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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Origin. Black Legion. 2391	Posted - 2015.08.04 13:57:58 - [1] - Quote As discussed here, I have some ideas. You should read them. tldr; - Reduce sov command nodes - Only BS's and larger can entosis - Nerf stealth-bombers and rebalance BC's and above warp speeds around 2.7 AU. - Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content. - Reduce hisec & losec physical size by 80% - Lock safeties to green in hisec. Remove wardecs. To pew you must leave hisec. - Improve ship-replacement insurance. Inspire more pew. If EvE is to finally grow beyond 10+ years of relative stagnation, bold steps must be taken to align new-player aquiring stories with null-centric warfare reality. Aegis SOV isn't the issue, Aegis SOV not going far enough is the issue. tldr; EvE should be the great burger shop it once was, not try to also sell sub-par salads to vegans (or fish-sticks). Make the best burger you can, and get everyone eating that. When media always inspires new customers to walk into the store based on stories about big juicy burgers, stop handing them a f#cking salad. F Would you like to know more?
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1734	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:24:32 - [2] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: - Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content. HAHAHAHAHA Cute troll, 2/10.
Shobon Welp Band of Brothers 98	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:31:47 - [3] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: - Only BS's and larger can entosis "Dear CCP, please fix the game so we can drop our dreads and blap titans on anything threatening our unused region then log off again for another month."
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 364	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:33:42 - [4] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: - Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content. - Reduce hisec & losec physical size by 80% - Lock safeties to green in hisec. Remove wardecs. To pew you must leave hisec. . Obviously he is trolling... or he simply doesn't understand EVE
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Origin. Black Legion. 2393	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:34:27 - [5] - Quote Shobon Welp wrote: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: - Only BS's and larger can entosis "Dear CCP, please fix the game so we can drop our dreads and blap titans on anything threatening our unused region then log off again for another month." CCP wrote: "There won't be troll ceptors.." Would you like to know more?
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Origin. Black Legion. 2393	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:35:57 - [6] - Quote Celthric Kanerian wrote: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: - Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content. - Reduce hisec & losec physical size by 80% - Lock safeties to green in hisec. Remove wardecs. To pew you must leave hisec. . Obviously he is trolling... or he simply doesn't understand EVE Oh ye have little faith. My eyes have opened. I am deadly serious. F Would you like to know more?
Arla Sarain 576	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:50:22 - [7] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: - Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content. Excluding incursions, hisec, losec and WH income is supported and maintained by nullsec crabs. A very large majority of the ISK available for trading comes from NS. HS, LS and WH just redistribute it.
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 779	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:52:40 - [8] - Quote Oh boy, I used to have a lot of respect for Black Legion - used to. It just went out of the window. Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
Nyalnara AdAstra. Beach Club 98	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:54:07 - [9] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: steps must be taken to align new-player aquiring stories with null-centric warfare reality. Good idea! Make sure newb friendly ships can participate! Frigs everywhere! Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: - Only BS's and larger can entosis Wait... Whut? Come on, frigs...? Aaaaw, well, who cares about newbies anyway..? In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2076	Posted - 2015.08.04 14:59:32 - [10] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: CCP wrote: "There won't be troll ceptors.." Just put the mass increase from the t2 link on the t1 link as well and troll ceptor won't be as god damn stupid anymore. They will still be annoying but at least there will be more options with dealing with them beside remote sebo'd arazu + a gang + good ping on the arazu pilot.
FireFrenzy SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart. 549	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:06:07 - [11] - Quote WAIT WHAT? You want to take all the sand out of the sandbox? If i wanted to live in nullsec i wouldnt have LEFT BYRN, CVA OR NAGA... I suspect Baron Vladimir Harkonnen might need to have words with you on NOT BEING AN IDIOT IN PUBLIC...
