3 bri-sot-wic-csw1-gi-1-3.tpgi.com.au (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) 47.811 ms 46.629 ms 45.965 ms 4 xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx.static.tpgi.com.au (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) 45.569 ms 46.568 ms 46.927 ms 5 syd-sot-ken-crt4-tg-13-2.tpgi.com.au (202.7.173.173) 59.527 ms 62.865 ms 79.187 ms 6 syd-sot-ken-int1-be-20.tpgi.com.au (203.219.35.67) 65.586 ms 67.832 ms 65.422 ms 7 ix-8-0-1-0.tcore2.sqn-san-jose.as6453.net (66.198.97.33) 280.641 ms 258.977 ms 307.116 ms 8 if-5-2.tcore2.pdi-palo-alto.as6453.net (64.86.21.2) 409.611 ms * 397.248 ms 9 if-2-2.tcore1.pdi-palo-alto.as6453.net (66.198.127.1) 398.570 ms 397.257 ms 394.870 ms 10 if-1-2.tcore1.nyy-new-york.as6453.net (66.198.127.6) 393.698 ms 424.939 ms 395.721 ms 11 if-3-2.tcore1.njy-newark.as6453.net (66.198.70.21) 422.609 ms 433.205 ms 392.261 ms 12 if-7-2.tcore1.l78-london.as6453.net (66.198.70.26) 400.012 ms 409.495 ms 409.510 ms 13 if-17-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (80.231.130.130) 409.720 ms 477.787 ms 400.630 ms 14 if-14-0-0.core4.ldn-london.as6453.net (80.231.76.121) 406.490 ms 397.342 ms 420.632 ms 15 ix-12-0-0-3045.core4.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.67.242) 409.534 ms 409.330 ms 409.464 ms 16 srv250-f.ccp.cc (87.237.37.250) 409.785 ms 425.335 ms 399.803 ms 17 srv200-g.ccp.cc (87.237.38.200) 398.359 ms 428.087 ms 405.467 ms
Traceroute I ran goes through Seattle. Probably just different ISPs, might even be different routes depending on traffic.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:40:37 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Traceroute I ran goes through Seattle. Probably just different ISPs, might even be different routes depending on traffic.
Could be a huge bunch of variables, not least of which is I did that traceroute back when I wrote that story.
In any case, we BOTH route through the USA on the way to the TQ servers in London.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
191
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:42:32 -
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moral lesson of this thread.
OP, when your hull is breached, spam that warp bhuthan like a mad man; and,
CAM is sitll dumb.
Just Add Water
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
380
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:44:18 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Traceroute I ran goes through Seattle. Probably just different ISPs, might even be different routes depending on traffic. Could be a huge bunch of variables, not least of which is I did that traceroute back when I wrote that story. In any case, we BOTH route through the USA on the way to the TQ servers in London. Dont you guys ever lag then? Even a little bit? Just a smignet smallest latency lag at the worst moment ever?
I fimd that hard to believe.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
380
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:45:27 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:moral lesson of this thread.
OP, when your hull is breached, spam that warp bhuthan like a mad man; and,
CAM is sitll dumb. Omg if you life in other countries and internet has to go under frwaking ocean you can lag during that cruxial moment and get podded.
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6719
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:46:02 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Traceroute I ran goes through Seattle. Probably just different ISPs, might even be different routes depending on traffic. Could be a huge bunch of variables, not least of which is I did that traceroute back when I wrote that story. In any case, we BOTH route through the USA on the way to the TQ servers in London. Dont you guys ever lag then? Even a little bit? Just a smignet smallest latency lag at the worst moment ever? I fimd that hard to believe. Very hard
None that's been noticeable. Sometimes when trying to lock and scram something quick on a gate, but never been podded due to lag. But, that's just because I'm already spamming warp in structure, like you're meant to if you intend to get your pod out. Lag or no lag, that pre-loaded warp command works wonders.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6719
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:47:05 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:moral lesson of this thread.
OP, when your hull is breached, spam that warp bhuthan like a mad man; and,
CAM is sitll dumb. Omg if you life in other countries and internet has to go under frwaking ocean you can lag during that cruxial moment and get podded. Y cant people understand
I'd be surprised if anyone can understand the semi-coherent dribble you post sometimes.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:56:21 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Traceroute I ran goes through Seattle. Probably just different ISPs, might even be different routes depending on traffic. Could be a huge bunch of variables, not least of which is I did that traceroute back when I wrote that story. In any case, we BOTH route through the USA on the way to the TQ servers in London. Dont you guys ever lag then? Even a little bit? Just a smignet smallest latency lag at the worst moment ever? I fimd that hard to believe. Very hard
Hold on a second. Please don't put words in my mouth.
I never said I didn't lag. Of course I lag. I lag a lot. That traceroute indicates around 0.4s of lag ON EACH AND EVERY SINGLE COMMAND I GIVE MY SHIP.
Yes, it's annoying. Yes, it can drive me nuts. Yes, it's cost me ships and yes, it's cost me pods (but far fewer than you might think).
No, it doesn't mean my pod auto 'splodes every time I lose a ship. I just have around a second less leeway when making that "stay and fight or try to bail out" decision.
