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Maykid Achilles Scope Works 3	Posted - 2015.08.02 20:28:43 - [1] - Quote Hey ladies and gentlemen, So I'm looking for a good Rattlesnake fit for running lvl 4 missions. I've used the domi before and loved it because of sentry drones and asked around and found out the Rattlesnake is the next best option to go with. So, right now my current fit is the following: 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II / Targeting Range Script Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Omnidirectional Tracking Link II / Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II / Optimal Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I 2000x Scourge Cruise Missile 2000x Inferno Cruise Missile 3x Warden 3x Garde 5x Hobgoblins II My question is do you guys think this would be good for lvl 4's, I personally haven't tried it out yet and I'm wondering if that's enough or if there is a different fit that works better for lvl 4's for a Rattlesnake. Thanks in Advance, Maykid
Nosub Boomer Sweaty Plums 17	Posted - 2015.08.02 21:44:42 - [2] - Quote Cannot see a shield booster on that fit anywhere, Unless you are range tanking that is... Rattler is a good L4 ship but it's not ideal for range sniping which is what you seem to have set it up for, There are no missile application rigs & if used at MJD range the target painter will not be completely reliable & you will not hit cruisers for anywhere near full damage, The explosive radius on the unbonused cruises will be as big as my ex-partners arse. Plus you are giving away DPS by not using the full five launchers. I use my Rattler as an in-your-face brawler with Rapid Heavies & Gecko drone, A job at which I feel it was born to do in my humble opinion, It's a monster. That said, it will work with sentries & cruises but for the love of Jebus get some rigor rigs on there & get rid of the DLA in the high slots, Maybe add a shield booster but otherwise the general template is ok. The Rattler is a great ship but it's not bonused for range or application with either drones or missiles.
Motalula Mingetickler Sweaty Plums 18	Posted - 2015.08.02 21:44:42 - [3] - Quote Cannot see a shield booster on that fit anywhere, Unless you are range tanking that is... Rattler is a good L4 ship but it's not ideal for range sniping which is what you seem to have set it up for, There are no missile application rigs & if used at MJD range the target painter will not be completely reliable & you will not hit cruisers for anywhere near full damage, The explosive radius on the unbonused cruises will be as big as my ex-partners arse. Plus you are giving away DPS by not using the full five launchers. I use my Rattler as an in-your-face brawler with Rapid Heavies & Gecko drone, A job at which I feel it was born to do in my humble opinion, It's a monster. That said, it will work with sentries & cruises but for the love of Jebus get some rigor rigs on there & get rid of the DLA in the high slots, Maybe add a shield booster but otherwise the general template is ok. The Rattler is a great ship but it's not bonused for range or application with either drones or missiles.
Maykid Achilles Scope Works 4	Posted - 2015.08.02 22:37:11 - [4] - Quote Do you have a fit for your rattlesnake you use? And what would you drop for a mid for a shield booster?
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 5816	Posted - 2015.08.02 23:11:47 - [5] - Quote I have managed L4s with almost that fit. Swap a DLA for another launcher. Once in mission, keep the enemy at target/drone control range with creative use of MJD. Between gank, range and resistances you won't need a booster. Just be careful about avoiding full-room aggro, take down largest targets first. Angel Thugs and Guristas long range missile spam are the only things you need to fear :) Day 0 Advice for New Players
MT Dinkle INFAMOUS DEVILS 0	Posted - 2015.08.03 14:20:48 - [6] - Quote what is your ingame name so i can show you a fit.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 410	Posted - 2015.08.03 14:43:54 - [7] - Quote MT Dinkle wrote: what is your ingame name so i can show you a fit. Better yet post it here to benefit others. I am with Nosub Boomer here the Rattle is a great brawler for missions and that is the way I fly mine. If you want brawler fits let us know and we will post them, for now since you prefer range I will not clog up the forums. Drop the target painter it will be worthless at the ranges you are going to be working at, I suggest replacing it with the new T2 guidance computer with the precision script to help reduce explosion radius and increase explosion velocity. Drop one DLA for the 5th launcher is good idea. With nothing to help boost regen rate on the shields I suggest using mission specific hardeners instead of Invuls for a little extra shield help. With the stacking penalties when combined with the DDA's I would drop the sentry drone damage augmenter for either a rigor cat to reduce explosion radius or a purger to assist shields. Unless you are carrying them for spares drop the 3rd warden and the 3rd garde and carry armor maint bots or maybe some mediums.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 1506	Posted - 2015.08.03 14:49:37 - [8] - Quote MT Dinkle wrote: what is your ingame name so i can show you a fit. ganknado isn't a rattlesnake tho .......