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Origin. Black Legion. 2396	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:28:50 - [12] - Quote FireFrenzy wrote: WAIT WHAT? You want to take all the sand out of the sandbox? If i wanted to live in nullsec i wouldnt have LEFT BYRN, CVA OR NAGA... I suspect Baron Vladimir Harkonnen might need to have words with you on NOT BEING AN IDIOT IN PUBLIC... Lets put it this way. EvE has been around for what, 10+ years, and total subscriber numbers generally remain stagnant. Sure we get spikes after a BR5 or 6VDT brawl hits gaming media, but we seem unable to convert and retain many new players to long term subscribers. CCP acknowledges this, if only by their focus on the 'new player experience', thinking perhaps that making it easier for new players (and nerfing hisec in a vacuum), they will somehow convert these newbros into long term players... The problem I see however is that EvE is a great burger shop, with a great burger story -- who then sells their new customers salads (or fish sticks) when they walk in the door. New players see or hear of these big battle stories, join EVE as a result, but end up on a PVE hamster wheel in hisec -- where pursuit of ISK is job #1, and risk aversion to ship losses is job #2. We can defend status-quo thinking, supporting a continued fractured player base with gobs of people in hisec (and other areas) that prevent nullsec from ever reaching critical mass of continual media-inspiring stories, or we can consider fundamental change. This will take courage. CCP showed some in revamping null SOV mechanics. They need to go further. F Would you like to know more?
Lu Ziffer Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans 49	Posted - 2015.08.04 15:48:50 - [13] - Quote This thread is so fun to read. Anyone here has watched EVE Fanfest 2014 or 2015 and listened to CCP Seagull ? Yes great so you know we are in a process of changing EVE on bigger scale then before. If you have listend you have an idea were it is going and it will make you smile.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 962	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:25:10 - [14] - Quote Your playstyle isn't the only playstyle, Feyd. First you had preached that everyone who didn't PVP was playing the game wrong. Now you're preaching that they're doing it wrong by not PVPing in sov. What's next? You move into a WH and suddenly we're playing the game wrong if we don't pray to BOB? I like much of what is said on your blog but try to draw the line at nerfing other people's playstyles for the sake of your own. I'm happy you're exciting about null, but the game should not bend to that excitement. -1 There are all our dominion Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 26	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:28:16 - [15] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: - Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content. - Reduce hisec & losec physical size by 80% Given that being a mindless F1 monkey and AFK ratting null resident is the most boring thing you can do in EVE, why would I get behind this?
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:30:22 - [16] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Celthric Kanerian wrote: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: - Nerf hisec, losec and WH income, hard. Nerf hisec, losec and WH content. - Reduce hisec & losec physical size by 80% - Lock safeties to green in hisec. Remove wardecs. To pew you must leave hisec. . Obviously he is trolling... or he simply doesn't understand EVE Oh ye have little faith. My eyes have opened. I am deadly serious. F You could have fooled me in fact you did. No way would I have believed you were being serious.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Origin. Black Legion. 2398	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:46:41 - [17] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: Your playstyle isn't the only playstyle, Feyd. First you had preached that everyone was playing the game wrong by not saving highsec. Now you're preaching that they're doing it wrong by not playing sov. What's next? You move into a WH and suddenly we're playing the game wrong if we don't pray to BOB? I like much of what is said on your blog but try to draw the line at nerfing other people's playstyles for the sake of your own. I'm happy you're exciting about null, but the game should not bend to that excitement. -1 Fully understand what you mean by playstyle, but lets not make this about me; I have already lived in a WH, I've also lived in hisec, losec and yes now nullsec, so its that sum of those experiences that guide where I am coming from now. My assertion remains that for EvE to break the glass ceiling of mediocre total subscriber numbers after 10+ years, CCP needs to better harness the majority of its players into one zone of play, for critical mass of content and stories that hit the media to continually drive new player acquisition. Not only that, but better align said media and marketting to reality of play, instead of handing new players a safe zone and a PVE hamster wheel as 'endgame' play. My opinion is that nullsec is the best place to do this, based on membership spikes observed already coming out of wars in BR5, 6VDT etc. tldr; If you think EvE is just fine and healthy as is, ignore everything I have to say. If you however think EvE is stagnant and should grow, give what I said a read with an open mind. F Would you like to know more?