Lag is something Australian gamers on overseas servers have just learned to live with. EVE is actually a lot kinder with lag than many other games. Playing Unreal Tournament (or any FPS) on a US server is, for all intents and purposes, a complete waste of time.
About the only thing the lag truly prevents me from doing is "insta-locking" duties. That's a complete waste of effort for me. I know, I've tried it. I don't bother anymore.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
747
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Posted - 2015.08.03 04:04:20 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Traceroute I ran goes through Seattle. Probably just different ISPs, might even be different routes depending on traffic. Could be a huge bunch of variables, not least of which is I did that traceroute back when I wrote that story. In any case, we BOTH route through the USA on the way to the TQ servers in London. Dont you guys ever lag then? Even a little bit? Just a smignet smallest latency lag at the worst moment ever? I fimd that hard to believe. Very hard
Because you don't know one small bit about the technical details on how data is transmitted through the tubes. How do you define lag in your terms anyways? What is your definition of "lag"? Because if you call "my ****** laptop won't load fast enough when I assplode from ship to pod to get my pod away" is not lag.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
39479
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Posted - 2015.08.03 04:30:01 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Traceroute I ran goes through Seattle. Probably just different ISPs, might even be different routes depending on traffic. Could be a huge bunch of variables, not least of which is I did that traceroute back when I wrote that story. In any case, we BOTH route through the USA on the way to the TQ servers in London. Dont you guys ever lag then? Even a little bit? Just a smignet smallest latency lag at the worst moment ever? I fimd that hard to believe. Very hard I'm East coast'ish Australia and yeah I have lag. Sometimes my internet has lag too.
It leads to the occasional loss, but I'd rather be playing the way Eve is setup and take the occasional loss, than have different servers.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12015
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Posted - 2015.08.03 05:30:59 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: I'm East coast'ish Australia and yeah I have lag. Sometimes my internet has lag too.
It leads to the occasional loss, but I'd rather be playing the way Eve is setup and take the occasional loss, than have different servers.
You mean like the one they made for China? ;) I would have said "right on" but I guess we're way past the point for that to happen with a Pacific/West Coast US server. But at least it's not as bad when I logged in 2003-2004 ...on dial-up (I even sent CCP a support email on the issues) I still get dropped often though, as well as a lot of rubber-banding at gates. In the span of 6 or 8 seconds I relive approaching the gate out of warp three or four times haha, sometimes. I don't have these problems on US or Pacific located servers at all. But if CCP were worried about getting good log-in numbers out of the US with our $$ they would have done for the US what they did for China long ago. Not suggesting it, I know CCP isn't interested.
But no matter the issue, I'm still quite against special treatment to any 'class', I should have just as much opportunity podding mini-game explorers as they currently have opportunity to escape if they can. Just because you may be lagging in your unarmed kitteh ship, doesn't give you any real privilege over the guy in a rocket bomber blowing you out of the system who may just as well be lagging harder than you
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
985
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Posted - 2015.08.03 05:39:43 -
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Winning wrote:You wonder why everyone is just mining in high sec? Implants cost too much. How do you get podded in hisec, again?..
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
747
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Posted - 2015.08.03 08:25:48 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Winning wrote:You wonder why everyone is just mining in high sec? Implants cost too much. How do you get podded in hisec, again?..
Because most highsec carebears literally curl into a fetal position on the floor if they so much as get red boxed by another player.
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
1037
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Posted - 2015.08.03 09:33:36 -
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Winning wrote: Also I'd like to be able to rig my ship's salvage to explode with a rig slot to prevent people from making money or recovering my modules. Bonus points if it would take out their ship or cripple them for an extended period of time.
With all the discussion about podding and lag no one has anything to say about this idea?
Tbh, I actually like it as it would fit perfectly in an universe that is supposed to be harsh and cutthroat, as long as such a rig wouldn-¦t be too cheap and at least moderatly calibration point hungry (should be at least a moderate drawback for the user).....
"If you cannot win, make sure one one else does" - Some wise man
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1322
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Posted - 2015.08.03 09:40:52 -
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even in null i still run cheap implants +3's, ive seen people lose 3bil slave sets to smartbombers, i really do feel for them...
but yeah rig slot 0/10 not everyone carebears to make isk, some rely on loot
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
4219
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Posted - 2015.08.03 10:09:59 -
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Orlacc wrote:Maybe figure that out before whining. Or naming the character 'Winning'.
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12030
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Posted - 2015.08.03 10:20:35 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Orlacc wrote:Maybe figure that out before whining. Or naming the character 'Winning'. Drugs bad, m'kay?
I'm in it for the money
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Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate
22
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Posted - 2015.08.03 10:20:37 -
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If you cant afford to lose the implants then don't fit them.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
747
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Posted - 2015.08.03 10:22:04 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Orlacc wrote:Maybe figure that out before whining. Or naming the character 'Winning'.
Winning sounds the same as whining. Maybe she mispelled her name.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2015.08.03 11:06:01 -
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Nakito Kobara wrote:If you cant afford to lose the implants then don't fit them. word. /thread.