MT Dinkle INFAMOUS DEVILS 0	Posted - 2015.08.03 15:07:48 - [9] - Quote whats a ganknado?
Orlacc 922	Posted - 2015.08.03 16:39:40 - [10] - Quote They make Arbalest IIs now? Man been away too long. Best fit is the skills to fly it well. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Yolli Sly State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.08.04 08:22:15 - [11] - Quote Rattlesnake (brawler): Low: Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Internal Force Field Array I Middle: LMJD 100 MWD II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large (Medium) Shield Buster II High: Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor I Rigs: 2xLarge Core Defense Field Purger II 1xLarge Core Defense Field Extender II Drone Bay: Gecko 2xCaldari Navy Warden 2xFederation Navy Garde 5xHobgoblin II
Tarojan Tarojan Corporation 169	Posted - 2015.08.04 11:47:11 - [12] - Quote Why are you putting purgers on an active tanking fit? Will gank for food
Pax Deltari R3d Fire 27	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:34:58 - [13] - Quote Jesus christ the cancer fits that have been posted here are ***** trash. Please kill yourselves. MWD and MJD? A god damn damage control for a shield mission ship? Using the Rattlesnake as a mission brawler? Rigor rigs? I haven't been smoking for years but the advice in this thread just gave me stage four cancer. [Rattlesnake, RattleSnake PVE Full Damage ] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Core Defense Field Extender II Gecko x1 Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 That is the fit I use for Null sec Anoms/ Sigs and all wormhole sites up to C4 holes. Works just fine. if you're running missions (God I don't want to know why) You switch out the EM ward and Invuln field for resists that are appropriate to the mission that you're running. Simple stuff. Q: "Oh but Pax there isn't any tank?!" A: Ah yes this is where the glory of the mobile depot comes in. You drop it when you warp in and you change your fit based on what you're up against. Switch to a full rack of Shield power relays for maximum tank. For maximum DPS you go to what I have posted. Only need some tank? Well then switch to 3 Shield power relays and 3 DPS lows. Holy running missions in low sec and you get ganked? Who gives a , switch to a full rack of warp core stabilizers and you're Gucci to just warp the out. Q: "Oh but Pax I don't want to fit the Bling shield extenders" A: Then just use large shield extenders. Wow it's like rocket science. You can also bling your low slot DPS mods if you're a real man and really swimming in it from all the tricks your hoes bring in. Q: "Oh but Pax I hate having to burn to acceleration gates that are far away" A: Then just switch to the Micro Warp Drive in your cargo bay. Tarojan wrote:** Why are you putting purgers on an active tanking fit? Don't ask him for an excuse. Accept that he's a fool and move on. He has a damn shield extender rig on an active tank as well. Christ almighty give me strength.
Paranoid Loyd 6496	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:29:03 - [14] - Quote Lol, so much ranting and you put up a garbage fit as well. Level 4 mission running is not running anoms/sigs. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Pax Deltari R3d Fire 27	Posted - 2015.08.04 19:32:49 - [15] - Quote +1 for productive reply.
Paranoid Loyd 6497	Posted - 2015.08.04 20:08:11 - [16] - Quote Sorry I didn't have time to be productive I wasted it all waiting for my Gecko to fly 80km to the target and my ship is still slow-boating to get in range as well. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Pax Deltari R3d Fire 27	Posted - 2015.08.04 20:15:36 - [17] - Quote 30 seconds or so? Assuming it has to fly 80 kms and not just like 10 from 1 rat to another? Again man +1 for productive reply.