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 780	Posted - 2015.08.04 17:18:16 - [18] - Quote Oh noes, I didn't pray to BOB yesterday, please don't punish me. Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
Nyalnara AdAstra. Beach Club 99	Posted - 2015.08.04 18:02:27 - [19] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: tldr; If you think EvE is just fine and healthy as is, ignore everything I have to say. If you however think EvE is stagnant and should grow, give what I said a read with an open mind. F TLDR; if you think proposed changes are a menace to the Eve we want to keep alive, say it. And i think what you proposed would hurt what CCP is trying to get here: a fast paced, dynamic sov. BS and bigger are definitely NOT fast passed. In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Vic Jefferson The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 514	Posted - 2015.08.04 19:03:46 - [20] - Quote Now, I get your hate for High Sec. Any intelligent person understands that it literally asphyxiates content in all other places due to the availability, accessibility, and quality of its income generating opportunities with no real risk to offset the reward. This is reasonable entirely. Why lowsec? Sure FW may need a stern looking at, but honestly if it is actually fuelling lowsec alliances doing lowsec things, rather than just being populated and exploited by alts, why is it a bad thing? Honestly Lowsec residents know how to have fun, shoot things, and otherwise generate content. If anything Low (and NPC Null) need a substantial buff such that new players have a place to live that isn't the monotony of High, or Sov. Not everyone wants to be part of huge group - part of the charm of the game is personal interaction, which can be rather hard to get in a huge sov alliance. They should be sanctuaries for people who seek adventure and risk. Why WHs? They are perhaps (on paper) closest to the ideal risk/reward ratio in the game. Again, they have their enthusiasts and people who love the game play unique to those zones. Take a good look at the AT teams. You are going to see lots of lowsec, WH, and NPC nullsec groups there, because those regions have traditionally be the realm of small gang stuff. Maybe things will change as FozzieSov progresses, but why would you want to basically further make bad regions worse, which could be content forests rather than deserts? Why do you think those three places do not have a future in EvE? You offer very few explanations rather than just pontificating a grocery list. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Origin. Black Legion. 2398	Posted - 2015.08.04 20:08:53 - [21] - Quote Vic Jefferson wrote: Now, I get your hate for High Sec. Any intelligent person understands that it literally asphyxiates content in all other places due to the availability, accessibility, and quality of its income generating opportunities with no real risk to offset the reward. This is reasonable entirely. You betcha. Quote: Why lowsec? ... Why WHs? ... You offer very few explanations rather than just pontificating a grocery list. See original article. F Would you like to know more?
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 723	Posted - 2015.08.04 22:47:59 - [22] - Quote WH income was nerfed as I recall. T3 long aqo used to cost a bit more isk. The wh crews seem to charge less for their labors these days. Happy they do...worth noting this cam from people going wh. Price competition and all that. Rest of the income nerfs....what does the game get long term. Its not just the money that keeps peeps in empire. Its not dealing with the crap. Go blob. Or not to go blob. Both have pro's and cons. So with this idea...now you have all the bears in 0.0. tying up your ratting systems. End result...current 0.0 peeps income goes down. You can only get some many people ratting in a system. CA's fill up quick, generally I found more than 5 or 6 in a decent belt system kills returns fast. In short...you are killing everyone's isk making, including yours currently. That and where are you guaranteed returns of moar pvp. Lets have the bears blob up. So now they are in CFC or some other massive power bloc that existed for years. You know...the crews if you and your BL really wanted to have some fun could take on right now. If really hard up for some action....you need to stop posting here and jump on your boards to get leadership pumped for a massive war with the current blobs who offer you all ample targets. Right here, right now.