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
95
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Posted - 2015.08.03 11:09:28 -
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Winning wrote: It'd be nice to know that I could fit an 'incinerator' rig to my ship that would insure they got no profit from killing me ...
If you're dying in wormhole system, people are most likely not killing you because they want your loot, but because they live there and defend their home. I know I did when I still had the time to maintain a WH POS.
The loot was a nice extra, but the main objective was to get the intruder out of the house. .
Podding happened for the same reason, and it also solves the problem of a guy whining in local how unfair EVE is.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
362
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Posted - 2015.08.03 11:22:53 -
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You sure are throwing a lot of isk out of the windows on those small adventures of yours.
Also, from what I can see on those killboards... Fit some damn nanofibers atleast. |
Dreadchain
Lavateinn
124
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Posted - 2015.08.03 11:24:08 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Traceroute I ran goes through Seattle. Probably just different ISPs, might even be different routes depending on traffic. Could be a huge bunch of variables, not least of which is I did that traceroute back when I wrote that story. In any case, we BOTH route through the USA on the way to the TQ servers in London. Dont you guys ever lag then? Even a little bit? Just a smignet smallest latency lag at the worst moment ever? I fimd that hard to believe. Very hard
Eve runs on 1hz ticks, .4 seconds of lag hardly impacts gameplay. A bit of difference, sure, but it doesn't matter at all for getting your pod out as you can just mash warp as you're dying. An Astero will have a cloak delay anyway, so you have something like 7 seconds on getting out of there after he uncloaks (cloak+targeting - correct me if I'm wrong, not much of a fan of the cloakies).
The kind of connection blips you get on a terrible 3g connection for example could be a bigger problem. Used to drop connection for a good 10 seconds randomly on my mobile connection while on the road.
www.minerbumping.com
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25442
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Posted - 2015.08.03 11:43:44 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Winning wrote: Also I'd like to be able to rig my ship's salvage to explode with a rig slot to prevent people from making money or recovering my modules. Bonus points if it would take out their ship or cripple them for an extended period of time.
With all the discussion about podding and lag no one has anything to say about this idea? As mentioned, it effectively already exists in the game. It used to be even more effective, but unsurprisingly, it turned out to generate bad gameplay and was toned fown.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
263
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Posted - 2015.08.03 11:45:56 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Winning wrote: Also I'd like to be able to rig my ship's salvage to explode with a rig slot to prevent people from making money or recovering my modules. Bonus points if it would take out their ship or cripple them for an extended period of time.
With all the discussion about podding and lag no one has anything to say about this idea? Tbh, I actually like it as it would fit perfectly in an universe that is supposed to be harsh and cutthroat, as long as such a rig wouldn-¦t be too cheap and at least moderatly calibration point hungry (should be at least a moderate drawback for the user)..... "If you cannot win, make sure no one else does!" - Some wise man
Since PvP is all about efficiency, the only people who would use such a rig would be greedy carebears and highsec gankers. I can imagine ganking fleets blasting the crap out of themselves, the target, and everything else in their proximity. Glorious! |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
12029
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Posted - 2015.08.03 12:54:48 -
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Winning wrote:Stat implants are too expensive 5x as much as the ships I use and are keeping me from engaging in the activities in eve I like. And frankly, I don't understand why players don't get to produce them or why I can't insure them.
Also I'd like to be able to rig my ship's salvage to explode with a rig slot to prevent people from making money or recovering my modules. Bonus points if it would take out their ship or cripple them for an extended period of time.
You wonder why everyone is just mining in high sec? Implants cost too much.
People complain that the "slippery slope" is a fallacy, yet we see it all the time.
CCP removes SP loss on death except for Tech3 ships, the reason is so that people can do things in dangerous places without suffering an oops moment because they did upgrade their clones. Some predicted that "people will just find another excuse".
Well here it is, "mah implants!". The problem wasn't implants or SP loss, the problem is that some people want to have their cake (maximum buffs from implants) and eat it too (safety for those implants).
No matter how much you give some people, they will always want more.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13913
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Posted - 2015.08.03 12:57:35 -
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OP's name is highly ironic.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
469
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Posted - 2015.08.03 18:10:11 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Traceroute I ran goes through Seattle. Probably just different ISPs, might even be different routes depending on traffic. Could be a huge bunch of variables, not least of which is I did that traceroute back when I wrote that story. In any case, we BOTH route through the USA on the way to the TQ servers in London. Dont you guys ever lag then? Even a little bit? Just a smignet smallest latency lag at the worst moment ever? I fimd that hard to believe. Very hard
I lose pods because I fight even though I am in my last bar of structure. It costs ISK not to be a warp spamming wimp the second you get into half shields. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1231
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Posted - 2015.08.03 18:54:37 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:OP's name is highly ironic.
Try that name on youtube.
The only ways to lose a pod is a smartbomb, a bubble, being australian or having a connection that closes your sleip's socket halfway through the gank. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25449
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Posted - 2015.08.03 18:55:52 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:The only ways to lose a pod is a smartbomb, a bubble, being australian or having a connection that closes your sleip's socket halfway through the gank. That was oddly specificGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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