Paranoid Loyd 6497	Posted - 2015.08.04 21:05:09 - [18] - Quote I like how you dish out the obscure criticism and then sarcastically post about how others are doing the same thing. You sir took us down this road, not me. Maybe if you fix your original shiptoast I will be more constructive. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Pax Deltari R3d Fire 27	Posted - 2015.08.04 21:19:47 - [19] - Quote My post is fine. It states an idea to solve the problem the OP posted. You still haven't said anything about what's wrong with my fit other than the fact that you have to wait for drones to fly places.. But with a rattlesnake that's kind of unavoidable. Like seriously dude +1 for productive replies. You're like on a streak today.
Paranoid Loyd 6497	Posted - 2015.08.04 21:25:20 - [20] - Quote Pax Deltari wrote: Jesus christ the cancer fits that have been posted here are ******* trash. Please kill yourselves. I haven't been smoking for years but the advice in this thread just gave me stage four cancer. Accept that he's a fool and move on. If this is fine to you there is no point in discussing anything with you. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!

Pax Deltari R3d Fire 27	Posted - 2015.08.04 21:26:57 - [21] - Quote +1 for productive replies.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3564	Posted - 2015.08.04 22:46:15 - [22] - Quote I like to put in one remote armor rep. You can fix your drones on the fly. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Cu3ball edge of darkness 10	Posted - 2015.08.04 22:58:44 - [23] - Quote I flew a Rattler for awhile until I got into a Golem. they are a lot of fun to fly. Here is the fit I used. [Rattlesnake, Snake] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Gecko x1 Garde II x2 Bouncer II x2 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x2000 Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x2000 Optimal Range Script x1 The booster is only about 75 mil and the afterburner I already had, so you can swap it for a T2 if you want. Total, I think this comes in at 500 mil. May not be the 'best' fit, but worked very well for me. And before I get flamed for only 4 launchers, you dps comes from your drone. Dropping one launcher loses about 85 DPS but gains 20+ k drone control range. I liked the trade off. Swap if it makes you happy. :)
Pax Deltari R3d Fire 27	Posted - 2015.08.04 22:59:22 - [24] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: I like to put in one remote armor rep. You can fix your drones on the fly. Thats a good idea. It helps to have a hull repper in your inventory as well that you could switch to in case you REALLY don't get your drones back in time.
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 4531	Posted - 2015.08.05 01:04:19 - [25] - Quote Just a few items to add... GÇó If you're running Geckos you'll want an omnidirectional tracking link scripted for tracking speed, otherwise they have a ***** of a time with frigates. GÇó If you're running cruise missiles, you'll want two T2 rigors and a T1 flare (the new missile stacking penalties make this combination more effective than three rigors). GÇó If you're running rapid heavies, a third BCU is going to be wasted for the most part since you get almost zero benefit from the increase to rate of fire. Rather, a MGE II will improve damage application as well as extend range (this also frees up your rig slots). And just run Faction ammo; T2 Fury or Precision isn't worth the range hit. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Rita May State War Academy Caldari State 37	Posted - 2015.08.05 04:30:36 - [26] - Quote Cu3ball wrote: ... And before I get flamed for only 4 launchers, you dps comes from your drone. Dropping one launcher loses about 85 DPS but gains 20+ k drone control range. I liked the trade off. Swap if it makes you happy. :) guess i'm doing something wrong, since i'm getting more DPS out of the launchers than the drones [Rattlesnake, Rattling] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Drone Navigation Computer II Republic Fleet Target Painter EM Ward Amplifier II 100MN Afterburner II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Defense Field Extender II Gecko x1 Hornet EC-300 x5 Wasp II x2 Berserker II x2 Inferno Fury Cruise Missile x2500 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x2105 may be the implants, that toon has some 5% missle ones stuck netting around 1.6k DPS, 830 from the cruises.