Vic Jefferson The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 514	Posted - 2015.08.04 23:56:18 - [23] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: See original article. F I saw it, and presumed that sardonic use of SovWarz OnlineGäó would key you into just why an overemphasis on sov is a bad idea. It's hilariously misguided to try and tell people who they are, or how to play, in a sandbox game. There is no way to win the game, no one that is best at it. Perhaps it's easier to rank people at a certain aspect of it, sure. Making it entirely about sov just disenfranchises some of the most loyal players around who have their own ways and definitions of having fun with the game. How many Low/NPC null/WH enthusiasts would be happy if their playstyle was either nerfed into the ground or eliminated from the game? Sov is not for everyone, and when the game ceases to enable and support multiple play styles, it becomes a tawdry, linear, stagnant universe, rather than the somewhat dynamic place it is today. Nullsec may drive the news cycles, but, as has been alluded to in other threads, subscriber or new player spikes aren't really all that impressive in the long run - sure Asakai may have gotten people to try the game, but does it hook them for good? Most people that joined because of a big battle usually end up quite disillusioned or disenfranchised with the game - those fights don't happen that often, and being able to participate meaningfully in one takes a huge time commitment. They get lost on the way because of the way null used to work more or less - fun, memorable experiences weren't had on a regular enough basis to stay with the game. Sure in some cases they burned out on L4s in Hisec, but this too is an issue of content accessibility and good advertising - what they see isn't close to what the average outcome is. The idea is to let people find what it is they want to do in the game, as fast as possible, and find people that are like-minded. Trying to shoehorn everyone into null is just going to make lots of people quit. Another issue with the news cycle is numbers, and the sov null emphasis. There's lots of interesting stories and battles that happen every day in New Eden, but don't get coverage either because of the numbers involved, or not happening in Sov Null. Basically reporting in EvE has been hilariously dumbed down to prattling out dry lists of numbers and ISK lost rather than weaving a rich narrative. The big blocks are so impersonal that it is hard for some to give a toss about the outcome of a fight or a war. Now, the small stuff that happens everyday, the type that keeps lots of us hooked, never sees the surface, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Personal conflicts where individual players or corps have stakes in it, that's what makes it interesting to lots of us - no one cares about stories happening between largely impersonal actors and entities. Sure you can point to large spikes in sub numbers after a big fight, as that is easy to quantify. You just don't have any data on how much good smaller conflicts and interesting happenings do for the game, and how many stable subs they add or support. Its a terrible idea to just throw everyone new at Brave, Pandemic Horde, or Karmafleet - sure they help some people find their way, but....again EvE is not SovWarz Online. Now, let's be honest here. Why would someone want to put time, effort, sweat, into getting into sov when you are just doing to dumpster them with the accumulated years of SP, pilots, and most importantly organizational skills? You are rabidly pushing sov as the only place to go, but then you make it a point to make it an in viable playstyle. Look what you did in Fountain, you just want kills to come to you. Normally I wouldn't invoke someone's corp or alliance against their arguments, but I suspect when you advocate for all this null centric things for the health of the game, that you are speaking with a forked tongue. That being said, the Barleguet year was great for Brave, and I suspect they will find lots of fun in Aunsou. Lowsec needs to remain a viable playstyle, and a viable place for alliances to live, prosper, and generate content, because null is too rough for all but the largest and best organized. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Origin. Black Legion. 2398	Posted - 2015.08.05 04:04:09 - [24] - Quote I actually think islands of losec sprinkled evenly throughout nullsec would be a good idea, as both a staging and fallback area for groups trying to penetrate the mysteries of sov ownership; but the large tracts of hisec and losec land as today as 'end game' play areas should be greatly reduced. Again, if you are ok with things 'as is', and value enhanced sandbox over player growth, my ideas are not for you. I get that. However, I assert that bold moves like unifying the sandbox with focus on a single zone of play (i.e. nullsec) is the best way to get critical-mass of continued thunderdome fights and wars based on population density, that will drive both media and player acquisition. Media stories of big fights (or battle videos like 'This is EvE') undeniably drove spikes in new player acquisition, but we then lose them when they land in hisec and go 'what do naow?', or 'where are the big fights I saw on that video?'...as they enter a life of PVE drudgery and ISK grinding, huddled together in fear of pvp because ship losses are too onerous. We have tried status quo for 10+ years now, and if you look at Eve through the lens of growth it has simply failed to do so. I assert it is because of CCP playing to too many audiences, trying to be all things to all people and lack of a single zone of play focus that is the root cause. It's time to focus on nullsec as that zone, where you can do anything, and drive all new players into there soonest -- with groups like Brave and Chode, and meaningful ISK generation deltas... That, and a better ship-replacement insurance scheme, that could take great lessons from Elite:Dangerous on how to counter risk-aversion at loss in new players. F Would you like to know more?