Arthur Aihaken Chig 4538	Posted - 2015.08.06 23:09:34 - [27] - Quote Rita May wrote: guess i'm doing something wrong, since i'm getting more DPS out of the launchers than the drones Sure, maybe on paper... You won't be applying full missile damage with just a single rigor. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Rita May State War Academy Caldari State 38	Posted - 2015.08.07 07:30:01 - [28] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Rita May wrote: guess i'm doing something wrong, since i'm getting more DPS out of the launchers than the drones Sure, maybe on paper... You won't be applying full missile damage with just a single rigor. Ok, on a missile only ship i would use other rigs/more painters. But on the rattle i use the cruises against the BS & BC NPCs only, so no need for further application and a Gecko deals with the smaller stuff just fine.
MrLahey Viziam Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2015.08.18 09:20:36 - [29] - Quote Pax Deltari wrote: Jesus christ the cancer fits that have been posted here are ***** trash. Please pod yourselves. MWD and MJD? A god damn damage control for a shield mission ship? Using the Rattlesnake as a mission brawler? Rigor rigs? I haven't been smoking for years but the advice in this thread just gave me stage four cancer. [Rattlesnake, RattleSnake PVE Full Damage ] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Gecko x1 Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 That is the fit I use for Null sec Anoms/ Sigs and all wormhole sites up to C4 holes. Works just fine. if you're running missions (God I don't want to know why) You switch out the EM ward and Invuln field for resists that are appropriate to the mission that you're running. Simple stuff. Q: "Oh but Pax there isn't any tank?!" A: Ah yes this is where the glory of the mobile depot comes in. You drop it when you warp in and you change your fit based on what you're up against. Switch to a full rack of Shield power relays for maximum tank. For maximum DPS you go to what I have posted. Only need some tank? Well then switch to 3 Shield power relays and 3 DPS lows. Holy running missions in low sec and you get ganked? Who gives a , switch to a full rack of warp core stabilizers and you're Gucci to just warp the out. Q: "Oh but Pax I don't want to fit the Bling shield extenders" A: Then just use large shield extenders. Wow it's like rocket science. You can also bling your low slot DPS mods if you're a real man and really swimming in it from all the tricks your hoes bring in. Q: "Oh but Pax I hate having to burn to acceleration gates that are far away" A: Then just switch to the Micro Warp Drive in your cargo bay. Tarojan wrote:** Why are you putting purgers on an active tanking fit? Don't ask him for an excuse. Accept that he's a fool and move on. He has a damn shield extender rig on an active tank as well. Christ almighty give me strength. Christ that made me spit out my tea, lol thanks
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 4588	Posted - 2015.08.18 14:38:31 - [30] - Quote Rita May wrote: Ok, on a missile only ship i would use other rigs/more painters. But on the rattle i use the cruises against the BS & BC NPCs only, so no need for further application and a Gecko deals with the smaller stuff just fine. If you're just sticking to larger targets, yeah - a single rigor is probably fine for Fury ammunition. You always have the option of switching to Precision for cruisers as well. Geckos are not bad against destroyers and cruisers, but I find that even with a tracking-speed scripted omni they miss against frigates quite a bit. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Maykid Achilles Scope Works 4	Posted - 2015.08.19 00:45:42 - [31] - Quote Alright how about this kind of fit: Cruise Missile II Cruise Missile II Cruise Missile II Cruise Missile II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Micro Warp Drive Sensor Booster II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pithum-C Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum-C Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum-C Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Core Defense Purger II Large Core Defense Purger II Large Core Defense Purger II Garde x2 Warden x2 Hobgoblin II x5
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 4593	Posted - 2015.08.19 01:39:03 - [32] - Quote Maykid Achilles wrote: Alright how about this kind of fit: Honestly, if you're going strictly drones you're better off with something like a Dominix. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Asinar The Hotdog 10	Posted - 2015.08.19 22:12:41 - [33] - Quote http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70136-Rattlesnake-Kronos-Optimal-L4-Missioner.html My personal fits: Active tank, 1k+ DPS with my skills. Don't have all lv5 yet. [Rattlesnake, Battlesnake] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster 100MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, No Script Target Painter II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warden II x2 Garde II x2 Scourge Cruise Missile x2793 Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile x4323 Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile x5880 Passive tank [Rattlesnake, Prattlesnake II] Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Target Painter II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Drone Link Augmentor II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hornet II x5 Vespa II x5 Warden II x2 Garde II x2 Scourge Cruise Missile x10495 800 DPS. Note: I always fly missions with 2 ships. First fit is quite undertanked for some missions solo. Having another 1k dps battleship right next to you alleviates that.
Fidoro Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.08.21 00:05:11 - [34] - Quote Here is my active tank Rattlesnake. This is way over tanked for LVL 4 missions and it does 1400+ DPS with my skills and implants. It is a little on the pricey side but I got carried away trying to squeeze as much DPS and tank out of it. The jump drive is in case you fall asleep and wake up in structure. The fit works like this: Warp to zero and blap. Ignore the frigs until last and use you Gecko or use Wasp if you are worried about losing Gecko. If you take damage, shield boost. By the time your shield damage is past half way again, you will have regen'd almost all cap so boost again. This ship can do Angel Extravaganza bonus room sitting at zero and no sweat. You can probably do DED 8's with this thing but I haven't tried. It is a beast. [Rattlesnake, G£ª FI ] Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pith C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field True Sansha Cap Recharger Imperial Navy Cap Recharger Large Micro Jump Drive Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Gecko x1 Hornet II x15 Caldari Navy Wasp x2 Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile x4519 Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile x880
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 321	Posted - 2015.08.22 03:43:59 - [35] - Quote Fidoro wrote: Here is my active tank Rattlesnake. This is way over tanked for LVL 4 missions and it does 1400+ DPS with my skills and implants. It is a little on the pricey side but I got carried away trying to squeeze as much DPS and tank out of it. The jump drive is in case you fall asleep and wake up in structure. The fit works like this: Warp to zero and blap. Ignore the frigs until last and use you Gecko or use Wasp if you are worried about losing Gecko. If you take damage, shield boost. By the time your shield damage is past half way again, you will have regen'd almost all cap so boost again. This ship can do Angel Extravaganza bonus room sitting at zero and no sweat. You can probably do DED 8's with this thing but I haven't tried. It is a beast. [Rattlesnake, G£ª FI ] Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pith C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field True Sansha Cap Recharger Imperial Navy Cap Recharger Large Micro Jump Drive Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Gecko x1 Hornet II x15 Caldari Navy Wasp x2 Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile x4519 Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile x880 The missile damage application, half your damage, has atrocious application. This is not a good build.
Fidoro Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.08.22 13:41:56 - [36] - Quote I understand that the explosion radius is higher than ideal and the explosion velocity is slower than ideal but the sheer amount of dps I get from this melts the cruisers and above. I ignore the frigs until last and then use hornets to take them out. To get the perfect application of damage and the amount of DPS with tank, there is not enough slots. Something has to give. I do sacrifice the radius and explosion velocity for high dps and it works for me. The damage application would only effect cruisers and below anyway. The majority of time grinding is on the BS's and HAC's. The high volume DPS overcomes the BS grind. I have tried many different setups to increase damage application and I found this one to be the most efficient. Most of this fit was taken from a couple of guys ganked in Nullsec by the WH corp my main toon is in. The jump drive can be removed to increase damage application since it is for insurance only. I never use it. Can add a TP, omni-directional tracking link, or one of the new missile enhancement mods. The TP will give more benefit than the new missile enhancement mods. This fit is entirely way over tanked for lvl 4 missions in HS so I may try the passive shield regen posted earlier but I am leary of those because there is no burst regen like a booster gives. I do use a lot of implants that assist in damage application also.