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1535	Posted - 2015.08.05 04:30:46 - [25] - Quote Who is creating these new null events? Are you suggesting population density alone will lead to greater conflict? And isn't that conclusion at odd with the current reality of greater alliance and coalition cooperation creating superwars followed by prolonged stagnation save boredom and prodding by CCP? Given that this is the pattern created thus far, how will adding more bodies, new or old, solve this?
Vic Jefferson The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 514	Posted - 2015.08.05 07:23:37 - [26] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Media stories of big fights (or battle videos like 'This is EvE') undeniably drove spikes in new player acquisition, but we then lose them when they land in hisec and go 'what do naow?' As much as we both (rightfully so) demonize highsec, you seem to paint null as idyllic, or at least gloss over how toxic it is to many player psychologies. Plainly put, some do not want to have lots of rules, people telling them what they can and cant do, who they can and can't shoot, be glued to a region, or only have the majority of non AFK content be at the whim of FCs and other VIP types. Basically you can push it all you want, and the idea of a critical player density in one type of space to foster a snowball of content generation is good on paper, but not everyone is going to like it, because large scale alliances and corps, and the player friction they generate, is simply not what everyone is looking for in a game. Support the NPC null and Lowsec play styles - give people a place to actually play in the sandbox. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Rivr Luzade Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi 1743	Posted - 2015.08.05 07:39:07 - [27] - Quote Just something to think about: Your loathing of High sec is exactly what keeps people in High sec. Attitudes like yours, which demand change to areas of space they do not like and no change to areas they AFK or die of boredom in and, most importantly, refuse to change their attitude towards the game and changed society and community structures, will continue to keep people out of Null. It is not the game's, least of all the High sec's fault that people do not want to go to Null sec, it is the player's failure and the player's alone. Station Tab :: UI Improvement Collective
Madd Adda 103	Posted - 2015.08.05 08:10:46 - [28] - Quote just one more nerf and it'll be balanced... nerfing/removing content in high sec still hurts the game, as people will still make large amounts of money off of what ever is left no matter how little you think there's left. removing FW, ice mining, etc removes opportunities for players to get into the game's many aspects in a somewhat safe environment while making some money. It's not without risk, and it gives them something to work for. reducing High sec won't make people more sociable no matter what the size of it is. locking safeties and removing wardec from highsec. so what of those that war dec from null? you saying that any WTs in High cannot be shot? that's funny. I'm sure CODE and Goonswarm would find it funny too. Quote: While other zones of play are fully valid when viewed as stand-alone 'playstyles', EvE will never be all that it can be and grow to WoW population proportions i hope you realize WoW and EvE are different in nearly every way, hence the population differences. Trying to compare them in any sense and you get very "apples to oranges" comparisons. Carebear extraordinaire
Ludi Burek Combined Imperial Fleet Darwinism. 305	Posted - 2015.08.05 08:16:09 - [29] - Quote I agree with some of the things but not with the overall proposal. For example replace everything in your post that refers to nullsec with lowsec and we have a deal
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1746	Posted - 2015.08.05 08:26:50 - [30] - Quote I find it amusing that with the existing sandbox options, no guns to anyones head to do anything...you think that magically ripping options away from anything not fitting in your "gameplay style du jour" is somehow going to make people want to do the things which they already can today, but currently chose not to. I don't like sambuca, taking away all other forms of alcohol will not make me drink sambuca because if I wanted to, I could do that today. No amount of you lecturing me about how I should like it will change that either. I'll simply do something else.

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