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 323	Posted - 2015.08.24 10:34:25 - [37] - Quote The problem isn't that there are too few application modules, it's that there are NO application modules AT ALL. Not a single one. You are actually losing damage on BS and BC ships because of just the speed they are moving and the low explosion velocity. I wouldn't be surprised if you're losing damage on even BCs because of explosion radius. Then again you're not using T2/rage; a substantial increase in not only raw damage but also a decent bit cheaper than faction ammo. As for tank, you can replace all of your cap modules and the amp with a cap booster. 90% of missions will not test your default cap. For that 10% that do, THAT is when you use the cap booster. Suddenly you have 3 rigs and 2 mids available for application. You can now use rage ammo with better stats than what you currently have for cheaper and much higher raw damage. Also replace the MJD for either an AB or a dedspace MWD (as the last upgrade so you are comfortabel with the rest and have the gtfo button) since you are obviously not afraid of spending isk on the fit. Just spend it in the right palce. When it comes to missiles it is very important to be able to cross that threshold where you are one shotting BCs and cruisers as it will make a huge difference in your ammo costs, mission speed, tank ability and ease of volley counting. The passive snake has similar problems in that it needs far too many modules dedicated to tank and not enough to application. That said it has the advantage when someone tries to gank you so theres that. End of the day, with the snake getting a tank bonus on the hull to begin with, a 4 module tank especially slightly blingy is more than what you will ever need. I can run 90% of the missions in a 4 module armor tanked Machariel and it doesn't have a tanking bonus on the hull or the DPS of the snake.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12175	Posted - 2015.08.24 13:10:40 - [38] - Quote Fidoro wrote: I understand that the explosion radius is higher than ideal and the explosion velocity is slower than ideal but the sheer amount of dps I get from this melts the cruisers and above. I ignore the frigs until last and then use hornets to take them out. To get the perfect application of damage and the amount of DPS with tank, there is not enough slots. Something has to give. I do sacrifice the radius and explosion velocity for high dps and it works for me. The damage application would only effect cruisers and below anyway. The majority of time grinding is on the BS's and HAC's. The high volume DPS overcomes the BS grind. I have tried many different setups to increase damage application and I found this one to be the most efficient. Most of this fit was taken from a couple of guys ganked in Nullsec by the WH corp my main toon is in. The jump drive can be removed to increase damage application since it is for insurance only. I never use it. Can add a TP, omni-directional tracking link, or one of the new missile enhancement mods. The TP will give more benefit than the new missile enhancement mods. This fit is entirely way over tanked for lvl 4 missions in HS so I may try the passive shield regen posted earlier but I am leary of those because there is no burst regen like a booster gives. I do use a lot of implants that assist in damage application also. Anize is right, evidenced by the fact that you have to switch out drones to kill frigs. Switching takes time and missions are about time. Lots of people get seduced by "paper DPS" (I sure as hell have), but if you add up all the time you are killing cruisers and frigs, you mostly see that being able to kill BS sized NPCs (though gratifying) isn't actually worth it. On your fit for example, you'd see a noticeable improvement if you used 2 less damage mods (one of each type) and added 2 low slot drone and missile application mods. A gecko actually doesn't need much help to kill frigs and cruisers (especially if you move, forcing them to break orbit all the time). Personally, for missions, I use Rapid Heavies instead of cruise (and my rattlesnake fit is dual propped and active tanked I can mjd or mwd where ever I need to go) and use those heaviers to sweep the field of small ships while my gecko kills Battleships without me haivng to pay any attention lol. Smaller ships are more of a threat to my gecko anyways, so they die. And to be honest, your "Snake is gank bait will all that bling on. Here is mine. [Rattlesnake, Jennasidal Maniac] Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Capacitor Flux Coil II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster 'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Shadow Serpentis 500MN Microwarpdrive Large Micro Jump Drive Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Gecko x1 Gecko x1 Berserker II x2 Hornet EC-300 x5 Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile x4519 Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile x3000 Scourge Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I x2500 Inferno Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I x2500 Cap Stable with prob mods and heavy neut off (with good cap skills, I also use a cap hard wiring in slot 6), with missile hardwirings it does 1400 peak dps (about 1200 sustained dps), it applies damage to cruisers and below very well, dual prop means I can get anywhere quickly, and the mjd is still 'insurance', I included FoF missiles for Guristas missions. The above fit is also 33% or so cheaper than the one you posted. ecm drones are there to deter ganking. Heavy neut is there for the same reason, and also it has a chance of keeping npcs from repping. No drone link because I don't want my 85 million isk gecko getting too far from me lol. As always, use what you like, it's a game. But in PVE, efficiency matters.
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 325	Posted - 2015.08.24 13:29:13 - [39] - Quote I tried the brawling Snake first and it was fun for sure. Using rapid heavies it can get away with less application and watching that Gecko fly around like a HAC murdering stuff is quite fun but in the end the Sniper snake is more my thing (cruise + sentries). Use the Mach for my brawling fix. Different strokes and all that.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12176	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:02:55 - [40] - Quote Anize Oramara wrote: I tried the brawling Snake first and it was fun for sure. Using rapid heavies it can get away with less application and watching that Gecko fly around like a HAC murdering stuff is quite fun but in the end the Sniper snake is more my thing (cruise + sentries). Use the Mach for my brawling fix. Different strokes and all that. I'm lazy, I set my 'Snake to orbit the gecko and use FoF missiles. The "Snake lands in a mission, I pop uot the drone, start the missiles and watch the damn thing auto clean the entire room lol. All the joys of afk mission running, while not actually afk

Tarojan Tarojan Corporation 191	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:03:09 - [41] - Quote Jenn's snake just seems like so much FUN. Will gank for food
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 325	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:08:52 - [42] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: I tried the brawling Snake first and it was fun for sure. Using rapid heavies it can get away with less application and watching that Gecko fly around like a HAC murdering stuff is quite fun but in the end the Sniper snake is more my thing (cruise + sentries). Use the Mach for my brawling fix. Different strokes and all that. I'm lazy, I set my 'Snake to orbit the gecko and use FoF missiles. The "Snake lands in a mission, I pop uot the drone, start the missiles and watch the damn thing auto clean the entire room lol. All the joys of afk mission running, while not actually afk That's pretty silly. Definitely gonna have to try that some time lol.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12177	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:09:21 - [43] - Quote Tarojan wrote: Jenn's snake just seems like so much FUN. There is a "thats what she said" joke in there somewhere
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12177	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:12:31 - [44] - Quote Anize Oramara wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: I tried the brawling Snake first and it was fun for sure. Using rapid heavies it can get away with less application and watching that Gecko fly around like a HAC murdering stuff is quite fun but in the end the Sniper snake is more my thing (cruise + sentries). Use the Mach for my brawling fix. Different strokes and all that. I'm lazy, I set my 'Snake to orbit the gecko and use FoF missiles. The "Snake lands in a mission, I pop uot the drone, start the missiles and watch the damn thing auto clean the entire room lol. All the joys of afk mission running, while not actually afk That's pretty silly. Definitely gonna have to try that some time lol. I actually do it all the time in null doing anomalies, with an After Burner/Heavy FoF missile Gila. Launch the drones, set approach on one of the drones and start FoF missiles. It means the Gila is hugging whatever npc is the current drone target, and since the FoF missiles hit the closest npc, it means that the Gila is concentrating fire on what ever npc it's attacking.
Tarojan Tarojan Corporation 191	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:54:24 - [45] - Quote Its clever. It also seems like it woul be pretty fun. My big objection to a RHML snake was always how slow it was and brawling seemed like it was silly. Honestly why not just use a mach? Yet the total low effort/ease combined with cheap uber coolness... This is what I love about eve. SOMEONE has always figured out the easiest fastest way to do anything. This is good cos the easiest way is also the least tiring, most economical and (usually) the safest. Will gank for food
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1474	Posted - 2015.08.24 23:25:52 - [46] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: I tried the brawling Snake first and it was fun for sure. Using rapid heavies it can get away with less application and watching that Gecko fly around like a HAC murdering stuff is quite fun but in the end the Sniper snake is more my thing (cruise + sentries). Use the Mach for my brawling fix. Different strokes and all that. I'm lazy, I set my 'Snake to orbit the gecko and use FoF missiles. The "Snake lands in a mission, I pop uot the drone, start the missiles and watch the damn thing auto clean the entire room lol. All the joys of afk mission running, while not actually afk That's pretty silly. Definitely gonna have to try that some time lol. I actually do it all the time in null doing anomalies, with an After Burner/Heavy FoF missile Gila. Launch the drones, set approach on one of the drones and start FoF missiles. It means the Gila is hugging whatever npc is the current drone target, and since the FoF missiles hit the closest npc, it means that the Gila is concentrating fire on what ever npc it's attacking. Mind blown! @ChainsawPlankto


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